GOP Voter ID Measure Passes First Capitol Hurdle

By Pat Kessler, WCCO-TV

ST. PAUL, Minn. (WCCO/AP) — A state House committee has given the first stamp of approval to a Republican proposal that would require all Minnesotans to present a photo ID in order to vote.

The House Government Operations and Elections Committee approved the measure on a 9-6 vote with all Republicans in favor and all Democrats opposed.

Backers of the bill say requiring a picture ID would cut down on voter fraud and make the voting process more efficient. Critics say fraud is not a widespread problem in Minnesota elections and that the new requirement would be expensive and hard to administer.

“Those who steal don’t just stand there and say, ‘Hey! Here I am! I’m lying. This is not who I really am!’ You know the issue of the voter ID is to deter and to prove that,” said Rep. Mary Kiffmeyer, R-Big Lake.

WCCO’s Chad Hartman Interviews Ramsey County Elections Manager Joe Mansky Who Opposed Voter ID

The bill has a strong shot of getting through the Republican-controlled Legislature, but Gov. Mark Dayton says he believes it could create more problems than it solves. Dayton stopped short of a veto threat but says he’d prefer an independent commission study problems with election administration and suggest fixes.

The bill also eliminates Minnesota’s long-standing tradition of “vouching” for unregistered voters.

Supporters say it’s unworkable because it assumes everyone is honest.

“The danger of vouching is mainly that it is a faith-based system.  They just trust you at face value that you are being honest that day,” Kiffmeyer said.

Jackie Emmer, the wife of failed-governor candidate Tom Emmer, was at the hearing — an exclamation point to Republican claims of widespread election fraud.

But an animated DFL Secretary of State said fraud is almost non-existant in Minnesota, challenging critics to prove it.

“People say to me, ‘We have to have photo ID because no one trusts our elections system.  And I look around the room and I say, ’80 percent of you voted,'” Ritchie said.

In fact, Minnesota’s 80-percent voter turnout is No. 1 in the nation. No. 2 is Wisconsin.

Or, as the Secretary of State said, we can’t beat ’em in football, but we can beat them in voting.

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  1. T says:

    I can’t believe there is opposition to this. If you are not responsible or mature enough to have a photo ID you should not be voting anyway.

    1. JL says:

      Unless the state wants to pay for those who can’t afford an ID the US Supreme Court has already ruled in another case that this is considered a poll tax and therefore is unconstitutional. How much more you want to add to the state deficit?

      1. Fred says:

        this reply by JL is a lie. the USSC has not ruled in unconstitutional. many states require an ID to vote. it is only logical. a non-drivers license costs like $15 total for 4 years. Also, this MN bill says that MN would pay for those who could not afford.

      2. Chuck says:

        You’re an idiot. I’m sure the state is more than willing to pay for an ID to help protect against fraud. If they can’t afford an ID anyway, they’re probably homeless. Heaven knows many on welfare can certainly afford to get their nails done somehow despite receiving welfare.

    2. Election Worker says:

      Are you serious?? The Republicans willing to RAISE taxes to pay for a voter ID system? Not in this budget cycle—or any other in our lifetimes.

      BTW, homeless ARE allowed to vote without a permanent address. It’s in the state code. Look it up.

  2. Bill says:

    Funny how the democrats are alway dead against improving the integrity of the voting process. Can’t imagine why? Ha ha ha.

    1. JL says:

      It’s unconstitutional unless the state pays for those who can’t afford it, US Supreme Court ruled on this years ago.

      1. Fred says:

        this reply by JL is a total joke and not true. USSC has not ruled in unconstitutional. many states require an ID to vote. it is only logical. a non-drivers license costs like $15 total for 4 years. Also, this MN bill says that MN would pay for those who could not afford.

    2. Ignorance must be bliss says:

      It is also funny how republicans say they want to stop spending money but only want to cut from the already poor and continue to spend. It also seems that they like to “bend” the rights that we have just like they are doing in AZ. I look forward to all the comments on how I am a tree hugger, left wing agenda pushing, Obama loving hippie since you cannot support with facts and just yell liberal when you do not agree with someone.

      1. Jasmin says:

        It’s interesting how you clearly don’t have the facts on Republicans but you demand facts from them. At some point in life you need to stop being ignorant and relying on others for your well being. Everyone needs a helping hand once in a while but welfare tends to produce more welfare recipients every year. We need to stop this madness and demand accountability and the Republicans seem to be the ones doing this at this point in time but you obviously can’t accept that. You must want a free ride in life. That seems like the only logical reason you’d say that. What bending of rights are you referring to anyhow?

