ST. PAUL (WCCO/AP) — Gov. Mark Dayton is pushing for what he’s calling “a people’s stadium” for the Minnesota Vikings.

Dayton met with members of the construction industry Tuesday and was met with loud cheers for his backing of a new football stadium, provided it meets certain conditions.

“Governor said that it would be a great thing for the people of this state. It would be a people’s stadium,” said Glen Johnson, business manager for the International Union of Operating Engineers Local 49.

NewsRadio 830 WCCO’s Bruce Hagevik Reports

Dayton is pushing hard for a $1 billion bonding bill for construction projects around the state, but said the legislature ought to approve a Vikings stadium because it could create 3,000 jobs for unemployed workers.

He told reporters that a stadium financing plan is “a separate consideration” from debate over a state budget deficit, and the two discussions could occur simultaneously.

He says a stadium could help an ailing construction sector. To pay for it, Dayton says he would consider surcharges on stadium ticket, merchandise and concessions surcharges. He also raised the idea of hotel and car rental charges. He said no state general funds will be used.

“I want a people’s stadium that’s a good deal for the people of Minnesota — a project that’s going to employ Minnesotans. Let’s put people back to work all over the state of Minnesota and let’s do it now,” Dayton said.

Lawmakers say the stadium bill would direct the Vikings to pay at least 30 percent of construction, plus any cost overruns. Officials aren’t naming a site but say a bill would include a site selection committee.

Dayton also commented on the “Right To Work” bill, referring to it as the “Right To Work For Nothing” bill. Some lawmakers are calling for a constitutional amendment for a “Right to Work” proposal, which would place the matter in the hands of voters.

“He said that ‘Right To Work’ for less is not something he would support and the place went into an uproar of clapping and cheering,” said Johnson.

A Republican lawmaker who plans to sponsor Minnesota Vikings stadium legislation says most pieces of the bill are in place.

But Sen. Julie Rosen said Tuesday she hadn’t settled on a day to introduce the bill nor would she discuss aspects of it ahead of time.

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Comments (78)
  1. Jeff Kline says:

    Am I going to be *required* to attend certain numbers of events per year as a condition of being allowed to live here???

    1. Jobu says:

      Jeff – don’t be stupid.

    2. TG says:

      Wow, thats an very smart comment… good thinking…

  2. Paul says:

    Little Marky, the lost socialist. Is he going to take the “People’s” money to build it?

    1. Jobu says:

      Do you people even read these articles or just the headlines? Here is how he wants to fund it. “To pay for it, Dayton says he would consider surcharges on stadium ticket, merchandise and concessions surcharges. He also raised the idea of hotel and car rental charges. He said no state general funds will be used.”

      If you do not want your money to pay for it, then don’t buy tickets to games, merchandise or concessions. Also, don’t rent cars or hotels.

    2. QueensLeaveAlready says:

      You missed the part that said pay for part of it with surcharges. Most of the money will still come from the tax payer. None from general fund..still means taxes will be used. This guy has got to learn how to deal with NO. He grew up with a silver spoon and a mommy who never said no. No tax dollars or bonding for purple palace!

    3. w says:

      What part of we are broke dont they understand

  3. Edgar says:

    @ Jeff and Paul. Little haters aren’t you. Not doing much thinking before you post either. Do you think there would be a snowball’s chance in Hades of a Vikings only stadium being built. This is the spin you have to put on it to pass. Months ago he called it a people’s stadium and said that there would be no funds from the general fund used to build stadiums. Why let truth get in the way of your hate?
    My opinion is no tax money for a stadium. The Vikings can go away before tax money gets spent.

    1. thesuperman says:

      Well said Edgar. With the $25 million we gave the loser Farve. We could have put the new roof on the old stadium. In fact just leave that damn rood off and let’s play ball. Take the $18,000,000 for the roof and get some new heated seats.

    2. Edgar Who? says:

      Edgar…if it is not from the general fund…then honestly WHAT DO YOU CARE? You dont think much before you post huh!!

      My perferable solution is you and your snot nose kids leave this state, lets take that money wasted on your future burger flipping child and spend it on the Vikings. And who knows, in the long run you might be grateful, maybe your kid can get a job mopping up the stadium after he/she flunks 8th grade.

