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Wis. GOP Bypass Dems On Collective Bargaining

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — The Wisconsin Senate succeeded in voting Wednesday to strip nearly all collective bargaining rights from public workers, after Republicans discovered a way to bypass the chamber’s missing Democrats and approve an explosive proposal that has rocked the state and unions nationwide.

“You are cowards!” spectators in the Senate gallery screamed as lawmakers voted. Within hours, a crowd of a few hundred protesters had grown to several thousand.

“The whole world is watching!” they shouted as they pressed up against the heavily guarded entrance to the Senate chamber.

All 14 Senate Democrats fled to Illinois nearly three weeks ago, preventing the chamber from having enough members present to consider Gov. Scott Walker’s “budget-repair bill” — a proposal introduced to plug a $137 million budget shortfall.

The Senate requires a quorum to take up any measures that spend money. But Republicans on Wednesday took all the spending measures out of the legislation and a special committee of lawmakers from both the Senate and Assembly approved the revised bill a short time later.

The unexpected yet surprisingly simple procedural move ended a stalemate that had threatened to drag on indefinitely. Until Wednesday’s stunning vote, it appeared the standoff would persist until Democrats returned to Madison from their self-imposed exile.

“In 30 minutes, 18 state Senators undid 50 years of civil rights in Wisconsin. Their disrespect for the people of Wisconsin and their rights is an outrage that will never be forgotten,” said Democratic Senate Minority Leader Mark Miller. “Tonight, 18 Senate Republicans conspired to take government away from the people.”

The state Assembly previously approved the entire proposal and was set to consider the new measure on Thursday. Miller said in an interview with The Associated Press there is nothing Democrats can do now to stop the bill: “It’s a done deal.”

The lone Democrat present on the special committee, Democratic Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca, shouted that the meeting was a violation of the state’s open meetings law.

Republicans voted over his objections, and the Senate convened within minutes and passed the measure 18-1 without discussion or debate. Republican Sen. Dale Schultz cast the lone no vote.

“The gig is now up,” Barca said. “The fraud on the people of Wisconsin is now clear.”

Walker had repeatedly argued that collective bargaining was a budget issue, because his proposed changes would give local governments the flexibility to confront budget cuts needed to close the state’s $3.6 billion deficit. He has said that without the changes, he may have needed to lay off 1,500 state workers and make other cuts to balance the budget.

Walker said Wednesday night that Democrats had three weeks to debate the bill and were offered repeated opportunities to come back, but refused.

“I applaud the Legislature’s action today to stand up to the status quo and take a step in the right direction to balance the budget and reform government,” Walker said in the statement.

The measure approved Wednesday forbids most government workers from collectively bargaining for wage increases beyond the rate of inflation. It also requires public workers to pay more toward their pensions and double their health insurance contribution, a combination equivalent to an 8 percent pay cut for the average worker.

Police and firefighters are exempt.

Walker’s proposal touched off a national debate over union rights for public employees and prompted tens of thousands of demonstrators to converge on Wisconsin’s capital city for weeks of protests.

Wednesday’s drama unfolded less than four hours after Walker met with GOP senators in a closed-door meeting. He emerged from the meeting saying senators were “firm” in their support of the bill.

For weeks, Democrats had offered concessions on issues other than the bargaining rights and they spent much of Wednesday again calling on Walker and Republicans to compromise.

Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald said earlier that Republicans had been discussing concessions offered by Walker, including allowing public workers to bargain over their salaries without a wage limit. Several GOP senators facing recall efforts had also publicly called for a compromise.

“The people of Wisconsin elected us to come to Madison and do a job,” Fitzgerald said in a statement after the vote. “Just because the Senate Democrats won’t do theirs, doesn’t mean we won’t do ours.”

Union leaders weren’t happy with Walker’s offer, and were furious at the Senate’s move to push the measure forward with a quick vote. Phil Neuenfeldt, president of the Wisconsin state AFL-CIO, said after Wednesday’s vote that Republicans exercised a “nuclear option.”

“Scott Walker and the Republicans’ ideological war on the middle class and working families is now indisputable,” Neuenfeldt said.

While talks had been going on sporadically behind the scenes, Republicans in the Senate also had publicly tried to ratchet up pressure on Democrats to return. They had agreed earlier Wednesday to start fining Democrats $100 for each day legislative session day they miss.

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  1. Ann says:

    Race back in time. Greedy corporations will gobble the human spirit alive to make a buck.

    1. Victim Du Jour says:

      What have corporation done that is so awful in the History of Minnesota?

      Compare it to railworkers lynching black people in Duluth during the 20’s.

      1. Trace says:

        Compare what they did to the American Indians in Minnesota!

      2. Victim Du Jour says:

        What did corporations do to native Americans? Sell them some post-it’s?

        The Canadian And Mexican Government stole land from Indians just like the State of Minnesota.

