Wis. Gov. Signs Bill Taking Away Bargaining Rights

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker succeeded Friday in taking away nearly all collective bargaining rights from the vast majority of the state’s public employees, quietly capping weeks of contentious debate and delivering an epic defeat to the labor movement with a private bill signing.

Walker planned to hold a ceremonial signing later in the day.

The proposal touched off a national debate over labor rights for public employees, and its implementation is a key victory for Republicans who have targeted unions in nationwide efforts to slash government spending. But labor leaders said they plan to use the setback to fire up their members nationwide and mount a major counterattack against Republicans at the ballot box in 2012.

The measure passed the state’s Assembly on Thursday following more than three weeks of protests that drew tens of thousands of people to the Capitol in opposition. The Senate cleared the way for passage with a surprise move Wednesday that allowed them to move the measure forward without 14 Democratic senators present.

The bill forces state workers to pay more for their pensions and health care benefits, which is estimated to save Wisconsin $30 million to help pay down a $137 million budget shortfall projected by July 1. The higher payments for state workers will take effect over the coming weeks.

But portions of the proposal had to be removed in order for it to pass the Senate without Democrats, meaning the Legislature will have to take more action later to balance the budget.

Walker had repeatedly argued that ending collective bargaining would give local governments the flexibility they needed to confront the state aid cuts necessary to fix Wisconsin’s deficit, which is projected to grow to $3.6 billion deficit over two years.

“This is ultimately about a commitment to the future, so our children don’t face even more dire consequences than what we face today,” Walker said at a news conference in the West Allis community of Milwaukee on Thursday.

Republican Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald said Republicans were fulfilling campaign promises with enactment of the law.

“It shouldn’t have taken two years for the recession to finally affect the government, but the public sector is finally sharing in the pain, albeit with modest concessions,” Fitzgerald said.

Walker’s Democratic predecessor, Gov. Jim Doyle, ordered 16 unpaid days off for state workers over the past two years that amounted to roughly a 3 percent pay cut.

Walker said his plan would avoid the need for any furloughs or layoffs. He had issued public employee unions a notice last week that up to 1,500 layoffs would be coming if the bill didn’t pass. But just before he signed it Friday, Walker rescinded the notice.

“We came into office promising to help the economy and create jobs,” Fitzgerald said. “This budget repair bill prevents 1,500 real layoffs, and countless more at the local level over the next few years.”

The Wisconsin Assembly voted 53-42 Thursday to pass the bill after about three hours of discussion, far less than the 61-hour, three-day marathon it took to approve a previous version two weeks ago.

The passage drew shouts of “Shame!” from protesters in the gallery and came only a day after the dramatic action in the Republican-controlled Senate.

Republicans said they were simply doing what voters wanted.

In last year’s election, “people spoke very clearly and very loudly and said they wanted government to change here in Madison,” Republican Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald said. “It’s a tough vote, but it’s the right vote. People are sick of the status quo.”

Shortly before the vote, police had to move dozens of protesters who were sitting just outside the Assembly chamber doors, blocking the way for lawmakers. Officers dragged many of them away, but there were no arrests.

Dozens of protesters returned to the Capitol on Friday, shouting “Recall Walker!” Another large rally was planned for Saturday.

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  1. jimmy says:

    Now all the union members that voted Republican for anti choice or for their gun rights or for lower taxes. Will now vote Democrat for their jobs, they never dreamed that the nut job Republicans would mess with their money.

    1. jpick says:

      count me as one of many. you are exactly right. I was a Republican my whole life and i was made a Democrat in one week.

      1. scott says:

        Why balance the budget on the back of working america, right size if need be, but stripping bargaining rights is nothing but union busting. Ask yourself if it isnt political union busting why the fire and police bargaining rights (traditional republican strongholds) are not being touched by this legislation. I agree that there is too much me me me but the way it is being done isnt right sizing, it is about power and balancing the budget on the back of working americans. Take a look at the budget for corporate tax breaks and move the tax policies for the ultra rich back to the pre-Reagan days and then take a look at union busting if none of that matters. The budget is the smokescreen people, the agenda is the issue. If the benefits are out of proportion, they can be renegotiated (with lots of the same handwringing and bulldozers) but you dont have to subvert the process. yes I think the 14 democrats leaving also subverted the democratic process.

      2. insignificant says:

        jpick…aren’t you aware that it doesn’t matter republican/democrat as they are both in bed with banksters? With the exception of Ron Paul,a true republican.

      3. Papa K says:

        Interesting Read … Corporations Versus Individuals

        Learn how the politics of being a Democrat or Republican is changing to

        Corporations Versus Individuals and the The End of the Left/Right Paradigm

        http://www.disinfo.com/2011/03/corporations-versus-individuals-the-end-of-the-leftright-paradigm/

        I’m voting for the Individual Rights of every American and to stop Corporations from destroying America.

      4. John Frykman says:

        Perhaps you were a RINO for your whole life (since birth????), but you certainly have no conservative values. How nice that you can finally come out of the closet and declare yourself a statist socialist.

      5. Steve says:

        Time to end collective bargaining onces and for all. Also time to bust the Unions who are crippling the economy.

    2. Matt says:

      Nothing scares me more than the selfishness of this nation, the selfishness to want want want and when something, anything, doesn’t go their way the they throw a temper tantrum.

      Right or left everyone is for stabilizing the budget, everyone is for putting the national and state budgets on firm footing, UNTIL it hits them, until they have to feel the pain.

      I don’t know how to tell you it’s to late, there have to be cuts to protect this nation for our children, the government was not designed to provide jobs and healthcare and social security, the one singular funtion of the government is to ensure freedom.

      Personally I’m willing to take the cuts in services and pay higher taxes if it means that my son will get the same freedom that I have experienced, but I don’t feel there are many people out there like me. There are to many ME ME ME Jimmy and jpick’s out there who only care about themselves.

      Anyone who can look at the selfishness of the public union debate in Wisconsin and not see it as a VERY forbidding sign doesn’t have their eyes open. America is hooked on government spending and government programs and it’s bringing this nation down like every other great nation before it.

      1. mike says:

        Thank you Matt. You hit the nail. The polititians have over the years created this entitlement thinking and now when they want to backup and try to correct it, the recipients wont let them

      2. Kally says:

        Very good Matt. You are 100% correct! Anyone who can not see this bigger picture has a very small closed selfish mind.

      3. amanda says:

        Until we start to look at the greed of the upper class and corporations you should fear for our children, because what we saw was the rich taking priority and a governor being bought by greed. The outcry from not only Wisconsinites but the majority across the country was loud because the people had no voice. When the decisions of a handful of men squash the will of the majority of citizens, you should worry.

      4. Matt says:

        Amanda, when has a business or rich person come to you asking for more money? When have taxes been used to pay for the wealthy s retirement? When have the wealthy abused the welfare system?

        Tax breaks is the extend of it, they are sick of footing over 90% of the tax bill in this country. It’s not business that’s the problem it’s the government that’s burning the money that is the problem. If you can’t see that basic fact there is no common ground.

      5. M B says:

        The purpose of our Government is only to ensure freedom?

        So, based on that rationality the government shouldn’t provide Emergency services, Education, Road maintenance, water, sewer, environmental protection, mass transit, or dozen of other important things that we rely on day to day. Or did you conveniently forget about all those? Of course you did. Without those services, you wouldn’t be able to take a shower in the morning, be educated, be able to get to work and would have a polluted environment thanks to the greed of big corporations.

        Of course, that’s what many people seem to want these days: a dumb spineless populace that will work like Chinese Slaves.

        I prefer to think on my own, thank you very much, and I am thankful for those little services that the government provides.

        Now, what you and so many people forget, AND try to rationalize away to make yourselves feel better about your political choices is that the unions AGREED to the benefits cuts.

        Yes, Virginia, they AGREED to the cuts, but WALKER wouldn’t take that as enough. He HAD to take their bargaining rights, just to jam the knife in a little deeper. This wasn’t about the budget. This was about castrating the Unions, or else Walker would have actually, you know, NEGOTIATED with them like he claims he did. This is about Walker laying the groundwork for disassembling the unions.

        Despite my apparent pro-union stance, I’m not a big fan of them, but I AM able to see that they serve their purpose. As I’ve said before, most of the benefits at work we enjoy are due to union lobbying. Of COURSE the Republicans hate the unions, they represent loss of profits. Of COURSE they’re going to take every opportunity to get rid of a roadblock to making money. I however prefer to not be turned into a slave. Because of that I support the unions on this.

        But I suspect that like most, as soon as you read something that differs from your viewpoint, your mind will snap shut and you’ll stop objectively listening, so this was probably pointless.

      6. Matt says:

        M B,

        See this is were our beliefs very significantly because I don’t feel that we need the government to provide the services you listed. Transportation, water ect is a convenience and personally I’m OK with the governmental involvement in those areas but not for a second do I feel that without government we wouldn’t have those services. All I want is for the government to ensure the freedom that allows me/you or the guy down the street to provide those services.

        As far as unions go, I am fine with them in the private sector, I agree with you that I don’t feel they are optimal, but in the private sector to much union greed will force a company out of business. Where I could NEVER justify a union is in the public sector where it creates a conflict of interest. The union can hold hostage the government which has a legal monopoly on power.

        As far as your gripe about republicans wanting profits, that’s what business is about, without a profit motive you loose innovation, efficiency and desire, profit is good, in facts it’s necessary.

        In the end, here is my viewpoint and one of which I will not waver from. I want freedom and equity to all people. I want the same opportunities, laws and taxes to all people. To those who say this is fixing the budget on the backs of the middle class? Why should the middle class escape some of the budget cuts and tax increases, why should it always be only the rich responsible for propping up the safety net? AND… This is 10% of the population which still has better benefits than without collective bargain than the private sector has.

        It’s the collective greed of those who abuse government that will eventually be the unraveling of the US economy and the US dream. It’s really sad to see.

      7. paab says:

        Thank you Matt, I can hear the frustration in your voice and I feel the same that has been the plan all along, get as many people on the government dole as possible, either through welfare or government jobs, and we will have socialism. I hope it is not too late to turn back the clock, but doing away with collective bargaining rights by public unions is a step in the right direction. Government doesn’t have any profits for the union to share, government should work to see that the taxpayers money is used wisely and never wasted.

      8. jean says:

        Mat,I personally don’t agree with you because we the people,did not create this mess.. I believe the ones who put us in this mess should pay..The banks,wall street,oil companies,big business and yes the republicans who put us into 2 unfunded wars..The republicans lie all the time,they succeeded in convincing a lot of people that the public workers and the unions were the culprits..Not true, there’s a lot more at work here than you seem to realize ..