      1. Edgar says:

        @ Edgar who. I am a childless old man. I did not say not to build the thing. Perhaps I have to spell everything out for people like you. I will think harder next time I post that there might be a semi illiterate person responding to a post.

  4. WHO WHAT WHERE? says:

    These comments coming from some of the same people that when posting on the union stories in WI were telling us “these people were elected and now they are in power, deal with it” and “they are doing the job they were elected to do” and now are crying about this. Sucks when the glove is on the other hand huh?
    And yes, if you are going to ask such a dumb question as “Am I going to be *required* to attend certain numbers of events” you are.
    Are you *required* to complain about everything or do you just do that for fun?
    As to the other point of Dayton being a “socialist”, do you really have nothing else? So are there any non repubs that are not socialist? Just like playing the race card, have nothing else so just keep up the same argument even though you yourself know you are full of sh!t. Go ahead and call me a liberal now because I do not agree with you and there is nothing else you can call me (besides a socialist that is).

    1. Patriot says:

      Atheist traitor.

      1. WHO WHAT WHERE? says:

        I was asking if there were any repubs that could answer, not mentally challenged bigots that have the IQ of a small child.
        I remember when you were saying that people that did not believe in the god that is in the bible are traitors to the USA and should be hung. After that you get no time as you are bat sh!t crazy and anyone who has read one of your “thoughts” would have to think that you have an alternate plan kind of like Germany in WWII.

      2. Walker says:

        Mark I see you haven’t learned to not stoop to name calling.

    2. an old Teacher says:

      Dear WWW-

      Go straight to detention where the principal will probably was out of your dirty little mouth. I think after detention I would also require you see the counselor for an obvious case of ” have superior intelligence syndrome.”

      1. WHO WHAT WHERE? says:

        Dear an old Teacher
        Thank you for not being a teacher any longer. Nobody ever taught you to edit before you send? How is the principle going to “was out of your dirty little mouth”? If what I have said bugs you, good. I am sick and tired of people running around saying anything they want and not expecting to hear a rebuttal from someone with which they can have an intelligent conversation only to have it turn into an argument over “a liberal agenda. You want to have a conversation I am all for it. You want to spout rhetoric that has nothing to do with the conversation I am going to call a spade a spade and dish the stupidity right back. Hope that clears it up for you. Have a nice day.

        1. WWW not Alone says:

          @WWW…dont despair. There are rational, level headed people out there that agree with you. Or even who disagree, but can have an intellegent conversation based on facts….not the same old rhetoric you find here.

          Give these hillbillies a soapbox and watch ’em tire themselves out. Maybe it is good they can come on here a few times a day and try to spread their hate and ignornace. Anything to forgot that after they finish typing, it is back to mopping up after the peep show.

          My only problem is someone gave this morons…literally MORONs…equal rights. People should have to pass some sort of intellegence test before they have the right to vote or procreate.

          1. Southern MN Mom says:

            Not alone-

            I might have believed you to be something other than a ” Hillbilly” if you had been able to spell a really big word like ” intelligence” correctly-

            “I had some doubts about your intelligence until you opened your mouth, then all doubts were removed.” Winston Churchill

        2. An Old Teacher says:

          Dear WWW-

          It is the “Principal” who would wash your mouth out for swearing, not the “principle.” If you can’t write without swearing, don’t write. Go back and reread your previous blogs before you criticize anyone. Rambling and incoherent would be two words I would use iif I were grading your paper pal! Have a wonderful life!

      2. message for an old teacher says:

        Keep reading posts old teacher, you will find out what happened to all of the students that flunked out. Did you not teach any of them to read the whole story, how to think before acting, or do any research?

    3. thesuperman says:

      LOSER!!!!! Big LOSER. CRY BABY. What a post. Your a real man. LOL

      1. WHO WHAT WHERE? says:

        “LOSER!!!!! Big LOSER. CRY BABY. What a post. Your a real man. LOL”

        Welcome to another addition of rants and raves of a very simple person trying to be smart.

    4. Doug Turner says:

      Ok – dayton is also a moron .. how is that?