      2. Ignorance must be bliss says:

        Jasmin
        To call someone ignorant and then post something like that is just funny. Did you ever stop and think that maybe the reason for more and more people being on welfare is because we are in a decline in job growth and some people have been laid off for more than 2 years? Wait, I forgot you are in the area that thinks these people are lazy and just do not want to find a job. I would like to point out I do not get a free ride as I do work 2 jobs. I would also like to point out the bending of rights like in AZ where they want to make it so they can pull people over for no other reason than to ask for papers to make sure they are legal to be in the country. It sounds fine, but how would you like to be the person who gets pulled over almost every day for no reason. This would be discrimination and you are right, that is not bending the rights of people who are here legally. For someone who states I hide from facts, I see you did not have ANY yourself.

  3. Lisa Gonyea says:

    Rather difficult to get an id when you are not a legal resident (not only of the country, but the state…remember the U of M fiasco)..or dead.

    1. Brian says:

      Aww… If I could deliver sound bites, I’d send you a sad violin solo to accompany your whining.

      There is no hassle in getting a state ID. My fiance, my niece, nephew and a few friends do not drive, nor do they have a driver’s license. But… they all have state ID’s which they’ve never had a hassle receiving nor using!

      Why not just be honest. The DFL opposes this because it will cut into their shady voting tactics of using dead people, fictitious people, and double voting.

      This new system would be ultra efficient, cut down on human errors (especially in recounts), damn near eradicate fraud, and end up saving money each election cycle and in the long run.

      Time to step into the 21st century and respect the “one person, one vote” concept our republic is established upon.

      1. Fred says:

        Exactly. DFL opposes it because the KNOW that faulty votes would not be allowed. 2 major elections have been won by these faulty voting tactics used by the DFL. “vouching” for strangers is the main fraud. voting even those not even citizens is the other. double voting is a third…etc, etc.

      2. Jason says:

        Very good points. I was thinking the same thing in reference to the cost a MN state id and to the cost of recounting. Also I thought it was state law to posess a MN state id at age 18???

      3. Joe says:

        I think the DFL is afraid that those that are without money to pay for people to get an ID won’t have a voice. That is what they are concerned about. If there is a provision to pay for a State ID then what’s the problem? Eliminating Voter Fraud is in the best interest for all parties. Remember Election 2000 for President was allegedly full of Fraud. Remember that was a Republican State with a brother of the then elected president and a Secretary State that was wanting to become Ambassador to Tahiti. Fraud is on both sides of the isle. It’s time we cut down the chances of fraud and if this is one way to lessen the chances than great, let’s do it. No, I’m not a Demorat or a Republicon.

  4. stace says:

    Not everyone with the right to vote has a photo id. If you don’t drive, but want to vote you will need to go through the hastle of getting a state id. And if you don’t drive it will be a hassel.

    1. TP says:

      The argument about the inconvenience it will create for people who don’t drive can be offset by the fact that these same inconvenienced people are the ones that the Democrats take pride in getting rides for them so they can vote. Also, getting the photo id is only a one-time process. I’m sure the Dems can find rides for these people to the local id office.

    2. Sherrie says:

      Too bad. Life is full of hard stuff. It’s a lot of hassle to go to school and get all your paperwork together. You’d think that one would support going through a little trouble to prove they are a US citizen and vote for our next elected official. If it’s too much hassle to get an ID then maybe they shouldn’t be troubled with going through the process of voting. After all, it’s just too much work to get yourself out and vote at the local school anyhow.

  5. Dan says:

    And I quote: “Critics say fraud is not a widespread problem in Minnesota elections and that the new requirement would be expensive and hard to administer” But it IS a problem nonetheless and since it’s supposedly hard and expensive, we shouldn’t do it??? HUH???

  6. Steve says:

    Where are the jobs????Steve

  7. Tom says:

    You promised us JOBS!!!!!

    1. Dave says:

      So in your fantasy world it should have been instantaneous? I see Liberals who have not complained about the MILLIONS of jobs lost under Zero now complaining that in 30 days the jobs have not returned? And we have a Dem president and a Dem governor who will block realiistic GOP measure to create a climate where jobc can be created. Stop drinking the Kool Aid and open your mind.

  8. soapboxgod says:

    So let me see if I get this straight…government bureaucrats concoct a plan to subsidize the transition to digital television vis a’ vis vouchers so people can flippin’ watch TV and yet apparently the idea of providing a subsidy for the sake of maintaining voter integrity just doesn’t enter the mental processes of these bureaucrats? Yeah that sounds about where we’re at.

