Pawlenty: Government Discourages Business Growth

MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) — Likely GOP presidential candidate Tim Pawlenty says government discourages the American spirit when it gets involved in business and commerce.

The former Minnesota governor said Friday that the overwhelming message he hears from employers is “get the government off my back.” He said they mainly object to burdensome taxes and regulations.

Pawlenty made the remarks at a conservative dinner in New Hampshire, which holds the nation’s first presidential primary.

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  1. Jon says:

    So does T-Paw want to give big business a rebate because most don’t seem to be paying taxes now anyway and let’s de-regulate so we can have another wall street meltdown or mortgage meltdown or big oil meltdown! Doesn’t he realize trickle down and de-reg. leads to Disasters.history says so

    1. @ Jon and every democrat says:

      Why is it that so many democrats have no clue about economics? Government regulations cause almost every disaster. Thew mortgage meltdown was goivernment inflicked, the only reason you don’t here about that is because both parties were involved. 1994 congress passed laws making banks borrow money for mortgages to almost anyone. Now we are reaping the result. Remember “everyone deserves a house”

      1. Joe says:

        Why is it that so many Republicans can’t spell or use proper grammar? The word is “Inflicted” not inflicked. You meant “you don’t HEAR about that.” Nitpicky? Sure I’m being nitpicky but if you want to be taken seriously, learn to write correctly.

        1. tom says:

          hey joe, this is a blog, take your liberal ideals elsewhere, like to europe

          1. David says:

            Oh Tom, you’re so smart. Must have taken you hours to think up your reply. I’m impressed you learned to spell.

        2. @ Joe says:

          I do it intentionally because it gives me kicks that all you libs love to point it out. It’s the only real points you can make on any of these topics that are actually facts. GET A LIFE!!!!!

          1. @ Joe says:

            And it’s “learn to type correctly” Your welcome.

          2. David says:

            “intentionally” That’s a pretty big word for you. Glad to see you’re finally using a dictionary or spell check.

        3. JB says:

          Hey Joe,

          So your only comment on the mortgage meltdown is gramatical? So you admit it was BOTH PARTIES that allowed this to happen and the world falling apart is not all the republicans fault?

      2. Dev says:

        Democrats deny economics it seems. I’m all for some regulations but only if there are some teeth behind them. How many people went to jail over the wqall street and mortgage meltdown again? That is despite all of the regulations on the books?

      3. Me says:

        Everyone that can pay does deserve a house. They alo deserve not to be scammed. I worked in the mortgage industry for two years. two years being the maximum amount I could take it. I reviewed these loans for repurchase for GMAC-RFC, a company that turned around and sold them to 401k programs. What I saw was unsettling. I saw complex, high interest ARM loans done on Grandmas in their 90s. I saw Brad and Tiffany, stretched to the hilt, because they had two car loans, two student loans, a boat loan, credit cards maxed out taking out a 2nd mortgage so they could redo their kitchen in their two year old home. And let’s not forget all the devious houseflippers that were in cahoots with appraisers and loan officers to bilk an unsuspecting homeowner on a $275k house that was really only worth $175k. The government didn’t cause this to happen. Greed and ignorance did.

        1. @ Me says:

          NOBODY MADE ANYBODY SIGN A MORTGAGE. People are responsible for their own actions, would you please own up to that fact.

          1. @ Me says:

            Everyone couldn’t pay. That’s why we are here. Your missing the point. Is it hard for you to function on a daily basis?

            1. get real says:

              That’s your snappy comeback? Nobody made them sign? If the deal is fraud, such as the case in houseflipping, the new homeowner isn’t going to know it. All the parties are in it together, the loan officer, his realtor, her inspector. The only person not part of the scam is the person getting swindled. That’s why it’s called fraud.

  2. A Davis says:

    It’s interesting how the Republicans are all for deregulation, fewer (or no) corporate taxes, and anti-union. I keep thinking that they want us to go back to the time when we had 12-year-old children working 12 to 16 hour days in the factories and the mines. Yes, that’s really what we need. We can use cheap child labor here instead of sending it all overseas. Thanks for trying to take us back to the 1800s.(And if you can’t tell, the last three sentences are laced with a TON of sarcasm.)