      9. Don_J says:

        Hmmm… so the fact that the unions were willing to GIVE the Governor EVERYTHING that he needed was not enough “unselfishness” for your taste? I guess it’s OK for billionaires to pump unknown amount of money into elections but when unions stand up for their rights, they’re selfish. You’ll be next and than what will you have to say.

      10. Roger says:

        First of all, I want to say that I have been a union man for over 40 years, but that was in the privare sector,m we were not able to extort money from our employer, because if he promised too much, he went broke. Not so the public sector, the democrats promise their union buddies these grand packages that we can’t afford, solely for their votes, they just raise taxes on the rest of us. Well said Matt, keep up the good wor, although you will never convince the freeloaders.

      11. Don_J says:

        “Matt
        Amanda, when has a business or rich person come to you asking for more money?”

        Really, are you serious? Every time Target or Medtronic or some other huge corporation demands more in tax breaks to “give us jobs”, that’s when! Do they knock on my door, no but they may as well because they go directly to the source, the politicians that we elect. Can you honestly say that the jobs provided by any large corporation balances out what they receive in return in tax breaks… can you, if you can then you must work for one of these corporations and if you do then you may be next to loose your job when they want to “save money” by outsourcing what you do to China or India.

        And please, stop calling people selfish because they do not agree with your opinions.

      12. Don_J says:

        Hey Roger… a word of advice… you can’t call people names if you can’t spell.

      13. Matt says:

        Don,

        It sure seems to me like a tax break is pretty different from spending tax money. If you would have went with NFL owners asking for public money to build stadiums I would have agreed with you 100%. Your argument points out to the bloated government taking to much. Please try again.

      14. Gertrude says:

        Matt, couple of points. You are probably very comfortable financially. Just a guess. Not everyone is that fortunate. So people do the best they can, attempt to get the best job they can, factor in its benefits. To then reach mid-life and have their peace of mind taken from then is something you need to “try on” and see how you would feel. Our nation can afford national health, we can provide social security, medical assistance, welfare to those in need if we cut spending in other ares, such as defense/wars/coproate bailouts/executive pay ad parachutes. I have a cousin who went overseas for labor back in the 80’s so his company could make more money. He said so. Had nothing to do with unions. All the rich retirees in AZ go to dentists and get their drugs in Mexico cause it’s cheap. The wealthy hate spending a dime, don’t care about others and you call that redistribution of wealth. I think we need to redistribute humaneness. Our middle class is going away. Is that what you want to see. Average workers “earn” their pay possibly even more than you do. Maybe you are in sales or marketing, or some other predatory industry that lies to sell things, or sneaky half-truths to deceive.

      15. Matt says:

        Gertrude, I appreciate your pain but vastly disagree with your approach. To answer your question I am “comfortable” not because of my wages, but because I live within my means.

        As far as your statement about having your peace of mind taken from you. the only person that can do that to me is me. I save my money and invest and expect nothing in return from the government. I don’t count on social security to survive into my retirement. I give my time and money to the charities that I choose and am always willing to help a neighbor or friends.

        All that I ask is that government doesn’t take away what I have earned, that’s the only thing that I can’t count on. See society and government are two very different things and until that is understood we will have a country hooked on government spending on broke.

      16. dphilips says:

        Heres an idea Lets cut your salary,make you pay more for your healthcare! Easy for you to bark up the tree and criticize union members,futhermore why should we care about your kids?

      17. Matt says:

        dphilips,

        Go ahead and cut my salary and benefits, I’ll find a new job. I’m not afraid of putting my services on the open market.

      18. Ralph says:

        @ Matt in response to amanda Consider the money that goes to retirement accounts as part of their wage. Your tax money goes to the rich in the form of subsidies to farms. oil companies, TIF just to name a few things I can think of off the top of my head. It is not their retirement money, but it is money, Defense contractors, have you heard of one of them going broke?
        Yes wages need to be kept in line with what is happening in the community, but don’t hammer the foot soldiers, go whack at the administrators, the ones making the large profits.

      19. Sarah says:

        THanks matt, well spoken…
        Finally we can have some peace!!🙂

    3. Jayne Stoner Thompson says:

      nicely said!!!!!

    4. Harry Dilworth says:

      It is too late for that, pray that the man will pay them minimum age out of the goodness of his heart. There is little chance of negotiations, even less f a living wage – except for his own I am sure.

      1. Wealthy people aren't perfect says:

        @Matt,
        The owner of a large restaurant corporation that operated in 5 states had a daughter who had a baby out of wedlock. He is one of the richest men in Southern MN. She moved into subsidized housing and collected welfare benefits. They all thought it was funny. Not only did she take the housing and benefits from someone who really needed it, they made a big joke out of it and said they deserved it because of the taxes they pay. However at tax time, the grandpa bragged that he had the best accountant around and didn’t pay any taxes. That is when the wealthy abused the welfare system….

      2. Matt says:

        Wealthy people aren’t perfect…

        I agree that they are not, but you just highlighted EXACTLY what the problem is. Our welfare system is broken because anyone can abuse it. The only fair way to do it is to restore the power and the money to those who earn it and let them support the social framework.

        I hate when people abuse the system poor or rich, which is why the system needs to go.

        I hate when unions abuse the system or when business does which is why the system needs to go. This isn’t that complicated.

    5. yep says:

      A lot of people feel this way exactly. They voted to cut spending but never dreamed it would directly affect their job.

    6. Smarter than the average Dem says:

      Unions have done nothing other than destroyed America since the ’40’s, they were a good idea at one time, now they are pure corruption.

      You say the Republicans are rich, check the tax returns of any union boss for the last few year (oh, never mind, you won’t be able to find them).

      Find any union shop that any employee DARES to express any conservative views.

      You don’t like your “gun rights” that’s fine, keep marching with the rest of the Lemocrats.

      As far as the liberal media thinking they are going to make anyone with a brain believe this is going to make those of us that can think run scared good luck with that.

      Oh, that’s right, the Democrats would never think of “messing with our money” or voting against jobs (seems to me Walker did this to avoid laying off a bunch of idiot union members that the state couldn’t afford to pay any more??)

      Don’t Stop Believin’

  2. Right on Walker says:

    Typical union bull$hit – death threats,intimidation, etc. They need to get a life!!! Hats off to Governor Walker – We need more politicians who stand up and do what’s right.

    1. MNTP says:

      That’s right! Wisconsin is safer for Freedom loving Americans now. Minnesota is next!

      1. mn says:

        I’d like to understand your comment. Explain how you lost freedoms because of Unions.

      2. MNTP says:

        Unions destroy free enterprise and allow lazy socialsts to make more money than they are worth. Freedom loving Americans want a return to open shops where Liberty is the rule, not socialist control by DemocRAT thugs and gangster bosses.

      3. Heididog says:

        Not with a Democrat for a governor!

      4. M B says:

        Wow. The ignorance here is so profound I don’t have a rope long enough to measure the depth.

        Do you like your 40 hour work week? How about Holidays off? How about Weekends off? Or, maybe vacation Time? Benefits from your company? How about Overtime Pay? Minimum wage? Do you like these things?

        If so, then SURPRISE, you have the Unions to thank for these. Without the unions you so revile to lobby for worker’ rights, you would be working for less, working longer, working harder, have no benefits and would work yourself into a grave with no retirement.

        Is that what you want? Is that what you stand for? An under compensated and slave workforce? If you are, then you’re part of the problem. If not, then I suggest you actually LEARN about what happened in America’s past before the unions. I suggest that you read Mr. Sinclair’s “The Jungle” sometime. I’m not a great fan of unions, but they DO serve their purpose.

      5. MNTP says:

        MB, the 40 hour week, weekends off, overtime, etc are all extortion. Paid vacations and other benefits are for those who have MADE something of themselves and EARNED them. Socialist unions extort benefits and higher wages that drive honest entrepeneurs ouit of business. American workers are lazy, undisciplined, greedy and ungrateful. They should be glad to have jobs and demonstrate their appreciation by working HARDER rather than greedily demanding more and more. Maybe if you and your lazy union buddies wanted insurance and vacations, you should have studied harder in the public schools that my tax dollars already provided. Now you’ll get exactly what you deserve.

      6. Pieter says:

        MNTP,

        Yes, thanks to the unions for the 40 hr work week, vacation time/pay, weekends off etc.

        However, those items are now considered the norm. As a private sector employee, if my employer took those items away from me I would just leave the company and work for someone who provides them. Simple supply and demand of the private workforce: supply the right pay/vacation/benefits and you will receive a demand for the job.

        The government needs to get out of the business of doing business. Slowly phase out certain jobs to the private sector and supply contracts and create bidding wars.

      7. M B says:

        MNTP, Thanks for showing your true colors.
        Use the education YOU paid for? I paid for all my own college, and YOU weren’t the ONLY one paying for my Public Education. Don’t think you are so special to claim that exclusive right. Unless you went to private school, you weren’t the only one to pay for yours either, so don’t try to act high and mighty on that count. I pay into my local schools even though I have no kids, because I believe they deserve an education. Obviously you don’t.

        “Greedy, ungrateful and should work HARDER instead of demanding more and more?” You DO realize that American workers are currently making record productivity gains, right? Is that not enough? How much is enough? Should they all work 12-14 hour days? Should they give up their families, spouses, their whole lives to become your servants?

        Who are you comparing us to when you say we should work harder? The Chinese? Do you forget that they are still a Communist country and their wages average 57 cents and hour with abhorrent working conditions? We can’t EVER compete with that. Is that what you want the American worker to be like? If not, then tell me what you do want, because I’m not sure you even know yourself, but I am genuinely interested to hear.

        You assume I’m a Democrat. I’m not. I consider myself independent (please read carefully, I said independent, not An Independent). You assume I’m friendly with the Unions. If you actually read my post instead of frothing as soon as you read something you didn’t like you’d know I don’t particularly like them. But, they DO serve a purpose. You assume that just because I support the union on this issue, I’m a socialist. Guess what, I’m not. That’s a lot of wrong assumptions. To use your phrase, maybe you should “use that education WE paid for” for and educate yourself without relying exclusively on the hard right bias.

        I have no problems with companies making money. Not in the slightest. When they start to abuse the system so they can abuse the workers, THEN I have a problem. The problem is, that companies without oversight will ALWAYS abuse employees, because if there’s one fundamental factor, it is that once someone has money/power, they seldom want to give it up. Religion certainly doesn’t seem to be curbing the greed.

        Removing the unions unfortunately is one step to removing that oversight, and that’s what this whole argument is about: removing unions. Because if Walker was true to his word about bargaining, this wouldn’t have gone past the point where the unions agreed to the benefits cuts.

        Next time you think public unions aren’t a good idea, and if/when they’re gone, go ahead and call 911 when your house is burning down or being broken into, because I’m sure being underpaid and overworked is going to motivate them to risk their lives for you.

    2. Mike says:

      YES!!
      I’m voting for Walker!!!