      3. Victim Du Jour says:

        Public Schools purposely ignore history, because it might make Unions look bad too.

        Did you know the KKK rallied for public education in the state of Minnesota?

    2. Matt says:

      Congratulations to Governor Walker for finally taking a stance against the public sector unions. You look at how horribly bias the media is against this issue and how taking away the privilege of collective bargaining is being compared to the right to vote and you have to commend them for standing tough.

      Here are a couple of quick facts to remember before condemning Governor Walker.

      1. Public sector collective bargaining wasn’t even considered legal until 1959, in fact it was struck down in NY Supreme Court in 1943 because of the standard it was ruled unconstitutional that the union be allowed on both sides of the bargaining table.

      2. Even FDR one of the most liberal Presidents of all time said that public sector unions were a direct conflict of interest. “The process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service,”

      3. The benefits that were collectively bargained by the Wisconsin unions with the Democratic governor that they got elected were far and above the benefits received in the private sector.

      This issue was more about the power of the union and not the benefits it gets the employees.

      1. M B says:

        You’re right. It is about the power of the unions.

        It’s already been said TIME AND TIME AGAIN that these people AGREED to Walker’s demands, yet he continued on to castrate the unions anyways. That, is called a vendetta. It is also called a power grab. You can’t rationalize out of that.

        Without the unions you so revile, MOST of the rights and benefits you have today in your workplace WOULD NOT EXIST. PERIOD. Those unions did the lobbying to get the laws passed that protected the American Worker. INCLUDING YOU. Take your vacation days away, take away your holidays. Take away your Saturdays off, take away your minimum wage, take away your 40 hour work week. That’s what will happen once the Unions go away. I may not like them much, but they DO serve a purpose. Work like that for a decade THEN come and talk to me about how WONDERFUL your exhalted Republican party is. Of course, you probably are one of the people behind the whip, not in front of it, and based on what you said you wouldn’t care about a thing like worker’s rights anyways.

        You talk about bias. I strongly encourage to actually study history, objectively, not just the kool-aid that the Republican party loves feeding people.

        I honestly hope the Republican party is recalled or voted out. I feel bad for those that are misled by their hyperbole and lies into voting for them. It’s disgusting.

      2. Matt says:

        Actually I can easily rationalize why the unions needed to have collective bargaining rights removed. At some point a democrat will be in charge of WI again and when that happens any concessions made by the unions today will just be put back in place. You call it cutting the power of the unions; I call it removing the burden of bailing out the union in future generations.

        I do agree that unions have had their place in America, but that is LONG since past and I don’t for a second attribute work laws in the US to the unions, that was set by the market, the unions may have participated, but ultimately the market rules the day.

        As far as my socioeconomic status, I’m far from the top or the bottom I guess you could call me middle class, but I know this. I am more than happy to go out and prove my worth and I don’t need a union to represent me. If I’m not being given fair wages and benefits I’ll go someplace else with my services and if no one will give them to me I’ll start my own business. See the economy isn’t that hard to figure out, you just need to be willing to go out and earn it.

      3. Paul says:

        The Market gave labor rights? When? Only through legislation and strikes was progress made. Little kids as young as ten were working in coal mines in the 1700-1800s in Britain until the GOVERNMENT stepped in and said that’s a bit inhumane. Sixteen-hour work days were not uncommon until the Factory Acts were past to reduce work to a twelve-hour day. The MARKET did not give them a break. By definition, pure capitalism does not want to give anyone a break–workers or consumers. A capitalist’s goal is drive out all competition and maximize profits. We’ve known for 100+ years that some restrictions on capitalism must be in place–that’s why we have anti-trust law. Capitalism is great. Unrestricted capitalism is about as close to hell as I’d ever want to be.

  2. Get back to work says:

    I think its time for the 14 to come back and do the job that they were elected to do!

    1. BUZZCUT says:

      There’s no work for them to do. Republicans can do whatever they want whenever they want.

      1. bryan says:

        Maybe if the would have done their job in the first place……..Would it not be nice to just run away every time something is not going to go your way in an effort to just make it go away!

      2. Where is Waldo says:

        Where have you been with the 14 dems, they had weeks to debat this!

      3. urune says:

        true, now there is no need.and this is very good

    2. Nancy says:

      their job, which is to protect the working people of America, you need to worry now that they have passed this, your job, if you have one, will be able to do as they please and tell you to suck it up, you are stupid to think otherwise

      1. urune says:

        i wish you have brain and might understand the situation, when we pay for all union perks, but unfortunately it is not the case

    3. Mark says:

      @Where is Waldo : That’s the whole reason they left- there was a refusal by Walker to debate. He wouldn’t listen. So they stood up for us, and I’m proud of them for what they did. They said “let’s have an honest debate about this” and Walker essentially covered his ears and went “Nya nya”,

  3. Effie says:

    Good for Gov Walker and the Republicans, shame on the Dems for leaving the State.