      Really, why should the people build plant and equipment for a sports team? You do not see them (with our money) building things for any other for profit organization. If minnesota is so great (xenophobics ) then it will do just fine where they become the LA Vikings 🙂

      And calling them socialists is just a nicer word than “progressive fascists ” 🙂 – — which in itself is redundant as the fascists were progressives…

      And do not even start on the right to work bill – really?? – why should anyone be forced to join a union gang of thugs? And why do you think so much work has gone over seas? Its the unionized excessive cost of labor and their inflexibility to actually work for their wages – that’s why

  5. Irving Washington says:

    Way to go Governor Nero…….Continue to fiddle while your state budget burns. Government was never intended to pick winners and losers in what is private enterprise. The Vikings are not public servants so we don’t need to build them a workplace. If they decide to go to the bankrupt State of Californaia, I will be there at the stateline waving them goodbye. What part of the 5 Billion deficit has Dayton forgotten? This is just payback to the fat-cat union bosses who pull his strings and financed his stolen election………Call your reps and senators and tell them to say no to this out of touch Governor………

    1. WHO WHAT WHERE? says:

      Irving Washington
      So where were you when the Twins got a new stadium payed for by taxpayers? I would bet that you are the kind of person that has no idea how to use your memory and think back to the time that Dayton was not in office and there were talks of this already in place. Therefore this was started by T Paw and Dayton being the new Gov needs to take care of the business that was not finished. Must be in the same group of people that think that Obama was the reason there was a bailout of wall street because he was in office when the checks were sent out. How is it that people do not feel stupid when posting absolute ignorace online? Do you not even think or look into what you post? I guess though, who needs knowledge to speak about something when you can be 100% anonymous.

      1. Tammy says:

        The Twins stadium was/is partially funded by a Hennepin County entertainment tax. If you aren’t paying to play in Hennepin County, you are not “paying for” the Twins stadium

        1. Alex says:

          its a sales tax, not an entertainment tax. If you buy anything in Hennepin County, you are paying for the Twins stadium

        2. Trev says:

          With the exception of food at the grocery store and clothing, I’m paying for the stadium with every other purchase I make in Henn County. It was added on to our sales tax…

    2. TG says:

      So your talking about fixing the budget as a republican eh? Why is it then that the republican’s are not about a slight tax increase? Or why is it that on one hand they want to fix the budget and on the other they give tax breaks to big comapanies? Please…. Which is it?

  6. Todd W. Olson says:

    Well, Jeffy, last time I checked, most football fans were white folks from the ‘burbs. That is to say, Republicans. At least that’s who you see in the stadium. And they are the ones clamoring for a new stadium. It seems to me that Mr. Dayton is giving them exactly what they want. Who did they think was going to pay for it?

    1. Guy says:

      Beep … sorry, try again. >I< am "white… from the 'burbs … Republican" – and I say – NO TAX MONEY FOR WELFARE BUMS – poor bums OR RICH BUMS". Stop the spending of money we don't have.

      1. Todd W. Olson says:

        You must not be much of a Vikings fan, then, Guy. Because I’ve noticed that most of the Republican types conveniently forget their political ideologies when the Vikes come into the picture. God bless you for not being that type of hypocrite. Instead of arguing with me, you should be talking sense to your neighbors.

    2. Mike D says:

      Last I checked TODD, Pawlenty was a Republican yet he did not try and fund a new staidum.

  7. Ralph says:

    In regards to the right to work bill. When the state and federal legislators pay their own health insurance, when they cut their own staffs wages, and when they pay their own pensions then they can screw with other people’s pensions and wage rates. . Right to work is the right to work for nothing. And before you knee jerk people start bashing me, I am not a union member, nor am I affiliated with any political party.

  8. No Tax Money for the Vikings! says:

    NO PUBLIC FUNDING OF PRIVATE ENTERPRISE! Do you expect Dayton to understand that? Nope, the little rich boy has never held a real job in his life so he doesn’t understand that if you want something, you have to work for it YOURSELF, not get your neighbors to buy it for you.

    1. Mike D says:

      Shutup and turn off the caps lock key!

      1. Mike D has a wee brain says:

        Sounds like you have the brains of a small gnat.

  9. chris burger says:

    Why don’t we let the BILLIONAIRES build their own BILLION DOLLAR stadium?

    If it’s such a good idea, they probably would!