    Seriously……

  9. Mark says:

    Stace, if someone can walk to the polls, they can walk to get their ID. If they take the bus to the polls, they can take the bus to get their ID. Same hassle for different reason.

  10. David Schaal says:

    Issue: Voter Fraud
    Solution: require photo ID
    Issue: Charging for a Photo ID which is required to vote is a form of Poll Tax
    Solution: Give Photo ID’s to non-drivers who are eligible to vote.
    Issue: This would be expensive.
    Question: Does the amount of voter fraud we have justify the expense of creating photo ids for all voters?
    I think everyone should have a photo id, so I don’t see a problem.

    1. Election Worker says:

      So the veterans (many of whom fought to protect your right to vote) who are now on the street with no permanent address can’t participate in the very process they risked their lives for?

      The level of voter fraud simply does not justify the expense and administrative overhead proposed by this bill.

      Tell me—how do you propose to handle absentee ballots?

      1. M says:

        How is it handled now ?? Just let anyone walk in off the st. from anywhere to vote in any district? If you are in fact an election worker your comment proves there needs to be more control over elections and election workers.

      2. Alan says:

        Exactly, M. We’ll see soon enough how much voter fraud there is after this has been put in place. It will be interesting to see how the election goes despite the Dems trying to block this measure. what a farce. Why wouldn’t they want to uphold a standard that requires to prove who they say they are? Clearly their scared of elections not going their way if they want to block this.

      3. Tom says:

        Tom
        Absentee ballots would be handled the same way. You show your ID to get the ballot at the courthouse, cast your vote and go on with the rest of your day. I do not see what the problem is with showing your ID. You have to do it to drive, drink, get travel documents, cash a check, etc. If you have the ID already there is zero hassle. If you need one, get one. If you can’t afford it the state furnishes it free of charge. The cost of furnishings photo IDs to those who can’t afford it has got to be a lot cheaper than doing a recount.
        And to those who claim voter fraud in the last two recounts, the light of day has yet to see any solid proof of fraud in the past two elections, in spite of all of the claims. If there is proof, show it. I doubt any significant fraud has taken place but I still do feel that showing proof of ID is a GREAT idea

  11. Election Worker says:

    Let’s see… The very same legislature which wants to eliminate background checks/permits for purchasing a firearm nowwants to mandate an ID card while casting a ballot.

    Didn’t everyone already provide proof of residence via photo ID (or being vouched by someone with a valid photo ID) when they registered? All those who insist this will “help” with voting integrity have never worked an election when you are overwhelmed with voters in a hurry to vote and be on their way. Validating an ID for every individual who is already on the official precinct register will only serve to clog up the process, requiring MORE workers, equipment and tax dollars. What do you propose to do counterfit IDs?

    There is a reason why this bill is partisan—Republicans want to disenfranchise voters of lesser means. They’ve previously tried to do this with poll taxes and literacy tests—all of which were ruled Unconstitutional.

    1. Mark from Minnesota Tax Waste says:

      @Election Worker none of your statements hold water

      1. Election Worker says:

        Hey Mark from Minnesota Tax Waste—what are your qualifications for quoting Minnesota Election Law? Yes, you do have to establish proof of residency when registering. Look up MN 201.016.

        And I “seriously” doubt you’ve ever lifted a finger to help out anything concerning public service. All talk, but you can’t do the walk.

    2. Brian says:

      Disenfranchise voters? You must live in an alternate universe.

      Look at all the questionable votes Franken had in 2008. Dayton had some questionable ones as well. We all know that fraudulent voting tactics were used by the DFL, and have been used largely by the Democrats across the country in national elections (remember ACORN’s problems?).

      This will decrease voter disenfranchisement! Can you think of a more disenfranchising event than to have your vote canceled out by a dead person, a fictitious person, or someone voting twice? That is the epitome of disenfranchisement!

      Besides, the people, if any, that this would most likely impact are poor people, namely poor minorities, and young adults. THOSE PEOPLE RARELY VOTE ANYWAY! So if there were an impact, which I do not even fathom that there will be, the impact is very minute.

      Also, this bill has money set aside to make sure anyone that may encounter a problem getting an ID, will be sure to get one. And if a person waits until the last possible second to solve their voting dilemma, then they only have themselves to blame, not a high-tech, efficient new system. It’s their own laziness and procrastination.

      1. Election Worker says:

        Hey Brian, hate to break the news to you but EVERY challenge issued by the Coleman campaign alleging fraud was shot down UNANIMOUSLY by a bi-partisan canvassing board or judicial panel—including the State Supreme Court.