    1. StraycatStrut says:

      Been awhile since I sent you 14yr old son to the 16 hour factory job,…….. he just got laid off last month. Ejnoy the fruit of what you elected in Washington & MN…… you get what YOU deserve. We need more Government to tell us what to do….. REALLY? Since BO took off as PRES…. things have only escalated WORSE. Living the Celeb life on Oparah, golf, basketball and giving weak telepromter speaeches just is not cutting it. BUT…you dererve it as you elected the Great One. America is better than thing…. time to WAKE up!!

    2. me says:

      Triangle Y factory fire, just a wait to layoff and hire again at a cheaper rate.

    3. JB says:

      Like the majority of people I am an independent and only vote for the lessor of the two evils presented to me at the voting booth. You party though calls me a Republican because I do not vote your party line and most certainly do not believe in the Democrats vision for this country, although some of it is good. so when you classify me as a republican and say “are all for”, you and your ilk just gave me another reason to NOT VOTE DEMOCRAT. By The Way, I do vote cor good democrats, but your party puts up so few of them that it is only for one or two in any major election.

  3. pawlenty no more says:

    T-pawn is a disgrace to the real hard working minnesota

    1. Rusty Shackelford says:

      You liberals think you work hard, but your brain capacities are soft.

      1. Mike says:

        Hey Rusty Shackelturd-Couldn’t sleep last night or did the drinking binge get the best of you?

        1. @ Mike says:

          Well you can bet is wasn’t that his electric ran out of juice and he had to walk home.

          1. @ Mike says:

            “electric car”

      2. Bejoth says:

        At least we have a brain. Same can’t be said for you.

    2. tom says:

      you must be one of the entitlement crowd that works up a sweat going to the mailbox on the 1st of every month to get your “check”

  4. RIII says:

    I am a small business owner. Government does not create jobs and has been regulating and taxing them out of the US long enough. What I call jobs are mining, farming and manufacturing this is where the money for everything else comes from, tangible goods that can be sold and exported. Construction jobs should be a result of growth in private industry and not Union welfare like light rail or Stadium construction.

    1. Michele says:

      Rlll, business ain’t the only game in town. I agree that the stadiums are a bit much, but if people can’t get around, you won’t have workers.

      I’m not a business person, but it seems to me that corporations are small business owners’ biggest obstacles to growth.

      And actually, government CAN create jobs. If you study history, you know about the CCC. Unions are not welfare. They are the workers’ defense against corporate greed.

      1. RIII says:

        Mass transit was privately owned until about 1970. It has lost money every year since and will collect less than 68% of its operating cost from its customer’s fares this year.

        Large corporations are the customers of many small businesses, they are among my best customers. In the past 10 years Minnesota has lost approximately 95,000 manufacturing jobs and some of the factories that employed them.

        The Unions are directly responsible for job losses in the US. Detroit is a great example of what unions have done to this country. Boeing is trying to create more jobs in South Carolina a right to work state so they can compete in the world market. No matter how many tax breaks we offer Ford in Saint Paul they are still going to close the plant, guess why. If a worker does not like his job or pay he should get another or the skills to do so.

        I am well aware of the CCC and the rest of our countries history. The CCC did many good things but it was still government funded and we all know who funds our government, us. Some say Franklin D. Roosevelt prolonged the great depression.

        1. The Crux of the Biscuit says:

          When Carl Pohlad owned the MPLS bus company he destroyed it. And yes, it is a tax subsidized public transportation. It will not ‘make money’ it isn’t supposed to. It is supposed to be a form of cheap transportation for people. That’s all. And don’t blame the unions for the crappy cars Ford, GM and Chrysler built. Those designs were approved by management, bad as they were. And um, who on managements side agreed to those union contracts? Did the union show up at the bargaining table with guns? Did they hold said guns to managements heads? Management thought it was a good deal too or they wouldn’t have signed the contract no? Idiot.

      2. @ Michele says:

        The only reason big business has the advantage over small business, is because they can afford to pay for all of the government regulations. That’s is why they push for more regulation to weed out the little guys. Think people think!

