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Wisconsin Democrats Could Stay Away For Weeks

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Democrats on the run in Wisconsin avoided state troopers Friday and threatened to stay in hiding for weeks, potentially paralyzing a state government they no longer control.

The party’s stand against balancing the state’s budget by cutting the pay, benefits and collective bargaining rights of public workers is the boldest action yet by Democrats to push back against last fall’s GOP wave.

But the dramatic strategy that’s clogged the Capitol with thousands of protesters clashes with one essential truth: Republicans told everyone unions would be a target, and the GOP has more than enough votes to pass its plans once the Legislature can convene.

The 14 Senate Democrats left the state Thursday, delaying action in that chamber on a sweeping anti-union bill. Sen. Jon Erpenbach, who was among those who fled, said Friday that the group was prepared to be away for weeks, although he would like the standoff to end as soon as possible.

“That really, truly is up to the governor,” he told The Associated Press in an interview Friday at a downtown Chicago hotel. “It’s his responsibility to bring the state together. The state is not unified. It is totally torn part.”

Erpenbach (URP’-ehn-bahk) accused new Republican Gov. Scott Walker of trying to rush the legislation, calling the governor’s style “dictatorial” at times.

“We all didn’t want to do this. I didn’t want to do this,” he added. “The only other option we had to slow things down, was to leave.”

All 14 lawmakers planned to meet somewhere near Chicago to discuss their options, said Erpenbach, who said he had not spoken to any Republican lawmakers since leaving.

Meanwhile, massive protests at the state Capitol entered a fourth day as demonstrators vowed to stay as long as was needed to get the concessions they want.

“Hell no, we won’t go!” they chanted inside the Capitol as they banged on drums, sat cross-legged in the halls and waved signs comparing Walker to former Egyptian leader Hosni Mubarak.

Thousands of teachers have joined the protests by calling in sick, forcing school districts — including the state’s largest, in Milwaukee — to cancel classes.

Outside the Capitol, demonstrators marched in a procession led by Jesse Jackson, who said workers “should be at the table full-strength to solve the problem.”

The governor “should not crush them to solve the problem. The labor-business-government is the balancing wheel. If you crush labor, there is no balance.”

The leader of the state’s largest public employee union said workers are willing to make financial concessions but will not give up their bargaining rights.

Marty Beil, executive director of the Wisconsin State Employees Union, issued a statement saying the protests would continue until Walker sits down with the unions.

In a sign that the commotion might be causing other problems for the governor, he pushed back releasing his two-year budget plan by one week to March 1.

He will still deliver a speech to lawmakers about the budget as planned on Tuesday, but won’t release his actual bill until the following week. A spokesman did not immediately return messages seeking comment.

The governor insists the concessions he is seeking from public workers — including higher health insurance and pension contributions — are necessary to deal with the state’s projected $3.6 billion budget shortfall and to avoid layoffs.

Eliminating their collective bargaining rights, except over wage increases not greater than the Consumer Price Index, is necessary in order to give the state and local governments and schools the flexibility needed to deal with upcoming cuts in state aid, Walker said.

The arguments don’t wash with Democrats who say the fight is really about political power and quashing the unions, longtime supporters of Democrats. Protesters and Democrats are also furious over the speed that Walker’s moving — he publically unveiled the proposal just one week ago.

“This isn’t the Wisconsin we want,” said Mary Bell, president of the 98,000-member statewide teachers’ union. “We want a voice in the process.”

Ironically, Democrats were trying to remove themselves from the process as a way to get what they want.

Republican Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald said he spoke with Democratic Minority Leader Mark Miller by phone late Thursday and asked him to bring his caucus back to Madison, but Miller refused.

By Friday morning, Fitzgerald was tired of waiting. With the governor’s approval, he asked the state patrol on Friday morning to go to Miller’s house in a Madison suburb.

Senate Sergeant-At-Arms Ted Blazel said troopers knocked on Miller’s door and rang his doorbell, but no one answered.

The Wisconsin Constitution prohibits police from arresting state lawmakers while the Legislature is in session, except in cases of felonies, breaches of the peace or treason. Fitzgerald said he’s not looking to have Miller arrested, but he wants to send a signal about the circumstances at the Capitol.

The protests are growing so large that Capitol workers and lawmakers’ staff cannot safely move through the halls, Fitzgerald said, calling the situation “a powder keg.”

“I’m starting to hold Sen. Miller responsible for this,” Fitzgerald said. “He shut down democracy.”

Fitzgerald said Republican support for the bill remains strong. “If anything, what’s going on around this building is galvanizing this caucus,” he said.

Democrats say it’s Republicans who are being undemocratic through their unwillingness to negotiate as the bill rockets through the GOP-controlled Legislature.

“This is wrong!” Minority Leader Peter Barca shouted from the floor of the Assembly as Republicans left after turning off the microphones. “Desperately wrong, and we will not stand for it!”

Democrats left to meet in caucus with no indication when they would return. Barca said he expected a “long, protracted debate” over their strategy.

Republicans hold a 57-38 majority in the Assembly, but they need 58 lawmakers present to take up the bill. That puts the lone independent, Rep. Bob Ziegelbauer, in a powerful position.

Ziegelbauer said he would show up, but hoped to convince Republican leaders to first make changes to the collective bargaining parts of the bill.

Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald said the chamber would vote on the bill Friday, but his spokesman said no decision had been made on whether they would attempt to proceed without Democrats.

The protests have attracted as many as 25,000 teachers, grade school children, college students and other workers over four days. The demonstrations have been largely peaceful, with only nine people cited for minor acts of civil disobedience.

Rallies in support of the Wisconsin protests were popping up around the country, including in Minnesota and New York.

“Wisconsin’s newly elected governor is waging one of the most vicious attacks on working people our nation has seen in generations,” said Danny Donohue, president of the Civil Service Employees Association that represents most New York state workers.

Democratic strategist Chris Lehane called the walkout in Madison the boldest action Democrats have taken since midterm elections swept Republican to power in statehouses across the country.

Walker “has been so strident that the way he’s engaged . has effectively given the Democrats the high ground in terms of how they’re responding,” Lehane said.

“What Wisconsin is going through isn’t all that different from other states, but the way it’s being handled is,” Lehane said.

President Barack Obama has also weighed in, saying in an interview with Milwaukee television station WTMJ that Walker’s bill to “an assault on unions.”

Under Walker’s plan, state and local public employees could no longer collectively bargain over any issue except wage increases that are no higher than the Consumer Price Index. It would also make workers pay half the costs of their pensions and at least 12.6 percent of their health care premiums. State employees’ costs would go up by an average of 8 percent.

The changes would save the state $30 million by June 30 and $300 million over the next two years to address a $3.6 billion budget shortfall.