  3. Roger says:

    Why does everyone get upset when the will of the majority votes for change? This is what Wisconsin voters wanted and what the people of America wants. And for God’s sake, someone do something about Jesse Jackson.

    1. gauffsa says:

      Wanting change does not mean ANY change. Clearly, it was NOT what they wanted, and what a surprise, the Republicans passed what will work best for them (“them” being the rich CEO’s, not the lower-down the chain Republicans brainwashed into believing these higher ups are even marginally interested in doing anything for their benefit).

      It will always confound me how anyone but the rich would be Republican. All I can say is I hope they learn something from this.

      1. TF says:

        Gauffsa,

        I’m a Republican because I believe in being paid based on the results of my work, not the redistribution of wealth. Personally I am annoyed by the Christian right because church and politics are two different ballgames.

        I can not understand how ANYONE could justify the democratic redistribution policies as being fair. PLEASE someone explain that to me.

    2. scott says:

      I am from wisconsin voted for this loser. I guarantee he wont get back in. We want goverment smaller not less for the blue collar people

    3. dphilips says:

      The people made a huge mistake in voting! Most people dont know the issues when thy go to the polls! This is not what America wants You will see come 2012 As for your comment in Jesse Jackson RACIST! What would you suggest
      lynch him?

  4. Drilled in Philly says:

    If you have a Union job an voted Republican these are the consequences.Get ready Philly you are about to get drilled big time,oh sorry the drilling has already started.

  5. dan says:

    Everybody wants lower taxes and a balanced budget…..as long as it doesn’t affect them. That’s not going to work people. Cuts have to affect someone. Let’s not lose sight of what’s important here.

    Unions should not be able to force people to pay union dues as a condition of employment. If want to participate, fine. You have no right to force your coworkers to join.

    If public sector unions do exist they either have to give up collective bargaining or not contribute to political campaigns. Give money to those you are going to be bargaining with is ridiculous. We know this doesn’t work. Just look at some of the insane benifits and rules that have been collectively bargained. Bus drivers and prision guards would never make $150k in the free market. How about completely eliminating merit and performance when it comes to pay or promotion?

    Employers should have the choice to collectively bargain or not. No employer should be forced to work with a union. Voluntary association is the bedrock of a free economy.

  6. shirley says:

    PEOPLE, tHE UNIONS ARE BACKED BY THE DEMOCRATS CAUSE THEY KEEP THE JOBS HERE, THE REPUBLICANS ARE BACKED BY THE WEALTHY, WHO GET THE TAX BREAKS, BECAUSE THEY BRING JOBS IN, THE JOBS THEY SENT OVERSEAS! NEXT IF THE REPUBLICANS GET ELECTED THEY ARE ALL READY TALKING ABOUT CUTTING BACK ON SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE, AND ANYTHING ELSE TO BALANCE THE BUDGET! CAN YOU NOT SEE THE HAND WRITING ON THE WALL??????????

    1. TF says:

      So if you write in all capitals it makes it true.

      Shirley, if you are such and expert please explain the pro’s and con’s of outsourcing?

      1. Rep. Michele Bachmann says:

        The pros and cons of outsourcing. Pros they get cheap labor. CON we the american people lose jobs. What do you not understand about that?

    2. Taking jobs says:

      shirley, The unions are the main culprit for taking jobs out of the country! Between the unions and the taxes, many companies can’t afford to hire people and will go overseas to do it!

      1. Don_J says:

        @Taking jobs… you REALLY don’t believe that BS do you? What you meant to say was that Union jobs are the only jobs that ARE protected (somewhat) from being sent overseas, right?

    3. scott says:

      You still get your fat check Michele and your goverment benny’s the unions were willing to give up money. not there rights

    4. sad says:

      a balanced budget and a safer economy? come on Shirley if we keep spending the way we have been, we will be a third world country, how can that be better than taking cuts now so we ensure a stronger future. Something is better than nothing. Just because you get yours, but nothing is left for your children? That sounds mean. Take some cuts now, so there is a future for our children.

      1. Don_J says:

        OK… say the budget gets balanced… if we’re not taking in any money in higher taxes what happens in the next go round, where doe the money come from? Maybe the Koch Brothers and their rich buddies will make us a loan… but for what in return, you’ve already sold them your soul.

    5. Pieter says:

      I don’t like your tone ma’am.

    6. Chris says:

      SHIRLEY, CAN YOU TELL US HOW THE UNIONS KEEP JOBS HERE?

      THAT KEEPS COMING UP AND WE CANNOT FOLLOW THE LOGIC…

  7. TF says:

    This whole thing is smoke and mirrors by the unions, they are busing people in and rallying the naive college students to inflate their cause.

    If only we had an unbiased media to tell a true story this would be a complete non issue as the public union benefits WITHOUT collective bargaining are still better than the private sector.

    1. Taking jobs says:

      TF, I did notice that there were a lot of college kids protesting, in which most of them don’t even have a job!

      1. Badger Man says:

        Really….you’re asking about college kids protesting in MADISON. Love my Badgers, but it is one of the most liberal schools in the country. Of course they will protest. Walker will be famous for this. No longer will the Unions chase jobs away by making corporations pay $40+ an hour for unskilled labor. Have you been to Detroit lately? Wow, look what the Unions did there. Peace!

    2. scott says:

      What Walker did was cause division. This is why the rich get richer they stick together,Thats why this wont happen in the medical field they are all over paid but no one will go after there rights because of fear of what would happen if the doctors and nurses didnt go to work. Blue collar people are to stupid to stand by each other. We deserve the money we are making today and more by way of inflation. But because we dont stick together it wont happen and the rich will get richer. Its true we dont have to be supported by high buck unions. We can suport ourself with independent unions where all the dues go back to the people.

  8. Jon says:

    taking jobs! The jobs are going to China because they pay on average 13 dollars a day! Unions aren’t the bad guys here, it’s the corrupt politicians who are bought and paid for by likes of the Koch brothers and others. Maybe gun rights should be debated next, we can’t afford to keep America safe because it cost too dam much! Our country is going broke because of handguns.how do you think this debate would go! NRA would bus people in to the ends of the earth to defend their RIGHTS!

    1. Take jobs says:

      Jon! Gee, I wonder why people in China are getting the US jobs? China has no union…! I don’t know what gun rights have to do with this anyway! I will give you a good example….Department 56 ….The little lit houses cost us around $75-$100 because Department 56 sends the work to China. If they didn’t and we had union workers do the work, do you know what kind of increase those little lit houses would cost? Nobody could afford to pay what they would cost!

      1. Fred says:

        It’s nice to know that Republicans want to bring the average Chinese worker’s standard of living here to the United States. I hope this is their campaign message.

        Yeah, China has no labor unions. They also have a brutal dictatorship, environmental disaster, and no rights for the common man. Sounds like a Republican’s wet dream.

  9. Mike says:

    I am a blue collar worker from Wisconsin and all I ask is for the Unions to help out a little bit . 6 % of their retirement and 12 % of their health costs . Boy I wish I had a deal like that . It’s time for the Union to quit fighting for status quo and realize that we are hurting . I’ve had to cash in 100 % of my 401 k just to get by while still paying almost 100 % of their benefits . Fairness Please !!

    1. Annoyed says:

      Sounds like someone is a little jealous???

  10. David M x-dem says:

    I want Minnesota have a law like Wisconsin. Does anyone know where we can go to STOP this breaking of America by public service unions? I too just switched form a life long DFLer to GOP because of this issue. 50 yrs. The truth is simple. DFLers support public unions having lavish pensions to get votes now and then let future generations pay for these pensions. The DEMs who jump on this bandwagon think voters are stupid and will not see through all the hype and lies of why voters want public pension reform.

    1. dan says:

      We’ll need a Republican Governer for that. Either that or a veto proof majority. Let’s hope that happens.

    2. Working at 70 says:

      Lavish?

      Not in Minnesota pal.

      1. David says:

        W 70, please give me an example if this is in reference to a normal government pension. Maybe I need to learn something. thanks.

  11. Kurt says:

    Go on STRIKE and RECALL his butt

  12. Stien says:

    Who in MN is collecting a fat pension that is breaking our state? When they collect these pensions, where do they spend the money? Sounds like a few folks need some education! Maybe in more ways than one!

    1. Matt says:

      Stein, right now there are $15B in unfunded liabilities because of public sector unions in the state of Minnesota.

      http://freedomfoundationofminnesota.com/minnesotas-unfunded-liabilities-raise-new-concerns

      Like Social Security, it’s not a problem now, but it’s going to be a big one in the future.

      1. Stien says:

        Matt!

        Love it! Who is funding this organization? I know, you can’t tell me! They hide behind IRS codes. Also, let’s actually see the numbers not some manipulated numbers by a far…. far….. right rag! Keep drinking the tea! A REAL report will be out before July……stay tuned!

  13. Stien says:

    Public pensions in the St of Mn are funded not only by the tax payer, but also by the employees. Fact is the majority of the benefits are paid by investment returns. Public pensions pump 3.7 billion into our states economy. Let’s take 3.7 bill out of this state……….please! That’s what we need right now.

    1. BLIND from your tears! says:

      WHO PAYS the Public workers PAY! Tax payers?

      See! You people can not see the forest through the trees!

      1. Stien says:

        You are right! Lets get rid of all Public workers! Who needs cops, teachers, roads, parks, jails and such. I could go on, but I doubt you’ll get it! These public workers you speak of also make less money than private sector employees. So not only do you get these perks, but you pay .06 cents on the dollar for it! What a rip off huh?

        Who pays your wages? Careful how you answer! Are you really that smart?

      2. Fred says:

        Yes, the public pays for public services. Republicans don’t want to pay taxes–OK. Just don’t call the fire department when your house is ablaze, and stay off all publicly funded roads.

  14. Dang Straight says:

    Canceled a family reunion in the Wisconsin Dells this morning. Walker doesn’t need my Minnesota money nor that of relatives from Indiana and Illinois. 32 people total.

    Anyone know a family friendly resort in Illinois? I’d like to have it in Minnesota, but that would mean a big drive for the Indiana rellies.

    1. MNTP says:

      Lots of room in socialist Illinois, DS, now that the treasonous DemocRAT senators have vacated their hotel rooms. Enjoy your pinko vacation. Real Americans are still welcome in Wisconsin, land of Freedom!

      1. Fred says:

        All you’ve got is name calling and childish nicknames. I bet you’re a huge hit on the playground.

    2. Money Bags? says:

      WOW! You MUST be a UNION member to be able to AFFORD that!

      Trust me…that reservation will be filled up quicker than it was made….don;t think that action will have ANY affect….

      1. Fred says:

        Yeah, the Dells is like the Taj Mahal of the Midwest.

  15. barb says:

    Way to go Walker!! If I didn’t detest the Packers so much I would move to WI

    1. U Haul says:

      I’ll help you pack, Barb.