        1. RIII says:

          You are partially correct as is Pewlenty. This has been going on a long time but the unions are also responsible. The unions spend allot of their members money lobbying for their own interests that have created laws both good and bad. I believe their main interest is to stifle non-union shops. A current example is Boeing, they are trying to increase production in South Carolina a right to work state instead of increasing production in Washington. Would it be better if they increased production in Canada, Mexico or China?

          I find it interesting that if you type the phrase “to stifle” into Google the second result that comes up today is Monsanto. When I think of a Corporation lobbying for their own interests so as to prevent competition from small business Monsanto is the first company that comes to mind. Litigating small businesses into bankruptcy does not make a balanced scale of justice.

          Can you trust any politician that promises you something you did not work for? Would you trust Stalin? Or one that accepts money from special interest groups like….

      3. tom says:

        public workers work for the tax payers and do not belong in a union, the only jobs the govt creates is more govt jobs that we taxpayers have to foot the bill for. and if you want the CCC back, then put the welfare people to work so they earn their entitlement they think they deserve

    2. Mike says:

      RIII-Workers wages have been stagnant for 30 years, but prices for services have continued to climb. This country has lost 47,000 manufacturing companies in that time and many jobs have been sent overseas to the lowest bidder. Construction jobs in the right to work states have seen a large increase in the hiring of illegal aliens and wages have further eroded in that sector. Health care is costing employers more and they pass that down to the worker, further removing buying power. We are paying higher costs for oil at the pump and those increases are spreading across to foods and materials. The value of the dollar has dropped and we going further in debt. Most of the farming is being done by 3 large multinational corporations and our exports are up against Chinese imports that are cheap, and we have reluctant leaders who do nothing to establish equity through tariffs because they are lobbied by American business which loves profit, but could give a rat’s patois for the people of this country.
      The infrastructure in this country is in shambles, (falling bridges) and we have jerks like you who want to reform business taxes and pass them on to the consumer, further reducing buying power. When are you going to get it, that this system Republicans propose is not working? Since Bill Clinton taxes on the wealthy and business have been reduced and we have lost more jobs then we have gained. Where is the trickle down jobs that were to be created as result of those changes? And now you want the government to step back and let nothing get done? The Republicans want people in mass to become servitude to the corporate oligarchy that is destroying this country. FU buddy.

      1. RIII says:

        It is hard to explain the color red to a person who has been blind all their life but I will try by touching on a few of your pre-recorded union sound bites.

        Our government has been subsidizing the building of ethanol plants and production with our tax dollars adding to our national debt. They have also been mandating its use as a fuel. US Ethanol uses large quantities of corn (a food) and water in its production, this has caused the cost of corn to go up dramatically. Our government also offers farm subsidies that large corporations take advantage of, this adds to the national debt. Corn prices have gone up so much because of ethanol that farmers are not planting as many other food crops so the prices of them are going up, supply and demand. Corn is fed to livestock so the cost of beef and pork is going up. We also give Big Oil tax dollars. All of the borrowing for this subsidizing, tax breaks and corporate welfare has caused our dollar to become worth less and less just like a person’s credit score that owes allot but earns little. Our dollar is now worth less then it was 2 years ago so we cannot buy as much foreign oil as we could with it. Also since we buy so much crap from China they are using more oil causing the price to go up, supply and demand.

        Our founding fathers originally intended our Federal government to be funded by import tariffs. This was a check and balance to prevent our government and imports from growing to the point where they are today. Our country has gone downhill since President Lincoln (a Republican) started taxing to support the Civil War.

      2. RIII says:

        It is hard to explain the color red to a person who has been blind all their life but I will try by touching on a few of your pre-recorded union sound bites.

        1. RIII says:

          Our government has been subsidizing the building of ethanol plants and production with our tax dollars adding to our national debt. They have also been mandating its use as a fuel. US Ethanol uses large quantities of corn (a food) and water in its production, this has caused the cost of corn to go up dramatically. Our government also offers farm subsidies that large corporations take advantage of, this adds to the national debt. Corn prices have gone up so much because of ethanol that farmers are not planting as many other food crops so the prices of them are going up, supply and demand. Corn is fed to livestock so the cost of beef and pork is going up. We also give Big Oil tax dollars. All of the borrowing for this subsidizing, tax breaks and corporate welfare has caused our dollar to become worth less and less just like a person’s credit score that owes allot but earns little.

