Wis. Governor Proposes Deep Cuts For Schools

MADISON, Wis. (WCCO/AP) — Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker has released a two-year budget plan that cuts $1.5 billion in aid to public schools and local governments. It also avoids tax or fee increases, employee furloughs or widespread layoffs — if his contentious collective bargaining proposal is put in place.

The Republican governor is refusing to budge on a plan to eliminate most public employee collective bargaining rights. The proposal has stirred a national debate and drawn tens of thousands of protesters to the Capitol.

Walker released a full budget plan Tuesday that he says bolsters his argument for union concessions to deal with a projected $3.6 billion budget shortfall.

He says eliminating most collective bargaining will allow state agencies, local governments and school districts flexibility to react quickly to the cuts he’s proposing.

The effects of such cuts would vary by community.

“The city of Hudson receives, in comparison, a relatively small amount of shared revenue. Historically, about $200,000,” said Devin Willi, Hudson’s city manager.

However, not all cities in Wisconsin receive similar amounts of aid.

“River Falls, for example, receives over $2 million annually,” said Willi.

Democrats are criticizing the proposed cuts. Wisconsin Rep. Tamara Grigsby said the Republican governor is “waging war” on Wisconsin families by trying to cut funding for schools and public assistance programs.

WCCO’s Bruce Hagevik Interviews Devin Willi

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  1. Another Bob says:

    Say bye to the 5 day work week, 8 hour day and 40 hour weeks.

    Right to work states (no unions) means they can fire you at any time for any or no cause.

    People need to study a little history and see where we would be without unions.

    1. Qball says:

      If your a bad employee you should be fired, there was a time that we needed Unions and this is not the time!

      1. gcm says:

        All union contracts both public and private provide the means for management to discipline and terminate under-performing and/or poor employees. You really have no idea of what you speak of.

    2. Tbone says:

      Show me one teacher that works 40 hours, 5 days or even 8 hours? Then consider summers off where you can work another job or business? What other union allows this? What about all the government holidays? Paid teachers “conferences” at resorts. Above average pay for a “public servant”. A “job for life” once you have tenor, even if your a really bad teacher. Retirement at age 50. “Cadillac” insurance program. My aunt was a teacher and she always told me it was “the best racket you can get yourself into”. I should have listened to her.

      1. gcm says:

        tbone works manual labor and is not very happy. All others must suffer.

      2. Drew says:

        Judging by your writing, it’s not fair to call you out for not knowing what teachers do -you’ve never been to a school. There’s still time for you to pass 4th grade, Tbone!!! Don’t give up!!!!! The difference between tenor and tenure can be tricky. And “your” vs. “you’re” can trip up even the most astute 7 year old.

    3. Chris says:

      Another Bob, Look up your own informaton…
      The right to work only eliminates the required payment of union dues.
      Also, quit exaggerating by saying that conditions will be worse!

    4. mnworker says:

      TBone, you don’t have a clue. Your aunt must have been one of the “bad” teachers everyone is bashing. All of the teachers I know put in a full 8 hours plus. The contracts are taking their prep time away, so the day is full with teaching. So all prep work (grading, preparing class presentations, learning the new curriculum, teaching summer school, advising children, etc.) is all done AFTER they put in a full day.

      I’m really getting tired of people saying that teachers are lazy bums. Really, educate yourself on what really happens in your school system before you mouth off your idiotic opinions. It’s really getting tiring the bashing of middle class workers (THAT R JUST LIKE YOU!)

    5. tiredandretired says:

      Tbone: Your post is full of lies, half truths, and exaggerations. If teaching is such a great deal, why aren’t you jumping on that “gravy train”? We both know why; you lack the talent and fortitude to become qualified, let alone do the job.

    6. Student supporter says:

      Bob, you are correct. Without unions, working conditions would not be what they are now in the US. We owe those unions credit.

      However, don’t you think unions are becoming cumbersome with regards to the educational system? Unions are an essential part to government employment, but I think their actual power should be limited.

      Unions need to focus their efforts on improving the classroom (lower class sizes, increasing student performance) rather than increasing benefits.

    7. John says:

      I love when I see this one – less than 10% of the population work for a Union and I don’t know many of the other 90% who work more than 5 days a week, or 8 Hr’s a day, or 40 Hr’s a week.

    8. TBone says:

      Public School Teachers were Public Servants, and now they Live Like Kings and Queens. Thats why I send my kids to Catholic School, where the Teachers are there because they like Teaching Kids, not because they want a Fat Paycheck and Cadillac Benefits. Many of the kids at our school are children of Public School Teachers, because they want them to get a good education from Teachers that arent in it just for the Money and Cadillac Benefit Plans.

      1. Maria L says:

        Hey Bone – we did the total opposite. 6 years at St. Joe’s and it was time to actually get out and receive an education we decided.
        I think the first couple of years there were great. The student body was great no doubt – guess when one is funding an education one has expectations. And it always helps that they had the ability to cull those they didn’t want of course.
        When the transition was made they were a bit behind to be truthful. We would do it again except make the change to public at a younger age.
        BTW – I think the world of out public school system and cannot say enough positive things about the teachers and staff. Some of the students I would like to kich the their behinds at times. Maybe it’s the age?