Unions could still represent workers, but they could not force employees to pay dues and would have to hold annual votes to stay organized. Local police, firefighters and state troopers would retain their collective bargaining rights. But despite the exemption, many of them have shown up at the rallies in support.

The proposal marks a dramatic shift for Wisconsin, which passed a comprehensive collective bargaining law in 1959 and was the birthplace of the national union representing all non-federal public employees.

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A leading Wisconsin lawmaker who’s staying away from his home state out of protest says there’s no fixed date to return.  Sen. Jon Erpenbach is in Chicago right now. He says all 14 Senate Democrats will meet somewhere in Illinois Friday but will not say exactly where or when.

WCCO’s Chad Hartman Interviews Sen. Jon Erpenbach

When asked by WCCO’s Chad Hartman whether Democrats would return if the Governor agreed to a meeting, Erpenbach said “I don’t know.”

Erpenbach and fellow Democratic senators left Wisconsin on Thursday to delay the near-certain passage of a bill backed by Republicans and GOP Gov. Scott Walker.

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Comments

One Comment

  1. John says:

    Good for Walker. Hopefully he keeps his backbone. Funny hearing about the Senators leaving the State.

    1. Sam Thompson says:

      Go gov Walker! If Minnesota only had a Governor like you… tear

      1. LLP says:

        We be worse off then we are now The Greedy Old Party rises again. Take from the poor and hard working reward the rich

      2. PAUL says:

        unfoutanatly you can have walker WE DON”T WANT HIM ! WE have a great gov. IN MARK DAYTON THANKS BUT NO THANKS WALKER IS AN IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      3. Deb says:

        You could move there Sam, we won’t miss you!!

      4. 2V says:

        Oh, thank goodness that we do not have a gov like Walker. We have a gov that has respect for people, talks about the situation, is open to putting a fix in place – we snared a good one when Dayton threw his hat in.

      5. Really? says:

        Agree. And love that the dems have to come to the capitol to pick up their pay checks that they never earned! Unions=a bunch of thieves!!

      6. Really? says:

        We got deer in the headlights Dayton. ANYTHING would be an improvement!!! Even a fence post! I wonder what kind of drugs Dayton does to get that “look”?

    2. Mike says:

      It’s already time to recall Walker

      1. Ginger Shepla says:

        It’s time to recall the senators that skipped town and refuse to do their job.

      2. Lori says:

        Walker needs to step down and get an education from those teachers.
        God Save us all for what he and his bag are doing. Horrible.

    3. Terry Nelson says:

      Walker inherited a budget surplus!!! His first bills in Jan. were corporate tax cuts which then gave Wisconsin a deficit. This was just a ploy to destroy the unions!!!

      1. Conservative in Liberal MN says:

        Terry -are you are just another typical LIBERAL LIAR, or just that stupid?
        http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/109275069.html

    4. The other Dave says:

      Wow John, it amazes me that people celebrate the decline of workers rights…..are you too rich to care or are you blinded by the fear brought on by the rhetoric of big business that “it could be worse”

    5. Jason says:

      Wow if I refused to show up for work I would be fired. Why should they be treated different, after all I pay thier wage.

      1. C. says:

        No – they live and work by a differeent set of rules…
        And that is why we are having this discussion…😦

    6. jjr says:

      teachers should be thankful they have a job to walk out on,and quit complaining about having to make sacrifices.

      1. jay says:

        give me a job that pay around $30.000 to start, and only work only nine months a year

      2. MN Teachers says:

        Jay: It’s $30,000 to start if you have an M.Ed. (in which case you’re going to be paying off student loans with it), and it doesn’t climb much from there. Also, teachers do a lot of work in the summer- that’s when most of the planning gets done-they’re just not getting paid for it. What they’re fighting for is to be able to negotiate with the school board so that the salary stays large enough to live on. It also ensures that there aren’t unreasonable terms in the contract. My first teacher contract included a rule that essentially made it possible for my boss to put me on call 24/7- I could be called in to work at 2am on a Saturday and, if I didn’t show, it was grounds for termination. Now, fortunately he never made me do that, but I still had to be in for 8, 10, 12, hour days -with no extra compensation. Teachers aren’t a greedy bunch -nobody becomes a teacher for the money- but they do need enough to provide for themselves and their families.

  2. Gramma says:

    Good for the DEMS!!!!!!! It sure looks like WALKER is trying to PULL A FAST ONE.

    1. Me says:

      There’s nothing sneaky about this. He has the votes and doing this the right/legal way unlike using reconciliation to back-door healthcare reform.

      1. mnworker says:

        Actually, he was trying to rush this through without enough debate.

      2. Sneaky...YES!!!! says:

        This is totally sneaky. Walker needs to get a real education from those teachers. If there are busses going from MN to join them, count me in.

      3. The other Dave says:

        “Me”,
        it was once legal to make workers work around the clock and pay them little to nothing; unions and collective bargaining changed this….threatening to call out the National Guard a few days ago may have been legal, but it still wasn’t right……

  3. Dogg says:

    Why does the media continue to get this WRONG. It is elimination the right to bargain for Medical, Retirement (that they do not pay for now) paid days off and fringe benefits. Walker wants them to Pay approximately 12.85 % for both Medical and retirement,this will effect him and his staff as well and is still well below the average paid by the rest of the country. They will still be allowed to bargain for there wages, anything over the consumer price index will have to go to the people of wis for a vote.

    Don’t tell me this is about the kids Madison schools have been closed for three day do to a sick out/ Illegal strike this is about money.

    1. the crux of the biscuit says:

      Of course it’s about money. The wealthy in this country have been making out like bandits the last 30 years. The rest of us? We get F’ed by the right wing every chance they get. Tax the rich. If they want less government, they can move to Somalia. I hear they haven’t got much of ANY government so it should be exactly what they are looking for…..

      1. Claudia says:

        Don’t give me that statement that it is your money the “union workers” are taking. I went years with out a pay raise because the money was applied to pension payments or rising health insurance premiums. It was my money used to make the payments. I didn’t get both a raise and the payments. I’d like to see the “real workers” in a classroom. You wouldn’t last for 10 minutes! You can’t stand your kids home for a week vacation. You can’t wait for them to go back to school after the summer break. Give me a break!!! And if you are saying that the teachers are the rich???? Wow, are you mislead. Yes, teachers in the cities make more than rural teachers…..but they aren’t the rich.

      2. Frank says:

        Ignorance. If the rich left so would the jobs. You’re a socialist ignorant. Move to Canada please.

    2. Deb says:

      Your right!!!! It is Republicans trying to do their dirtiest!

      1. Chuck says:

        WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!

      2. Chuck says:

        See the Dogg’s note above as he clarifies what this is about…
        Stop twisting this thing into something it is not…
        You are WRONG in this propaganda supporting your out of touch union entitlements… Go back to the facts and settle down.
        Walker is not the problem here either, as he is trying to solve YOUR problem.