          1. RIII says:

            Our dollar is now worth less then it was 2 years ago so we cannot buy as much foreign oil as we could with it. Also since we buy so much crap from China they are using more oil causing the price to go up, supply and demand.
            Our founding fathers originally intended our Federal government to be funded by import tariffs. This was a check and balance to prevent our government and imports from growing to the point where they are today. Our country has gone downhill since President Lincoln (a Republican) started taxing to support the Civil War.

          2. taxpayers_provide_business_welfare says:

            My question RIII – Do you pay living wages and benefit and pension plans for your employees? One of the biggest problems we have is too many businesses do not. This means our government – that is, the rest of us taxpayers – have to help out those low income no benefit workers who quality for various welfare, government health care or low income tax breaks. If they made adequate wages, they would be contributing to our tax base rather than spending our taxes. So we provide business welfare for any employer who does not take care of their employees. So I find it crazy that there are those who argue for additional business breaks when businesses are not doing their part.

            1. RIII says:

              I can tell you are infected with Entitlement mentality, someday they will find a cure. You should try and start your own small business and then get back to me. $13.00 per hour pre-tax is the lowest wage here if you do not include me. Like many small businesses we cannot afford to provide employee health care coverage, I have not been able to afford my own health insurance coverage for a little over 2 years, if I made $13.00 per hour for all the hours I worked I could. Perhaps if you understood what you read in the news you would know the economy has taken a giant crap and small business did not get a bailout.

    3. me says:

      So you’re okay with GE having paid absolutely nothing in taxes last year? A $14 billion dollar profit and nothing to Uncle Sam?

      1. @ me says:

        GE makes wind turbines. Who subsidises wind power? The democrats. Get a clue. You people need to pull your head out.

        1. me says:

          GE is much more than wind turbines. Medical equipment, electronics, network television.

          1. @ me says:

            Thanks for the lesson. My point was that they get huge subsidies from their “green renewable energy” division that makes wind turbines. I’m sorry, I do not know how to bumb it down anymore than this.

  5. Ron says:

    Paw Paw lenty is a joke to Minnesotans. We are glad he is no longer our governor. I hope he gets the Republican nomination as he has zero chance of being elected president.

  6. Been There, Done That says:

    You’ll know what feels like to be a slave when the unions are gone. They are the only organization that defends the working man, now that business has the Supreme Court in their back pocket. Business’s have their version of unions, they are called associations.

    1. Mark from Minnesota Tax Waste says:

      @Been There, Done That
      Don’t forget how the Unions steal from their members, were one of the major reasons Detroit has 18% unemployment, and help illegal workers form unions to take more American jobs.

      1. The Crux of the Biscuit says:

        Don’t forget how businesses steal from their employees when they don’t fund their retirement plans adequately. Or how they steal from their employees when they make employees pay for all of their health benefits with no increase in pay to help them do it. Or how American companies bring illegals in by the bus load to drive labor costs down. Or how corporations steal from their employees by bringing in H1B Visa employees. Or how corporations steal FROM ALL OF US by not paying their fair share in taxes. Or how the rich steal from the middle class by only paying Social Security on the first 120,00 or si in income even though they may make many, many, many millions each year in salary. F you Mark you lying turd……

        1. @ Crux says:

          The unions are under funding their retiremnent plans by 60% Can’t wait till that sh** hits the fan.

          1. JG is not a Marky spin doctor says:

            That’s still less than the Great American business model practiced up until the early-mid 1980’s. The unions had a great teacher now, didn’t they. Private business ran crying to the Fed and the guarantee funds when they choked on their own vomit – wonder what the unions will have for backup?

            It’s okay to yank off your sheepskin Mark – we all know where you stand and that you couldn’t see the other side of anything with an eye transplant.😉
            It’s okay – we still tolerate you. After all – a laugh and joke is always a way to lighten up a day.