    1. thesuperman says:

      Well Chris. Not sure of your point. But BILLIONAIRES use OTHER people’s money so they can become BILLIONAIRES. Make sense. Economics 101.

      1. lib says:

        Isn’t this a tax break for the wealthy?? Or would it come under corporate welfare headings. Funny how a liberal like Governor Dayton has no problem giving money and tax concessions to create jobs for his pet projects.

        1. Wilbur says:

          @lib. since you appear to dislike liberals answer me this. Sales tax, some property tax and income tax all go into the general fund. Lottery tickets, gas tax and other things like that are also designated. Dayton says not from the general fund, where is the money going to come from? So what tax break are the wealthy getting out of this as there is no proposal, and what tax concessions and money has he given away? Or going to give away. There is no proposal.

  10. Wilf & Co. can buy their own stadium says:

    Oh Toddster … I am white, from the ‘burbs, and a republican (mostly). I sure as heck do not want a Viking (or any other) stadium paid for with public funds. If Wilf and his rich players want it, they can pay for it.

  11. Taxpayer and Vikings Fan says:

    It’s good he is working to keep the Vikings here. Ya’ll would complain if you didn’t have a local football team to cheer for. Ya’ll would complain if all the income and jobs that the Vikings bring to the state was gone (NFL merchandise, parking lot, vendors, food and beverage ales, alcohol sales, taxes on the sales, construction, security, maintenance, tourist coming to watch them or their favorite team play, hotels, etc.).
    Hopefully, When the stadium is built it will be able to house other events to bring in even more revenue for the state.

  12. Irving Washington says:

    Who what where——-Whay don’t you try something novel like making a lucid arguement instead of just name calling? Just stay focused, on subject and make your arguement. As for the Twins stadium, I was against that too so I am being consistent. No taxpayer money for any stadiums aside from the Gophers since the U is a state government supported institution. Again Consistency……Now try your arguement…. This time…be lucid…

    1. WHO WHAT WHERE? says:

      My idea was to have the stadium built and to have the Vikings put up more than 1/3 of the overall cost. I think they should have to pay at least 1/2 of the overall amount as well as have to fit the bill for all taxes for any of the project as well. We do need something better equipped than the metrodome and as much as people hate the idea of having to pay for something that “we do not use”, the Vikings only use it 8 times a year instead of the full year, therefore there are a lot of other events that are being held there that bring in a lot of tax dollars as well. Not “fair” to make them pay for all of it, but I do think they have not attempted to get past the fact that they are the ones asking for this and so they should pay the majority when it comes down to it.
      By the way, you say that I was name calling and you cannot see where you were? “Governor Nero”, “fat-cat union bosses who pull his strings” these are not names that are being “called” with no fact base? You are so right that you are being “consistent” I guess.

  13. Jobu says:

    Seems as if Dayton is at least trying to spur job growth (albeit temporary) with a new stadium and extra income via racinos.

  14. SB says:

    Last time I checked Pawlenty funded Target Field.

    1. Ow says:

      Check your facts, Pawlenty funded nothing, Hennipen county board passed the sales tax increase.

  15. Jon says:

    The Dome is getting a shiny new roof this year. That should hold the Vikes over for awhile. They aren’t going anywhere in this economy.

  16. Trev says:

    So, some of you justify building yet another stadium because Target field and Excel center were build in prior years. Justify bad decisions with more bad decisions. That’s why we are out of money. Doesn’t matter who was in office but the decision to use public money was wrong then and it’s not right now. Those decision were part of the entitlment theory that caused us to go broke. No more public money to build stadiums. And any repub or demo who pushes it through should be voted out.

  17. Jon says:

    The vikings aren’t going anywhere in this economy. The dome is getting a shiny new roof this year which will get the vikings by for quite awhile.

  18. dphilips says:

    You people are ignorant! Nearly every NFL city that has built a new stadium in the past ten years has used partial tax dpllars to fund. What you people dont realize is pro sports teams bring billions in revenues, when one considers the number of jobs created,not just in the stadium,but food ,beverage vendors,maintenance, not to mention the amount players spend,and taxes they pay

    1. Steve says:

      I could agree with all your comments except one. The billionaire wants a stadium, let him build it. Not all of us are Vikings fans or for a matter of facts like sports. Put up a racino and pay for it that way. No public funds period.

