Protesters Track Down Wis. Dems Hiding In Ill.

MILWAUKEE (AP) — One of the 14 Wisconsin senators who’s hiding out in Illinois with his Democratic colleagues says protesters have discovered the hotel where a number of the lawmakers meet the media.

State Sen. Chris Larson says the senators are trying to keep their locations a secret because they’re concerned for their safety. For example, he says someone e-mailed him threatening to burn down his house.

Larson was speaking to The Associated Press by cell phone on Tuesday when protesters pulled up in front of the hotel. He says they appeared peaceful, although he and his fellow Democrats will probably find a new place for their subsequent briefings.

The Democrats left the state Thursday to prevent a vote on a Republican Gov. Scott Walkers’ sweeping anti-union bill.

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  1. JB says:

    YOU WERE ELECTED TO DO A JOB, NOW GET YOUR REAR BACK TO WI AND DO IT!!

    1. BUZZCUT says:

      Excatly, they doing their by NOT letting this bill happen. It is lawful & peaceful.

      1. Papa K says:

        President Lincoln once jumped out a window to avoid casting a vote and there are several examples of Republicans doing the same. I doubt that matters though to those that disagree with Wi. This time the middle class has their back and it looks like it’s working.

      2. K-Rod says:

        Lawful?

        Why did they go to Illinois? To avoid Law Enforcment.

        Game. Set. Match.

  2. albert says:

    This is just their version of the filibuster, used to extremes lately by the Reflublicans. Deal with it.

    1. K-Rod says:

      A filibuster extends debate, leaving town prevents dabate.

      1. albert says:

        Baloney. A filibuster ends work.

      2. Alberta says:

        It’s called bologna. That’s what the Dems are starting to look like: low-class meat. At least your bologna shows up to be eaten.

    2. Cerin says:

      “When fascism comes to the US, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a bible” – Sinclair Lewis

      Please explain how a government union is fascism.

      1. albert says:

        Not the union. The republicans.

        Er.

    3. Randy says:

      Albert,

      Read the dictionary before giving a left wing definition to filibuster

      1. albert says:

        I think it’s generic. As currently written, and when used by either side, the filibuster stops work.

        There’s no “wing” to it.

    4. Ryan says:

      Filibuster is part of the process. It’s actually written into the procedural handbook. Now point to me where you find “leaving town” in the procedural handbook?

      You dems are just as stupid as the republicans you bash. You think facts only matter when its convenient for your party. Democrats are on the losing end of this party. All polls show this.

      1. Riley says:

        Sorry but the Dems are doing nothing new. This same idea has been used in many different states over the years. I know Minnesota for one. The republicans will find out the next elections how popular they are when they are removed from office.

      2. yeliR says:

        It’s nothing new to leave the state for which you work for to avoid losing? Tell meof the time when a political party has abandoned their work so they could get their way…

  3. John says:

    The threats are not good, but they need to get back to work. I hope they are not getting paid to run? Who is paying for their hotels?

    1. Tom says:

      You the tax payer…..

      1. Ralph says:

        do not comment if you are ignorant, They are

  4. Kathi Malone says:

    Walker was elected to a job, now he should stop being a dictator and do his job.

    1. John says:

      He was elected to do just the job he is trying to do – balance the budget!!!! – No matter where cuts are made someone is not going to be happy. If you don’t like the way he is doing the job you are welcome to run against him in the next election

    2. KM says:

      Considering he ran a very public campaign about what he would do if elected, he is doing the job the voters elected him to do!

      1. BUZZCUT says:

        Show me one time Walker said in the campaign he would eliminate colective bargaining for public sector workers.

      2. Mike says:

        http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20101103/GPG0101/101103132/1978&located=rss

        This article, from Nov 3 2010 states: ” Walker’s promised to help pay for the tax cuts with $300 million a year in spending cuts, on top of other concessions he’ll seek from state workers and elsewhere.”