      2. gcm says:

        May you work for minimum wage the balance of your pathetic life.

    9. jh says:

      Good bye, slackers. Unions were important…about 90 years ago. Also, goodbye to rotary telephones, the abacus, and lazy workers who caqn’t get ahead on their own merits, like the rest of us.

      1. gcm says:

        Oh yeah, I’ve worked non-union private industry for 20 years and I really see people busting their butts…..not. Who are you trying to kid? If you’re honest with yourself you know that maybe 5% of any work force whether public/private/union or non-union are the cream of the crop and really bust it. Everyone else just thinks they are. The teaching profession is no different.

        1. Todd says:

          gcm, you are correct sir.

  2. Freedom says:

    great another gov thats wants to dumb down the people and take away our rights, if you are behind him maybe you should consider moving to Russia.

    1. Slim says:

      What?! You can go because they will invite you with open arms…
      Oh, wait… they are a capitalist country now too!! Well, go anyway…

    2. Tom says:

      Freedom

      What these conservatives / Tea Party really don’t understand is that Gov Walker can kiss their butt all he wants, but what they don’t realize that you need more than just too kiss the butt of a few too win elections. But what it also tells me that since they hate unions so much and they don’t believe that the “little guy” needs a voice too help them stand up for their rights, that they were brought up too bend over and take one for team every time they are asked to.

      1. ohoh says:

        the “little guy doesn’t make $70,000 a year” and enjoy the benefits of union thugs.
        You aren’t the little guy, you are some of the best paid and under worked in the world.

    3. Harry Dilworth says:

      They must dumb down the system or they will never get elected

    4. helper says:

      Remember this is a guy that was kicked out of Marquette College. He is a loser.

    5. Nancy says:

      Do you have vacation, weekends off, paid insurance? Thank a UNION for that you stup. Of course you may very well be on welfare to think people in the union are paid too much…….or have a low paying job because you are not in a union job, or are in a High paying job and do not see the need for others to get ahead. Sick Tom, you are sick

  3. John Skolte says:

    Idiot!! Unions make concessions agreeing to performance increases in exchange for wage/benefit concessions by management. If pay for performance is so great, why has management systematically gotten rid of it in situations where it was part of a union contract. I was in such a situation and management kept finding ways to raise the production standards, making more and more difficult to earn any “production pay”.

    1. Charlie says:

      Of course, John, welcome to the real world!
      There is a competitive need for ongoing efficiency improvement…
      That is what the unions do not get and cause the offshoring of jobs…
      But, public workers and the state do not “compete”, so it is rigged!
      They just keep asking for more and more and more… to what end?

  4. Chris says:

    If unions weren’t forcibly collecting millions of dollars for the Dems would they still be concerned bout the unions rights???

    1. Wesly says:

      If Koch was not giving Walker and his ilk millions of dollars, would the Wisconsin Republicans be concerned about decreasing corporate taxes? And yes the Democrats would still care about worker’s rights as they have tried to be the party for the working people union or not. Read up on workplace safety. Would there be anyone who cared about it without the Democrats? Do you even care about worker’s rights? Study up a little bit if you are a working person to what you would be paid without unions

  5. Carl says:

    Scott Walker was elected to do what he is doing. Also the Both Houses went to the Republicans who are doing what they said .I hope Washington has the stomach to do its job.
    That is what the people here want . Polls are just that and subject to error . Move on and let us get are budget under control .

    1. Mike says:

      Carl-When are going to make your sacrifice? Since you and your ilk want to help impact the budget and race to the bottom, why don’t you start pushing for minimum wage for everyone, including yourself? That way, will all be the same………….

      1. Ryan K says:

        I support Carl and I work at minimum wage. Unions are a joke. I support Gov. Walker we need the budget under control. We don’t deserve everything. I live within my budget I have for many years. I don’t have credit cars and car payments. Think if it this way if we all make the same wages like unions want then are money really will be worthless. We need lower wages in this country to get prices under control. Unions are greedy and ignorant.

      2. GCM says:

        RYAN K is a liar as he couldn’t even pay for an online account on minimum wage unless he’s living with mommy and daddy.

    2. william says:

      There is a difference between holding a line on a budget and workers being able to collectively bargain.

  6. Dave says:

    The situation we are in is the result of “no new taxes” battle cry that has been going on in this country for the last decade to protect the greed of the wealthy. If you take a million dollars income and spread over 20 people making 50k/yr, we each pay a fair share in taxes. You take the same million dollars income going to one person and instead of paying their fair share of the money in taxes to maintain our society, they hire tax laywyers and accountants to find loop holes so they don’t have to pay as much tax. This produces a huge shortfall in revenue. I say do a straight tax on income. You make X, your tax is X % period. This would change our situation greatly..and eliminate the IRS, cutting a huge government cost.

    1. Chris says:

      Dave, That is great and I agree with that…
      Simplifying the tax code would clean it up and result in more real tax revenue…
      Maybe MN’s Dayton will even get his “fair share” taxed a little bit!