    1. shirley says:

      Effie, the governor left the table before the democrats did by not giving them the right to sit down and negotiate this. But wait, this is just the beginning of the republicans taking everything away from the middle class, after all they have to give the wealthy their tax breaks.cause the wealthy bring in jobs, you know the ones the wealthy sent over seas.

      1. Mark says:

        Thanks, Shirley. Everybody keeps talking about the walk-out as if it was running away. It wasn’t running away -it was a protest. Civil disobedience.

  4. gloria says:

    It makes me wonder what kind of kool-aid people are drinking to side with the Republicans.

    1. urune says:

      the smart one, they are not from your family

      1. gloria says:

        Urune, I hope you don’t count yourself among the smart folks. Your sentence structure sucks.

    2. Jen K. says:

      We are drinking the “spend less” kool-aid. This great Country of ours is on the brink of a complete economic meltdown, drastic measures need to be taken. I have many friends and family members that are teachers and belong to unions and votes like this obviously affect them and my stance makes me quite unpopular among them. I understand that unions had a great impact during our history, however they are not very relevent in today’s society. As many have posted before, why is a worker “owed” a pay increase or even job security because of tenure? My opinion is that they shouldn’t be and the bottom line is that people should be compensated based on measurable performance, which is not the case when you involve unions.

  5. Ignorance must be bliss says:

    Shame for what? Why is it that Repubs cry when Dems are in office that they are not getting heard and now that the same tactics that they have used are being used against them they cry again. Grow up, you all seem to have very short memories. I would love to go into more detail but I am sick and tired of taking the time to post reference points and facts just to have someone say “that didn’t happen”, or “you are making that up”. I don’t care what political party you are from, if you post comments on a site like this you should at least know what the Dems dud her is in WI constitution and they are not breaking any laws, and are doing the job they were elected to do. The people that voted for them DO want them to hold this back. In fact if you look at the polls that were taken 61% of WI wants this held back or at least changed. Look at the facts and then cry at your own ignorance.
    Please get a new war chant too, as the “they should be ashamed” or “they should do their job” has been said 10000000000000 times and you really need to get over it or say something productive as this is sounding like the worst broken record I have heard in a long time.

    1. Dan says:

      Because when the Dems have control, the Repubs whine… Then a few years later, the Repubs have control, the Dems whine… Then a few years later when the Dems have control, the Repubs whine… Then a few years later, the Repubs have control, the Dems whine… Then a few years later when the Dems have control, the Repubs whine… It’s called politics…

    2. PK says:

      I like what you said. Pretty soon there will be cries from all parties about the hardships we will be facing. Everyone should review that famous scene from “Network” and scream out their windows ,”I’m mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!” It is deplorable that the Republicans went against what the majority of their state want. The unions agreed to pay cuts but just wanted to keep their collective bargaining. Walker is a Koch cronie. The 14 Dems ARE working..just in a different location. It is typical of Repubs to automatically call everyone lazy. and “not doing their job”. If it doesn’t benefit them, than they aren’t doing their job! Kudos to the WI 14 and to the Wisconsinites that have and will continue to fight for the middle class? Do you not see that the privilegded are destroying the middle class? “I’m Mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!!!”

  6. Scott Walker Rocks! So get over it! says:

    I wish we could trade govs!

    1. mark from mntaxwaste.com says:

      well said

      1. How About Them Apples says:

        Are you referring to Governor, Dictator, Walker?
        Democracy is dead in Wisconsin. Just wait until the shoe is on the other foot.

        Now for those overpaid Packers.

    2. PSS says:

      no one whould be stupided enougH to trade for him than again maybe ……………………..NOPE JUST CAN’T FIND ANY ONE THAT STUPID ………..SORRY!!!!!!! THAN AGAIN YOU COULD TRADE HIM TO CHINA FOR A NEW PAIR OF NIKE’S

    3. dphilips says:

      Yep Thae would do it trade governors we are just beginning to see
      the fallout in Minnesota from 8 yrs of Pawlenty!

  7. Jeff Rogers says:

    They did their job. If they hadn’t left the state, this would have been a blip on the late night news. Their leaving and dragging this is out is was the catalyst for the huge outcry and the national media weighing in. Sitting in the Senate while the Republicans rolled over them would have done nothing. Why do you think quorum laws exist? Finding some loophole to so an end run around them is cowardly if not illegal. At the least it gives them the basis to get the law into court. And it’s funny that it happened just after the Governor announced he was willing to negotiate. I hope the 60+ percent of people whose voices were ignored vote in block next election.

  8. jilrubia says:

    Nice fake apologetic smirks. “Sorry, but there was NOTHING else we could do.” THAT attitude IS shameful. I’m undone.

  9. jim from WBL says:

    Republican motto “Win if you can, Lose if you must, but always cheat”

    1. SW MN guy says:

      George Bush must be behind all this!