    3. Ryan says:

      So wait a second – Walker campaigns on rolling back the unions…..and then Wisconsin voters not only elect Walker but also a republican majority in their state legislature……and Walker proposes cutting back the unions just as he promised in his campaign and somehow he isnt doing his job?

      Do you democrats have any idea how hypocritical you sound right now?

  5. Randy says:

    Albert,

    At least the Republicans showed up to work to filibuster! I guess Democracy only works when its in your favor. Republicans had to swallow hard on Health Care but they found a way to show up to work and cast their votes. Democrates dont want to show up unless they know they are going to win. Sorry, the US is still a Democracy in which majority rules.

    1. JB says:

      Well said Randy! Here! Here!

      1. albert says:

        Nope. Majority does not rule in this case. Specifically, in the senate there is the filibuster rule. Apparently, in the constitution of wisconsin and indiana at least there is a rule about a quorum for certain legislation.

        The rights of the minority in these particular cases were SPECIFICALLY PROTECTED.

        Think about it. The reflublicans are trying to pass a law making it illegal to TALK ABOUT CERTAIN THINGS during negotiations. They always lose before mediators, so they try to change the rules.

        “When fascism comes to the US, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a bible” – Sinclair Lewis

        Wow, talk about being right.

      2. Ryan says:

        Albert – So what you are saying is that the teachers are ok with the public paying for 93% of their benefit packages while many of these SAME middle class non union folks are also on food stamps?

        You democrats act like you actually understand the definition of the word selfish.

      3. albert says:

        No Ryan, you ignorant tampon. I never mentioned anything about benefit levels. I said they were being prevented from discussing certain topics.

    2. America the Critical says:

      Obama ran on reforming health care. Walker did not run on a platform of busting unions and blaming public employees while passing huge tax cuts for businesses. There’s a bit of difference there. Interesting to note that the head of the Wisconsin Police Federation announced that his organization regret they endorsed Walker last year.

      1. John says:

        Well he is free to endorse someone different next election

      2. Ryan says:

        And there’s all kind of folks that regret endorsing Obama and many other politicians that were eventually elected into office. What’s your point?

        If we could rewind the clock Im sure most of America would like to have a redux of the elections of 2008.

      3. Ryan says:

        Just for the record – what Obama ran on for healthcare reform in 2008 looks very different from what was actually passed. But of course – who needs context when you can repeat the same empty talking points

      4. nc says:

        Obama ran on health care and he let the Republicans,Pharma, insurance companies etc. have months to strip out everything that would make it a good policy and then the Republicans voted against it.
        This is different, a group from DC was running ads on the radio to drum up support for the Bill before the Dems knew anything about it.
        “REPRESENTATIVE Gordon N. Hintz:
        Thank you, Mr Speaker. So, what we heard, that we may or we may not get an emergency bill, we may get a repair bill, I found out from the radio. From a Washington DC interest group. What does that have to do with Wisconsin? And then, it’s 144 pages. And then, we get briefed on Monday and I’m told we’re gonna vote on it on Thursday or Friday. And then when we ask for public hearings, well, and the public wants to speak out, you cut them off. This isn’t how we do things to each other. It’s not how things get introduced, and it’s just simply not what we do to the public. If you want to jam through a bill, you got to sit through the messy process that is democracy. Source: LYBIO.net When we sit there in 4th grade and we learn about Wisconsin government and we learn about US government, we learn about how amazing it was that they came together. But we also learn that it was bloody, that people had to fight for it, and they wanted to make it hard to do big things. You’re supposed to be a deliberative body. You’re supposed to have discussions. And you’re supposed to be transparent, because the public matters in all of this input. And then, when we keep the hearings going and we honestly look at the bill, it’s 144 pages, we find out that there’s things like $47 million of federal aid cut. And my city writes me and said ‘yes, we will have to close our bus system.’ And when I have an honest amendment to carve that out, and I want to get it submitted, we show up here, and you guys are gonna vote without us three minutes before you told us to be here. Are you seeing a pattern here? I find out from the radio from some group I don’t even know who it is. And then when the public wants to talk you cut ‘em off. And then when we show up to vote, when we show up to vote, I am elected, I get it, I am in the minority, you’re right there’s only a bunch of us. But if you want to know why there are 35,000 people here, look at yourself in the mirror. And how about a little respect, at least to your colleagues?