  7. Todd says:

    Exxon made $19 billion, paid no federal taxes yet received a $156 million rebate.
    Bank of America made $4.4 billion, got a trillion dollar bailout and got a $1.9 billion tax refund. GE made $26 billion, got a $4 billion refund and cut 20% of its US jobs, shipping them overseas (they get a tax break for doing so).Goldman Sachs made $2.3 billion, paid 1.1% in Fed tax and got a $800 billion bailout. No wonder they want govt off their backs.

    1. Frank says:

      Perhaps I am taking you to literal, but isn’t the money why they want the government

    2. StraycatStrut says:

      Nice huh….Gotta thank our Politicians for this one. Who’s in office?…thank them for Major Corps not paying “Their Fair Share”……

    3. The Crux of the Biscuit says:

      That’s nothing. They made $11,000,000,000 IN PROFIT in the FIRST QUARTER of 2011. That’s ELEVEN BILLION DOLLARS PROFIT. Couldn’t drop their prices juuuuuuuust a bit to help us all out though. Why, that would be un-American or something.

      1. @ Crux says:

        Oil companies are making about 12 cents per gallon profit. Evil B_st_rds. Government (state and federal combined) make 40 some cents per gallon. What was their first quater profit from oil? Who are the evil ones?

        1. 2 cents per gallon profit says:

          Crux you’re wrong. They make 2 cents per gallon profit. That’s correct two cents. Libs and progressives will not recognize your argument because they do not pay any taxes. You can never have a coherent discussion with someone who has never been responsible in their lives. Libs and progressives disgust me.

          1. Citizen says:

            So, those of you posters taking Crux to task on his statistics which are accurate, by the way. Where did all that reported income come from? Are the oil companies lying to us about how much they make? Note to the IRS, begin audits of oil company profits immediately! Note to Congress, reenact the Windfall Profits tax, immediately! Those two actions alone with solve the federal budget deficit and probably the states’ deficits, too.

    4. JB says:

      Refunds, Rebates, and bailouits are not all freee money. Instead of reciting party lines, read their annual statesments, each paid in way more than those amounts. if you want to call those three as corporate welfare, then every citizen that pays in too much in taxes receives welfare when they get their refund or the money we all got back just last year from the current president and his party that held the senate and house for he past couple of years.

  8. Mark from Minnesota Tax Waste says:

    Great story!! Try putting up a simple sign in front of your business and see all the paperwork and fees you have to pay just to get it done. I like to call it extortion

  9. The Crux of the Biscuit says:

    Section. 8.

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;

    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;

    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;

    To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;

    To establish Post Offices and post Roads;

    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;

    To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;

    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;

    To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

    To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

    To provide and maintain a Navy;

    To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;–And

    To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

    Read above Mark – The constitution grants the government the power to regulate businesses.

    1. Michelle Bacmann speaking says:

      I need to think about this more before I open my flapper dapper.
      thinking aloud >>how the hell can I spin this one? Can I say they suffering from dementia and didn’t know what they were writing? I need help here … Timmy. Can we be friends for a moment and talk about something?<<
      Oh goodness …. this is so easy.
      "God wants me to update the Constitution. If it fits my spiel anyway."

      1. Smart Alec says:

        You must be Michele Bachmann! You spelled your own name wrong!

  10. Yelper says:

    I love how all republicans love to bend over and let corporations give it to em in the ‘ol pie hole. Why are they so ignorant….

    1. @ Yelper says:

      Corporations sell me things in life that make it easier for me. That’s why You, I, and everyone else buys them. That’s why their “big corporations” what the phuc is wrong with that? You are an idiot.

  11. Joe says:

    I have to wonder who in the media is so determined to keep Timmeh in the spotlight. Who’s paying who?

  12. Jerry says:

    only govner that the state lost jobs,

  13. Comrade Lenin and Chairman Mao says:

    OK! OK! You guys win–

    Just give government the power to control our lives completely, redistribute whatever property we have EARNED, and ban capitalism totally. AFTER THE INEVITABLE CIVIL WAR, which you may or may not win, shoot or send to labor camps anyone left who thinks free enterprise is the wave of the future. 40-50 years later after you and the other idiots who put full blown socialism in place are all dead, watch from your graves as your nation adopts unfettered capitalism and finally begins to flourish.