      1. Someone else Haul says:

        U Haul…I’m SURE she would ask you…..but I am SURE your UNION would demand pay that is 20% HIGHER than the average worker….you would DEMAND breaks every 10 min…and the second you DIDN’T SHOW to complete the job..the UNION would hire a lawyer to SUE barb to pay you!
        No thanks

  16. RN in MN says:

    If it were not for the unions you would not have the boundaries that exist in the workplace now. Unions fought for fair labor and won, because of a union I am paid a living wage that is fair for the state I live in and for the education that I have acquired through hard work. It was not given to me as many people suggest. I pay for my health insurance and contribute to a 401K, as well as pay my union dues!!!

    1. A sip of tea a day keeps the DR away says:

      @RN….Yes….back in the 20’s!!! Unions were GREAT back when factory workers had their HANDS cut off due to poor working conditions…and were FORCED to work 18 hour days…..but those days are WELL behind us!
      With Fair Labor laws and OSHA……there is NO LONGER a NEED for unions…
      Seems the ONLY people that fight for Unions are the ones who get paid BOAT loads of $$ or have benefits that FAR exceed the ones the private sector get….
      Just like when Unions were formed a long time ago….it’s JUST as important in the 2000’s we REFORM what they do!
      Even buildings built by UNION LABOR from 80 years ago have to be rebuilt as the TIMES CHANGE….and there are UPDATES needed….the SAME is said for the unions….Time to CHANGE!
      You still have a union….you still have a job with FAIR pay! The second that changes….let me know..THEN you have an argument!

      1. Vote Union Yes says:

        Guess again IDIOT.

      2. Fred says:

        Overuse of ellipses is an INCREDIBLY compelling argument. Keep it up.

    2. an Old Teacher says:

      Dear RN in MN-

      YOU have what you have because you were smart enough to get an education in an important industry, not because of your union. You are successful not because of your union but because of your skills and our system of capitalism. I am glad you are talented and successful RN. I was a teacher for 35 years and I loved every day of my career. During that time my union did nothing but take my money and protect those teachers who had no passion and or skills.

      1. Right on Walker says:

        @an Old Teacher
        Well said!! And you are 100% correct. Unions promote mediocrity -tenure over performance. They use bullying tactics and union leaders get paid big bucks to tell the average worker to go on strike and battle for their protection – all the while they get paid and the front line worker suffers. Figure it out – get a job where performance is rewarded and you may even want to go to work, then you will realize how worthless your union really is!!!

      2. Tea thinks you ROCK! says:

        Teacher….we NEED more people like you!!!! God bless you and the job you did! I bet you were a GREAT teacher!

  17. Tea says STOP! It's OVER! says:

    I LOVE IT!! I LOVE that the Cry Baby Dems are saying this is not “FAIR”! Fair? It’s not FAIR my PAY was cut 20% from 2007…..it’s not FAIR I pay MORE for health insurance today than I did 2 years ago…it’s not FAIR my PAY was FROZEN for a year and my raises were LESS than inflation for the last 2 years!
    Bottom line is WE (The tax payers) pay THEIR (Govt workers) Salary!
    If WE are all taking the hit…THEY should to!
    Walker is fighting to keep the WI State Govt a WORKING (non-profit) BUSINESS! The min you cry baby Dem’s (Again..not ALL are cry baby) and “Union Protected” workers REALIZE that…you will understand!
    It’s about FAIR and EQUAL pay and benefits! NOT about “stripping rights”!!!!
    So…..let’s ALL band together and do what’s RIGHT for all of us! The min you union workers make LESS than the private sector, or teachers are subject to unfair labor laws…I’ll be 100% behind you…but for now….suck it up and do what the REST of the US is doing, and change with the times!
    MAN I am SO SICK of this complaining, when you STILL have jobs and FAIR PAY!

    1. Constitutional Guy says:

      Rights, granted by law, were stripped away by Walker today.

      Will your rights be next? If so, I know I won’t be whooping a hollering if it happens to you.

      WE the people……….

      1. MNTP says:

        Rights? What rights? I keep hearing all this crying and whining about “rights”. Where in the Constitution does it say that lazy socialists and their gangster bosses have a right to a free ride? I’ll tell you what your right is. You all have the right to work for what you’re paid or starve. If you don’t like it, get on the bus to Illinois.

      2. Just STOP with you WORTHLESS points! says:

        Where are UNIONS listed in the Constitution! WOW! Keep grasping at those straws!

      3. kjc says:

        What rights would you be commenting on…………….oh yeah, thats right…..the majority of us are not Union….we are had working Americans that have to stand up for ourselves when it comes to certain items and realize that things need to change before the entire Country falls apart, and if that means, taking a pay cut, well then so be it………..I also miss the part in the constitution where it states that rights include Healthcare and Pensions for Unions…….

      4. Cindy says:

        What about my rights and the rights of my children not to pay for lavish government union pensions? Stop hiding behind words the “workers rights”. I am not rich but do not want ot pay more taxes to support these pensions that are out of line with the private sector.That is MY RIGHT! I do not have a life time, inflation protected pension handed to me by the government paid with tax money from real working people. … stop muttering “works rights” between your slurpping at the government trough… we are very sick of that.

      5. Matt says:

        If this was a RIGHT it couldn’t be stripped away. This was a privilege that wasn’t even afforded to public sector unions until 1959. Stop calling it a right.

      6. Fred says:

        “Right” isn’t really the correct word in my opinion. But the government of Wisconsin entered into agreements with teachers’ unions that this governor has now weaseled out of.

    2. Annoyed says:

      Sounds like a little jealousy going on??? I think some are forgetting who these “Govt workers” are? My husband is a Public Union Employee in Wisconsin. The next time it snows, please tell me who is going to plow you out of your driveway and fix the roads you drive on everyday. If anyone claims these guys have it “easy”, I’m sorry, but you are sorely mistaken. Do a little research on the subject.

  18. Unionguy says:

    The unions should have been busted… The only thing a union provides is Job security and gaurentted wage increases foir lazy city and government workers… Trust me I was a city worker for 5 years and a union meneber. Unions are worthless and cost way to much money

    1. demodan says:

      Agreed… you are right on!!!!

      1. supporter of unions says:

        I worked my A** off to get a good job (county)…..Very Very Very happy I don’t have a guy like that for a Gov.

        I’ll be keeping my money in my state……….

        so many jelous people on here geez……..

  19. Dave says:

    Breaking news: “Unions Are Now Demanding Multi-Million Dollar Refunds From Democrats”

    1. HAHA Tea! says:

      LOL! I love it Dave!

  20. joe union says:

    Every day should be kick a REPUBLICAN”S ass day.

    1. 6' 4" of Repub FURY! says:

      OH…boohoo Joe…..Funny a DEM like you is threating violence! I bet you were the 1st one on the “Anti-republican violence” bus after the shootings….

      Shows your TRULLY a moron!

      1. Fred says:

        “Shows your TRULLY a moron!” = IRONY

  21. barb says:

    wow Joe. You’re showing your bully side.

  22. Rich says:

    I’ve cancelled my trip to the Dells and my Lake Michigan fishing trip is leaving out of Illinois this year. You’re broke Wisconsin –getting broker!

    1. Right on Walker says:

      I’m sure the couple hundred bucks you were going to spend will break the state! You are hilarious – I’m also sure Wisconsin could care a less if a union goon like you doesn’t lower their average state IQ while you’re in town!

      1. Fred says:

        Personal insults. Is that all you have?

        I avoided filling up in Wisconsin the other day so as not to contribute to their budget. Almost ran out of gas, but I made it to Minnesota. Maybe if enough like-minded people do the same and similar, it will have an effect. Elections have consequences. So do decisions made by elected officials.

        I’m looking forward to the personal insult that’s sure to follow this post. Fire away.

  23. CATMB says:

    Tea?
    Are you suggesting that because I am a “Union Government Employee” that I DO NOT pay taxes? Are YOU suggesting that I have it made because I am a “Union Government Employee”? When my taxes go up my wages DO NOT, which means I am taking the hit just like everyone else, hit twice as hard if you put any thought into it! Inflation effects everyone, even the “Union Government Employee”. I don’t know how to balance the budget and neither do you or the politicians for that matter. We all have to wait to see if the decision made by Walker was the right thing to do for the state of Wisconsin.

    1. Tea again says:

      Hey CatMB…I understand your point….and thank you for the response…I guess my point is my pay has decreased….and due to that…..the amount of taxes I pay in is LESS! I also no longer have the disposable income to buy items that are taxed…again…resulting in LESS tax to do things like pay you…..OR..this would be the case in a FAIR world….
      So…with these situations…WHY should my taxes go UP to support your pay increases and benefits….and yes…my taxes have gone UP! (Just like yours!)
      So…I make LESS money than I did in 2007…yet my tax rate is HIGER?
      Your tax rate is higher as well…..BUT your pay has either remained the SAME, or in typical “union” fashion…has improved!
      All I am saying is the private sector has taken a larger hit than the “public” sector…and you really cannot argue that…..

      1. CATMB says:

        Hey Tea…I haven’t had a raise in 5 years or a cost of living increase (COLA) in 3…If you really want to be informed about what happens in Government ask a Government employee. I live in a house in a community much like you, my taxes go up, yet my wages go down … I am not insulated from what happens in the economy because I hold a Government job. I get taxed on most everything I do or buy, heck I shop out of the County I live in because the taxes are too high in the County I live in. It is the wolrd we live in… I work hard and everyday I am in fear that my job will disapear too, like 5 of my co-workers (all laid off in the past 2 years). My message is… don’t sit there and act like you know how it is in Government. Our opinions are biased because of who we work for, but our butts are on line everyday no differently. I will say it again, if you really want to know what goes on in Government, then ask someone who works in Government.

  24. MN Mic says:

    From a person who is middle of the road. Meaning; a person that would like to see a fairly balanced budget. I’m not proposing that a cut wasn’t needed, but why just the Unions?

    Aren’t police, firefighters, and the representatives also public employees? And why were these exempted? I think people are asking the wrong questions in this forum. A balanced budget is something everyone should strive for, but it looks like the only one part of the WI family is ponying up the difference (at least from the cuts in the state employee salary and benefits).

    1. MN Mic says:

      To add to my original:

      The greatest sin that a parent can do is favor one child over another. I think the same holds true for Government or anywhere else in which people must try to get along and live/work with each other.

    2. Annoyed says:

      Exactly! When is Governor Walker going to forfeit his income to help with the budget. Oh yeah, that will never happen….

  25. Murph says:

    Hillbillygoverning is here! But for how long?

  26. B says:

    Just another republican they dont do any good for this country they are the reason why this country is in so much debt thanks Bush

  27. Kev from MN says:

    I also will not vacation in WI this year and try not to purchase dairy products from that state. However I am a little curious on how much of a jump WI property taxes will be if local governments will not be recieving support from the state.

