St. Paul Mayor Not Ready To Back Vikings In County

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP/WCCO) — St. Paul Mayor Chris Coleman says he’s not yet willing to support a new Minnesota Vikings stadium north of his city in Ramsey County.

Coleman says he wants a better idea of how his constituents will benefit in relation to the taxes they’ll pay. Earlier this week, Ramsey County officials and the Vikings proposed a $1.1 billion stadium in Arden Hills that would be paid in part with a half-cent sales tax increase in the county.

“I have been even-handed throughout. I’ve said I want the project in Minnesota. It’s gotta be one that’s viable economically.

It’s gotta be one that works for all three parties — the Vikings, the local partner and the people of Minnesota,” said Gov. Mark Dayton.

St. Paul is Ramsey County’s largest city, and Coleman says he’ll withhold judgment until he sees an upcoming state analysis of how much that tax increase would raise and how much would come from within the city. Coleman says he thinks St. Paul should get some direct benefit from the tax revenue it contributes.

“Whether you are up on the North Shore or anywhere else, this is a statewide asset,” Coleman said. “There are fairer ways to distribute the burden and the cost associated with a stadium.”

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  • No more Vikqueens

    Lets get a new stadium and a new football team, why waste money on a team of losers

    • Todd

      Spoken like a true Packer fan. Move along, troll….

      • 4 Super Bowls and counting, GO PACK GO!!!

        The difference is that the Packers don’t have this problem, you know why? Because they have WON 4 Super Bowls not lost 4. It makes a difference when a team is winning and is sold out for the next 40 years. Even in the late 70’s and 80’s they wouldn’t have had a problem when they weren’t winning because the fan base sticks with them no matter what.

        • Kevin Ryan

          Since we’ve WON our 4TH SUPER BOWL, local ‘Queens fans have been very nice, congratulatory and said how much they envy our organization. The only bad thing is, we THOUSANDS of Minnesota based Packers fans have to cough up dough for the Hapless Vikings new home. Consider a CHARITY donation for the HOMELESS. As Jerry Jones found out, it takes more than a new house to have an even “good” team. After the Packers got done with the Cowboys AND VIKINGS (31-3), two coaches got fired. NFL Network: “A healthy Packers team in 2011 will be SCARY GOOD!”. The Vikings got a “D” grade in their Draft….it’s gonna be a LONGGGGG DECADE Vikes fans.

          • captainobvious

            Theres no was any viking fan has told you they envy your team. We never asked you to live here move to green bay if you dont want to pay for my teams stadium. you’re prolly the toolbag who can’t afford the 1/2cent tax increase. hmm about draft grades oh yeah thats how seasons are decided a draft grade seeds you in the playoffs thats right.

          • Vince Workman

            Hey Kevin Ryan, move to Wisconsin, you rube! WE DON”T NEED YA!

        • Jake

          That’s some pretty big talk from a team that hasn’t won a Super Bowl in over three months. Time to stop resting on your laurels, Green Bay. What have you done lately?

          • 4 and counting

            HUH??? Jake you don’t make any sense, haven’t won a Super Bowl in 3 months? Hec the Vikes haven’t won one period in what 50 years!!!

            • Jake

              Wow. I guess I should have typed more slowly for the tightly-wound folks. (Actually, four exclamation points would have been more appropriate, what, with all the Super Bowls you’ve won and stuff.)

              • JIM

                It seems like “4 and counting” refers to the number of paint thinners he’s already had today.

                • Soon to be 5 Super Bowls!!!!!

                  No actually paint thinner doesn’t seem to do it for me anymore. Need something stronger Jim. Any recomendations? Just for good measure how about !!!!! exclamation points and 5 periods ….. and 5 ????? question marks and 5 $$$$$ dollar signs.

          • MAX M

            JAKE THE FLAKE <—- Look at this clown, reminds me of some idiot bragging about the Vikings Playoff appearances and the old NFC Central Division titles….

            • MARK

              If I lived in Green Bay I would desperately cling to any vicarious joy I could find as well. I feel for you guys.

              • Jake

                Ouch. Man, you really got me with that embarrassing name. How will I ever go on? I might have to rely on highly-paid, grown men who are almost exclusively from places other than where I live who are playing a game that really doesn’t affect anything meaningful in our lives outside of the momentary excitement of cheering for jerseys that might have a name related to our geographic area on them. I suppose I could go out and work with disadvantaged children or something noble, but it’s really hard to get a good plate of buffalo wings at an orphanage.

                Yes, Max, your superior logic and skills at argument have yet again shown how we Minnesotans, with our sad, NFL-Championshipless professional football franchise, are inferior in virtually every way compared to you noble characters from Green Bay . . . or wherever you’re actually from.

            • Jake

              Ouch. Man, you really got me with that embarrassing name. How will I ever go on? I might have to rely on highly-paid, grown men who are almost exclusively from places other than where I live who are playing a game that really doesn’t affect anything meaningful in our lives outside of the momentary excitement of cheering for jerseys that might have a name related to our geographic area on them. I suppose I could go out and work with disadvantaged children or something noble, but it’s really hard to get a good plate of buffalo wings at an orphanage.