    2. Ralph says:

      IRS would still need to monitor business and self employed

  7. Yikes says:

    How soon before he and his Band of Idiots, vote for themselves a pay raise or diem increase?
    Any chance he gets into the pensions and spiffs for his croonies (both parties) that they get?
    If you desire to make money and lifetime security just play the political puppet game.
    Wisconsin may be headed back to the cotton fields. Make it snow fields. Drink up Wisconsin and load up your rifles as soon as he slices apart the cops unions and such …. you’ll need them 😉

    1. Chris says:

      Yikes, you are so over the top rediculous…
      Speaking of rackets, politics and unions have always gone hand in hand…
      Also, that is just speculation that the Gov would have intentions to raise their own $$$ and I highly doubt it… Let’s stick to the facts as you are really stretching for more scare tactics!

      1. DANO says:

        I guess walker taking money from the Koch bro’s isn’t a racket either huh>? As for dues, we are glad to pay them. At least we don’t lay down like you do. You really need to get an education. OH, i forgot, you don’t believe in people getting a good education. I guess that is why your stupidity is only exceded by your ignorance..
        Did you make thru the 8th grade?

  8. College Professor says:

    its funny how the people that didnt get college degrees are calling those that did “idiots”.

    1. tiredandretired says:

      Yeah, it’s always interesting how so many of the “smart guys” end up working for the “dumb guys.”

      1. UrnoProf says:

        How do you know if “THOSE” people have a college degree or not?? You friggen idiot

    2. tom says:

      just because you have a college degree does not mean you know something. the only thing a college degree shows is you paid way more for a piece of paper than the avg joe would have. You are still going to earn as much as the reg worker in the real world. college degree=10.00 warehouse job, without degree=9.75 warehouse job.

      1. Mark says:

        College Degree = Increased Critical Thinking Skills = Not Letting Republicans Con You Into Voting Against Yourself

  9. BUZZCUT says:

    What is Walker’s personal health care & pension plan as a governor?

    We oughta know this; and is his taking any cuts to help the budget maybe he should go three days without pay like others did under Doyle.

    1. NRA Guy says:

      They shall never openly offer this up. You know – typical double speal and all.😉

  10. L.BADGER SR. says:

    It seems the Republican Senate is buckling…….Rumor has it from NBC….They have a Senator who is trying to convert 2 more.if 3 go to the Dem side.the bill is totally DEFEATED.

    1. mnworker says:

      Best news I’ve heard all day

    2. Slim says:

      Yeah, sure…. How about them protesters?
      We are so impressed by the kids having a party in the capitol…
      How many union workers and teachers are even left there?

  11. Incredulous1 says:

    Put on a flag lapel pin and help those in the corporate board rooms and you too can become a darling.

    1. Charlie says:

      Can you translate that for us?
      You must have a point to make here, but I don’t get it…
      Also, aren’t we talking about public union employees here?
      Since when do they have corporate board rooms in State government?
      Looks like one heck of a stretch again… give it up already!

  12. TLC says:

    Forgive me, but isn’t it the Republicans that keep saying that we shouldn’t have our children pay for our debt? If that’s the case, then what is taking the money from the schools doing???
    I think that if our children have to pay for our debts, it’s better to have them pay when they are adults rather than when they are still children.

  13. Mark says:

    You wont be so GO GO Walker when your kids get a poor education due to extreme classroom sizes, No extracurricular activities, or you need to spend more of your own money for school supplies because the schools cant afford to purchase them. Then you can whine about how the kids have nothing to do, or all of the sports programs have been cancelled. There is so much more to this then you think.

  14. tiredandretired says:

    I find it interesting that Tea Partiers and other Republican corporate shills are hating on public workers, based on their expectation that pay should be the same for all. Isn’t that socialism?

    1. Ginger Shepla says:

      Who said pay should be the same for all? I think you misunderstand that public workers get paid from taxes collected. In order to keep their pay and benefits as high as they are, taxes are going to have to go up. So, the public workers are just fine taking from everyone else for their own selfish desires. Pretty sad.

      1. tiredandretired says:

        When dairy prices go up, do you demand that farmers take a pay cut? They are highly subsidized, as are most private sector employers. We all pay each others’ wages; pull your head out of the abyss.

      2. Chris says:

        “Most private sector employers are heavily subsidized” ARE YOU SERIOUS?!

        STOP WITH THE LIES AGAIN AS THAT IS TOTALLY MADE UP…

        YOU SHOULD BE EMBARRASSED FOR PULLING THAT!

        BAD INFORMATION DOES NOT HELP HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      3. gcm says:

        Ginger Shepla is smart like floor

      4. gcm says:

        Yes Chris the tool, most everyone is subsidized in one way or another…….think tax breaks for hiring, cash for clunkers, farm subsidies. Oh, and unless you live in a major metropolitan area you are fully subsidized by the taxpayers.

  15. tiredandretired says:

    Gov. Wanker to reveal ultimate intentions? LOL! He’s lied to us at every turn; why should we believe him now?

  16. Ben O. says:

    Another great day at ‘cco in the censurship department … again.
    It’s becoming quite the joke with all the censureship, were posts here 30 minutes ago are now gone. Yet others more pointed remain.
    Aaaaah – KARE11. You now get my boob tube time.🙂
    To bad the Twins jumped ship …. left for the enemy way back on radio too. Is the great neighbor losing it?

  17. Tom says:

    Right on Walker

    Another typical conservative comment!