        Gordon Hintz – Representative On The Budget Repair Bill. I deserve better than that. And it’s bad enough, it’s bad enough that I had to hear it from a radio ad from Washington DC, and then show up at a meeting with no details. Complete Full Script, Dialogue, Remarks, Saying, Quotes, Words And Text.

        On LYBIO.net the Complete Collection Of Accurate Speeches, Text, Words, Quotes and Lyrics. http://www.lybio.net

    3. Dan says:

      Wisconsin has an anti-filibuster law, which is why the dems left the state. As noted above, leaving is the equivalent of a filibuster because it’s giving time for the bill to actually be noticed and debated over by the public.

    4. shirley says:

      Randy, democracy in which the majority rule, walker say’s this is how it’s going to be like it or leave. walker left the negotiating table before the democrat’s did. But you voted for him. He needs to look after the wealthy(the ones who bought him his postion as governor,) cause they’re going to bring the jobs in?? The unions are at least giving the middle class job’s.

      1. Ryan says:

        The middle class are the ones footing the bill for the benefit packages!

        Who do you think will benefit the most from eliminating PUBLIC SECTOR collective bargaining rights? The rich? The rich dont advocate for big government. Liberals do. The middle and lower class will get the most in RETURN financially from busting up the public sector unions. My god, it amazes me how you people just repeat talking points without actually understanding their real world application.

        Public sector unions are not funded in the same way that government programs like Medicare are. I wonder how many of you liberals actually understand that?

    5. BUZZCUT says:

      Majority does not rule. We found that out in the U.S. Senate only a super majority rules. You need 60 votes not 50 to pass your party pipe dreams. Our country built a slow legistration process so a simple 51-50 majority does not rule.

    6. NRK says:

      There is no process for a filibuster in the Wisconsin state constitution or in the rules for the Wisconsin senate. The only rule they that was available for the Demacrates to use to stop the vote and force the Repulicans to reconsider what they are taking away from the people that work for them is that it takes a minimum of 20 senators to vote on anything that has to do with state spending. If they could filibuster they would have.

      The real questions is what are the Wisconsin Rebuplicans giving up as they take this away to the rest of the people that work for the state? and why is there no report about what recently happened in Wyoming? Wyoming legislators recently asked the state employees to take up to a 3% pay cut, and they gave themselves a 10% or higher pay cut. The Wisconsin Rebuplicans are taking a lot away from the people that work for them and are giving up nothing in return, instead they are spending more money on the big companies that help them buy thier offices. If they were giving up at least as much as they are taking away, the people in Wisconsin would be more willing to accept this budget solution. But since they are taking money from middle case working citizens and giving it to themselves the people of Wisconsin, and the rest of the US, should be in an uproar.

  6. Dan says:

    These Democrats are analogous to the little kid that takes his baseball bat home because he does not like the way they are playing. It’s time these cowards return to Madison and participate in the process the way it is intended. The people of WI have issued a mandate and it is time to carry it out and stop listening to the entitled few dissenters. Stop listening to the liberal rhetoric and realize that the bill only limits increases in salary to cost of living etc. AFSCME is like a virus, it’s time they share reality with the rest of John Q. Public instead of acting like they are living on an island.

  7. Ed says:

    Scary thing is some people believe that running away from doing the job they were elected to do is a good thing.

  8. Ignorance must be bliss says:

    Yes they were elected to do a job, and the people who voted for these reps are the same 68,000 people that are at the capital right now protesting. So these reps are doing their jobs and working for the constituents that voted for them. How is it this hard to understand and why do you post this every time there is a story about this?