    2. Matt says:

      I love the amount of hypocritical democrats, when the GOP finds a loophole it’s illegal, when the DFL finds a loophole they are saints.

      1. Jen says:

        Agreed 1000 times over! I am so tired of hypocritical rhetoric out there. It’s like Jim from WBL’s comment- “win if you can, lose if you must, but always cheat”… and saying that is a GOP motto. Pathetic.

  10. fairbalanced says:

    finally politicians that do their job

  11. gloria says:

    People who side with the Republicans are the morons who vote against their own self interests. Unfortunately, they won’t realize it until it’s too late. What suckers!

    1. Jen K. says:

      @ Gloria- I assure you that I know what I vote for. I also assure you that I am not a moron nor a sucker. The beauty of living in the United States is that we are all welcome to our own opinions. It is my opinion that people who resort to name calling are not only disrespectful but are often times uneducated. This is why I tend to stay away from calling people with opposing belief systems things like suckers and morons.

  12. RememberThisIn12 says:

    This isn’t a typical push-it-through, folks. They bypassed state law – there has to be 24hr conference committee notice. All they’ve done is just proven that this was never about the money, it was about starting the domino of union-busting. Unions may not be effective and they’re far from perfect, but they’re the last bastion of middle-class support that’s out there now.
    For the apologist above who claims this is tit-for-tat with what dems have done in past – site actual cases where state laws were ignored to get rights taken away by dems. You can’t, so you pre-empt any debate on it. Nice try.

  13. Pavel says:

    He (Walker) is a crook. He should be recalled…., but I don’t know that they need a dog catcher in Wisconsin.

  14. Walker is the MAN!!!!! says:

    They had three weeks to come back to Wisconsin and do there job, With the Dems out of State there is still work to be done and they did it without the Dems, How can there be a debate if the dems refuse to come back to work! Just grab a tissue wipe your tears away!

    1. URUNE says:

      VERY GOOD, IT IS SO GOOD ALL OF A SUDDEN TO MEET HERE PERSON WITH BRAIN,THANK YOU

  15. stefan says:

    Blah Blah!!!! Dems run away like little B…ches . I’m switching Party.

    1. Deb says:

      goooooooooooooooooooooo

  16. Smithy says:

    I just laugh at all the fools who think what college flunkie walker did is good for them.

    There will be no jobs created in Wi, only property tax increases and huge profits for CEO’s and executives. Just watch.

    You people are such silly fools. Won’t be able to blame it on the dems….

    2012 will be a shoe-in for the democrats and Obama.

    1. Jason says:

      Dont be so sure buddy.

  17. Helper says:

    Smithy

    How correct you are. You must be pretty dumb to be republican nowadays!

  18. Walker is the MAN!!!!! says:

    Helper Walmart has a sale on tissues.

    1. PSS says:

      walker is a DISCRACE To the STATE OF WISCONSIN ………………..ALL REBUBLICANS YOU CAN AND WILL BE SUBJECT TO RECALL AND YOU WILL LOSE BIG !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      1. Jason says:

        Guess what, Repubs didnt vote themselves into office. I wouldnt be upset if your recalls dont happen.

  19. Jim says:

    Middle class used to mean your house was paid for, you had a job with benefits, and you had enough money on the bank to live for a year.

    I laugh at the ‘ blue collar ‘ republicans who can barely make their house payments and blame everything on democrats.

    Your fools!

    1. Jen says:

      Hmmm, this is interesting. I am far from blue collar and a Republican.

      As Charles Barkley has said, “poor people have been voting for Democrats for 50 years and they are still poor”.

      Also, it should be “you’re”.

      Hmmmm I neither poor or uneducated.

  20. Murph says:

    Then their carreers as thugs will be over next year! Good! Recall the nasty little GOP brats!

  21. Helper says:

    Sorry wo-man

    I don’t shop walmart. Leave that for people who live in the trailer park.

  22. Incredulous1 says:

    There she goes, floating down the big river on her western border. Say hello to Wississippi!

    Glad to see the Gov’s still wearing his flag lapel pin! You ‘da man!

  23. Goob says:

    Walker gets his way…now pay attention to the lay-offs that will come anyway…he is soooo evil!!!

  24. 14 AWOL Snoozed & Lost says:

    When you abandon your post you lose the right to complain about what happened in your absence.

    1. PSS says:

      IMPEACH WALKER NOW……………………….HE’S A HITLER WANTABE

      1. urune says:

        i thins it should be law forbidding complete idiot like you to express the opinion.

      2. PSS says:

        well at least I can say I DIDN’T VOTE FOR YOUR IDIOT GOV AND HIS GOON SQUAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IMPEACH WALKER

    2. Mark says:

      It was a protest. They never abandoned their post. If they were lazy and selfish, they would have come home as soon as the $100/day fine was placed on them.