    1. Matt says:

      Good, honestly I think that busting up a public sector union is a good thing, but you are exercising the freedom that we all have.

      Personally I’ll try and offset you by shopping in WI to support them.

  28. Farkle says:

    I can see the writing on the wall, that being,we are headed for a civil war. I am a moderate and can see both sides of the argument. I agree the unions are out of control while also I also agree, the politicians have sold us down the river and across the ocean.I ask in all fairness, has anybody heard of any of the politicians volunteering to take a pay cut or their per-deim to help the nation rein in our budget ?
    When I headed for my days work, I had to pay for my own gas and travel expense. It is also the politicians that have perks that amount to millions of dollars born on the backs of the working class hero.. I don’t know of one nation where the govt. suffers along with the people of that nation.All I have to do is go to the history books and read about, Russia, Germany, the United States, Iraq, Libya, Japan and so on. It is a sad state of affairs for the world.
    Not meaning to sound like a spiritual being which I am, I read where Jesus, for those of us who believe in Him, told in the scriptures, A housee devided against itsefl shall perish. What can be more prophetic then to watch our Govt. beimg divided against itself.

    1. Tea Fears God says:

      I understand you Farkle…..
      And as a slight right winger….I agree!
      I HOPE this is the beginning of govt pay reform! There is SO MUCH waste on the Govt end. And SO MANY programs that NEED to be changed! (Politician pay…welfare….govt programs…etc…)
      I just see this as the START to something good!
      I know we all get a little aggressive in our posts….but it’s just because it’s so frustrating…..I’ll stand with you in trying to stand together with my fellow MN….

  29. Rob Wagner says:

    Great Job Scott Walker. Now maybe the 14 lazy democrats will come back to work.

    1. MN Mic says:

      I give him credit for balancing the budget, but I think he’s created a political sin; favoring one group over another.

    2. yesssirrrreeeee says:

      He!! yeas Rob Wagner. Then the lazy bullchitting GOP can have the rest of the year off in the woods enjoying each other. And their animals … yuck

  30. TOMMY HO says:

    The Political Economy Of Government Employee Unions
    March 10, 2011 by Thomas J. DiLorenzo

    The main reason so many State and local governments are bankrupt, or on the verge of bankruptcy, is the combination of government-run monopolies and government-employee unions.

    Government-employee unions have vastly more power than do private-sector unions because the entities they work for are typically monopolies.

    When the employees of a grocery store, for example, go on strike and shut down the store, consumers can simply shop elsewhere, and the grocery-store management is perfectly free to hire replacement workers. In contrast, when a city teachers’ or garbage-truck drivers’ union goes on strike, there is no school and no garbage collection as long as the strike goes on. In addition, teachers’ tenure (typically after two or three years in government schools) and civil-service regulations make it extremely costly if not virtually impossible to hire replacement workers.

    Thus, when government bureaucrats go on strike they have the ability to completely shut down the entire “industry” they “work” in indefinitely. The taxpayers will complain bitterly about the absence of schools and garbage collection, forcing the mayor, governor, or city councilors to quickly cave in to the union’s demands to avoid risking the loss of their own jobs due to voter dissatisfaction. This process is the primary reason why, in general, the expenses of State and local governments have skyrocketed year in and year out, while the “production” of government employees declines.

    For decades, researchers have noted that the more money that is spent per pupil in the government schools, the worse is the performance of the students. Similar outcomes are prevalent in all other areas of government “service.” As Milton Friedman once wrote, government bureaucracies—especially unionized ones—are like economic black holes where increased “inputs” lead to declining “outputs.” The more that is spent on government schools, the less educated are the students. The more that is spent on welfare, the more poverty there is and so on. This of course is the exact opposite of normal economic life in the private sector, where increased inputs lead to more products and services, not fewer.

    Thirty years ago, the economist Sharon Smith was publishing research showing that government employees were paid as much as 40 percent more than comparable private-sector employees. If anything, that wage premium has likely increased.

    The enormous power of government-employee unions effectively transfers the power to tax from voters to the unions. Because government-employee unions can so easily force elected officials to raise taxes to meet their “demands,” it is they, not the voters, who control the rate of taxation within a political jurisdiction. They are the beneficiaries of a particular form of taxation without representation (not that taxation with representation is much better). This is why some States have laws prohibiting strikes by government-employee unions. (The unions often strike anyway.)

    Politicians are caught in a political bind by government-employee unions: If they cave in to their wage demands and raise taxes to finance them, then they increase the chances of being kicked out of office themselves in the next election. The “solution” to this dilemma has been to offer government-employee unions moderate wage increases but spectacular pension promises. This allows politicians to pander to the unions but defer the costs to the future, long after the panderers are retired from politics.

    As taxpayers in California, Wisconsin, Indiana and many other States are realizing, the future has arrived. The Wall Street Journal reports that State and local governments in the United States currently have $3.5 trillion in unfunded pension liabilities. They must either raise taxes dramatically to fund these liabilities, as some have already done, or drastically cut back or eliminate government-employee pensions.

    Government-employee unions are primarily interested in maximizing the profits of the union. Consequently, they use civil-service regulations as a tool to protect the job of every last government bureaucrat, no matter how incompetent or irresponsible he or she is. Fewer employed bureaucrats mean fewer union dues are being paid. Thus, it is almost guaranteed that government-employee unions will challenge in court the attempted dismissal of all bureaucrats save the occasional ones who are accused of actual criminal behavior. This means that firing an incompetent government school teacher, for example, can take months, or years, of legal wrangling.

    Politicians discovered long ago that the most convenient response to this dilemma is to actually reward the incompetent bureaucrat with an administrative job that he or she will gladly accept, along with its higher pay and perks. That solves the problem of parents who complain that their children’s math teacher cannot do math, while eliminating the possibility of a lawsuit by the union. This is why government-school administrative offices are bloated bureaucratic monstrosities filled with teachers who can’t teach and are given the responsibilities of “administering” the entire school system instead. No private-sector school could survive with such a perverse policy.

    Government-employee unions are also champions of “featherbedding”—the union practice of forcing employers to hire more than the number of people necessary to do the job. If this occurs in the private sector, the higher wage costs will make the firm less competitive and less profitable. It may even go bankrupt, as the heavily unionized American steel, automobile and textile industries learned decades ago.
    No such thing happens in government, where there are no profit-and-loss statements, in an accounting sense, and most agencies are monopolies anyway.

    Featherbedding in the government sector is viewed as a benefit to both politicians and unions—but certainly not to taxpayers. The unions collect more union dues with more government employees, while the politicians get to hand out more patronage jobs. Each patronage job is usually worth two or more votes, since the government employee can always be counted on to get at least one family member or close friend to vote for the politician who gave him the job. This is why, in the vast literature showing the superior efficiency of private versus government enterprises, government almost always has higher labor costs for the same functions.

    Every government-employee union is a political machine that lobbies relentlessly for higher taxes, increased government spending, more featherbedding and more pension promises—while demonizing hesitant taxpayers as uncaring enemies of children, the elderly and the poor (who are purportedly “served” by the government bureaucrats the unions represent).
    It is the old socialist trick that Frédéric Bastiat wrote about in his famous essay, The Law: The unions view advocates of school privatization, not as legitimate critics of a failed system, but as haters of children. And the unions treat critics of the welfare state, not as persons concerned with the destruction of the work ethic and of the family that has been caused by the welfare state, but as enemies of the poor.

    This charade is over. American taxpayers finally seem to be aware that they are the servants, not the masters, of government at all levels. Government-employee unions have played a key role in causing bankruptcy in most American States, and their pleas for more bailouts financed by endless tax increases are finally ringing hollow.

    1. Yikes says:

      Brought to you by Michelle Bachmann and the Pe Tea Party.
      But don’t tap into my hubby’s insurance scamming business now…. nooooooooo way that gonna happen under my PeeTea Watch 😉

      1. Patriot says:

        Laugh now, Yikes. 2012 will be here soon, and the Tea Party will in the White House. All of you atheist, liberal socialist traitors will be laughing out the other side then!

    2. Too LONG!!! says:

      I lost you after “The Main Reason”….

      WOW! This is a BLOG…not a place to showcase a BOOK!

  31. totally pizzzzed off and fed up with both sides says:

    come 2012 it will be interesting to see what party is hiding under what rock.
    I dunno but sense there will be huge backlash against the Rep. party.

    This Walker deal aside – they have to many true nuts like King, Bachmann,Palin and others who have me scratching my head wondering what planet sent all the aliens here? They must be having a load of laughs daily. Someone just might say game over at some point and shut off the lights on the USA and send us back to the Libya starting point on the board. Far fetched? I don’t think so anymore. We just love to hate in America – called envy I guess. They just play you all like a board game.

    1. Be Careful for what you wish for says:

      Good point PIZZZED…..let’s see what happens in 2012……Remember….I think the polls showed 60% of people supported Walker! You MIGHT be suprised in what you find!

    2. Tiredofthewhiners says:

      Another example of the lack of any semblence of what used to be called ‘journalism’. They did not lose “rights”…they lost “privileges” that they were given and now needed–for many reasons–to be taken back. There is a HUGE difference. Gimmee, gimmee, gimmee. Everything is a “right” when you approach life as a victim.

      1. Was his NAME-O says:

        BINGO!

  32. jon says:

    If you are middle class working in the private sector this will directly affect your raises and benefits in the future as well. Private business will no longer have to compete with union wages/benefits so they will cut as well because of this.

    If you make between $30,000 and $80,000 a year in the private sector and think this will benefit you I am sorry to say you have another thing coming.

    I just assumed everyone knew this.

    1. Dan says:

      Bingo – you hit the nail right squarely on the head.. That is exactly what will happen…

  33. RonPaulforPres says:

    Governor Walker is supposed to be up here in my Wisconsin county this weekend,and word has it that protestors will be out in the town i live by.I allready made my”look at these idiots” sign with an arrow pointing …as the states argue over these matters,distracting people from the real causes of the ecomomic downturns and state debts,and those criminals at the Federal level,who still allow the Fed Reserve to keep the fiat money printing presses rolling,futures markets and hedgefunds deregulated,Billions of dollars to the military complex,Billions of dollars flowing into foreign central banks,as well as jobs…the list goes on and on

  34. Lisa Gonyea says:

    Check the Fed govt employees…no collective bargaining..signed into law by Dem Jimmy Carter. As to Union members taxes going up like the rest of us…might be, but we are paying your wages and pensions which are generally far better than ours. Example of Unions NOT benefitting members..a few years ago my daugher worked for Robbinsdale school district. Her healthcare for her and family (child)..were over 700.00 monthly. Becuase of UNION rules she was unable to opt out for her husband’s insurance. Gotta love that union…and the coverage wasn’t even that good.