      3. Deb says:

        Chuck, all I can say to people like you is hahhahahahahahahahahaha bull!

      4. Chris says:

        And how do you justify teachers calling in sick to protest???
        That is an illegal strike and they should fire all that appear on TV as they are lying to their employer… and that is how they negotiated the obscene contracts they have now… under false pretenses, lies and threats to line their own pockets… I think I am going to throw up…

      5. Teachers Rights says:

        Deb ~ You are so right….. Of course the Republicans out there are going to be against it they are the ones getting rivher while the school teachers who put up with “their” kids all day long get nothing…..Chuck obviously needs to get a life and maybe become a “real” teacher or “real” worker…those of us that are struggling can really see the real picture….. I am not a school teacher nor a public worker, but where would I be today without you… my kids would be not educated and not able to get a decent paying job….

      6. Deb your wrong Chuck is right says:

        Please don’t spin something out of nothing you are looking well how can I say this DUMB

      7. Chuck says:

        Teachers Rights, You do not know or understand anything about me or where I am coming from as I work as hard or harder than you, so stop the nonsense! You go on and on about how bad off we would be without teeachers? Who said anything about doing away with teachers? The proposal only limits the negotiating on the healthcare and pension benefits! Stop the awfullizing and go check the facts…

      8. The other Dave says:

        Hey Frank,
        before you proclaim “Ignorance”, check your grammar: “You’re a socialist ignorant” doesn’t make sense. For example: “you, sir, are a misinformed ignoramus” would better support a statement such as yours. No, I’m not a teacher, I just paid attention to them.

      9. Randy says:

        You sound like a typical left wing union member. Your the problem. So now be part of the solution. I have never talked to a teacher who wasn’t a democrat and had liberal views. It’s the same view they teach in the classroom to the children in schools and college. Not surprised those of voting age are the same ones who put Obama in office. Along with those who won’t work but collect the checks every month. No sympathy for teachers. Pay like everyone else

      10. jjr says:

        the worst part about this is the teachers using their influence to brianwash the children with their weakminded political veiws

  4. MAJ says:

    The free ride for government employees is over. They need to pay their fair share just as folks in the private sector have done all along. This crazy spending has to stop. Hats off to Gov. Walker for making a bold statement.

    1. dunnski57 says:

      Feel sorry for you MAJ. Public employees are NOT the problem, but you’ve drunk the kool aid of the Tea Party and found a scapegoat that you’ll ride forever. Don’t EVER think of the wealthy folks who hide money in Switzerland and the Cayman Islands that they’ve made by sending jobs to India, Taiwan and China.

      1. Cindy says:

        These workers life time pensions have built in adjustments for inflation.
        Does your private sector 401(k) have built in adjustments for inflation once you retire? You could get wiped out by inflation while government life time pension only go up. And if you run out of money you are out. A life time pension can just draw on more taxes for , as it seems, unlimited funding. The people who give out these life time pensions do not care about who will pay for them. Many cities and states are going broke because of government employee union life time pensions and the problem will only get worse. Public employees are a very big part of the problem.

      2. J says:

        Hiding their money??? You mean just like Gov Dayton does?

      3. Chris says:

        Again, their are Dems like Dayton who are so hypocritical…
        Hiding his furtune that we can only imagine and filing a tax return that coincidently is underneath the threshold of the new taxes he wants to add…
        How over the top sick is that?! And people are OK with it and go along with it because he says “tax the rich”??? Give us a break already…

      4. Pat says:

        Or like the wealthy Governor we have here who hides his money in tax shelters in other states. Do you ever take a look at the photos of our Governor? He looks heavily sedated.

      5. Claudia says:

        Cindy……our pensions do not just go up. I’ve had a pay cut in the pension the last 3 years. And we do pay in to the pension. We agree to payments made to that instead of a pay raise. We didn’t get both!
        But, this isn’t entirely about that. The more important issue is all right to bargaining is taken away. “He” says we can still bargain wages? OH? What leg do we have to stand on? There is no “right to strike.” There is nothing to make them pay women the same as men. We are set back 40-50 years.
        We will not have a right to discuss which insurance company, which plans.. We will not have a right to help decide calendar, number of hours/days of work. We will not have a say in what we teach, how we teach. We will not have a voice in reform. College educated slaves.

      6. dunnski57 says:

        My public sector pension has no such automatic adjustments for inflation. Where do you people get these ideas??

    2. Public Service Ain't No Free Ride says:

      Fine… then pay us private sector wages with the ability to negotiate our salaries and benefits, give us lucrative stock options and bonuses for high performance and we’ll be happy to pay our “fair share”.

      1. Chuck says:

        What color is the sky in your world?
        I do not know anyone with the ability to negotiate salaries and benefits and get lucrative stock options and bonuses for high performance…
        If that is your imaginary benchmark, I think we may have hit on the problem…
        Your expectations and lifestyles are based on watching too much TV or something… I don’t get it.

      2. lib says:

        You got it high performance, if you union folks actually performed you might have a legitimate argument.

      3. RR says:

        Negotiate salaries? Benefits? Lucrative stock options and bonuses? Are you kidding me? Where have you been the past couple of years? Have you heard anything aobut the great recession?

      4. OK says:

        Wow, I think you just assume that you would actually get a private sector job if one was available for you comparison to make sense. A private sector worker in competition with a public sector worker for a private sector job. Public sector workers and their entitlement mentality would be on the bottom of the candidate list. How about you get out and try earning your money instead of the “GIVE us lucrative…” mentality. It just hit me that you dared use the term Public Service in your user name. Just amazing.

    3. Just the facts, ma'm says:

      @ Cindy — no, more like Denny Hecker.

    4. The other Dave says:

      I’m not a government worker and with the exception of a stint in the Navy, never was. With that said, to MAJ and all others that think government workers have “a free ride”, etc it’s too easy fall into the stereotype of “they don’t work.” and besides you forget that they pay taxes too……

  5. Deb says:

    Before you throw stones, know what it is you are talking about. There is so much more to what the employees have. They have a good union, and you don’t. End of story!

    1. Lexie says:

      Union government employees generate nothing for the US economy.
      Their pay comes from taxes, from my pocket and not from what they produce. Maybe some people forgot that… or maybe we should all be Union governmemt employee if it such a great thing! How would that work out?

      1. Deb says:

        Sorry you could never manage to join a union, you must be one that sits back and just takes what you get… though you know you deserve more respect!

      2. Duh! says:

        Union members pay taxes too…

      3. Josh says:

        Last time I checked, I paid the teachers’ union for their services. It was deducted from my paycheck.

  6. Deb says:

    Start the cuts at the top!