  25. Big T says:

    WALKER FOR PRESIDENT!!!

  26. Paul D says:

    Wow say good buy to all benifits from every company
    no vacation no pension no overtime no lunch breaks
    no sick time nothing but dirty sweat shop workers we will all be soon
    next thing they will go after is Min wage it will drop like a stone

    this country will fail very soon zero jobs gas no one can afford
    obama sits on his hands and says sorry its all G W Bush fault
    great job on the hope and change

  27. MCulle NE says:

    I hope the workers burn the capital down. The repug’s just cooked their own goose.

    1. Victim Du Jour says:

      That’s exactly what the National Socialist German Worker Party did to the Riechstag too.

      Good Idea!

    2. Where is Waldo says:

      I hope they do and show there true colors

  28. Patrick says:

    I live in Wisconsin, and what I want to know is who elected those damn state employees to run our state. They are supposed to work for us , not the other way around. It’s about time the the private sector in Wisconsin is heard!!! The damn unions better get used to it. And I’m hearing alot of calls for revolution from public workers, well step up whinners.

    1. PSS says:

      patrick wake up your an IDIOT the state workers are not the cause of the states problems try your gov is the problem what will stop big business from cutting wages and robbing you of good working conditions NOTHING NOW THAT THE DICTATOR WALKER IS HAVING IT HIS WAY .

    2. Paul says:

      No one elected state employees to run the state. You hired them to do so. My wife works as a school psychologist. Has an Ed.S. degree. Seven years of schooling. Really sharp person. So why are people upset that she’d like to get paid $70,000 (wage and benefits) for her job? What seems like a reasonable pay/benefits package to you? Give a number.

      I think the thing to do is just let anyone with a high school diploma to be a cop, firefighter, or teacher. Let’s just let the whole system open up for a couple of years. Those of us with college degrees will go off and work in the private sector. Then when people discover that it takes some skill and education to run a classroom, a police department, then will come back and you can pay us for the fact that we’re willing to work for you. You’re welcome.

      Why do you want her to get re-certified every five years?

  29. Jake says:

    So, for the crowd asserting the rights of workers have been stripped, please explain what prevents these working people from leaving their public employment to accept work as a member of a private union. It seems fairly clear they retain every right they had before except the ability to use political muscle to compel elected officials to vote for ever-increasing money from the public fisc (as opposed to their own personal resources).

    1. Josh says:

      Because working in a private school means you have to teach things that aren’t true (ie: creationism). Also some of us believe that being a public schoolteacher is following-through on civic duty. We like to contribute to our community full-time. We’d also like to be able to afford to go to the doctor once-in-a-while while wer’e doing it.

  30. Stan says:

    Good Job, Gov. Walker….You gave the (14) enough time to make up their mind so they snoozed and it’s time to get some budget issues fixed.

    1. PSS says:

      STAN YOUR GOV JUST MADE HIS NOOSE NOW LET HIM HANG IN IT!!!!!

  31. Deb says:

    Picking and choosing what you post CBS?? I posted 15 minutes ago… what happened?

  32. Irine's Mom says:

    irine = IDIOT

  33. Stan's Dad says:

    Stan is a loser

    1. Stan says:

      Sure is hard to believe the State is broke, wished the fix was an easy one but everyone is going to have to sacrifice and if you thought your government job was secure, sorry. You haven’t seen anything yet, this isn’t just a Wisconsin problem every State is in trouble and if you go to our Welfare office you will see tax dollars at work.

  34. BigT is GAY says:

    Big T = BIGGER IDIOT

  35. Patrick says:

    Gov. Walker just took away something they shoud never have had!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Unions in goverment is a common sence conflict of interest.

    1. Where is Waldo says:

      I agree Patrick

      1. PSS says:

        patrick and where is waldo ENJOY working at walmart for 3.50 an day MORONS

      2. Patrick says:

        You all know this PSS is exactly the kind of union trash I’m taking about. Get your hand out of my damn pocket.

      3. PSS says:

        patrick takes trash to know trash ydnaftauw UNION PROUD UNION LOUD AFSCME PROUD so BITE me trashman

  36. Deb says:

    Shame on you Govenor Walker/republicans! Democrats left because you wouldn’t listen, you didn’t care about the budget, you just wanted to break the unions!! People put unions down because they don’t know, why they happened in the first place! Perhaps if they spent some time at the meetings they would!! All republicans must be extremely happy with their employers if they are against organized collective bargaining!! You would be lying if you said your job made you completely happy and you always agreed with what the employer does! I think the republican loop hole is illegal and they don’t have a clue what American people wanted when they were elected!! Shame on you for not working it out!!! THIS IS America for a reason, FREEDOM, we have rights and YOU just took them away with this dishonest move!!!! Your days are numbered… Americans fight for rights and DON’T loose them with out another fight!!