  18. Bob says:

    I am retired-worked all my life for companies that had no unions. They were able to make financial decisions as needed to keep their companies healthy and keep my job intact. What I learned was that if you are a good employee, you don’t have to worry about unions (or pay them and keep union leaders in jobs). The free enterprise system works without unions if given a chance. I have a friend from West Virginia that said unions there did such a good job of negotiating wages and benefits that many mining companies went out of business and they now have a lot of unemployment.

    1. Chuck says:

      So true… Thanks for sharing!

  19. The Greatest, Not Greediest, Generation says:

    Tbone:

    Your post is one of ignorance.. You want to see a teacher who works more than 40 hours a week? Walk into any public school in the state!!! Speaking of that – when was the last time you spent a day in a public school? I can guess the answer, and all of your assertions are pure guesses, too.

    1. Slim says:

      Well, you got the “greediest” part right!

  20. helper says:

    He’s such a pawn to the large corporations. I can’t believe republicans are so gullible to support him. By the time they figure out what’s going on the wool will have been completely pulled over their eyes.

    1. Charlie says:

      Helper, What the heck are you referring to again?

      We have already set you straight on the bills that have been passed so far…

      Resulting in no Corp tax breaks and only credits for jobs created…

      And we have clarified that we are talking about public union employees, right?

      So stop with the exaggerations and made up stuff that even you know is false!

      1. gcm says:

        Let’s see, a tax credit for hiring an employee doesn’t qualify as a tax break? What is your crazy logic on this one?

  21. PK says:

    TBone:
    My husband and several friends are teachers. They work 40+ hours! They take home work, grade tests and papers and do lessons plans. They conduct parent/teacher conferences, attend school functions and are available to parents before and after school. They go to school in the summer to better themselves which enriches the students more. They also teach summer school. My husband only has about 2 weeks off in the summer (in between regular class sessions and summer school). Pull your head out of the sand!

    The scary thing is this bill has more than just the attack on Unions in it. It also enables the State to sell off precious land to anyone they want. Can you say Koch Brothers? You talk about the Unions contributing to the Dems? What about the billionaires contributing to the GOP? The Koch Bros contributed to Walkers campaign and are an integral part in this whole scheme. Why do you think Walker was so forthcoming with info when he got punked by someone pretending to be David Koch? He fully intends to sell WI land to those creeps for cheap so they can continue to fill his coffers! Read the between the lines WI constituents! The middle class is about to go extinct!

    1. Chris says:

      Oh stop it already!

      What color is the sky in your world as you are dreaming…

      Is everything a conspriracy for you?

      That must be why the unions (public and private) seem OK to you…

      1. gcm says:

        Chris you are so bright it’s scary. If you hate private unions as well and love big business I’m sure you’re very pleased with all of your contributions to the Airline and Auto industry bankrupted pensions. Since the govt allowed them all to file bankruptcy to eliminate their pension obligations you (I might be assuming here), I and all other taxpayers now get to pay for those pensions via the Pension Guaranty Corp. So not only did the workers that toiled their whole career get screwed out of a contractual obligation but so did the taxpayers. Chalk another one up for big business.

  22. Richard says:

    I guess, Wisconsin will have to go back to what it does best, drink beer and cut the cheese.

    1. badteach says:

      LOL, the teachers might as well drink beer and cut the cheese as they are cuttin class and making the students pay for lost days of school. Gee wiz I thought that is why they became teachers ~ they are to teach and not skip school. BAD BAD teachers in Wi.
      Oh boo hoo, they will have a pay cut!! Its a sign of the times and you don’t wanna be left out now do ya!! Stop whinning!!

  23. Murph says:

    If he keeps this up,the courts will be able to “review” his interview with the fake Koch brother! Walker will lose HIS job!

  24. Holysmokes! says:

    For the best article I have read up to this point about the teachers union in Wisconsin, you should go to kstp radio web site. Look up Joe Soucheray and check out his Feb. 28th show. There is an article listed from a Robert Costrell, who will give you more information about why collective bargaining in Milwaukee’s teachers union is one awful situation, unless you are a teacher. It really opened my eyes, and should make every taxpayer in Wisconsin irate. I am sure this situation could be the same here in MN. Read it, and educate yourselves as to why Walker and his conservative partners need to do something about this.

    1. Joel M says:

      Long time GL’er here myself Holysmokes. I like Joe. Yet – he’s also what I will call, politely, tunnel visioned. He has an agenda. He’s getting more and more to the right. I suspect it is in an attempt to garner more market share, whcih have slipped there big time … it really doesn’t matter to me. Over the 20 years or more I lhave istened to him dating to SportsTalk way back – it’s always been the same. He dislikes unions, mostly dislikes teachers, and has his slant on all. And care is taken in the screening process. Won’t go into how I know that now😉
      That said I still often listen but with an open mind knowing that it’s just his and other like minds that spin it

      1. Holysmokes! says:

        Hi Joel, Thanks for a response. I really recommend you check it out. It is from a guy who really seems to have his facts straight. This Costrell is a recognized expert in his field. Hopefully it will at least give us all some insight as to why the taxpayers are up in arms.