  12. Mark says:

    Election Worker, for discussion sake, if there is “less crime, but still some crime” where someone lives, they should not be afforded police/fire/ambulance service because it simply doesn’t justify the cost to have “someone there, just in case”?

  13. Country Bumkin says:

    Mark: It iss obvious to me that you live near a place where you think it will be easy to get a photo ID. How about those seniors who have let their drivers license go and don’t drive anymore and live in the country maybe 20 miles or more from the county seat? By the way, cutting local government aid to counties and cities is making it harder to get transportation in the country as well.

    1. Brian says:

      If those seniors are going to have a hard time getting a state ID, don’t you think they will have an equally hard time finding a way to the voting station come election time to use that “hard to come by” state ID?

      And if they can find a way to go vote, then they can surely find a way to get a state ID.

  14. Victim Du Jour says:

    Appointed Judges will dismiss the law anyway.

    They should have the law as a ballot measure and have it properly added to the State Constitution so Judges can’t dismiss an ID law.

  15. Lisa Gonyea says:

    Election worker..I also am an election judge…and I don’t see the problem. Many of the poor voters smoke..and if I am correct the price of a pack of cigarettes is over 5 dollars…hopefullly they can see to spend 5 dollars or so for the privilege to vote..not a right, a privilege. I can be revoked.

  16. Fanny Brice says:

    You can’t just stroll into a polling place and vote. You have to be in the correct precinct. Very unlikely someone will go to the trouble to make sure when they vote under their brother-in-law’s name, they’ll make sure to be in the correct place.

    1. Joe says:

      Oh,and you have to give them your signature as well.

  17. Ben says:

    So, If you’re all so sure that there is a fraud problem, then you shouldn’t worry about a waiting for a study that will back you up… except that it won’t. The Bush administration commisioned a 5 year study on voter fraud, and then buried the results because, as every study that has ever looked into this shows, there is absolutely no evidence of voter fraud of any appreciable level. Studies of voter id disenfranchisement show that it is very real. Nationwide, 11% of eligible voters don’t have photo IDs. That’s a lot of disefranchised poor people to fix an imaginary problem. Or a lot of money to make sure that everyone has IDs. Google “Bush voter fraud study” and “voter id studies” if you don’t believe me.

    1. Mark from Minnesota Tax Waste says:

      @BEn PLEASE DON’T EVEN TRY TO INSERT A STATEMENT INTO THIS THAT DOES NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO THE TRUTH.

      1. Election Worker says:

        @Mark… what exactly is your idea of “truth”? What you hear on Fox News?

    2. Martin M says:

      Yeah, poor people who receive a hefty amount in welfare and can still afford to spend money on cigarettes. If you’re poor and can’t afford how to take advantage of the taxpayers money yet, then maybe you don’t have enough intellectual ability to vote.

      1. Election Worker says:

        Oh great… we’re back to demanding literacy tests.

  18. ann says:

    so why does thsi site show black women when writing about the ID’s. Who the voter ID really hurts is the elderly. Great going GOP..

    1. Donna says:

      I have been an election judge many times in Minnesota and I know how easy it is to vote twice there!! I live in Florida now and they require a photo ID here to vote. There’s no registering on the same day as an election either!!
      And as far as hurting older people?? They needed to prove their identity to receive Medicare and SS Benefits!!

  19. ann says:

    GOP hates women and non-whites. Check out their bills they put forth

    1. Victim Du Jour says:

      Voter ID laws have nothing to do with race at all.

      Nerdy white liberals like inciting civil unrest when people don’t vote for their way.

    2. Frank says:

      Oh please, Ann. The Dems have you snowblowed, don’t they? They love that you buy into that rhetoric. That’s what they rely on, “non whites” and women that are angry and feel like they’ve been victimized by society. You’ve bought their ideas because you refuse to consider the fact that Republicans are much more than what you say they are; face it, you’re an angry woman who is unhappy with life and you want someone to blame.

  20. Dave says:

    Election Worker:
    What the Legislature wants to eliminate is the State Permit to Purchase for handguns. Buyers still have to pass a Federal instant background check, so the state permit is redundant, and costly to police in time and money. Money which can be spent better elsewhere.
    Also, I grew up in a state (IN) where ID was required at the polls. It was never a problem there. We did not have cases of voter fraud, but back in the day people were basically more honest.

    1. Election Worker says:

      I was born in Indiana. The Hoosier state ranked 47th out of 50 states for voter turnout in the 2002 election. So… you DO have a problem…

      Voter ID = disenfranchisement

      http://www.state.sc.us/scsec/sta02.htm

      1. Dave says:

        Oh, please. This is a specious argument aking to blaming pothole bumps for miscarriages. First you have to prove there is a link between your ’cause’ and your ‘effect’. This is a typical liberal tactic, to take two disconnected items and link them in such a way to come to a predetermined conclusion.