    2. Quentin says:

      The money that comes in is the money from the television contract. Going to a Vikings game is entertainment dollars. If the fan don’t spend it on the Vikings, it would be spent elsewhere.. The amount of coming in from the television contract currently would pay for an interest free bond on 2/3 of a billion dollar stadium in 40 years. It does not make fiscal sense to build it.

  19. paul says:

    If a new Vikings stadium can do for that part of the city what Target Field has done for the neighborhood around First Ave., we should all hope it gets built. There are a lot of very creative outcomes that could result from this. By the way, the best time to do a big construction project like this is when interest rates are low and labor is cheap. Let’s do it!

  20. jandy29 says:

    Just build it already and quickly, before the Twins start complaining again!

    1. captainobvious says:

      Mr clueless the twins had a reason to complain, and if you can;t see the revitalization it has created for that area your a dolt, and if you go to a game your a hyhpocrite..

      1. Vern says:

        The metrodome only revitalized Huberts. There is nothing to prove a 10 game home season and the rare playoff game would be enough to revitalize an area.

  21. Franklin says:

    L.A. Vikings, I think not. They can’t even pay for the state workers and the feds are not giving them a dime unless the ‘great one’ figures out how to bypass the house and give them other peoples money.

  22. Cache says:

    Let’s see the owner is a $billionaire and all the players are multi $millionaires but they want the small people to pay for their play pen…NOT. Let them build their own. If Fans (short for fanatic) what it let them buys bonds and build it. Do you notice the extra percentage sales tax they added to pay for the stadium (it’s paid for) is still being collected??!?!?!? Thug politicians never give up taxes. We don’t need any more taxes taken out of our pockets for real boondoggle freebie for spoiled thug athletes. Nor should steal from us who are not enamored with their nutso pastime. Let’em build one if they want it but not on my back…if they don’t like it they can leave…I won’t be shedding any tears.

  23. Cindy says:

    Whatever, my property taxes went up $300 and my street was barely plowed all season, let the owners pay for this palace and leave us tax payers alone, please! We cannot afford to go anyway and I don’t see the huge benefits a new stadium would bring, my opinion!

  24. Kally says:

    Like Target field, just build a good one and everyone will love it. Minnesota needs to be know for some of it’s good structures… something other than bridges and roofs falling down.

  25. Jobu says:

    Do you people even read these articles or just the headlines? Here is how he wants to fund it. “To pay for it, Dayton says he would consider surcharges on stadium ticket, merchandise and concessions surcharges. He also raised the idea of hotel and car rental charges. He said no state general funds will be used.”

    If you do not want your money to pay for it, then don’t buy tickets to games, merchandise or concessions. Also, don’t rent cars or hotels.

    God help us all..

  26. S says:

    Isn’t it funny how politicians keep saying that budget cuts need to be made, but then turn a blind eye and keep bringing up the issue of a stadium for an NFL football team? Last I checked, the NFL was a private enterprise. The ONLY way I’m ever going to support a new stadium for the Vikings if Zygi pays for MORE THAN HALF of the stadium costs and the rest coming from VIKINGS FANS themselves!

  27. Bob says:

    Racino baby ! Have a state run casino ! The tribes days are numbered !

  28. cache says:

    Dayton is an lame brained fool along with all of the others in this state who want to build this foolish boondoggle stadium. We are short 6 $billion dollars and we we have too many illegals sucking on the teet and running us broke because they are stealing from us for their wants. This country cannot be the reservoir for all the peoples of the world. We cannot afford to pay for these mooches.

  29. cindy says:

    And BTW, if our sports teams and what not bring in SO much money, where is the average ciitizen reaping the benefits? Everytime we turn around there is something being cut, or any money that is there spent in inadequate ways and all the city wants to do is tax us further. Where is all the money these teams bring to the state? I am pretty sure it is sits in the owner pockets. The “it would bring jobs and revenue to our state:” argument is very old. If it isn’t now, why would it?

  30. mr$950monthmortgage says:

    Go ahead and build the stadium if you have a decent job and a normal size mortgage these small increase in taxes arnt noticable even, i just realized the sales tax went up to over 7% last week nickels here and there dont matter, if they leave we will get a new team 10 years from now and u will pay twice as much, glad nickels and dimes wont bust me like you people who overleveraged your homes and are buried in credit debt, hope your having a fun life..