      2. why you should never trust media says:

        my gads – go check out another station for the “experts” they all have doing the spin dance they want you to dance to.
        take all, slice and dice it apart and then maybe part truth and fact shows up. and there is no such thing as absolutes in the real world other than we all die at some point

      3. Charlie says:

        So can you imagine for just a second if he is on the right track and you are not?

        What does that look and feel like to you? Pretty ugly…

        So let him try to fix the problem and get us moving…

        You are like a little kid that doesn’t want to take his medicine!

  25. Dave says:

    I’m no fan of unions, but I do believe that employees have the right to collective bargain. The budget issues in Wisconsin are not the cause of unions, and for the governor to say he cannot negotiate with the collective bargaining agreement is bogus. Everyone knows there is a need for cuts in budgets, and everyone will need to cut their budgets. This governor is obviously looking for a national political office. If we want to stop the budget issues, we need to stop giving out the corporate welfare given to major corporations who continually move the jobs from the US to overseas. These corporations continue to pay minimal taxes, and claim they are paying way too much in taxes. What the businesses want is tax free, which basically they are paying virtually tax free in revenue. The taxes most major corporations report paying is mainly the taxes they collect from their employees. If businesses want to contribute to politicians then I say they should be taxed as an individual, since corporations are considered individuals. See how they like paying the wage scale that their employees have to pay.

  26. Lisa Gonyea says:

    When you collective bagain..is ever to ask for less? It would be for increased benefits. There already is collective bargaining for wages..more benefits would just increase the cost to the taxpayer. I don’t think they would be asking for things for students..it would be for themselves.

    1. Flippen crazy it is says:

      Lisa – not necessarily per se
      What is will do is ensure you don’t get rail roaded as an individual or smaller group assuming all things equal. At least that was the way it worked in the 70’s and early 80’s when I worked for Honeywell.
      I’m not a fan of unions as a whole. I certainly do get the “why’s” and see the need for them. I suspect many here may have lost a job or been somehow taken advantage of by more than one employer over a lifetime. There is a need or unions and collective bargaining but all need to also understand it’s about negotiation in the end. Without that both sides lose. IMO some unions have over-flexed at times.I sure know employers have too.

    2. GCM says:

      In addition to their own interests (all have their own interests in mind when it relates to their personal security) they also bargain for smaller class sizes which is a direct impact on the quality of the education provided. Most rationale people would agree that’s a worthy endeavor.

  27. Lisa Gonyea says:

    I hear so much bashing of the Koch brothers contributions to Walker. If they came to Wisc and opened a business ..would that be a bad thing? Billionaires create jobs…the Unions who gave 400 million to the Dems..do they ever create jobs…except for Union bosses. What do they make??? Would love to know since it is coming out of Union Dues.

    1. Jeff Hamell says:

      And the money the Koch’s have made off us all didn’t come from a monoply they pretty much hold? Lisa — hello
      I think the case maybe could be made the union there did create jobs. I am afraid to think how large the classes would be if the districts had their way. 40-45 kids a room. lol No fan of unions but as much as you would love to say they don’t create jobs there are a whole lot of them that many here sure are complaining about now, aren’t there!
      Take a look at the way private for profit colleges are – they have loan default rates out of sight, they take in students that cannot get into other colleges, and IMO they prey on the truly poor or uneducated with fees that are way above what they will ever see. Yet we, you and I, pick up the tab here for the defaults. But the “owner” gets to reap huge profits. That sound right to you?

      1. Chris says:

        Jeff, Get your facts straight….
        what is this BS about college debt, because that is not part of the discussion…
        And who gets stuck with defaults?
        Student loans cannot be avoided, not even by filing bankruptcy…
        Please spare us the bad information…

    2. John says:

      billionares dont create jobs ,, average people ie: the middle class create jobs when they have enough income to buy things, cars homes washers dryers,,ect. billionares invest thier money to make a profit

  28. Staci B says:

    HELLO!!! This isn’t about firing bad employees! He isn’t even talking about performance or unions protecting poor performing employees. He’s talking about taking away a groups right to bargain for safe working conditions, health insurance, and other benefits. Fine, get some legislation through that makes it easier to get rid of a poor performing employee, but this has NOTHING to do with it!! Do some research into how unions run and what this bill is proposing before you bother to share your opinion!

  29. DAVE says:

    Resonse to T-bone “Show me one teacher that works 40 hours, 5 days or even 8 hours?” Hey I’m right here working typically 11 hours a day/6 days a week! I put in my 2080 hours (ave number of hours a full time person works in a YEAR) in about 31 weeks…and I’ve never had a summer off. Now this ” Paid teachers “conferences” at resorts” sounds good! Where do I sign up??? I’ve never been to one of those before either.. “Above average pay for a “public servant””…but below average pay compared to any other college professional job but that’s where we as a society put our priorities I guess.. “A “job for life” once you have tenor” Bummer wish I could sing..or maybe you mean tenure??? If a bad teacher doesn’t get fired it isn’t because he/she can’t because of tenure, it only means the administration isn’t doing their job following procedures. We don’t want bad teachers in the system any more than anyone else., “Retirement at age 50″ …. again bummer, I’m 52 must’ve missed the memo I could retiere….I’ll be like the rest of you chumps working till the day I die.” “Cadillac” insurance program”. It’s not that much better than I had when I worked in Manufacturing and is where all the cost of living increases went when we USED to get them.. “the best racket you can get yourself into”. I should have listened to her You WISH! You sound more like a politician than any teacher I would want to work with or have teach the next generation.