        All I see from your responses is a fear that voters will have to prove their ID to vote. Instead you would like to see the possibility of illegals voting.

      2. Election Worker says:

        Ok Dave. How are you going to validate said “ID” at the precincts? Just glance at the tiny photo? I look at the employee ID badges at work all the time. Those who have been there awhile don’t come close to resembling their current appearance.

        Perhaps you want electronic verification—sort of like a point-of-sale system? Sure, lets just magically wire up thousands of precincts. I’m an IT guy and know how challenging that would be.

        Out of nearly 3.5 million votes cast in Minnesota in 2008, we can document perhaps 2 dozen valid instances of “fraud”. But hey, let’s spend another $120 million and get that number down to a single dozen.

        You will never eliminate 100% of the errors or fraud, no matter how much you spend. But, as we saw in Florida during the 2000 elections, it’s very easy to wipe out several tens of thousands of voters who just “might” not vote for your candidate.

  21. chfnelson says:

    Ann, I see your comment as hateful. If the GOP hates women, why was Sarah on the ballot? How do you explain all the Black Republicans and women voted into office? Stop drinking the Kool Aid and open your mind.

  22. Ben says:

    Oh, and by the way. The proposed bill, requiring photo ID for voting, would be the most restrictive ID bill in the country. Less than half of all states require some form of ID. Only 4 states currently require photo IDs, but all those allow voters without one to sign a sworn affidavit in order to cast a regular ballot. This new bill has no provision for that. Do we really want to be the guinea pigs to see exactly how much this sort of requirement depresses turnout. I think that everyone who is complaining about voter fraud, should do some research to see if there is really any evidence of this before so callously throwing up barriers that keep their fellow citizens from voting. Otherwise, can we please get back to dealing with REAL problems. Lord knows, there are enough of them.

    1. Mark from Minnesota Tax Waste says:

      @Ben Once again you make these statements without even backing them up. Didn’t you work for ACORN? I thought so

    2. Mark from Minnesota Tax Waste says:

      @Ben This is how your comments are being read, Blah Blah Blah I’m a liberal so I know nothing

  23. Victim Du Jour says:

    Joshua Reed was arrested with over 300 bogus voter Registration cards in the trunk of his car at the Minneapolis/St Paul airport. Franken was able to use over 300 completely missing ballots for his vote totals in Election 2008.

    Joshua Reed is not the only former ACORN worker convicted of a felony for Voter Registration Fraud.

    A Voter ID law will make it harder to double count ballots.

    1. Ben says:

      A Voter ID law would change neither of these issues. It only catches voter fraud by impersonation, which is already easy to determine after the fact, when either the real person shows up to vote, or the state updates the voter registration system, which happens routinely.

      Oh, and it was 133 missing ballots, and Coleman got to use them too. And the number of distributed ballots in Dinkytown matched the number of ballots the machine counted, and it included the 133 missing ones, so it was pretty obvious that they were missing, and not double counted. You don’t need a Voter ID law to check that.

    2. Election Worker says:

      Victim Du Jour… and your accusation was sustained by which Supreme Court finding again? Oh. right… Coleman lost every challenge by a unanimous decision.

      1. Victim Du Jour says:

        Only because the appointed Judges don’t know how to read, and makes up rules on their own like a dictatorship.

      2. Election Worker says:

        Oh jeeze… More snippets of wisdom from the right wingnuts… MN Supreme Court Justices aren’t appointed.

        I’m pretty sure all of them know how to read.

  24. Don says:

    Enough with with the voter fraud thing. There are a lot more pressing problems to be addressed, The budget, being the most important, next i would put Education, and 3rd Iwould be Transportation/Road Improvement. and then there several other areas that needs addressing. Voter Fraud should should be the least of them.,

    1. Jack says:

      Yes, Don, but we’re talking about this article. If you want to address the other problems then go blog somewhere else. Why do you even bother? The fact is, the Democrats are clearly afraid that it will go against their favor to have accountability among the voters. Why else would they object to verifying someone’s ID? It’s just like the illegal immigrant situation. They dont’ want to lose support of the voters that are legal immigrants because their families that are illegal are here. They should have a state ID too to prove they are a US citizen. But the democrats don’t want that, there’s clearly an ulterior motive here.