    1. PSS says:

      Deb you are SO RIGHT but when the blind lead the blind you can’t mae them see the problem or the solution !!! I can see a MASS EXODUS FROM WISCONSIN!!!!!!

    2. Jake says:

      @Deb Listening and agreeing aren’t the same thing. What is amazing to me is that people assume the union structure is appropriate in this setting. The unions themselves stated that their compensation had gotten out of line and they agreed to reductions. Whay had they gotten out of line? Because the range of bargaining options available to them is inappropriate for public employment.

      Reducing the compensation one time but not changing the bargaining structure is like making a kid who just beat his brother with a stick stop beating his brother, but letting him keep the stick for future beatings.

  37. Walker is the MAN!!!!! says:

    WALKER FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  38. Kris Peterson says:

    Fantastic news! The union thugs will be out looking for legislators to beat up. It’s all they know. Public unions are a racket. Cry your spoiled hearts out, AFSCME. Losers.

    1. PSS says:

      kris peterson gfysymcp you may be the FIRST ONE WE LOOK FOR STUPID By the way enjoy woking for peanuts now that the commies have got their way by swinddleing the PUBLIC

  39. Patrick says:

    Mass Exodus out of Wisconsin!!!!!! If it’s all union people I’m all for it!!!!!

    1. PSS says:

      A GARANTEE A DEMOCRATIC LANDSLIDE VICTORY IN 2012 THE REBUBLICANS JUST MADE THEIR NOOSE NOW LET THEM HANG IN IT

      1. Patrick says:

        You must really live in the land of delusion. I you think the dems lost bad in 2010,your really in for a wake up call in 2012 . Your incompetent pres. will be a one termer too. LOL

    2. PSS says:

      THE UNIONS WILL RISE FROM THE ASHES JUST LIKE THE PHOENIX !!!!!!!!!!!!!

      1. ok says:

        And what planet are you from?

      2. Stan says:

        Wow, I’m impressed with your attitude……Question ? What ever happened to Jimmy Hoffa on July 30, 1975. Do you think this Union issues just started three weeks ago ? Remember there are union people who have been paying union dues for years and were sick of the way the money is being used. Instead of funding Obama and his special interest groups put my Union dues back into Wisconsin.

  40. Jp says:

    I think the american people spoke !
    Get over it, time to move on

    1. PSS says:

      THIS IS GOING TO BE THEN TOPIC OF THE 2012 ELECTION AND THE FALL OF THE REBUBLIC PARTY

      1. Jason says:

        I dont think you could be anymore incorrect with your statement. You are seeing the peoples voice in action. However only time will tell.

  41. Zie says:

    Disgusting. Walker isn’t doing his “job” when he ignores the voice of the people!!!!

    1. Patrick says:

      Get it straight, he ignored the unions not the taxpayers.

      1. PSS says:

        patrick a question for you do union workers pay taxes ?……………………………………………answer YES WE DO !!!! ALSO A CLUE FOR YOU GET READY FOR A PINK SLIP

      2. Patrick says:

        Yea if Obama runs things much longer. and that’s really not funny!!

    2. Happy says:

      Half of the protesters were from out of state, I am glad Walker did this those 14 dem had a chance and they BLEW IT!!

    3. Dave says:

      There are more voices supporting him then rejecting him. He stated all these facts before the polls and he won so where is the voice?
      Yeah I know we need to look out for the little guy but then again that’s not who we’re talking about is it?
      To me the little guy is the retired folks having to sell their house because taxes are outrageous. It costs Over $12,000 for each student. That’s absurd!
      The average class size is 25 X 12,000 = $300,000/ class.
      Is it just me or does that seam rediculous and your defending it.
      Give me $8,000/ student and I’ll deliver 10 times what our students get.

  42. helper says:

    Republicans are such morons.

    UNIONS HELP SET PAY FOR ALL WORKERS!

    But “yeah yeah horray for Walker” says the republican trailer trash non-union low educated bimbo who will eventually get paid even lower.

    Nice….

    1. Matt says:

      PLEASE helper how does a union set a private wage?

      1. Matt says:

        Just another democrat that spews union rhetoric, but can’t back it up.

        Thank you for proving my point.

    2. no union says:

      Are you still crying, ask one dem buddies for a hug!

  43. Goob says:

    Hey…how much $$$$ do these union people make??? The best jobs MIGHT pay 60-70 grand…most are probably 40-50 grand…Now…how much do these fn’ politicians make?? They also work for the state. Lets cut their wages. How ’bout THAT!!!

    1. Patrick says:

      You are talking about just their salary being 50 grand, Now add their benefits and figure twice that amount . Also look at all the days off they get. If some of them die tomorrow we would not even know they were gone!!

  44. Proud to be an American says:

    Americans are a hateful people. Just look at the above comments. Sheesh! It’s like two mobs ready to tear the other to shreds.

  45. Maurine McCort says:

    Why so little time spent on 10 pm news about WI? There are thousands of people in the capital rotunda very upset.