    1. Staci B says:

      Bravo, Dave!!! Couldn’t have said it better!

  30. Holysmokes! says:

    Go to Robert Costrell on the internet. He is a professor and educator at the University of Arkansas. Check out his credentials and read his article on collective bargaining. It WILL OPEN YOUR EYES, and make us all understand what is going on over in Wisconsin with the outrage over collective bargaining.

  31. Mark calls T-bone out says:

    T-bone – my wife teaches. Leaves at 7:10am every day. Home anywhere between 4:45 and 7:30pm. Usually between 5:15 and 5:45. 15 minute commute. I make dinner. She eats, then often corrects or talks with parents until 8-8:30. I force a stop to this on most Friday nights. Why? – because she will put in another 4-8 hours doing prep and correcting on the weekend.
    She has 176 actual classroom student days. 12-14 more for staff issues. The summer is 2-3 weeks of setting up her room and prep, misc this and that. She works about 50% more hours than me over the course of a year. I make 2x what she does. She loves her kids and is dedicated – to much so IMO but that’s her. And she’s loved for it by all.
    Spend a year doing it and then talk your talk

    1. The Greatest, Not Greediest, Generation says:

      Amen, Mark. Amen.

    2. Tbone says:

      It was all about the children, but now its all about the money and perks, or else we wouldnt be having this discussion. Thats my point and I am sticking to it.

      1. gcm says:

        tbone has brain damage, I hope the state is providing some special ed.

      2. Josh says:

        You don’t really know what you’re talking about. Nobody becomes a teacher because of the money. But teachers do have a right to earn enough to support their family. The biggest “perk” that I get being a teacher? Two scoops of potatoes in the lunch line.

  32. Ugottabe kidding me says:

    Not pertinent here except this is how they treat you if you have no support as a group. And BTW – they are OUR Vets. Fought and many died for us. They get this. I wonder if any person who voted to cut this ever has done without? quick answer – nope. Never
    http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/01/news/economy/homeless_veterans_housing_cuts/index.htm

  33. BigTodd says:

    Tbone – you really should have listened to her. My bet is one of 2 things. Both would fit the bill.
    She never said it.
    You failed at your profession (chosen) and not resent her apparent success and that of others who stick with a career.
    Which is it?

  34. Who Actually says:

    It took a while but finally we just can’t ignore economics any longer. You can lie to yourselves but at some point you can’t ignore that public unions are an expense we can no longer afford. This is starting to read like a bad novel. Similar to Qaddafi being clueless or just defiant, the union employees just can’t get it through their heads that they work for us and this is public service not private industry. All I am able to see at this point is an entitlement crowd chanting “more free stuff” over and over. The public union members will forever be revealed for their greed and selfeshness. I can’t wait for the next state to wake up.

    1. The Greatest, Not Greediest, Generation says:

      You are correct, but you are focused in the wrong direction. Trickle down economics does not work. For every $1.00 in tax breaks to corporations, less than 9 cents goes back into the public coffers to provide the services we expect in a democracy.

      Drink the Kool-Aid of “public employees bad”, “unions bad” if you wish – but that facts are against you.

    2. Victim Du Juor says:

      Me neither – they need to wake up and tax us to pay the IOU’s that are out there for literally everything done in the last 50 years. Get ready ya’ll, get ready
      btw-we also are about to collapse on the infra-structures. So double that tax.
      The free ride is indeed over. Let us just accept the fact

    3. Dave says:

      What will be revealed is how gigantic bank corporations control our money, gigantic Oil comrporations control our environment and gigantic Cororations control our work force… alL the result of GREED! Oligarchy is in full swing

    4. john says:

      GREED AND SELFISHNESS? tax breaks to the ritch and corporations caused this mess, tell me who is the greedy ones

  35. The Greatest, Not Greediest, Generation says:

    What ever he says, it will all be the fault of public employees. Scapegoating is ugly – it’s even uglier in politics. Ask a Jew.

  36. Concerto says:

    So this is how the conservatives create jobs and help the middle class. They cut their pay, their benefits and ablility to bargain for better working conditions. Meanwhile he is “making love ” to the Koch family, a super rich family that probably puts their money in off shore accounts so they don’t have to pay their fair share of taxes. Very interesting. I hope all the middle class and working class idiots that voted for this group of people see the error of their ways. THERE WOULD BE NO MIDDLE CLASS WITHOUT THE UNIONS. Your grandparents and parents were able to give you your priviledge lives because the unions were there. Read your history and see what working conditions were like before unions.

    1. Richard Micheals says:

      yep
      care to guess who I plan to vote for in future. I am struggling to find even one conserv I’d dare to vote for.
      times will be a changin’ again – both parties have been dumb at times in past. Walker takes the prize for bull headed stupidness

  37. countyourblessings says:

    I worked for a company that had just recently made some budget cuts so that they could stay in business. Some of those budget cuts meant dipping into my salary. So I decided to stop showing up for work so that I could pack a sleeping bag, camp out on my bosses lawn and picket at his front door. I was immediately fired from my job and arrested for trespassing while my coworkers took the cut in pay, kept their jobs, and the company stayed in business. Now I’m unemployed and I have an arrest on my record. That worked out well.