      1. Election Worker says:

        Hey Jack… How many “illegal immigrants” actually voted in our last election? A guess doesn’t count. And since when does a state ID “prove” US citizenship? I know of many foreign nationals who are legally issued MN drivers licenses.

        I doubt the true objective of this legislation is to prevent hordes of Canadians crossing our borders to vote in Minnesota elections.

      2. Jack says:

        No, dumb dumb. Canadians aren’t the issue. The issue is having people who aren’t registered to vote (they would have to be a US citizen) verify that they indeed, may vote. No one knows how many illegal immigrants voted and that isn’t the issue. The issue is fraud. You obviously need it spelled out for you – the democrats rake in the minority vote which include hispanics, who have family that are not yet citizens of the US. Therefore they would prefer lawmakers that would be easy on their family being here illegally. That was the parallel I was attempting to create. It’s not about them driving, although it’s scary that some have drivers licenses and can’t read English well.

      3. Election Worker says:

        This is absurd. So all that is required to “prove” US citizenship is a driver’s license? Then why aren’t the birther movement people demanding Obama simply show us his Illinois driver’s license to “prove” his citizenship?

        I could vote if I were in the military (I am a vet and former unit voting officer) and held a military ID and an out-of-state driver’s license Guess what???? You don’t even have to be a US citizen to serve in the military. Or hold a state driver license.

  25. dphilips says:

    Voter ID cards will only pose a hardship for the elderly, the poor, and the handicapped, or in other words those who have the most difficult time obtaining them. These groups typically vote Democratic. The Republicans realize this,
    and fully know voter I.D. would give them an edge at the polls.
    Seems the Republicans are the ones complaining about less government, less
    spending. Do you know what implementing voter I.D. would cost?

  26. Bryson Powers says:

    Apply the law fairly not like in the Deep South where only blacks were given obstacles at the polls.

  27. Ben says:

    Uh, Victim Du Jour, the Voter ID law would do NOTHING to change these situations. Joshua Reed didn’t turn in his last batch of registration cards after he left ACORN, but since there is same day registrations in Minnesota, hopefully no eligible voters got turned away because of this. A Voter ID law wouldn’t make it any easier for the people whose registrations didn’t get turned in to be able to vote. And it was 133 missing votes, and Coleman got to use them too. Since they were from Dinkytown, the broke for Frankin, and he netted 46 votes. But since nobody is talking about identifying voters on their actual ballots, a Voter ID law wouldn’t help in telling if the ballots went missing or were double counted. Fortunately, all you need to do is check the number of ballots distributed, which they did, and found that those 133 ballots really were given out to voters. Since the number of ballots distributed and counted by the machine matched, it was pretty obvious that some went missing, and they were forced to use the machine totals. So, neither of these cases looks at like fraud, and neither of them would be changed by a Voter ID law.. So, what’s your point?

  28. Sakura says:

    Dphilips:

    I have a disability, but I am smart enough to know I should have a photo ID and got one LONG ago, since I know you HAVE to have one if you want a job, want to write checks, etc. So, since I don’t drive, I had my mother drive me to the DMV when I turned 18 and got my ID. Hassle, my read-end! You can FIND a way to renew it every 4 years if you have the brains to realise you CAN find a way,. There is just no excuse for NOT having one. Being poor, disabled or whatever else, is not an excuse to not have one. SMART people save money aside for IMPORTANT things like a photo ID, even if they are poor. Stop buying trash you don’t need and get that photo ID! Poor people aren’t THAT stupid are they, to not know they can save for a photo ID and not buy that unnecessary cheeseburger and cook at home or not buy that unneeded candy bar or unnecessary beer, and save that money for the thing that IS necessary.

    I am not going to feel sorry for these groups of people. Why should I? I got one. They can get one too! it is NOT a hassle if you want to have the privilege of voting. ILLEGAL people can NOT get a photo ID. That is a GOOD thing. It keeps them from trying to vote when they are not allowed to. This is a VERY GOOD reason to have this requirement in place. if the card doesn’t match up with the DMV records, they can’t vote, period. See, I’d not only have people show a photo ID, but have them run the card through a scanner that is routed back to the DMV to check to see if it is a valid LEGAL ID. Thus, voter fraud would be cut significantly!

    1. Election Worker says:

      Anyone can get a fake photo ID. Ever see a minor with a ID so they could buy liquor?

      My mother is 84 years old, legally blind and hasn’t held a driver’s license in over 20 years. Why does she need a photo ID to exercise her Constitutional right to vote? She can’t see who’s on it.

      Voting is NOT a privilege—it is a Constitutionally protected right. Cashing a check, boarding an aircraft or driving a motor vehicle are NOT Constitutional rights.