  31. Another Jon says:

    Paul I agree,plus we need const. Jobs big time ! Every team in the country upgraded their stadium, are all these others states idiots or are we the idiots?Get it done,look at the TWINS success, it’s great for our community!

  32. Smith says:

    No tax payer money for RICH PLAYER and OWNERS. They can use their own money to build a stadium. I would be willing to donate my time to help them move if that is what they decide.

  33. ae richter says:

    Perhaps Zigi should offer the Vikings in a IPO using the procedes to build a new stadium. That way the Peoples team will be owned by the people and the money used to build a new stadium. What football fan wouldn’t want to buy a piece of the team.

  34. aerichter says:

    1000 million = 1 billion Is that to much for 10 home games. 65,000 seats

  35. Corey says:

    Man … some of you get pretty harsh on here. I am in favor of a new stadium, but I am also a big football fan. I have seen people say “let them go to LA”. Im not sure if you understand the effect that would have on the state. Not only do people lose jobs because of that, there are many business owners that make a very large percentage of their annual income during the season. The state would lose out on all of the taxes on the payroll of these people and hotels. Plus you have to account for millions of dollars in payroll taxes for the players.

    A players average income is $770,000. there are 52 players on the team. Thats $40,000,000 that gets taxed as income per year not including owners, coaches and the rest of the staff … not to mention how much these people spend back into MN economy.

    Over a 10 year span, If the Vikes move, I think we would lose more than we would spend on a new stadium.

  36. Carl Abraham says:

    Right to work for nothing? Let me tell you something about Mark Dayton. I’ve been a union member for 40 years. In 1983 working for Meyer’s Printing in Mpls, Dayton came through the shop saying how he was pro union.That year we went on strike against Meyer’s Printing we stood on the picket line for 12 months. Guess how many times Pro union Mark Dayton showed up? 0 0 0 Do you get the message? He’s for all his buddies that put him in office,and could care less about union jobs.
    If and when the Vikings get a new stadium the construction jobs will end in abput 3 years. Then those workers will once again be unemployed

  37. Gov. Prozac Asleep at the Switch says:

    Let’s see, we get some “much needed” construction jobs for a few years … yet the tax increase and cost of the stadium go on forever.

    That may make sense to Governor Prozac, but not to people who work for a living.

  38. kristi says:

    I voted for my legislators and Governor Dayton believing that they truly had the welfare of the poorest members of our society as their first priority. Now I see that Governor Dayton and some members of the legislature want to build a Vikings stadium. I believe that one rationale is that it will create jobs. If you want to create jobs, how about more teachers, policemen, firemen, or social workers.? How about putting people to work on restoring our infrastucture so that our bridges do not fall down? As to economic benefits for the host community, Twins president, Jerry Bell himself said in a magazine article, “I
    don’t think the economic argument turns it one way or another, so why go
    there? If there are side benefits, great. If not, so what? You get into
    an economic argument, and the bottom line is, ‘Do you want to build it
    or not?’” THAT WOULD BE NOT!!!!
    I receive a fixed income from social security disability. I was absolutely furious when taxes were raised on Hennepin county citizens without a referendum. Using public funds to build a stadium for a billionaire in which millionaires play games is insane when the decision took place shortly after people died on the 35W bridge. I have no objection to a stadium as long as public funds are not used. When all our children are fed, educated, and have equal access to health care. When we are safe on the streets. When those of us on social security don’t have to delay medical procedures, buy food carefully, take half doses of medications, and forgo such luxuries as live theatre, buying a book, or repairing a 12 year old car to make the money last through the month, then by all
    means build another stadium. Attending a Vikings game, if I wished to,
    is not within my budget. I am so sad that our representatives seem to
    have lost empathy with the people who most need you as advocates. I
    feel as though I went to bed in Minnesota one night and woke up in Texas
    beause the bars are open later and the libraries are open less and I can
    carry a concealed handgun while drinking until 3am in said bars. I have
    lived in Minneapolis for more that 40 years. My heroes are Hubert
    Humphrey and Walter Mondale. I was proud to say I was from Minnesota;
    now I am ashamed. Please do not make me more ashamed.

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