    1. LBADGERSR. says:

      which union were you in??

      1. countyourblessings says:

        the kind that reaps what you sow as opossed to sowing before you even reap. The kind that garuntees nothing until you’ve proved worthy.

    2. FlippIn crazy says:

      didn’t realize you could be arrested for trespassing on a piece of property that you own and are paying for.
      Good ol’ America
      Unemployed – why not learn to panhandle? Learn hands on from the locals or the Wall Street boys or even Madoff ( no, wait-bad choice. He was dumb). Plenty of greedy, and revered and envied by their peers, capitalists abound to teach you how to steal from the taxpayer and get away with it. Be creative. Ensure the BIg BIz only GOP folks have been greased thoroughly by you, and have at it. Get caught, slapped and then grab a $$$10M bonus the next year. Hurry now – space is limited in the Elite Fraternity.

      1. countyourblessings says:

        Oops. Sorry little buddy, I forgot to mention that I was metaphorically speaking so I’m not really unemployed or under arrest for trespassing and its typical for you to assume that just becasue I don’t fully support unions that I’m a GOP extremist tea-bagger type that supports way above middle class overpaid underworked CEO’s and corporate criminal sleezeballs that suck money from this country dry.

    3. gcm says:

      And now your pension went to the pension guaranty corporation so that all of us taxpayers could pay that for your old boss…..cool

  38. Disgusting protesters says:

    Have you seen what a pig pen the protesters have left at the capital? It is absolutely disgraceful and disgusting. If this is the calibre of people who are protesting there, I wouldn’t support them for all the oil in the middle east! They are worthless people!

  39. Marian says:

    Saw a clip of the protest and I swear I saw Jimmy Hoffa. When you have to ship people in to protest you know you are on the losing side. Bye bye union thugs.

  40. RENT-A-RIOT says:

    I agree they are filthy pigs. Hey, what happened to “rent-a-riot” Jesse Jackson? He blow town? Probably couldn’t stand the pig pen.

  41. Hoffa is alive and well in Madison says:

    The media apparently refuses to do a story about all the protesters who have been shipped in. Gee, I wonder why?

  42. moneyformerit says:

    Exporting spoiled brat union workers to France where they’ll fit in just swell + replacing them with unemmployed yet educated graduates who would love their jobs = a significant decrease in the American unemployment rate.

    problem solved.

  43. Mike says:

    Scot Walker for President. We need someone like this with the courage to get our financial house in order.

  44. Property Taxes are Regressive says:

    This is why property taxes go up. He’s passing the problem to the cities and counties now. Scott Walker won’t raise taxes on the top state income brackets but he will make sure property taxes go up for everyone.

  45. Concerned Teacher/Former Student says:

    My heart and thoughts go out to those poor students in Wisconsin. The education they’ll receive after this passes will be minimal. Wisconsin, you just screwed yourself 10 times over. Wisconsin HAD some of the best schools around the midwest, but times are changing… and maybe not for the better.

    1. badteacher says:

      So what your saying is the teachers will take this out on the innocent children? Wow, so … teachers in WI only went to college to become teachers for PAY! Ya mean they dont care about the kids? Figures huh!! Your comment is STUPID! Hope any teacher who really feels this way just goes off and gets another job. Then they will see what it is like to struggle. Whinning lil jerks

  46. M B says:

    The hilarity here is that while the Gov of Wisconsin is making everyone see red over this, nobody’s paying attention to the other parts of his bill.

    Namely: Having the ability to sell off the state’s power plants in no-bid deals that require no oversight or confirmation from anyone other than the governor. So, he has the power to sell off state Assets with no oversight once so ever.

    The Sheeple are so easily herded wherever those that are in power want them to go.

    Throw out a controversial education thing to distract the Sheeple and make millions in back door deals selling off the state’s power plants.

    I suggest the media look into THAT part of the bill…

  47. Jim says:

    On the subject of teachers, my granddaughter is in the 5th grade, in a public school in Hennepin County. I just ran the numbers for the days she did not have school so far this school year and those she has yet to get off. School started September 7th last year, the teachers finish on June10th. During the school year, there will have been 25 days of no school for the kids. Teacher conferences, holidays, Christmas break and spring break make up those non school days.

    You have to wonder how many teachers actually attend all of the conferences, I would suspect that they all attend some, but not all of them.

    Of course from June 10th until the beginning of school, next September the teachers are off as well.

    Add up the total number of days they work as a teacher during the year and calculating that the average salary for a teacher in Minnesota is somewhere around $48,000.00 (not including any benefits) and it is pretty safe to say that the average teacher in Minnesota is being paid pretty close to $30.00 per hour for each hour they teach or attend conferences.

    I am betting that there are a lot of Minnesotan’s that wish they could make $30.00 an hour, even if it was only for nine months out of the year, plus have a nice benefit package to boot!

    1. M B says:

      I suggest you go talk to a teacher and find out just how many of those days you think they’re off they are actually working.