  7. Private Pensions will be Next says:

    I earned a private sector pension which I didn’t directly contribute to. The cost of that benefit was my lower payscale (commercial banking). I fear private sector companies will be given the green light now to reneg on their obligations to employees with 20, 30 and 40 years of service.

    Soon we’ll all be part-time workers with no benefits, homes, or rights. ERISA will be history.

    1. RR says:

      Ok Mr./Ms Gloom & Doom, that won’t likely happen. Why? Because both the gov’t and private sector companies still need to offer competive salaries & benefits to attract & maintain qualified talent. If you end up working part tiime with no benefits, it will be because that’s all your position & qualifications are worth in the overall job market.

      1. Deb says:

        You are funny RR! Get real… they needed to do that before, and why do you think unions were needed????

      2. Kate says:

        ” If you end up working part tiime with no benefits, it will be because that’s all your position & qualifications are worth in the overall job market.”

        Spoken by someone comfortably employed with no imagination.

        Just more of the “I’ve got mine, why the hell should I care if anyone else gets theirs” mentality that is sweeping the right. You pray to the money god, and feel the bounty you receive is based on your righteousness.

        What a mean, ugly little heart you have.

        1. Dennis Abitz says:

          nice job Kate

        2. mark from mntaxwaste.com says:

          @KATE you must be talking about the Liberal agenda mine! mine! because you all act like victims. The Union in WI is sucking the tax payer dry

          1. One of the dying middle class says:

            Mark the clueless should be your handle. Corporate greed is sucking WI dry.

            1. Cheryl says:

              Big Government is WORSE than corporate!!

              I just got done working with an EPA employee who got back from Orlando on a seminar training… (your tax dollar) and he’s now off to Washington for another training seminar… (your tax dollar).

              1. Cheryl says:

                Let’s not forget the first class tickets purchased while on the job (your tax dollar).

                1. Josh says:

                  At least they’re learning something useful and not riding around in new cars paid for by bank bail-out money.

                2. John says:

                  NAH NAH NAH NAH…. HEY HEY HEY BUST THE UNION

                3. Deb says:

                  goodbye John…. you just don’t have one!

                4. Julie says:

                  In the end, once this passess, WI and it’s people will be so much better off. It’s just a matter of time.

                5. Steve says:

                  Let’s look at who’s suffering now:
                  1. The students who are currently missing class, because their teachers want more money.
                  2. The parents who have to stay at home from work, til their kid’s teachers return to school.
                  3. The taxpayers who’s policians are not showing up for work – There’s a vote for that later on.
                  4. The taxpayers who have to pay for teachers saleries, who should be at school serving the public and not at the capitol.

                  Once this passes, and it will, everyone will be better off – Just like Obamacare!😉

                6. Tanya says:

                  I’m so glad I’m not part of a union, it’s so refreshing!!

                7. Margaret says:

                  Deb you need to get out of the closet and get a breath of fresh air… Enjoy what’s going on around you.

            2. Cadee says:

              It’s called capitalism, you should enjoy it. It works much better than socialism. Most of your relatives left their homeland to enjoy capitalism. I’m sorry it’s not working out for you… Have you tried looking for help?

  8. Deb says:

    Before the republicans are allowed to do this… ask them what they are giving up!!! Tell me what? They need to talk sense, show what they are giving up and ask all walks of life to give something too!! Cut their benefits and you would probably be OUT of trouble!!

    1. Pat says:

      Your points are all invalid. Now they your meds and wait for your government check. It’s in the mail

      1. Dennis Abitz says:

        moron are you really that stupid??

  9. Rlensjo says:

    I am so happy some of you are okay that Walker just gave away how many billions to big business and now want to make public employeeds suffer, they already make less than people who have their same eductation. This is union busting plain and simple. The rich get richer, and Karl Rove is writing the game plan. Dont’ worry unless you are a millionaire you are next if you do not support the rights of the little people now.

    1. Dave says:

      YES; your are correct, sir!!

  10. Deb says:

    Pretty sure the governor and the republicans have ALL the same benefits and pay that union works have half of… where are their cuts???

    1. Andy says:

      Deb,

      What is your solution to the 3.6 billion defecit? Ignore it and go bankrupt? Would you rather they lay off 6000 jobs, or increase costs?

      1. Dave says:

        …..no-no Andy I think you miss Deb’s point – the trouble across the board is politicians pitting us against one another. We all know the state and federal government argue over these things every year, yet very few vote down pay increases and/or cuts for themselves…..

      2. Dennis Abitz says:

        why dont we allow the rich to pay the same percentage of taxes as the rest of us instead of taking everything. those of you who support walker deserve everything you get the rest of us dont. if your going to make a stupid remark at least acknowledge your ignorance so we can show you some pity.

  11. It's about the Union Breaking, not money!!! says:

    Sorry folks, it is not about the money. I bet the public employees would take the cuts the Gov. is proposing. It’s about losing the right to organize and have a chance to get a fair pay and work rules when this dollar crisis is over!!

    1. mark from MNtaxwaste says:

      So what you are saying is its like the Nurse strike we had last year when the nurses said it was about the patients not the money? But when the nurses got their money the strike was over! BS It’s about the money

      1. Dave says:

        Of course it’s about money/livelihood; that’s why unions were formed in the first place, Mark. No one would be happy about cuts, but what does reducing and possibly eliminating collective bargaining have to do with balancing the budget and pay cuts??

    2. lib says:

      When you receive payment from the taxes of others you should not have the right to strike or organize to recieve more and more and more. You barely work while on the job, why should taxpayers have to keep paying you for ever and ever and ever?

      1. Duh! says:

        How do you know they “barely work”? Where are your facts? All the welfare checks are making it to the people who really do get paid for doing nothing, so some public employees must be getting something done!

      2. Dave says:

        So lib, we don’t pay the cops; don’t pay the firemen; don’t pay the soldiers?? Pay from taxes or pay from services rendered; we all make money from other people’s money in one way, shape, or form and we all deserve the right of collective bargaining which is at the heart of this issue. And to comment to “Duh!”, it’s way to easy to fall back on the welfare argument, when the tax cuts to big business in this state and on a national level far outweigh welfare services and said cuts do not lead to more jobs, etc. The government would do well to have stipulations in place that would encourage big business to identify how they will use the tax cuts to promote more jobs, etc.

      3. Josh says:

        You think a teacher “barely works”? You think the folks serving in the armed forces “barely work”? I’d like to see you tell them that to their face. I guess you want to support the troops in bumper stickers only, huh?

      4. lib says:

        Government does not create jobs, so dollars are not the same as in the private sector and to equate a teacher with a solider makes not sense. Most teachers are socialists and teach that propoganda. Our soliders put their life on the line, imagine if they called in sick like the teachers in hudson, as in “barely work” just because they didn’t agree with something. Public unions think that because tax dollars are paying their wage it is bottomless, well states being broke show that to not be true. Yes some unions are required, I would never do away with a union for the Police for the obvious reasons, they need protection from every thug that crys foul, but teachers? no way.