  46. Jason says:

    Lot of misplaced anger here. Everyone who voted for the 14 clowns that are AWOL are not currently represented. Maybe the protests should be at the front lawns of these politicains not at the capital.

    1. Stan says:

      Good Point……

  47. Jp says:

    Funny wasnt it the unions the driver behind
    Health care ? That now has a pass from health care. We didnt get a seat at the table. What
    Comes around goes around. Enjoy

    1. TF says:

      Well when you contribute $400 million to the presidential campaign you expect to get some kickbacks.

      Business is ruining America, no no no, look at the unions and the politicians in their pockets. Who do you think told the 14 senators to run?

  48. rita says:

    I am proudly a democrat. But I just don’t understand how, as an elected official, you come to the decision to leave the state when you know that the vote will go against your position. What if all elected officials did that? You lost a huge election in WI and guess what? That has consequences that you have to deal with without running away.

  49. Goodnight... Sleep tight union thugs… says:

    One last thought of the night for those who support unions. I have no issue with a private sector union as the market will ultimately determine the winners and the losers (unless of course you are GM and you get bailed out) but I would LOVE to ask of a private industry that has experienced success with a union workforce over the past 40 years? Maybe there is one, but I can’t think of it.

    See the problem with the public sector is you can’t fail because there’s always the taxpayer sitting there to bail them out.

    1. Paul says:

      Without unions in the public sector–at least in teaching–here’s what happens/has happened/will happen: women get paid less than men. Women who get pregnant once or twice don’t get a new contract. A hockey coach/phy ed. teacher gets a better wage than a math teacher. A teacher who gives a bad grade to a kid with powerful parents–well, doesn’t get fired, but does get reassigned to a less than desirable teaching assignment–all 9th graders for instance. If you want chaos and no-talent people teaching, then just take away all security in the schools. And then you’ll get your wish–anyone with a degree will stay away from the public sector.

      Then we can have straight-forward, basic high-school-diploma people become teachers. And then we wouldn’t have to pay them for their schooling because, after all, no one needs any real schooling to be a good teacher, right? Pretty easy job, right?

  50. Walker is Right!!! says:

    Those 14 clowns had a chance, and they blew it, they didnt have to run, the 14 dems turned there backs on WI

  51. Lance says:

    This is just the start baby, all over the country the crooked unions and tax takers are going down. We cannot afford them any more. The real working people have spoken.

    1. Paul says:

      You know, I’m a teacher, and I work 10 hours a day teaching and correcting papers. Every day, five-six days a week. (Yes, Saturdays and half of the Sundays.)

      You hired me. Did you want me to work for free? I wish you would have told me that up front.

      1. Dave says:

        No we want you to be more effective! We’ve all been in school and while we’re taking test you can correct your work. If you have an answer key you can have a laminated copy that goes over the answers and correct papers in no time at all. You see this is how the rest of us operate in the work force, we optimize our work or we lose our job or we work late and don’t get paid. I don’t get 4 months off plus holiday and on top of that get vacation. Wow get a normal job and see what it’s like

      2. Stan says:

        @Paul, I wished I could share a tenure story with you. I’m a Union person and I married a women that teaches and her whole family teaches, they won’t give an cent. They all are very educated and do a good job but I have a hard time with this tenure protection thing, bad teachers need to be fired. True story, our school district has a female teacher, been teaching since 1989, doesn’t take any continuing education classes herself and just does the minimum. This teacher has a son who has been failing in school for six years and his education means nothing she just used the son as a paycheck for child support. The father of the child is restricted from the school where his son goes to school and his mother teaches in the same building. The father has tried to get his son some extra outside tutoring and the administration has the father blocked from the school, true story and this female teacher RULES and their scared of her in the school district office. (Jerry Springer Show)? Just had to share, I know there are good teachers but some have to be fired.

      3. Lance says:

        My wife is a teacher and she hates the union. Yes they provide great pay increases, job security, and good retirement benefits but they also hurt the education of chifldren through restrictions in teaching. They take common sense day to day decisions out of the hands of teachers and principles that effect students and force them to go by the union rules. Good teachers suffer, bad teachers go on being bad. Teachers need and deserve good pay but unions are not the answer.

      4. Paul says:

        Seriously, that’s how you correct an essay? With a laminated copy of a single correct essay? I honestly think you have never been a teacher, Dave. Come and shadow me for a day and I’ll reciprocate.

        Also, most people don’t understand a teacher’s contract–I sign a 185-day contract. Like most people–public or private–I work more than the 185 days. I do NOT get paid holidays because I’m not contracted to work on the holidays.

        As far as unions making bad decisions on my behalf, I’ve had one policy decision led by the union with which I disagreed. I here general slamming of the union but never specifics from any posters.