  14. TPAW is correct says:

    I am a small business owner. My tax bill this year alone is i’d bet more than every one of you liberal posters will pay combined in 20 years or more. The number is astounding. That is egregious. The charity clearinghouse know as government is robbing the producers blind while all the whiners sit around complaining the producers don’t give enough. Our tax rate is almost 50% of our income. What a bunch of crap. Leave me alone I want next to zero services from you. No roads, no cops, no water, nothing. This year was my tipping point. You all bash anybody conservative because you are on the dole, lazy or ultra wealthy.

  15. common cents says:

    Guvnah Pawlenty left us $6 billion in the hole. He wasn’t a businessman but just another lawyer. His specialty is the law. He doesn’t understand accounting and budgeting. I wouldn’t trust him with my grocery list.

  16. Murph says:

    Pawlenty is either too dumb to realize that businesses involved with government is the real problem or he is following tthe same conservative script people are beginning to discredit and abhorr! By the people for the people..remember?.If it was mean’t to say by the corporations for the corporations.Then wouldn’t that have been the wording?Quit letting fascist Germany worshippers and copycats blind you to the truth.If the government is subserviant to businesses,then the needs of the people are not being met.Are yours?Figure it out!

  17. @ Murph says:

    Who makes up corporations? PEOPLE do!!! All a corporation is, is a group of PEOPLE who sell something a majority of us like to buy. Murph you are an idiot.

  18. @ Murph says:

    I meet my own needs. You freeloader!!!!

    1. Citizen says:

      “I meet my own needs. You freeloader!!!” Interesting. Does that mean you grow all your own food? (Agriculture subsidies). Do you clear and pave your own roads? (Federal highway contracts paid for by all taxpayers) Do you grow your own cotton, weave your own cloth, sew your own clothes? (Agriculture subsidies, third world corporate sweatshops). Yeah, you meet your own needs all right. On the backs of third world labor, tax subsidies to big business, and government-backed construction jobs. I don’t think I need to point out more examples. John Donne said it best, “No man is an island….”

  19. ALERT ALERT ALERT says:

    There is a new sheriff in town. It’s called the TEA PARTY. We need to get back to the things that made this country great once.

    Not on that list:

    Big government
    Social Security
    Medicare
    Medicaid
    Welfare
    Any and all entitlement programs

    There once was a thing called the “American dream”. It was the belief that anyone could advance themselves in life by a little hard work on their OWN.

  20. Citizen says:

    @Alert. There once was a country that employed children and women in sweatshops, a country let had a 20% plus unemployment rate, a country that had massive crop failures, a country that experienced famine and soup lines. Which country was that? That was the American Dream of the 1930’s Great Depression. The reason that will not happen again? Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, not to mention welfare programs for the poor. As to entitlement programs: well, social security and Medicare are paid for out of workers’ paychecks–not freebies. So, Alert, since you are so against these things, please do not sign up to receive social security or Medicare. That will leave more for us workers who paid for these social insurance programs.

    1. @ Citizen says:

      What do you think caused the Great Depression? You don’t think it had anything to do with government putting their hands where they didn’t belong?

      All your entitlement programs are the government telling the mass population that you are to stupid to save your own money so we will do it for you. The problem is that the government that you relied on spent all of your money.

      1. Citizen says:

        One of the main causes of the Great Depression was massive crop failure brought on by the breaking of the prairie sod in the West to grow crops–soil never intended for those crops. Perhaps the main cause was the meltdown of the financial sector–buying stocks on margin–much as was done with hedging in the most recent bank failures. Some idiot decided that financial regulations created during the Great Depression to stabilize the banks were no longer needed. So, once again, the federal government had to bail out big business that was “‘too big to fail.” Duh! It failed! It should have died! Bailout money would have been better spent giving every U.S. citizen $50,000 to spend. The U.S. government ABSOLUTELY should have its hands in the financial sector. Frankly, it should have nationalized the banks, as far as I’m concerned. At least the “government I rely on” is an elected one in which I get a vote. Your predatory corporations are run by corporate board members who sit on each others’ boards, scratch each others’ backs, and award billions of dollars in salary and perks to CEOs to offshore U.S. jobs. What part of the definition of “traitor” don’t you understand?

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