    1. John says:

      So your saying that only the 68,000 who voted for the Democtrats are the ones who count???? How about who all the other people who voted in Wisc. Those 14 democrates represent all of the state of Wisc.not only the democrats of that state

    2. Ryan says:

      Im not sure if you’ve noticed this or not….or if statistics even matter to people like you but there’s far more than 68,000 people in Milwaukee alone. In fact, there’s more than 68,000 people in Milwaukee that voted for Walker!

      Plus, union membership is close to 10% of the workforce nationwide. Think about it, for every 10 workers only 1 of them is in the union. And you consider this the majority? Plus, what about the other republican legislators that obviously represent their electorate who wanted them to pursue this legislation……or does that not matter in fantasyland?

      1. sabrina says:

        Ryan, you must work in the business industry. If you were a teacher, you wouldn’t have enough time to reply endlessly throughout the day to this thread!!

      2. Heidi says:

        Why do you think your jobs are any more important that the private sector people. Its called we all have to depend on each other. If we don’t make these cuts you all will start losing jobs and then I guess you will be like the rest of us. HOW DARE YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE IMMUNE. I’m sorry but the fact that I have to contribute to your own retirement and my own and when I finally get to retiring age I most likely won’t even see the money that I was trying to save for myself because it will go to all the government pension people who are currently GUARANTEED this by law?? WOW that is really fair isn’t. Let me bust myself for myself only to just give it away for everyone else, so I cannot take care of myself or afford my prescriptions, etc when I get older. Swallow the jagged pill – everyone needs to conceed in these times whether we like it or not. But I guess bankruptcy is the logical solution..OOPS! I must have missed that memo. This is so much bigger than the jobs of the governemnt, and the union only represents a small portion of the entire United States working class.
        Filibuster or not — get your butts back to work and fix the problems of our state.

  9. fedupwithallofthem says:

    So this is what it comes to cowards and bullies either way no one wins. Maybe we should stage a massive protest and kick all the republicans and democrats out just like they did in egypt and start over. This is so stupid on both parts what a great choice we have cowards or bullies to choose from.

  10. JS says:

    Unbelievable!….this group of dems hiding out when they should be back in Madison and at least representing the dems that put them in office. Accept the fact that the majority of Wisconsin tax payers are supporting Walker and his colleagues to do the right thing, and get a handle on the purse strings. When you are broke, you have to take the proper measures. And if all you dems keep calling the republicans rich and the dems are not…..what the heck do you think those hotels are costing in Chicago? Has nothing to do with rich or middle class…just conservative vs. spending liberal dems.

  11. cindy says:

    Didn’t WI elect Walker? What’s the problem, there’s a vote / people cast their vote / now you live with what you voted for…didn’t vote? A no vote is still a vote.

    Grow up WI

    grow the H up!!!

  12. travis says:

    why is it that when the tea party protested, it was called patriotism. When people are protesting for their actulal rights its called… well whatever you people are calling it. disgusting.

    1. K-Rod says:

      “actulal rights”????

      Where is the right to make others pay for your retirement?

      You’ve got some homework to do, boy.

  13. travis says:

    also… these people are not fighting for more money… they’re not fighting to keep their saleries… They have conceeded these… they agree these things need to be adjusted. The only thing they are saying is that they will not give up their rights as a union.

    1. cerin218 says:

      Why do government workers need a union?

      1. K-Rod says:

        Imagine Medtronic bargining with a union over taxpayers paying for more benefits for Medtronic employees…

  14. Glenn Anderson says:

    when the unions are gone you will be working 14 hours a day for 2 dollars an hour

    1. John says:

      Thats funny. Less than 10% of the work force is in a union and I don’t see the other 90% working 14 Hr’s a day or for $2.00 a Hr. What do they do to you peole to Brainwash all of you?????????

      1. nc says:

        The rest of us lost half our wages and all our benefits. We now work for $8 to $12 an hour and live in fear of losing our jobs if we complain. The good thing is that our taxes are much lower.