      5. Josh says:

        lib: You make “not sense”. You know very little about what teachers do, how hard they work, how broad of a political spectrum they fall on, and why they need protection. First of all, the only propaganda that they deliver is stuff that the religious right forces upon them -like excluding Thomas Jefferson from American History because he was a product of the enlightenment (Texas) or having to teach creationism as if it was based in some kind of fact (Louisiana). Secondly, I wish you would actually go visit a school and see what it is that teachers do. An overwhelming majority of teachers that I know are the most dedicated group of professionals that you’re likely to find. Even though they have to work long hours for little pay, lousy benefits, and have to put up with being bashed constantly by people like you, they dedicate their life to the betterment of this country. The reason they’re calling in sick is because they want to be treated with the respect that they deserve- so that they don’t have to go out and get a THIRD job.
        And as far as socialism is concerned, you belong with McCarthy in the fifties. You either have no argument and have to revert to baseless (and trendy) scare tactics, or you really haven’t done your political science homework and don’t know what you’re talking about. Either way, get smarter or go back in time – I think you’ll be a lot happier.

  12. Teachers have rights says:

    Where would youb e withour the “REAL” teachers that taught you. I would say they are the “Real workers of America”

  13. mark from MNtaxwaste says:

    Make sure WI takes the prorated pay out of their checks for running away

    1. Deb says:

      Or their own for not negociating correctly…… see why there must be unions!?
      Can’t say that was the right way to do it, but KUDOS for the effort!!

  14. Dean from Minnesota says:

    Sorry Wisconsin public employees. Your state is broke, Probably because of you. Do you want more now and none tomorrow or less now for more tomorrows? Minnesota is broke too. We all need to sacrifice.

    1. Dave says:

      WI employees deserve to have right. They deserve to right to quit their job if they feel they can find a better one. the same right as every other private employee.

      1. The other Dave says:

        yes, and they also have the right to contact their unions; again the money matters, but attempting to weaken the collective bargaining is the piece that should concern all of us…..

  15. Dave says:

    WHAT?!! This goes beyond the issues. 1st there are threats of sending out the national guard and now the GOP leadership is endorsing sending state troopers after senators. I thought we lived in Wisconsin, not Libya. Is Walker going to be barbecuing with Gaddafi this weekend for some more pointers?!!

  16. Not always true says:

    Union workers do contribute to their own pensions. Part of their paychecks are withheld and deposited into the pension plan. And if they are homeowners, they pay property taxes. Property taxes are used to pay local government workers wages. So therefore by being a homeowner, they are paying themselves. Quite a Catch-22

  17. Audrey says:

    I sure hope someone brought the shovels to sleep on.

  18. Dave says:

    When government workers start to pay even a small prtion of there medical expenses they might realize how good they have had it. They might start to appreciate what they have and understand where the rest of us are coming from.

    1. LetsCommunicateBetter says:

      I am a government worker in a MN County and I do pay a portion of my medical expenses. I have a $2500 deductible and an HSA that I contribute to out of my paycheck to help meet that deductible. I pay 30% of the monthly premium out of my paycheck. I make contributions to my pension plan out of my paycheck. Do people really believe we don’t contribute to our own insurance and pensions?? That might be a big part of the problem–miscommunication and lack of facts.

      1. Dave says:

        That sound like a health care plan myself and many other would love to have.

      2. really? says:

        @Lets…. Couldn’t have said it better. I too work for a MN County and my family lives paycheck to paycheck. I too pay for medical with a $2500 deductible on top of that. We don’t have an HSA to help with that deductible. Oh yeah, and less we forget… last time I checked, I pay taxes too. I truly believe people are misinformed about government workers.

      3. Dogg says:

        The teachers in Wis only pay about 5% to medical and do not HAVE to pay anything to retirement and are full vested immediately you can not use MN labor agreements as an indicator in this situation. Bottom line is Walker is going to kill 6k state jobs unless this gets passed and will not negotiate with the union. The Dems ran away to avoid a vote. This is a huge black eye to Wis by all involved. But mark my words wis is not the only state you will hear doing this type of action. Indiana did it with the simple stroke of the pen by executive order. Ohio and other states are watching and taking notes.

  19. Nate says:

    I know this is Federal – but here is the problem with government. These jobs do not PRODUCE dollars, they USE dollars. Please don’t get into the idea that government supports private workers through social programs, rights, etc. Government is a bi-product of taxes – taxes that are generated by private sector employees. These figures should be flipped…

    Federal civil servants earned average pay and benefits of $123,049 in 2009 while private workers made $61,051 in total compensation, according to the Bureau of Economic Analysis. The data are the latest available. (USA Today)

    1. The other Dave says:

      ….that would include your politicians, who never vote a pay cut for themselves, nor pass on voting for raises for themseolves….

  20. Crazy says:

    Amazing how the rest of the workforce gets by without unions.

    1. Duh says:

      Amazing how a lot of the private sector IS unionized. Amazing how you can make a statement like that without having a clue what you are talking about.

      1. Really? Duh? says:

        Really? Why do people like you spout idiotic comments without at least TRYING to search for facts? The United States Dept. of Labor reported that 6.9% of private sector employees are Unionized. Here’s the link in case you are too lazy to use google.

        http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

        Appx 12 of the total workforce in the US are Union.

        Like I said, amazing how the rest of us get by. An OVERWHELMING majority.

      2. Pat says:

        I would rather represent myself than pay someone to represent me. The fat Union Cats are loving this.

    2. The other Dave says:

      …..where do you live “Crazy”?? Unions are everywhere in the workforce. they came out of the private sector to bring about what we take for granted like 40 hour workweeks and basic safety and workers rights. It was the unions complaining that forced fair work practices, not the government deciding it was the right thing to do….geeze, read our history or turn on the History channel…..

      1. The other Dave says:

        …hey “Crazy” it may be useful to recognize that to say the “rest of us” did imply that you felt unions were not in the private sector…. before you ask or call me names: no I’m not in a union and I don’t always agree with them, but I do appreciate what they did and still can do for workers’ rights…..

  21. Eva says:

    Wisonsin is not broke. Walker is trying to pass this bill to make public workers pay for the newly enacted taxcuts he gave to the corporations last month. wisconcins budget was fine. He is trying to make ordinary people pay for his gifts to the corporations that have bought his election. Plus he is trying to destroy the unions. This is straight out of the Karl Rove and Koch Brothers textbook of how to make sure that the democratic party gets destroyed….

    1. Bleh says:

      Eva,

      You forget that corporations are not owned by one person. They are owned by many thousands of people, and employ many thousands of people, which in turn pay taxes. Would you rather them move to South Dakota where there is very little corporate tax? Or even worse overseas?