        FYI: I teach English and mathematics. Licensed in both. A century will pass before anyone is not going to want to hire someone with a dual English/math license. I’m not worried at all about my job, pay, or benefits. I’m worried about the overall quality of teachers that we will draw into the profession. Everyone seems to want good teachers but I guess you want us to moonlight as waiters during the school year to make a few extra bucks. Do we really think we’re going to improve education but dangling $50,000 pay/benefits lifetime max. in front on an intelligent, skilled college grad? The implication is that we just are going to have to get people who a) have no skills or b) are willing to work for peanuts.

  52. Dave says:

    I’ve read a lot of comments but none that nail the issue on the head. Ask yourself why are we having this discussion? Because fiscally we’re out of control! Why go after unions (I worked in the union most my life) Because there is no concern for the success of the business or Government. Time and Time again the union fights for the person who thinks it’s great to slack on the job or not make it to work or just not care. Are you the reader in one of those categories? Most likely not.
    What are we talking about really? Teachers? Com on they work 8 months out of the year (counting holdays) University professors even less work, plus get vacation, plus get the benefits of royalty and there is no way to hold a single one of them accountable.
    They don’t have to create a plan to save X percent of money like I do at work.
    They don’t care about the senior citizens property taxes getting so high they lose their home.
    They don’t even care about their own union brothers because they are willing to watch up tp 5,000 people lose their jobs because they don’t want to struggle with the rest of us.
    I am so glad their being taken on but it’s high time the administrators also lose their positions. I mean how many Vice principals and secretaries and counselors do we need. That’s not mentioning the tons of other logistical jobs being done. If the school system was a business everything would be stream lined.
    Oh and one last thought money doesn’t = results

    1. Paul says:

      Well, I keep seeing posts from people who’ve never been a teacher, been a school administrator, or served on a school board. Advice is thrown out there without any experience having worked or supervised any part of the profession.

      If everyone in the US was required to be in the military for a year and be a teacher for year, I think we’d have a lot more sanity in the discussions.

  53. fkafka says:

    WI elected them and they showed some integrity – simply doing what they said they would do if elected,

  54. Bawb says:

    Funny how you Dem/Libs didn’t mind shoving “Obamacare” down our throats, ramming it through late-night, thousands of pages, hidden-agendas in the bill, etc., but when you get a dose of your own medicine, it’s illeagal, unconstituntional, and your whining all over the media!!!! How about your 14 Senators that REFUSE to do their jobs!!! They leave the state and that’s supposed to be OK??? What a bunch of hypocrites!!! But, what’s new??

    1. MARK from mntaxwaste.com says:

      well said Bawb

  55. Hayward says:

    For your hard work, thank you Governor Walker. You saved 1500 families. Union bosses were ready to sacrifice the 1500 families to keep their own positions. I’m grateful that I am no longer forced to pay union dues. Dues that ended up going to the DNC. Theft of taxpayers money. I burned my union Hitler card and I gave a one finger salute to all the Dems who ran away crying. To my fellow brothers and sisters, who can not think for themselves, “up yours!”

  56. Mark says:

    For all of you that think walker did a good thing, just wait. This is the first step in reducing your pay. Look at other states that have done this. Wages across that state in all sections fell. He took out the spending language to attact the Union. One goof ball gave a statement made by FDR, here is one:

    The American Labor movement has consIstently demonstrated its devotion to the public interest. It is, and has been, good for all America. JFK

  57. Deb says:

    Hayward, got a retirement from the union? Got health care coverage from the Union? You watch walker will still lay off those 1500 people. You thank walker for his hard work, you should get a job and learn what hard work is.

  58. MARK from mntaxwaste.com says:

    The unions had their time, now its their time to go away, far away

  59. Mark says:

    Thanks Mark! and that is what your pay will do, go away, far, far, far away. Unions set the standard for pay scales across the board. So now with nothing to compare to we can drop your wage to what ever we want, if you have a job.

  60. captainobvious says:

    I make more in my field than any union worker does, oh wait their are no union workers left in my field, they were replaced like most union workers, laborers are replacable, everyday i thk god we voted the union down or id be unemployed also

  61. JB says:

    Intersting stance. Create a mess, go and hide when it is time to fix it, and then in a few short months, blame all the ills of the State of Wisconsin on the Republicans, who just got into power for the first time in decades. Are people really that gullable?

  62. Dan says:

    The will of the majority has finally prevailed. The unions had insisted that a few, enjoy unrealistic benefits at the expense of the rest of us, an extremely arrogant position. We also keep hearing that the unions had agreed to pay some of their insurance and pension costs. If that is so, why have we not heard of any voting and ratification of these so called concessions? It was just bs feed to the media in an effort to sway public opinion with no intent to actually follow-thru. Let’s get over the persecution complex and get back to work knowing that the will of the people has prevailed.

  63. zee the reporter says:

    it goes back in history you have to have unions for workers rights not only that~ but it keeps the avg,workers pay up!

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