        I hope that the public workers keep their unions and that we too could be paid a living wage some day soon.

    2. Matt says:

      There are gov’t regulations that set working conditions and minimum wage today. Public unions are a thing of the past.

      1. Tuff says:

        I work in the private sector. I am also in danger of losing my job if I complain. Therefore, if I don’t like it I will go and find a new job.

  15. Dan says:

    Dear Ignorance and company, it is estimated that 2,186,174 WI citizens voted in the 2010 election. Your statement that the 68,000 (assuming they all voted and are from WI) must be represented, means that you believe that 4% (rounded) of the voters should be able to hold the other 2,118,174 hostage to their demands? Check the stats: http:/gab.wi.gov/elections-voting/statistics Come on now, what school system do you represent?

    1. albert says:

      Ah, but polling says that 58% AGREE with those 68,000, so we are looking at 1,119,980 cheering them on.

      Not so clear cut now, ‘eh?

      1. Hang em high says:

        Wrong…todays Ras poll show 48% of voters are against the Union…iwth 38% of the voters for the Union…nice spin try….

      2. John says:

        Care to share where that Poll came from??????

    2. Ignorance must be bliss says:

      Dear Dan
      Are all of the 2,186,174 voters that you are talking about in the same districts? If not then I would assume that the stats that you want me to check are not going to be what you think they are. Let the grownups talk now please.

  16. juls says:

    Because it’s ok for the tea party to speak without facts. Just look who is always in the public spotlight. I guarantee that none of these people pay their fair share of taxes either. Wisconsin doesn’t pay the unions the teachers do. But it isn’t just about the teachers, they just have the biggest group so they are more in the spotlight. There is no right way to go about this. When you look at the tea party side there is always someone on the top leading that is taking all the working class and poor people’s money. On the other side the union officials they saw a way to do 2 things more or less that’s to make a quick buck while helping workers get better pay, benefits, a suitable work environment. Neither of these leaders probably pay their fair share instead we keep picking up the tab one way or another. I don’t understand why they wouldn’t just try to compromise. All it does is put the private working class and poor against the public working class and poor. Yes some of them are poor. You might not think that but some of them are. What the American people should do they never will, what happened to defending the country standing by each others side? All I see is sleazy politicians on federal and state levels coating their pockets with the deals they made before they were elected or reelected, and telling the rest of us to just deal with it. Health insurance was suppose to be made more affordable and not to deny anyone, that’s not the case. Everyone will be broke when that law takes effect. The tea party ain’t going to do anything for any of us neither is the unions for that matter. Personally I think everyday people the ones struggling and living comfortably could balance the budget better than any of those fools. They are not looking out for any of us just themselves and their buddies that run insurance companies and the fat cats out on wall street. So maybe we should stand united, public and private employees are not the enemy.

    1. Erica says:

      Wisconsin elected the gov and legislature not the tea party. This issue was well debated at election time and the people have spoken. Its over and you should get over it. Its the way the system works.

  17. totellthetruth says:

    Who do you suppose is paying for this little trip? We may as well send some homeless people to stay in their own homes since they are not using them. Could someone post the addresses on here? I got a couple people in mind that I will drop off. Gee, you know if I could work like that, I mean get paid to do a job and then run away and hide and still get paid for doing nothing. I have heard of that kind of job before. I believe it is called Socialism…….. I wish there was a way we could dock their wages. After all, it is us they are screwing over!

  18. Another Bob says:

    The only unions being talked about are the ones that DID NOT give money to Walker’s campaign.

    1. John says:

      I guess they should have Gave then!!!!

  19. Another Bob says:

    So dreaming of killing people makes you wake up happy?

    Wow, we’ve got bigger problems than the budget.

  20. RW says:

    State Unions got started for one reason. The legislators and governor wanted to get away from giving the same pay raise to employees that they give themselves.