      You people seem to think that by giving companies tax breaks, the money goes right into the CEOs pocket. Wrong. It goes into OUR pockets by keeping us employed. Those people are paying the way for state workers.

      You are incorrect. Wisconsin is broke, as are most states. They have been for a long time.

      1. Deb says:

        keeping you employed???? The jobs go over seas!!! Wake up!!! YES< YES some unions have not done anything good by the high wages some now get… but then negociate with the people who are the unions….daaaaa. You might be surprised what they are willing to do when the upper crust is too!!

      2. The other Dave says:

        ….so Bleh, when we read about inflated salaries of CEO’s, etc with massive layoffs in the same companies, this would be???……the oldest ploy is to pit us against one another with fear to convince us to keep our mouths shut or “it could be worse”; your comments prove that those tactics work if you let them….for centuries people allowed their fears to keep them destitute and this is why unions and collective bargaining became a reality……big business didn’t decide to provide fair wage and better work conditions and governments didn’t help because it was the right thing to do, this occurred because people formed unions demanded it….

  22. pat says:

    Just for the fun of it show up at a government office on a Monday morning, they are in no way prepared to do business, most employees aren’t even in the office, then show up on Friday after noon, again most people especially the higher ups are gone for the weekend. Government employees have had a four day week forever, and paid for five, that is out and out theft.

  23. Dao Yang says:

    As a private worker , I’m all for wasteful States and Federal spending, but not cutting on Schools and Public spending. All wasteful spending should be eliminated.

    1. DaoIsRight says:

      What’s your definition of wasteful spending? Unfortunately, everybody has a different opinion on that.

  24. LetsCommunicateBetter says:

    I’m not sure which government office you are talking about, but if I tried to get away with that, I’d be fired in a heart beat, and my union would not be able to protect me. I work in a smaller county, maybe that’s the difference, But please don’t lump us all together just because we are “government workers” I take pride in my job, as do my co-workers. I make less money than most of the people in the private sector in my county, but I like my job so I stay. Our county does not allow slackers, everybody knows everybody so we wouldn’t get away with it even if we wanted to!

    1. Dave says:

      I hope your not at work now because i don’t like my tax dollars paying for someoone to be posting on here. I think you may have it better than you think. And you may make more than you think with your benefits.

      1. LetsCommunicateBetter says:

        I work at 3 this afternoon til 11 tonight, but thanks for asking😉

    2. lib says:

      I agree with Pat My daughter and I went to Wright County on a child support issue on a typical Friday, it was just passed noon, the young receptionist giggled, everyone who can help you is gone for the day?, fine I said “we’ll be back on Monday” again giggle “usually no one comes in till noon on Monday”. I challenge you go to any of these offices and see the people standing around talking and laughing with each other, and they are not on a break. However, if you stand there long enough eventually someone will wander over.

      1. LetsCommunicateBetter says:

        Then you need to contact your Wright County Commissioners, County Administrator, Human Resources Director and the Department head and tell them what’s going on!

      2. lib says:

        Tried that, they weren’t in their office, but I did call on a Friday.

      3. I bet says:

        I’m betting you never tried to contact any of them. Just like to whine about it and not actually do anything about it. I highly doubt that all the people listed above were not in when you called. If is true, you need to clean house in Wright County. Maybe you’d like one of the jobs, since you seem to know everything.

      4. lib says:

        True story I Bet, and I still challenge anyone go to the DMV, water dept any of these govt offices and you see people wasting your tax dollars. Ever go by and see the city workers, three leaning on a shovel watching one scratch his head. your tax dollar at work

      5. Lib needs a reality check says:

        So you claim you tried to call all the County Commissioners in their County offices but they were all gone for the day? Now everybody knows you’re nothing but a liar. Most county commissioners, with the exception of maybe Hennepin and Ramsey don’t have full time county commissioners. They are elected officials who have other full time jobs and come to the county building for meetings. You probably can’t get a union job because they did a background check on you and know you’re worthless. Maybe if you quit feeling sorry for yourself and making everyone else the cause of your problems, you would see the truth and not spread vicious lies about things you know nothing about.

      6. I think I've waited on Lib says:

        I bet those employees HAVE dealt with you before, and when they see you coming they pretend they didn’t, or they’re playing rock,paper,scissors to see which one of them will be forced to deal with you. Instead of treating them like they’re lazy and worthless and don’t know what they’re doing, try being nice for just once. A little common courtesy goes a long way. When you step up to the counter, maybe a nice smile and a “Good morning!” instead of instant nasty would help.

  25. Dao Yang says:

    To all States officials , such those in Wisconsin , who represent their districts and their people shouldn’t be running away and buried their heads in the sand. You were elected to serve the people and not runaway from them. Remember to vote them out in the next election .. The Americans public deserve much better …

    1. Paulie says:

      They are “running away” because there is no way to stop the Republicans. They feel they ARE representing and serving their constituents by avoiding the inevitable if they stay. If they stay, it will be passed. The people of Wisconsin don’t want that. That is what it is all about.

  26. Matt says:

    You think your going to see one more penny in your pocket? Go take a real hard look at the years our Federal debt, thus our State debt has increased. Who was in charge of the federal government? The GOP Republicans, Obama has not done a stellar job fixing the issue, but Bush left him a hell of a hole. The unions were willing to sit down with the Governor to discuss the shortfalls. Instead Walker acts like a dictator, if he keeps going down this road, it will be not so peaceful protests next.
    A libertarian

  27. alice kelm says:

    i cannot believe you people do you actually believe the republican party cares for you they help tke all of your put us in two wars. and you are still defiending them . ican not beleive that you beleive our rights should be taken away from usim 73 years old wake up people in 10 years they will have you just where thay want you we had 8 years of bush that destroyed our country 2 wars a corrupt senate and house and you have the guts to think the teachers dont have rights ican not understand the meaness and evil talk that you express .get real people you are next there are going to be more jobs lost because of those 8years of bush then what will be your remarks oh thats right its obamas fault not republicans . wake up for your childrens rights in this country.

  28. Kate says:

    Funny that the unions that supported Walker in the election will NOT have their rights gutted.

    Local law enforcement, fire employees, state troopers and inspectors will all maintain the right to collectively bargain.

    If this is such a righteous idea, why are these three unions exempt?

    Doesn’t this tell you what this move is really about? Breaking unions and more power to our coporate overlords.

    1. paab says:

      Because these people work high risk and are more open to lawsuits from the welfare thugs they arrest. not quite the same as the teacher who can’t/won’t teach.

      1. Josh says:

        I wish you were smarter, paab.

      2. an Old Teacher says:

        Dearest paab-

        At least you have paid more attention to your spelling today than your rambling and incoherent rant from yesterday. I see you are still blaming your teacher’s for your shortcomings. Who is responsible for paab? Apparently not paab.