  35. too little too late says:

    @jon….WOW are YOU behind the times…it already HAS “affected” us!

  36. Edna says:

    No one can predict what will happen in the future. But why shouldn’t the public employees pay towards their retirement and health packages. the rest of us do. They still have it better than most of us. The federal employees don’t even have as good a deal as the Wisconsin union members after the legislation passed.

  37. uniondude says:

    i’m in a private international union.I pay big money outta my checks for benefits and it really isnt fair that public union employees get all theirs paid for and make better wages.i also have to work a full 40 hour week.if i dont do a good job,andwork hard ,and productively,i get fired,no hand-outs.if i don’t work,i dont get paid.public employees are paid through the peoples taxes and makebetter take home wages than i do.not fair.

  38. thosePoorPackerFansBooHoo says:

    yeah it sucks to get your bargaining rights taken away. but i look at it this way, when you’re supporting a family, it’s better to have a job with less benefits than no job at all. at least you still have a pay check coming in…unlike others who just get their jobs eliminated in efforts to save money.

    1. Don_J says:

      “…but i look at it this way, when you’re supporting a family, it’s better to have a job with less benefits than no job at all. at least you still have a pay check coming in…”

      …and that is exactly what they were hoping people would say. Sometimes you need to take a stand, today its union rights, what’s it going to be tomorrow? But I hear you, you do what you have to that is right for you. I’m not a fan of unions by no means, but I do understand the need for them and I respect that, this did not need to happen, not this way.

  39. Jackie P says:

    So sick and tired of hearing about the “poor” public workers and the Republicans attacking middle America. For years the benefits public workers have been on the backs of the middle Americans they are so quick to categorize themselves as. They are middle Americans BUT so am I and millions more! I have paid their benefits and put up with having to have poor teachers that are extremely ineffective for my children far too long. Their jobs are protected by their unions. It’s about time they too are judged on merit not on their status in the union or tenure. It’s about time that the school districts that hire these teachers have the right to fire them if they are not doing their jobs. It’s about time that they are paid on their accomplishments not their years of service and it’s about time that they are paid (pay and benefits) as the rest of middle America is paid. The few have been loud and clear so they look like the many. It’s time for everyone to look at this realistically and see that public employees have ridden the wave for long enough, it’s time for them to start swimming!

  40. Don_J says:

    As I read the comments from those of you who agree with the Wis. Gov…. it looks more as though you’re jealous or envious of union/public employees.

    1. Always from wisconsin says:

      Jealous? Hardly! I’ve been able to work my whole life and work hard. Haven’t had to pay a dime to a union for me to keep my job and gladly pay for my own benefits because I don’t want to be told what to do by a union. I work hard….don’t expect handouts and appreciate what I have. I took a pay cut the last 2 years and gladly kept doing my job. I wasn’t protesting on my CEO’s doorstep and if I did…I’d be fired. So…who’s jealous? I don’t have to keep a union in my back pocket to keep my job. I earn it!

    2. Tea is YOUR BOSS says:

      @Don-J Wait….in “theory” I AM THEIR employer! They work for ME and every other TAX PAYING person in WI!!!!
      So I think we SHOULD have say in their pay structure!
      Taxation without representation?
      Only a Union worker would forget that’s a RIGHT!

  41. Dave Seavy says:

    I agree fully with Matt. People don’t want higher taxes; they don’t want unions to go away; they want their cake and eat it too. And when cuts come up, eveybody cheers until it directly affects them. We can’t afford to continue with all the entitlements. We can’t afford to continue The nation is BROKE, and there must be cuts and changes in order to survive. It’s no fun, and to those whose decision today affects the most, I say to you that this is only the beginning. Many others will see special perks and bargaining fall a part eventually. They must, if we’re ever to get out of this financial mess we’re in. Scott Walker had the stones to do what needs to be done. Too bad other politicians can’t seem to go against the wind and accomplish the same thing.

    1. Matt says:

      Thanks Dave, may I make a suggestion… Ron Paul

      I won’t be to long winded defending him, but his basic principal is get the federal government out of the way. If a state wants to make a stupid law, setup a socialist utopia or have no government at all, that’s fine people can vote with their feet.

      For the left he’s absolutely against the nation building of the Bush’s and now Obama in Libya. Personally I would suggest everyone at least check out his stances.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Ron_Paul

      I know it’s Wikipedia, but give it a chance.

  42. Dan says:

    I don’t typically put my opinion on these out here so here goes
    .
    They are calling this a victory for the tax payer. Well I am a Taxpayer in WI. And I don’t see this as being a victory for the taxpayer. It may look like one and sound like one, but it is not. Here is why:

    Take the Public Schools for instance – the place that most people send their children 5 days a week. These schools are going to have to make major cuts – and yes they have been cutting for the past couple of years. And I do see that it will NOW come in the form of Teaching staff, as most districts have been cutting where they can to avoid Teaching Staff cuts-if Possible. So instead of seeing 20-30 kids in class you will see 50-60 kids per class if not more. Whatever the class size is now double it and that will be the new standard. These kids will not have any one on one time with the teacher. – Remember this parents when you complain because your child isn’t getting one on one time with the teacher . The Majority spoke. Programs like Art, Music, Phy Ed, and any Sports Programs will need to be cut. If not it will be fully funded by the parents that their kids want to participate in. As books and computers, and other supplies, which have been typically provided by the school district. It won’t be paid by the school district the tax payer. As a parent you will now need to buy your own books for the child, If you think the cost of school supplies is high now, you have not seen nothing yet. If the school district does continue to provide the items that are typically provided at the school district. And they furnish those need supplies, guess what here come FEES, rental for books, Art Fee, Music Fee, Band Fee, Marching Band Fee, Computer Fee, Desk fee, chair fee, Locker Fee, Lock Fees, Towel Fee, Science Lab Fee, Bus Transportation Fee(will be one for Sports, Band, Etc), Sports Impact Fee(One for Football, Basketball,Baseball), Misc Fees, Electricity Fee, Heat/Cooling fee and any other fee they can come up with. Remember 12 years not including Kindergarten and Pre K. You do the math. The school supplies that parents have typically purchased will look like peanuts to what you will know be paying now. But Parent Remember this – the a Majority Spoke. If you voted these people thank yourself.

    How many kids out there that don’t go continue education after High School education because of not able to afford the schooling.
    For all those people think our Education System is bad now. You just wait and see our Education System was just flushed down the toilet. And I can hear the whooshing sound. And all those high tech jobs – that we are suppose to have we won’t have no one that can do them. How will this create more jobs?

    NO I am not a Teacher. I am not a parent. I feel sorry for all you parents that their children that are not going to have a future. But you as a parent remember the Majority spoke. Parents when you start complaining and you start to see how it effects your children. Remember – Majority Spoke.
    For you parents when you start complaining and you voted for these people thank yourself.

    Remember the winter we had this year — All the Snow… The roads being cleared – in a reasonable time frame, And you being able to get to work. That is not going to happen anymore. As it will need to cut, cut, cut. It may be cleared in 1 week or 2 weeks or 1 month. Guess what you are fired because you had too many unplanned absences because of the roads as you couldn’t get to work. All the Small Business that rely on you each and everyday those will go out of business as they can’t survive without you. So you now have to go further away – more gas needed. But Remember the Majority spoke. We will now see toll roads or a fee for every road/street/bridge, etc. You can’t walk, drive, bicycle on it unless pay a fee. But Remember the Majority spoke.
    In the end I see this as something that will hurt our future and only end up costing each and every Tax Payer more money. They just will not call it a tax anymore – it will be a FEE. And end hurting each and everyone by having less jobs than we started. But remember the Majority Spoke.

    1. Tea Says REALLY? says:

      OH NO!!!! So you’re saying the union members will NOT step up and do their job? And the schools will provide a LOWER level of service? This is why this HAD to happen!!!
      #1- Your WRONG…..the schools in theory SHOULD get BETTER! Instead of LAY OFF’s to support the PAY of “tenured” teachers….the school system will be able to support MORE teachers so the teacher/student ration will be BETTER!

      If Union workers “retaliate” and do a POOR job because of this? It is just PROOF things needed to change!

      1. Dan says:

        NO I AM NOT SAYING THAT THE UNION MEMBERS WILL NOT STEP AND DO THEIR JOB.

        Do you know how much money schools figuring loosing in Aid. The amount of aid that is being antipated is muli – millions of dollors reduction – Depending on the school. When a budget gets cut that much people are let go.. Staff is reduced. As does any private sector business. Just look at big business. When they have to cut that much – who also gets cut – employees.

        Any time you cut staff – like it or not service is cut or reduced a level.

    2. Matt says:

      Dan, I have one simple question for you.

      How much is enough? How much do you need?

      1. Dan says:

        Matt,

        Are you asking how much money is need to properly educate the children of future?

      2. Matt says:

        Bingo… How much do the schools need, because all I can ever see is that it’s NEVER enough. How much do we need?

        I can’t speak for Wisconsin but school spending in Minnesota has increased faster than the rate of inflation for the past 15 years, so how much is enough?

      3. Dan says:

        Well Matt,
        For the past couple of years Wisconsin Education system seen cuts. Not increases but cuts, not froozen at previous levels but cuts. Last year it was 3%, and depending on the school district that number can verying amount. The budget cut in Wisconsin for education number is sounding like 900 MIllion for education .

        If school districts have been cutting for the past couple of years. That means they aleady have been already triming as much fat as posible. And getting lean.

        If they don’t have any other fat to cut, whats next.

  43. Dave Seavy says:

    By the way – it is true that the original function of the Federal Government was to defend the nation against enemies. Nothing more, nothing less. George Washington would have a massive heart attack if he saw what’s going on today.

      1. Tad G says:

        To echo what the GOP, and the DFL, like to say ….. time have changed Baby, times have changed.

        Ol’ George would not last a day in todays world with his ideas and ideals. They were perfect for his world and his time. He was perfect for his time.

        The whole sheebang is different. I’d love to go back to those times but it ain’t gonna happen.
        If you banked on the Fed Gov’t only defending us against enemies we’d be fighting a civil war on 5 fronts internally. Or not – odds are we’d have been wiped out by WWII if not sooner and be part of the global problems and not part of the solutions.
        That said – seems we trying our damnedest to destroy what we got internally anyway. I’m thinking throw away gubbermint and bring it on baby, bring it on. I’m ready to rumble lol

  44. shawn says:

    It really bothers me that people are calling those who wanted to keep their bagaining rights selfish.
    I think it is very self centered and narcissistic to say that because I don’t have it as good as you, you shouldn’t either. I find that to be a very lame reason to be okay with the steady decline of benefits or wages.
    It is sad that people are more jealous of the gap of their benefits with teachers and firefighters, than ceo’s whose salaries and bonuses are a slap in the face of every average person. Goodbye middle class….