  21. tiredandretired says:

    Welcome to the new “Domocracy”: American government is singling out and vilifying one group of citizens, while inciting hatred toward them from other citizens. They are acting in a hateful manner; lashing out at citizen groups that did not support them politically, taking away citizens’ rights, and threatening military action against those who exercise their right to free speech. That same government is lying to citizens, in order to gain support for their position. The media is complicit in this endeavor (i.e., delivering a steady stream of government propaganda). When this happens anywhere else in the world, this same hypocritical government screams about the violation of human rights. If we allow this government to violate our human rights, we will rapidly decline into the realm of those third world countries that we have long criticized.

    1. Leslie says:

      What have you been listening to radio free Venezuala?

  22. jon says:

    Don’t the protester’s have jobs?

    1. John says:

      Yes some of them do. But they have the Union behind them and unlike most employee’s that would loose their jobs if they walked off of them for 3 days the union says go ahead – We got your Back – And union people wonder why NORMAL people think Unions are EVIL !!!!!

  23. Trevor says:

    After what happened in Az you really are a sicko to post the BS you did..hope they track you down and lock you up…you are another sick Teapublican and we’ve had enough of your kind..

  24. LizB says:

    No, he didn’t campaign on eliminating collection bargaining, which is exactly why he has now lost the support of both the police and the firefighters unions. Even the Chamber of Commerce has called for him to back off. Pretty bad when the Chamber goes after a Republican….

  25. LizB says:

    Sorry, “collective.”

  26. MN guy says:

    Many of you still do not get it. America is in the process of revolutionary change that is going to happen in EVERY state with budget problems. You can scream and write emails, but the Wisconsin Governor and legislator are doing exactly what they were elected to do. We are witnessing history. It is a very exciting time to be alive!

    1. LizB says:

      What we’re witnessing is hardly revolutionary. We’ve seen this movie before, and a lot of us thought that the days where workers had no rights WAS history. I for one am not very excited about a return to those times.

      1. Drae says:

        Reign in the hyperbole. Honestly – what a distorted pile of nonsense. This is about renegotiating these contracts or breaking them, because there is no money to uphold these contracts. Limiting benefit negotiations will save money. For example, collective bargaining in WI for health insurance is wasting $68 million a year because they use the union health plan instead of the state health plan. Know why? To benefit labor leaders. The only people who will truly be hurt by this is union bosses bilking the tax payers for millions – every year!

  27. YIBBIE says:

    Recall Walker !!! and the REST OF THE GOP !!!

  28. Gary says:

    Non union worker’s are just jealous cuz union job’s pay more money. Too bad people, U just picked the wrong job. That is entirly your fault, not the union’s. What would U say if Walker wanted to cut non-union pay by 15% to 20%?? I bet U would go Wha, Wha, all the way home.

    1. nc says:

      Non union workers have had their pay cut in half or more in the past 10 years by layoffs due to plant closings. Most of them are in their 40s and 50s. They are forced to start over with entry level pay for the jobs they did before the lay off with NO benefits.
      Keep going unions! I stand with you! If you win it might be possible that we too in the private sectorwill recover livable wages and benefits again.

    2. Drae says:

      Private workers have the free market to cut their pay and benefits. Public workers are protected from this, but not for long. Google Prichard, Alabama.

  29. M says:

    Dems want to be called the, “Democratic” Party but the brats ignore the legal process whenever they want to get their way. Also note, over the last few years dems have called for the involuntary servatude know as “The Draft”, and have been saying that we should pull back troops because, “Some countries aren’t ready for democracy.” (I guess obama disagrees with a lot of democrats since our troops are still fighting.)
    Years of unions electing politicians who will promise anything for power…finally have to be reconned with. Good luck all.

    1. helper says:

      Isn’t this exactly what the republicans are doing you imbicil…

    2. Drae says:

      More name calling from “helper.” Can’t refute facts, so resorts to insults.

      Stay classy and “smarter,” helper.