    2. Apples and Oranges says:

      You cannot even compare the two types of unions. Law enforcement and fire fighters have completely different sets of rules. They cannot strike, it’s against the law. They are exempt from laws that say you get overtime after a 40 hr work week, and don’t get overtime til over 60 hr work weeks. Because of the dangers of their work, and the nights holidays, weekends, etc that they work, they are governed by different laws. They shouldn’t even be included in this debate…

  29. constitution says:

    more taxes and less pay…all these gov’s are only interested in one thing…money…money,money,money…all going to central banks as we stay divided in this left/right fraud going on…wake up!

    1. The other Dave says:

      Rock On “constitution”; I feel you hit the nail on the head!!!!!

  30. Dave says:

    Our educational system sucks. We are falling behind and becoming a society of entitlements. Teachers should just do their jobs, teach math science and history. Not worry about building up the kid. Kids now days don’t know what it is to do a bad job. All these liberal teachers are messing our kids up. Out with all of them. If they want more benefits and money then do your job and make us number 1 in the world.

    1. The other Dave says:

      Wow Dave; you help to argue the point that you attempt to argue against. The US is behind due to cuts in education; overcrowded classrooms, not enough schools and/or understaffed schools.

      1. Deb says:

        Don’t forget that stupid “NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND” that is a big joke!!! If teachers could go back to the basics and only allow those students that accomplish those to go into the extras, maybe our kids would be ahead! Sorry you cannot blame the teachers for what the government insists they teach. Nor can you expect a teacher in a class room with 30 kids to be able to get every child to learn the same!! It is like having 30 children YOU have to keep inline!! Could you, and teach them too???

  31. Nino says:

    The politians need to start listening to the people, are we going to let the government control and run everything? Can’t you see where that has gotten us today?

  32. Rachel Heatherington says:

    Time to get rid of the new governor. It’s disgraceful what the Republicans are trying to do in Wisconsin. You can only blame the people who voted them in.

    1. Me Too says:

      And you got a nice retirement pension from the fire department didn’t you??

      1. Me too says:

        This is weird, I “replied” to Tim’s comment and it got placed behind Rachel’s…

  33. Rachel says:

    Teachers only work 8 months out of the year. Think about all the kids that they are hurting by calling sick to strike. Great use of tax dollars, fire them all. What a poor example they are setting for their students. This is disgusting.

    1. Deb says:

      Hey if it was a snow day it would be made up, so they make it up!! You have to stand up for what is right!! The Governor and republicans of Wisconsin are sooooooooo wrong!!! You can tell me they are right when they cut their own benefits and pay!!! Till then… get real!!!

  34. Tim says:

    Interesting, I spent 17 years as a Volunteer Fireman and EMT (emphasis on Volunteer), received $100 a year for a clothing allowance……….as did several others who Volunteered for the service to the community. We covered 50,000 acres in 2 townships and worked across the county line as a backup for other fire departments.

    1. What's your point? says:

      Who paid for the fire trucks, hoses, equipment, ambulances and all the other supplies? You? You want volunteer police too?

  35. Barney Rules!!! says:

    I truely think we are headed for our own Civil War! We need to tighten our belts and cut spending and this is what they are doing in Wisconsin. Like it or not it has to happen!

  36. alice says:

    hi im so proud of you for the last comments your getting the ooint stand up for your rights itold you in my remarks im 73 yrs old ialso fought for you young people . please dont give up and let these mean money hungry people take over just because im old doesnt mean idont know whats going on ive got the republicans number what they want.thanks for your smart remarks god bless.

  37. It's Unions they want!!! says:

    It’s the Union they want to kill!! Republicans have been anti union forever!!! NOW THEY THINK THEY CAN DO IT AND THEY WILL!!!!! How about looking up why unions were formed and what working conditions were before them!!!!!!

  38. Jon says:

    Matt, spot on,only these people will stay peaceful.there is no I or me in USA. Just Us.hopefully Scott walker will negotiate, not dictate.

  39. Goob says:

    Was watching a show that said wisc was 121,000,000 in the GREEN right now. Is that accurate?? If so, what’s all the fuss???

  40. Goob says:

    Love to see about 20″ of snow about now. Think them plow drivers would call in sick???

  41. JC says:

    Many of you are missing what is happening. This is a very exciting time to be alive for there is a revolution of sorts that is starting. Because of our national debt and a very sluggish economy with no sign of recovery in sight, we have to reduce government. The idea of the government taking care of you and every problem in your life is ending. It is going to get very nasty in DC and at every state Capitol facing deficits. MANY INCOMING GOVERNORS, CONGRESSMEN AND CONGRESSWOMEN ARE GOING TO FULLFILL THE CAMPAIGN PLEDGES THAT GOT THEM ELECTED. They are going to cut the size of Federal and State government.

    1. C. says:

      YES, THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CLEAN UP SOME OF THE SLOP!
      LET’S SUPPORT OUR LEGISTLATORS THAT WE ELECTED TO SEE THIS THROUGH.

  42. Hannah says:

    What I don’t understand is why are the teachers complaining? Most teachers are in a two income family! I have seen and heard about the lake cabins that some have. I don’t think they have it bad at all. Plus all the days they get off between labor day and memorial day and summers off. I think the superintendents are the ones that are getting too much money and now with 5 figure bonuses they get, I think that is the real problem!

  43. Alan Drum says:

    Most demonstrators grudgingly accept the need to pay more of their salaries for fringe benefits, to help the deficit. The demonstrators are justifiably and vehemently opposed to the Governor’s attack on bargaining rights. The Governor continues to deflect the argument away from his attack on bargaining rights, claiming his proposal is necessary to fight the deficit. Removal of bargaining rights does not help to improve the deficit. The Governor knows this well, and is trying to pull a fast one!

  44. dunnski57 says:

    It is amazing how many posters believe that public employees are the reason their state is in a financial mess. Talk about scapegoating…….. You should be ashamed of your ignorance.

  45. warren says:

    Anyone who supports this action needs to take a long look in the mirror. This is nothing more than typical Republican Union busting. Maybe the Governor should do the right thing and sit down to bargain with the Unions. Wow, what a novel concept. Listen and try to learn something.

    “Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”
    Abraham Lincoln

  46. HERB says:

    The deficite in wisconsin is caused by new tax breaks pushed through by the governor (standard GOP operating proceedure). If the governer were fiscally responsible (as he claims to be) he would not have put the state in the position that it is in by passing the new tax breaks for his corporate campaign contributors. No, this is exactly what it appears to be, an attempt by an another arrogant Republican stealing more money from the poor and removing more checks and balances so his corporate buddies can continue to steal from the poor, dumb down the masses and allow unchecked Republican greed long into the future. It is wrong, walker knows it is wrong, but with no moral compass or ethical integrity he will undoubtedly continue down this disasterous path for the citizens and workers of Wisconsin, No amount of spin can change the facts, this is a prima facia attempt to break the unions. It will end in compromise by the governor or violence, there is no third way!