      1. Donna says:

        My mother was 100 years old when she died and NEVER had a driver’s license but had an official Minnesota ID.

  29. lebrok says:

    You need an ID at Mystic Lake to take out a big prize and we always seem to have the proper ID for that. So getting an ID is not a problem if you want to count the real vote and not a large number of EXTRA ones.

    1. Election Worker says:

      Gambling is not a Constitutional right. Voting is.

  30. Brad says:

    If there’s any government handout that I’d approve of, ANY, it would be for free photo ID’s. If that needs to happen to get around it seeming like a poll tax or being too expensive for someone, let’s give them away for free. If it is too much of a hassle to get an ID to vote, then don’t vote if it means that little to you. Let’s even let them lose two or three and get free replacements. Election integrity is extremely important and well worth the cost. I bet it might even cost us less than a bike trail!

  31. dunnski57 says:

    I say that everyone should have a DNA report that confirms that the person who presents it is the person who says it is. This should cost only a couple of hundred of million dollars that the GOP would gladly impose upon the masses of people because their rich supporters could afford to have it assessed.

    Government of the privileged.

  32. bob says:

    Republicians are worried about voter fraud and less worried about getting people jobs. The only reason they are doing this is because they want to intimate hispances from voting. This was one in the presidential election in 1984 in Orange County where ‘poll watchers’ Republician backers made it their case to inimate hispancis by asking if they had a vaild ID to vote.

    This is what the Nazis to prevent people from voting. Republicians = Nazisim!

    1. Dave says:

      Funny. Nazi’s were the National Socialists, and their policies were more in line with the Soviet Union, government control over everything and everyone. That sounds more like the current Democrats.

      1. Election Worker says:

        Hmmm… Nazism was a form of fascism which practiced biological racism and antisemitism. It was definitely a far-right form of politics.

        And you want to force everyone to carry a state-ID…

        “Papers, please?”

      2. Victim Du Jour says:

        Benito Mussolini was leader of the “Italian fascist party” and even coined the word.

        Nazi means “National Socialist German Worker Party” and communists called them right wingers.

        Everyone is a right winger next to Stalin, including American Democrats.

    2. Mark from Minnesota Tax Waste says:

      @Bob I think its time you put on your aluminum hat

      1. Another Bob says:

        I’m sure there’s room under yours.

      2. RNCGoatRonnie says:

        Marky — momma told me to tell you to answer your phone and to also SHUT UP.😉
        You sound today like you did 12 years ago when you were 14 she says. Maybe stop your mouth or she will not invite you over tonight for din-din

    3. Lorence says:

      Intimidate hispanic voters? Even if it was so, what’s wrong with having a valid ID? If someone asked me for my license (and I’m from another country), I wouldn’t care. You’re trying to defend the indefensible. You have no worries if you’re telling the truth. Your critical thinking skills are quite suspect, Bob.

  33. Paula says:

    This isn’t even an issue. Get an ID and get a vote, period.

    1. Election Worker says:

      It is an issue. Ever misplace your license/ID or have it stolen? Sure, you can get a replacement but… what if you lose it the day before the election? A week before the election? You’ve just lost your Constitutional right to vote??? I don’t think so…

  34. helper says:

    Where are the cases of voter fraud? There are not any, this is only the right wing way to disenfranchise the poor and elderly who vote democratic.

    Its up to the republicans to prove otherwise.

    Thank God out man Dayton will veto this!

    1. Ralph says:

      Can’t wait for Dayton to veto this! Next step it will be on the ballot as an amendment and then the voters can slam dunk this. Anybody want to put money on this not passing if its up to the voters?

      1. Dave says:

        Put this on a ballot and it will pass with flying colors. Only the most committed liberals seem to be opposed to this bill.

  35. Gene says:

    The DFL is opposed to this because they know without fraud there would be no Sen.Franken or Gov. Dayton. To those who murder babies, whats a little Election fraud.

  36. Victim Du Jour says:

    Nazis are socialists, the GOP has a much nicer Civil Rights History than Democrats.

    Only party resembling Nazis is the Democrats racist Ku Klux Klan history.

  37. helper says:

    Dude get over it, the south and the KKK lost the civil war.

  38. Victim Du Jour says:

    I don’t care. I still hate blacks and immigrants!

    1. Victim Du Jour says:

      Nerdy white liberals will always incite racial tension and racism when the school system needs their ponzi funding.

      1. Shay says:

        Why do you bother leaving any comments- victim? You obviously are unstable and lose any credibility when you claim to hate others because of their looks or immigration status. You do have the victim mentality down, haven’t you? Hate others based on fear of how your life will change. I’m not for changing America with an influx of immigrants, however the comments of “the victim” here are almost absurd to even respond to.