    1. TF says:

      If you were talking about the private sector I would agree, but when you are talking about everyone’s tax money it’s a different story. You said it yourself that your benefits are better and government can tax to cover the costs. How is that fair to the non-public sector employee?

  45. Neil says:

    14 Democrats fled WI and pleaded for compromise. Then when the Big Bad Republican said ok to compromise, the Democrats said stick it. Hard to stomach. However, nobody is getting laid off, everybody will still get raises for cost of living, they still have the mandatory pensions (a huge part of the problem), and benefits, and the Union bosses cry foul. Yet, all Federal government employees have had no collective bargaining since 1978. Where are the protestors?

    1. Tea thinks Niel is Smart! says:

      GREAT POINTS Neil!!!! EITHER side can not argue that!

  46. Longtime Union Lover says:

    Awesome. Congratulations Gov Walker. The rest of the private workers have to pay for some of their healthcare costs. Public Employees, who are paid by my tax dollars, should pay for part of their healthcare too.

  47. Jackie P says:

    All of this seems pretty petty right now considering what is happening around the world. Here is the haughty Americans whining over their money. I am too! I have spouted off on here. Have any of you been to Haiti lately? I was there 3 weeks ago. The average person makes $2.00 a day there! And you may say it’s cheaper to live there. Not really. People are starving to death. They have NO government to protect them at all. No government to balance their budget…what budget?
    Or Libya, Egypt or Tunisia? Are you being shot for protesting at the Capitol in Wisconsin or the other states?
    Or Japan. Is your house shaking? Has your car or neighbor been swept away by a Tsunami? Are you being threatened by a nuclear plant that is overheating right now?
    If you know where your family members are, if your car is in your garage or in the parking lot at work, if you have food in your refrigerator or for that matter have a refrigerator, if you have a $20.00 in your wallet, if you have a home to go home to you are among the world’s most fortunate people. We all need to shut up and look at what’s happening around the world and be thankful for what we have. Union or no union we are still blessed.

    I know it’s idealistic to think that we could all just be grateful for what we have and for us all to get along but while you are standing screaming about your “rights” remember the young child in Haiti that is starving to death and his rights…..

  48. Aware of the Real Issue says:

    Wow you people that are backing this move by the Wis. Gov. really just aren’t getting it….what’s to stop him from just making some decision on his own that effects your life?? That you disagree with, that you don’t like?? Really, you’d fine with that??? I really dont’ think so. All he did was decide on a personal level that unions should no longer be and so boom, done. Unreal. He is ‘other’ then just a Republican he is a power hungry maniac and for us to allow him to make this type of move without going thru the proper channels is absolutely crazy, we live in America, nobody should have this right and yet he did it and nobody seems to be able to stop him. And for those of you that think that the Public Workers already have too much and get paid too much and have too many benefits are quite obviously not Public Workers!! I was a public worker for 24 years and HELLO, not the case people. I am in the Private Sector now and my Benefits are less expensive and better. So please dont bother commenting onthings you obviously know nothing about!!!!!! We should all, regardless of your party affilation, be appauled by a politician that can just come in a make such a change based on obviously nothing more then his personal opinion and judgement. Wake up America or we’re all going to be in deep trouble with these crazies take over the Country!

    1. yeah right says:

      “Elections have consequences” Barrack Obama

    2. I am AWARE of how Govt works! says:

      Aware…WOW! You truly have NO clue how the Govt works do you…..

      The issue was VOTED on! And the MAJORITY of the govt in WI agreed! The people THEY voted into office!

      The Govt is built on a system of checks and balances……

      Proof our schools are doing a POOR JOB! If you had a decent education you would KNOW this!

  49. Tea has a GOOD question! says:

    I HAVE a question I would like answered honestly!

    Do you think Gov Walker WANTED to do this? Do ANY of you think he WANTS to deal with a messed up budget?

    So you think he WANTED to make a VERY large group of people angry?

    I truly think he did this as he HAD TO!!! And the TRUE intent is how he deals with FUTURE issues!!!!!

    I will have to agree with the Dem’s if he attacked the Dem’s on ALL issues….but if he does the RIGHT thing and finds cuts that BOTH sides disagree with….then you CRY BABY Dems and protesters can go EAT CROW! And I will EXPECT you to apologize….
    If not….and he attacks Dem’s…..I will have to agree with you…and I WILL apologize! Trust me…I have eaten Crow before! (I’m not a UNION worker that can buy CHICKEN!)

    1. I'll answer my own question says:

      LOL…I like how no one has answered this…..
      Why? Because it’s TRUE!
      Walker is NOT an evil A-Hole….he is a man trying to keep his state afloat!
      Too bad you people…(Yes..I said YOU PEOPLE) can’t see that!

  50. Bryson Powers says:

    Forget about what’s been signed into law for a moment and think what a man like Walker will do next. Repeal child labor laws? Abolish any state minimum wage laws? Mandatory Protestant prayer in schools? A man like Walker is capable of anything. ANYTHING. Maybe conservatives should not have a monopoly on gun ownership.

    1. Change I can Belive in... says:

      We shouldn’t have child labor laws – how many families can’t support themselves today and could benefit from their youth working? I wouldn’t welcome it, but why should we have it?

      Minimum wage is a drag on society, it forces companies to pay some employees more than what they are worth which doesn’t allow them to hire more employees. If you want to see unemployment drop, lower or abolish the minimum wage.

      Mandatory prayer in school – see now that’s just stupid, but fortunately we have a constitution that protects us from that. It’s called a right, unlike collective bargaining.

    2. MNTP says:

      Actually, those ALL sound like excellent ideas! Walker is THE MAN and we should have been so lucky to have elected a man like him here in Minnesota.

  51. Powers is clueless says:

    @Bryson…..Really? REALLY? WOW! You REALLY think that? This is WHY we do not leagize pot! See what happens when you smoke too much?

  52. Get Real People says:

    And by the way, yes this was voted in by a few policiticans that all have the same agenda…this was a major move that should take much more then 5 morons standing around taking a vote and if you really think it was more entailed then that then you are seriously misinformed!! Start reading something. And like Powers mentions above, what next??? That’s the big thing here, your rights could be taken away anytime also assuming these few morons making such changes decides they don’t like things the way they are. One day I hope that people like you find out just what I’m saying, I really do you would deserve it!!

    1. Matt says:

      Please stop using the word right… This was a privilege, rights are defined in the constitution. Those can be eliminated, but not without, wait for it… Draconic measures.

      * Two-thirds of both houses of Congress vote to propose an amendment, or

      * Two-thirds of the state legislatures ask Congress to call a national convention to propose amendments. (This method has never been used.)

  53. Alert U says:

    The Koch doctrine is every economic activity has to be profit driven. Even a typical service as police activity has to turn a profit. The State Trooper Industry is being pressured by their Wall Street commodity index to turn in bigger profits; solution? Speed traps on steroids. But first, their plan of attack is at less complex and easier targets like the education system, libraries, all prisons and so on. Eventually Blackwater will own the National Guard and their profit will require the populace to pay a fee for protection. So as they systematically induce this ultra-Libertarianism on us, they glee with their ideological success as they haphazardly destroy the Constitution, democracy and a fair and balanced legal institution.

    Animal Farm!
    The chickens are sniffing the Big Dogs behinds and they love it.

    P.S. the chickens gobble TEA with their cornmeal feed

    1. Groovy man says:

      WOW! Albert….after reading your post….I think I got a contact high! WOW! You and Bryson need to get together and smoke weed!

  54. Recovering Democrat says:

    Go Walker Go!

    1. dphilips says:

      Go Dayton Go!

  55. Oldster says:

    Reminds me of the Nuremberg Laws.

  56. Dan says:

    I would like to know why Gov Walker – target only select public workers and not all of the public workers.

    You notice he didn’t target police and firefighters.

  57. RIII says:

    If this keeps up I will be moving my company and jobs to Wis. MN taxes suck at best.

    1. dphilips says:

      GO! Who needs your REPUBLICAN ASS?

      1. just stop says:

        LOL…dphilips….your such a moron….RIII may own the company you work for! But…I guess that would be giving you WAY to much credit…..I am sure you are collecting the 84 weeks of unemployment that has been approved and do not have a job….

      2. dphilips says:

        Sorry! Whos the moron? I own my own company!

      3. Let me guess..... says:

        Oh..I’m sorry….the elegant way you worded your post “GO! Who needs your REPUBLICAN ASS?” made me believe you were someone of lower intelligence.

        I am thinking your business is:
        #1- A lawn Maintenance Business
        #2- A MLM scam
        #3- Drug Dealer
        #4- Daycare provider
        #5-Dog poop picker upper

        I HAVE to be close on ONE of them!

      4. RIII says:

        I have not been the biggest fan of the Republican Party since Abraham Lincoln. They also lost some of my support when they started spending like drunken Democrats. What I really hate is socialism, what the Democratic Party stands for,

  58. richard says:

    Keep electing repubs and this will be the continuing trend. They work for the corporations….the Democrats favor the working and middle earners. I’m 71 years old and this has been true 90%+ of the time. The only thing that has changed is the repubs ability to lie, distort, twist Everything they don’t favor without conscience. I wonder how all those people who “crossed over” last November are feeling about that decision. Therepubs want to reintroduce regulations that limit how wall st. , the insurance companies, and oil companies operate so they make even greater profits, and pay less taxes on the backs of those of us in the middle. 2012 elections are going to be fun.

    1. I pay attention says:

      Memories are short. Thank God yours is long, Richard. Hope some on this site heed your call.

  59. Esme says:

    People who are so naive as to believe the Repubs are doing this to balance the budget need to wake up. They are pulling the old bait and switch just like they did prior to the Iraq war. Iraq had nothing to do with the Trade Center attacks, and stripping union bargaining rights has nothing to do with balancing budgets the Repubs messed up in the first place by refusing to raise taxes on the rich. The real objective is to put their own Draconian ideology into place, where only the corporations and very wealthy have a say in anything. Sound familiar? That is what inspired our founding fathers to fight England for the right to govern themselves and to be heard in government without paying homage and taxes to the English kings and queens for idiotic policies that they did not agree with, such as Walker’s. It seems we are heading that way again in a full blown class war. The Repubs can be the English jerks about to be overthrown and the people who can see through the BS can be everyone else!!

    Having worked in union and nonunion settings as an RN in MN for many years, I can tell you there is little if any difference in wages or benefits. The myth that public workers receive all of these supposed benefits, is just that: a myth.

    1. Please stop with the "Agenda" says:

      @Esme…..I think you have missed a few prior posts….

      So….tell me….why do FEDERAL Govt employees have no “collective bargaining” rights and state employees do!