  47. End Public Employee Unions says:

    Who are these teachers and state workers unionizing against anyway. Are not most unionized so they can increase thier bargaining power against thier employer.
    It seems like these people are unionized against the tax payers.

    Why does this debate keep coming back to the teachers. Most of the peole affected by this will not be teachers.

    End unionizations of public employees. What are they in union against. they are in union against the state and it tax payers. Most state employees are incompetent. I understand you can find some exceptions but in gereral most are overpaid underworked useless people.

    End the union.

    1. warren says:

      What an ignorant statement. Until Letter Carriers won the right to bargain collectively by going on an illiegal strike in 1970, most were eligible for welfare. They are not unionizing against anyone. They are unionizing for themselves.

      “A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned – this is the sum of good government.”
      Thomas Jefferson

      1. End Public Employee Unions says:

        I agree with Thomas Jefferson. The government should not tax taxes out my pay check. But they do. Now tell me about this bread that these public employees have earned. The money they are paid is the bread that is taken from my mouth. I am tired of public employees Unionizing against me and other tax payers. I think it is ridiculous that they get to unionize against tax payers.
        I now a few state employees. They are in general slow and ineffective employees. Have you been to a DMV lately to get your license renewed. How is it that $40.00 an hour employees are so slow. Why does it take over an hour wait to renew a license when it is simple paper work. But you can go to a Chipotle and they are able to hand make burritos and cash out approximately 40 customers every ten minutes.
        What is causing this inefficiency. It is the Union. They are unionized against tax payers. The public employees are supposed to serve the communities they work for. Instead they only serve their interests.

      2. License Bureau Clerk says:

        Because when you go to Chipotle, you don’t have 40 people in front of you trying to get licenses they can’t have, without id’s they didn’t bring with them, arguing about this and that and other various things and trying to get out of paying fines and fees that the employee standing in front of them had NOTHING to do with setting. . It’s not JUST paperwork, laws have to be followed, it’s not just stamp it and send you on your way. It is inefficient because lawmakers made it that way, not the employee putting up with 40 angry people in line because she’s not working fast anough for you! If it’s so easy, come and do it for a week and see how you like it.

      3. License Bureau Clerk says:

        And DREAM ON about us making $40 an hour. What a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  48. alice says:

    you young people all have such good ideas and comments you should have beenout there protesting the last 14 years when dems and republican bailed wout wall street and the big banks took peoples homes and jobs . your so smart iwe need you and your ideas .old people like me cant do it anymore ..you dems and repubkicans can put your anger aside and go together for your children and grandchildren .im so proud of your remarks and again god bless all of you their are bad times ahead but you will mke it.

  49. Todd Illig says:

    What did the people of Wisc. expect when they voted for Republicans. They said they were going to give tax breaks to the wealthy and go after the middle class and that is exactly what they are doing. The gap between the rich and poor has been widening since Reagan first started the war against working americans. The rich have been asked to pay less during a financial crisis they are responsible for. The compensation for banking execs came out today. All of them are making millions for bankrupting this country. Now the politicians they have bought and paid for are asking teachers and other people who actually contribute something to society to foot the bill

  50. Wooderson says:

    Atlas is shrugging.

  51. Reagan Ruined Us! says:

    Everyone should google “historical income tax rates” and see why more of a burden is being put on all middle class workers. Bring back the higher tax rates for the wealthiest earners from before Reagan and we’d have smaller classrooms, no need to raid from worker’s pensions or healthcare and, drumroll please, NO DEFICIT. Are we becoming more socialist as a country??? Look at the 60s…top bracket was 91%. People used to think that was patriotic. Now, it’s socialist.

  52. Greg says:

    What should be very clear to anyone watching what is happening in Wisconsin is that Unions have outlived there usefulness. If you’re young Home School your children and if you need a new automobile, buy a non-union assembled one. The auto unions busted GM and forced the tax payer bailout. Time to eliminate all unions and there collective bargaining agreements.
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    .

    1. Sarah says:

      I hear you Greg!! God Bless America!!

  53. Jason says:

    Wis is broke. Very simple if” concessions “are not taken, people are going to get fired.

  54. Land of the Free says:

    Walker – “Vee will find you und make you appear in the Senate vhere vee will make you vote for tyranny or you vill never see your families again.”

    Ain’t democracy great?

  55. Save Wisconsin!! says:

    I’m tired of watching the news and hear teachers say “I NEED, I NEED” !! When they built the addition to my hometown high school, before the concrete even cured, the school board was already trying to pass another high profile referendum. When the teachers up in Northern Minnesota went on strike because they wanted life time health care benefits, it made me puke!! The teachers actually used the students as an excuse!! So someone who’s unemployed now has to pay taxes for someone else’s health care!!

    Teachers should feel the same paiin as all the rest of the working class!
    Round up these wussy politicians or cut their pay immediately!!

    1. Deb says:

      You need to check facts before you talk!! Not all teachers are paid the same!!! Not all teachers get the same benefits! I’ve got news for you…. the insurance is paid for by the teachers… very little by the school district! I can understand why kids they act the way they do today…. parents and people that think like you!!

  56. Peggy says:

    BTW… I wonder how good of a job the government did on BP’s Deep Water Horizon!! OH yeah!! 60 minutes reported the government officials handed over blank forms to the workers and asked BP employees to fill them out in pencil (turns out they were applying for a job with BP).

    Now Obama has opened up more areas for drilling – What a leader!!🙂

  57. Sorry Josh says:

    Josh, Josh, Josh….

    No matter how much you train them in there is still government waste! Yes, they waste more money then a new car!!

    Spending money on a jet engine that’s considered totally obsolete!

    1. Josh says:

      I’m not sure you know what the word “obsolete” means.

    2. Josh says:

      Oh nevermind, I know what you’re referring to. My Bad.

  58. Tami says:

    NAH NAH NAH NAH…. HEY HEY HEY BUST THE UNION!!🙂

  59. Jody says:

    NAH NAH NAH NAH…. HEY HEY HEY BUST THE UNION!!🙂

  60. Jim says:

    To Gov. Walker: I think what Counsel for the Army Joseph Welch said during the Army-McCarthy Hearings applies to what your trying to do; “Have you no sense of decency sir”

  61. Conservative in Liberal MN says:

    Anyone want to project the over/under when Dayton quits THIS job? What will the liberal whiners in MN do then?

  62. Robert says:

    The democrat lawmakers should return to their jobs and vote. The will of the people should prevail, as voted on by their representatives. This measure will eliminate close to 10% of the defecit, and result in government workers earning about what private employees earn.

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