  30. Melissa says:

    I think this would be a funny SNL skit: Men in suits shirking in the dark, jumping into hybrid cars, and racing toward the border. Then, men in uniform searching through hotels, banging on doors, “hey dems! Come out with your voting hands up!”

  31. Drae says:

    “Nothing is more dangerous to public welfare than to admit that hired servants of the State can dictate to the government the hours, the wages and conditions under which they will carry on essential services vital to the welfare, safety, and security of the citizen. ”

    This came from the notorious union busting New York Supreme Court. In 1943.

    Public Unions keep your taxes high. You don’t have to take my word for it. The truth is out there.

  32. Drae says:

    Go WI DEMS! Stick it to those greedy little public school brats! Rah-rah-rah! Steal $68 million a year from education so we can make big labor bosses richer! YAY!

    http://www.wbay.com/Global/story.asp?S=14068315

    1. LizB says:

      Good lord. Talk about hyperbole.

      1. Drae says:

        Actually – it’s called sarcasm. I was using it to make a point.

  33. Gpa says:

    So when this issue visits MN. Do will still get a state sponsered stadium?

  34. Gpa says:

    Meant “do we still get a state sponsered stadium?”

  35. Mike says:

    I have no problem with them hiding. All I can say is they had better not be collecting a check if there not working. Fact is if your not doing your job then you shouldn’t be collecting any money.

  36. It's time to go. says:

    http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2010/08/obamas-agenda-to-destroy-few-remaining.html

    A person in Oregon contributes NOTHING to their healthcare costs, and by age 55 they can retire with a FULL pension.

    “But these expensive benefits and the high taxes that fund them have wreaked havoc on state economies.”

    “About a dozen states have decided not to play this game and do not collectively bargain with government workers. Virginia and North Carolina outlaw it altogether. This has proved a prudent decision. When was the last time you read about the Virginia budget crisis? States without government employee unions have weathered the recession much better than those with them.”

  37. Yoddle says:

    http://lefan-o-rama.tumblr.com/post/3403046920/ive-seen-several-versions-of-a-tweet-saying-that

    There is no relationship between ACT scores and if a state has collective bargaining rights.

  38. Drae says:

    @ Helper – You have contributed nothing but name calling to this conversation. Not one fact to support your position, not one statistic, nothing but ugly sentiments for your fellow Americans. Not much of a “helper,” are you? Unless you’re trying to increase the sort of ugliness everyone was condemning after Tucson. Keep dehumanizing your opposition, then wonder why politics in America is in the state it’s in, pal.

    In the end, this makes me think your position can’t be supported by any facts. Good job!

  39. Jake says:

    At what point is it a matter of actually evaluating the merits? Does anyone believe teachers are underpaid? Is honestly anyone arguing that our public education has improved during the era of “collective bargaining” by public employees?

    I suppose if you get paid a lot (compared to median income), amazing pension and health care, and have guaranteed employment with a lot of time off, it makes sense to tether one’s self to 19th century factory workers as a means to gain sympathy and support from the public who is unwittingly paying you so much. It also makes sense for the Democrats to feign outrage and flee because they have relied heavily on the financial, campaign, and electoral support of public employees.

    What percentage of public employees vote primarily for Democrats? The numbers I have seen exceed 80%. That would explain the basis for the flight to Illinois. Not so much for the merits of the argument (because they have yet to make a common sense, objective argument), but to hide an ox they don’t want gored.

    1. Drae says:

      Exactly, Jake. As this debate continues to unfold, we will continue to see the left run away, because they can’t argue the merits of their position.

  40. Ann says:

    Jeez, can’t we all get along! I would NEVER work a union job. Sorry but NO.
    The Democrats are always calling for money, I tell them no, I’m not interested in donating to their cause anymore, I don’t think they work for the common folk like me anymore. But I do tell them, you bothered me in my home so now i bother you, I VOTE FOR 1 REPUBLICAN for every phone call from the Democrats. And i tell telemarketers if they call back to my number, I will forward their # to the democrats and tell them they will be happy to donate toward their cause LOL

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