      They spend at least two weeks before school starts getting ready, and at least one week closing up after the year ends. Then many of them end up teaching summer school.

      Then, you have the late nights that they are up grading papers. Oh, and needing to come into school at least an hour before it starts and often staying hours after it ends every day.

      Then you have to keep your teaching credentials current. Oh, and listening to every lazy whiny parent that comes in blaming the teacher for all their family’s woes, even when they are caused by the parents and their inability to be parents.

      Oh, and all the money you have to spend out of pocket for supplies that the district can’t afford.

      I am not a teacher, but have friends that are, and I feel bad for those that are. It’s not the dream job so many make it out to be.

      1. Jim says:

        MB, even if a teacher worked 2,080 hours a year, that’s 40 hours a week, every week, they would still be making over $20.00 an hour, plus benefits. But they don’t, even with the two weeks before school and one after school is out, they still make well over $25.00 an hour plus all their benefits. As for summer school, they get paid for that separately from the school year, it isn’t a part of their regular pay.

        And don’t tell me about teachers coming in early and going home late. I have watched many teachers pulling into the parking lot at 9:15 a.m., fifteen minutes before the bell rings to start school and if my granddaughter is late coming out the door, I see some leaving before I get out of the parking lot.

        I do not dislike teachers, most of them do a good job and care about their students, however some with tenure are biding their time until they can retire and have the same curriculum year in and year out. Unions protect tenured teacher positions too, don’t they? They shouldn’t. If you have a bad teacher who gets bad results, you should fire them, and not be stopped by the unions from doing that.

      2. gcm says:

        Although you are clueless on the time resource necessary to be an effective teacher, do you really think $20-$25/hr is a lot of money? It probably sounds like a lot to someone making minimum wage to$13-$14/hr and if that’s you then I fully support living wages for any full time job. Why do sojme of you people want people working for low pay and no benefits. What are all of these comments coming from the Wal Mart intranet?

      3. Jim says:

        GCM, $40,000 + is a living wage. I taught at St. Cloud State College before it was a university. I know about teaching. Of course we were not represented by a union. I had a choice to work there or elsewhere doing another job. I could have made more doing something else, but felt a need at that time in my life to teach.

        There are many people out there that were teachers at one time in their life and went on to other jobs and made more money. There is nothing wrong with that. There is nothing wrong with teachers either, if they are good teachers, my problem is many of them whine about their salaries, when they make a very reasonable sum for the time that they actually put in and their benefits are very typically well beyond what any private sector job is offering, so they need to quit whining and unions that protect bad teachers and always want more for teachers are not a good thing.

  48. Goob says:

    Don’t you dare touch big corporations or they’ll outsource…let the “little guy ” suck it up again!!

  49. GomersPile in WI says:

    The baffoon has stirred up the hive for sure

    Think he’ll get stung to death come election?

  50. Forest Gump says:

    ” life is like a box of chocolate..never know what your gonna get ” , and we got Walker. Aren’t we sitting pretty.

  51. Dave says:

    I’d like to know who declared open season on teachers? I am a teacher and I work just as hard as anyone eles and care just as much as anyone else about my job and doing it right. I am not rich by any means. I go to school everyday and am surrounded by other teachers who are the same. I don’t know where you are getting your misinformation that you spew around as facts but most everything I’ve read on here today is just plain lies and couldn’t be further from the truth. I don’t understand why teachers are being villified? What is it you are hoping to accomplish by this? If it’s to make us feel bad for choosing to be a teacher and make a difference in a kids life, I think it’s working. I don’t know ANY of my students who would even consider a career in teaching based on the general populations disrespect for the field and the pay for a job that REQUIRES a college degree that is not comparable to other jobs requiring a college degree. I sure wouldn’t recommend it to any either of them either after seeing how little our life’s work is appreciated. Thanks so much!

  52. CabbieWI says:

    Thank you for good change in progress Gov. Scott Walker

  53. Todd says:

    The only union I worked for was the janitorial union when I was a kid going to school and business school. Did not do a lot for me for the $7 a month I paid. And I agree unions shot themselves in the foot when they went too far. But, without unions you would have the Michelle Bachmann “employers should be able to pay what they want, then everybody would be working”. Read Grapes of Wrath some time. Unions helped everybody when they were formed. I am not union and haven’t been for quite a while but if you take away the right to negotiate, your company at any time can can you for being employed for 10 years, your making too much money so we are getting rid of you, regardless if you are the best worker they ever had, so we can hire some kid for $7.25 an hour. There are two sides to this story folks. If companies have too much power, we will all be working for 60 cents an hour like they do in China.

  54. Bub says:

    If Wisconsen school districts are anything like Minn., each has MILLION(S) of dollars in “RESERVE” for “decliining enrolment” years, yet when the declining enrolment years occur, teachers are the first to be layed off.

    Any lay offs, in my opinion, need to be part of a top down x.y% staffing cut top down. Golly that might mean a pay cut for the sup & staff if it is heald that they are critical.

  55. Katy says:

    What have our lawmakers given up??? My tax dollars pay for their bottle water, their lunches, gas, cars etc…. I am a state employee and nobody pays for my stuff. Cutting should come from the top down!!!!! What shelfish people they are.

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