    2. Election Worker says:

      Even 4th and 5th generation immigrants? Like you?

      1. Shay says:

        Yes, even 4th and 5th generation immigrants like me. This country was founded upon Christian principles and although others can practice their religion they are trying to change the basic principles this country was founded on because of their claim that America should reflect them. there’s nothing wrong with having a nation founded upon a certain religion, like the Muslims do in the mideast. there are very few Christians there and they are harrassed. Why can’t America enjoy the foundations of it’s morality and not be subject to all the other citizens who come here dictating that it should reflect their beliefs? They have moral law and we have our laws based on the morality of Christianity. If we were left to decide for ourselves what is moral, the answer would be further away from any true justice, etc. Don’t get too caught up in the immigrant thing, election worker. Yes, we all understand that we’re all ultimately immigrants down the line. Save the political correctness for someone else.

    3. dphilips says:

      People like you ruin the world!

  39. Winner says:

    Ahem, brother!

    Can’t wait to get back huntin’ and shootin’ Me loves me hillbilly ways!

  40. merks says:

    So democrats say we don’t have a widespread problem. Do I take it that they want to wait for chicago style corruption before we act or do we become proactive before we are compared to chicago?

  41. Jen says:

    You need a photo I.D to get a Job, buy alcohol, get a loan, use a credit card. Then why not a photo I.D to Vote!

    1. Election Worker says:

      Because none of those are Constitutional rights.

      I guess by your reasoning, there are currently NO illegal immigrants working in the USA. Certainly none of them would have a credit card or ever drank a beer.

      1. chfnelson says:

        You are the Queen of specious arguments. I guess that basicallly you are OK with voter fraud.

      2. Election Worker says:

        @ chfnelson
        Whatever minuscule fraud/errors may be evident in running a free election, it will NEVER be completely eliminated by requiring ID cards for everyone or how much money you spend. Perfection is impossible at any price.

        Because of my military background, I’ve lived in countries where I’ve seen significant election fraud. We simply don’t have that here. Minnesota consistently enjoys the highest level of voter participation in the nation and enjoys the highest election integrity. As Jay Weiner’s book is titled, “This is NOT Florida” I highly suggest you read it.

  42. Another Bob says:

    State photo ID costs $18.00.

    How is this not a poll tax?

    1. Dave says:

      Because there are provisions elsewhere in law for low income people to get free ID’s. Basically this dog won’t hunt. The claim of ‘poll tax’ is a red herring to try changing the argument away from the base. The majority of Minnesotans want this law to keep our elections honest.

      1. Election Worker says:

        @ Dave
        At what cost? How are you going to validate all these ID cards? People do move around in this country/state and don’t always keep their ID completely current. Our most common voting error is a voter who moved and tries to vote in their old precinct. Voter ID will fix that?

        Have your GOP put a cost on this bill (the true cost) then let them sell another TAX to the public.

  43. Chad says:

    Ever heard of ACORN? Also… for those that can’t plan… the next big election is in 2012. Start saving your money now and buy the ID you should have anyway. Maybe that is too much responsibility for some people. You should also have a state ID to get public assistance. How much of our money is handed out to non residents? Remember the ATM cards issued to the needy recipients who ended up spending a large amount of it in Chicago? Get a state ID for all the benefits one receives. It can only help voting. Get into a bar too!

  44. Paul Solinger says:

    I’m so glad this is being addressed. I’d much rather see our legislators deal with this voter fraud. Sure there isn’t any evidence of widespread voter fraud, but just in case, we really should pass a voter ID law. It’s far more important then the 6 billion dollar deficit or the 9% unemployment or the out-of-control property taxes or the adequate funding of our public schools. Yep, this is where I want to see them concentrate all of their efforts. This and a new stadium.

  45. Donna says:

    You have to be at least 18 years of age to vote…so just how does a person prove that without an official ID???

  46. Jim says:

    A postage stamp size picture to ID you to vote, Right. The lady in this picture has brown hair you have blond. You can’t vote You’re much heavier than the person in this picture. You can’t vote.

  47. Kevin says:

    Why is there no “white” people in the picture? I guess white people do not vote. Or are they attempting to show that those of color do not have id’s becasue they are all illegal?

  48. mark from mntaxwaste.com says:

    @Election Worker ACORN called they want you back at the office

  49. Tom says:

    We don’t need voter ID. And for all those who say we need it because they believe that there was voter fraud the last 2 elections need too get back too REALITY!

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