      Tell me why we have UINION workers in prior posts stating Unions are a waste of money and protect workers that do not deserve employment.

      You are just like the rest of the strange people here! So you think Walker WANTED to do this? He HAD to!

      Once everyone realizes that…..it will stop a lot of complaining!

      1. Esme says:

        Why don’t you study history from the beginning of the 20th century until now. Review the horrendous working conditions and low pay people worked for to survive. How many workers had to die in dangerous working conditions for laws to change to proect them?? Countless numbers. Now you want to turn the clock back to that time. You must have no sense at all. Walker had already received more than enough concessions from the union workers to balance this budget- but that was not his real objective and somewhere deep down you must know that. If not, there’s no help for you.

      2. suck in 1901? says:

        Yup! I agree…and in the last….oh…50 years we have LABOR laws…and OSHA!!!

        To base your points on 1920’s labor issues PROVES people have NO CLUE!

        Things are a LOT different than in “the 20’th century”…….We are a decade past the LAST years of the “20th century”

        If your nursing techniques were still based on “20th century” medicine…there would be a LOT more deaths…..things CHANGE! That is the POINT!

      3. Esme says:

        You seem to think IF YOU WRITE BIG I will listen. Times do change, many times not for the better. This is one of those moments in history where people show their true colors. You probably also believe in the inherent goodness of people to combat greed and selfish concerns. The figures of history we now view as greedy monsters are very much alive, thank you, and when their current political counterparts finally achieve the unlimited power they are seeking you may change your tune. Yes, times change. But human behavior does not. Absolute power without check, how does it go?? Oh, yes, corrupts absolutely.

  60. Tea WITH representation! says:

    Who SHOULD the “repub’s” work for? The Corp’s PAY THEIR WAGES!!!! As do you and I……
    People forget that!

  61. dphilips says:

    Just wait until 2012!

    1. 2012 is NEXT says:

      I agree…..that WILL say a lot! And what will happen if the tea party and the repubs win? then what will you do? I guess if we get a big left swing….I’ll be the one eating crow and paying up the wazoo for taxes…..if the right wins….what will YOU do? Move to IL?

  62. Esme says:

    The Repubs love nothing better than to stick their heads in the sand and ONLY see what they want to see. A world where the CORP’s rule everything is a world suspiciously like the horrifying Orwellian world in 1984. When the people truly have no say in working conditions or anything else is not something to strive for. Most of the middle class Repubs who proclaim the virtues of the Repub ideology forget that they will be crushed underfoot along with everyone else should these ideas truly come to fruition. Don’t kid yourself, this ideology has no place in it for the middle class, other than as drones who serve and give birth to more drones when abortion is outlawed.

  63. Paul says:

    I’m a member of UFCW , I thank Gov. Walker for his action, we need
    private unions not puplic unions , just look at europe .Thank you Gov. Walker

  64. Dr. Love says:

    Do union workers now have to wear yellow colored “U”s on their chests so that they can be ridiculed by the Tea Party?

    How about turning Camp McCoy into an internment camp for union members?

  65. Esme says:

    Make no mistake about the Repub objectives here. Conservatives want to roll back the clock on more than a century of social progress, and they are only going after the unions first because they are the strongest progressive institutions in America. They figure if they can take out the unions first, everything after that, outlawing abortion, ending progress on LGBT and other civil rights, privatizing Social Security and Medicare, etc., will be relatively easy. Like dominos falling. They enjoy nothing better than watching middle class workers (union or not) squabble over this issue, keeping us from seeing the big picture. This fight is about preserving the American middle class and our ability to organize collectively. It is about human rights. It is about focusing the blame for the economic crisis where it belongs, on bankers and policy makers, not nurses, teachers and cops. Now is the time to stand up and say NO!!

    1. Esme = 1 trick OLD pony says:

      @esme! You are SO BEHIND the times! How did you even figure out how to turn on the computer! You are quoting issues that happened 80-90 YEARS ago! Since the 1950’s there have been GREAT advances in labor laws!

      Again…..enough with the “repub agenda”……it’s not like Walker WANTED to do this! It HAD to be done!

      I am sure you STILL have your “WELSTONE” bumpersticker on your Volvo!

      1. Esme says:

        I love it that you think I am so old! I am young enough to be your daughter or more likely granddaughter probably. I am a student of history at St. Thomas among other things. People who refuse to learn from the past are, how does it go? Oh, yes, condemned to repeat it. See you in hell, buddy. How old are you? Not a student of history, I see. Oh, well some people just cannot be helped. You are funny! There have been great advances in labor laws since the 1950’s. Hey guess what?? Unions have always been supported in Wisconsin. In 1865 Molders Union Local 125 was formed in Milwaukee and became the nation’s first modern trade union. In 1886, Milwaukee workers shut down most industrial plants during the first five days of May in pursuit of the eight-hour day. They were working much longer hours than you or I, I am sure. Eight hour days doesn’t sound like much to ask, does it? But this union worked hard to achieve even that much. I really don’t think you realize what is at stake here. It’s much more than merely balancing a budget. Think about it for awhile. I don’t like the way the conservatives always turn every discussion into insulting people. I would certainly have supported Wellstone had I been old enough at the time. But sadly, I have no Volvo!!

      2. Paying my bills...$1 at a time says:

        I didn’t say YOU were old….I would NEVER say that to a woman….I am saying your IDEAS are old….
        And this was not a point about when unions were 1st started…it’s about when labor laws really started to become more common place…and things like OSHA….
        I am sorry that I am coming across as “aggressive”, you may be right….but this is an issue I am passionate about…and the “fight or flight” instinct comes out….
        The bottom line is I respectfully think you are wrong…..
        But no matter what…you’re a neighbor….a fellow MN’er!
        I am leaving job #1 (I have been here 9 hours) and going to job #2 (three additional hours) as I am doing this by choice to put myself in a better financial position.
        (Let’s not EVEN bring up who is supporting your student loans….though I do love the school you’re attending…)
        So feel free (as I am sure you will do) continue to place your ideas on this arena…that’s what it’s here for…and know…..bottom line…I disagree….and until the day comes where the bills past are “outrageous” and “unfair” I will continue to fight for common sense…..and fight for the saying…
        “Capitalism is the BEST path to prosperity”…..too bad you can’t see that….
        Oh…FYI…I’m 41……

  66. Jon says:

    Paul, YOUR union is next, don”t you get IT! They all must go, the KOCH brothers are coming!

  67. WOW! Scared? says:

    @jon…settle down…..sounds like you forgot to take your pill! I’m sure Esme can quote some 80 year old medical issue that will fix you….

    1. Esme says:

      Actually, a lobotomy may be in order for you Paul. I don’t see an alternative.

  68. jjr says:

    if rich people and huge corporations like the KOCH brothers didnt exist there wouldnt be any jobs any where.

  69. Esme says:

    I simply love the way the right took a golden opportunity after so many were voted in over frustration of slow job growth, and then ham- handedly tried to push through something like this. It is simply incredible how they completely destroyed themselves and any chance they will be voted into ANYTHING in future. The best part? They did it all themselves. The left did not have to do a thing. I love it!

  70. Your Answer.... says:

    Sorry..trying to post this again…..

    I didn’t say YOU were old….I would NEVER say that to a woman….I am saying your IDEAS are old….
    And this was not a point about when unions were 1st started…it’s about when labor laws really started to become more common place…and things like OSHA….
    I am sorry that I am coming across as “aggressive”, you may be right….but this is an issue I am passionate about…and the “fight or flight” instinct comes out….
    The bottom line is I respectfully think you are wrong…..
    But no matter what…you’re a neighbor….a fellow MN’er!
    I am leaving job #1 (I have been here 9 hours) and going to job #2 (three additional hours) as I am doing this by choice to put myself in a better financial position.
    (Let’s not EVEN bring up who is supporting your student loans….though I do love the school you’re attending…)
    So feel free (as I am sure you will do) continue to place your ideas on this arena…that’s what it’s here for…and know…..bottom line…I disagree….and until the day comes where the bills past are “outrageous” and “unfair” I will continue to fight for common sense…..and fight for the saying…
    “Capitalism is the BEST path to prosperity”…..too bad you can’t see that….
    Oh…FYI…I’m 41……

  71. Michelle Friesen says:

    Collective bargaining rights should be labeled collective bargaining privileges, something that private sector vote on. They are not forced down the American Taxpayer’s throat.

  72. What The Hey? says:

    I never hear anyone complaining about business organizations that act like unions for businesses. They charge a membership fee, or dues to lobby against unions, and bill like Obama’s healthcare. Business passed on these fees to their customers by adding the cost to their products.

  73. An Old Teacher says:

    Dear Esme-

    You sound like one of the “Silver Spooners” I had when teaching high school HISTORY. No responsibilities, no chores, just parents that gave them everything they wanted and filled their goofy little heads with nonsense about peace and love and their own mental superiority. Do not tell me you worked your way through high priced St. Thomas and paid your own way. If you had, you would understand our system of capitalism and not be spewing socialism as you do with all your posts. Your incoherent Lenin like rants would suggest you did not receive an academic scholarship either!

    You are correct when you say unions were needed at one time, but that time has long past. I was a teacher for 35 years and loved every minute of my career. I was required to belong to a union which did nothing for me but take my dues and protect those teacher with no passion and or skills.

    If you do not like what has happened in Wisconsin through the Democratic process, change it in 2012. Until then quit whining and lick your self inflicted wounds. I am not going to suggest a lobotomy for you Esme as you did for Paul. Just a little maturity and experience will change your thinking Esme.

  74. Longfellow says:

    Just remember, state jobs are provided by the state and not the unions. If you don’t like the job, the pay, the retirement, the healthcare, etc. Don’t apply. It is the job of the state and federal government to insure proper working conditions, hours, vacations, etc. This is totally differant than private sector jobs. Get over it, the unions are gone from the government. If you don’t like it become a farmer or start your own business.

  75. Marcia (Love Wisconsin) says:

    I think it is a good idea to comment and dispute what someone else posts, but I don’t think getting personal services a purpose. Everyone in the country deserves to have their opinion and state it without being called names, etc. The people in this country that have sent death threats to Gov Walker, Republicans and their families should be found and prosecuted for threats. We should all remember the Arizona shooting. There has been talk about the Koch brothers support of Gov Walker–well what about the almost 100% support of unions on Democrats and especially our President. They use union membership dues to support Democrats and since I am a Republican I have no voice. Now I have and if I don’t want to pay my dues to support someone whose policies I don’t agree with I don’t have. That is what the American way is–not the union way. Some mentioned that if business does not have the money to support what a union is asking for they would go broke. What happens if the government doesn’t have the money–Democrats raise our taxes. So I pay for my retirement, health insurance, life insurance, disability and government workers also. How is that fair??? Don’t forget everyone—Federal workers do not have collective bargaining rights so why should state workers?

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