              Yes, Max, your superior logic and skills at argument have yet again shown how we Minnesotans, with our sad, NFL-Championshipless professional football franchise, are inferior in virtually every way compared to you majestic characters from Green Bay . . . or wherever the crap you’re actually from.

      • J J Morley

        You can always tell a Packer Fan. Trouble is you just can’t tell them much !!!

        • 4 Super Bowls and Counting

          Oh JJ how this must just be terrible for you when you just can’t come back with much to say except that “you can always tell a Packer fan”. And you are right you don’t need to tell us Packer fans much because we don’t have a stadium issue and never have had one, so there isn’t much to say when the team you root for has WON 4 SUPER BOWLS!!!!!

          • Jake

            Five exclamation points? Now that’s just excessive.

            Don’t let him bully you, JJ. Sure, they might have all of those professional sports championships, but at least we have our climate.

      • Dean Boudrie

        Todd, how much to clean the COBWEBS out of your EMPTY trophy case? You should include that in your stadium bill as well. Brett Favre (WHO??) – how’d that work out for ya?!!

    • Idol Worship

      A 1 Billion Dollar edifice to our idols that we worship.

  • Dan

    Glad to see Ramsey County pulled this off.


      You want to buy my house? It’s right across the rode and you could tailgate FOREVER…

      • Duex

        What rode? LOL rode.

      • factdealer

        Lol at house, theres a huge trialer court across 10, now that reminds me of Lambeau. went in Big 10 bar once there were 20 people and 24teeth total

        • Stadium will clean up area

          You are forgetting something. Where this stadium is located is not too far from the wealthy suburbs of Shoreview and North Oaks. Putting the stadium will no doubt clean out the dirt bags that frequent the big 10 bar and live in the trailer park. The dirtbags will be moving back to Minneapolis so they can be close to county welfare.

    • vikessuk

      why dont you pull yours off?

    • Mark

      Mark my words. It’ll never happen.

    • laughable

      Not so fast. We’ll see who has the last laugh.

  • jon

    Glad I don’t live in that county.

    • Duex

      I’m glad you don’t either.

    • tom

      glad anoka cty nixed the idea

  • ???

    “would have a retractable roof unless the team decides it’s too expensive”
    Are they not supposed to have the cost already figured out? Who goes into a contract without knowing the cost of something? This just sounds like a dumb idea already.

    • BUB

      Thwy have covered a big portion of their dariares..

    • tom

      Osama and Pelosi did the same thing to us on Osamacare.

    • That's It.

      Anoka County deja vu. No roof? Kill the deal.

  • Jake

    That’s not much of a retractable roof. The Metrodome “snow holes” are bigger.

  • OK-Yeah--

    There’s a sketch of the field/area and in the narrative it has a link to deal, thinking it would give more details on the ‘Deal”, it turns out to be an ad for Toyota!

    • M B

      That’s the new ad movement that seems to be spreading like a bad disease on the internet. Take keywords out of articles and even comment texts and link them to ‘relevant’ ads. It’s another way for sites to make more money, and ruin the experience of the user in the process. Bad enough that I have to see an ad before AND after every video clip…

  • Roof?

    The team has said multiple times it doesn’t want to pay for a roof. Now the team gets a choice as to a retractable or fixed roof? Can they choose no roof at all if they think it’s too expensive? If so, this entire deal should be void.

  • Jessica

    If you are not a VIking fan, why do you even read these articles? GO VIKES and you deserve the best!!!

    • Sarah

      CU Vikes. Hope you enjoy LA. That way your big mouth fans can watch you on TV.

      • tom

        they will fit in with the thugs in LA, I will even help them pack

    • M B

      Because I have a right to know that my politicians are going against my wishes and spending money we don’t have while refusing to actually fix the problem other than blaming each other. Since I pay taxes that are undoubtedly going to pay for this mess, I have a right to know where they go. Unlike many people, I prefer to stay informed, whether or not I like the subject.

    • JIM

      We read these articles because we have to help pay for the new stadium whether we’re fans or not. How is that not obvious to you?

      • Too many idiots

        As I read these comments I have concluded that there are too many idiots in the state.and the state educational system has failed.

  • Norman

    commercial land surrounding arsenal is probably being bought and sold by speculators faster than a january streaker..

  • common sense

    I want a new roof for our schools, but I’m sure there’s “no money.” Yet, we have money for the Vikings. This should not fall on taxpayers. Raise the rates for the people who want to go to a game!

  • dk18

    Why do you think that other people want to pay for your kids to go to school. I would rather pay for a stadium! If you decide to have kids you can pay for their schools! Thats common sense! GO VIKES!

    • whatever


    • Jessica

      Love it!

    • jon

      You are so full of fail it isn’t even funny.

    • JIM

      Because educating children is for the common good and enriches all of society. A new Vikings stadium enriches billionaire owners and millionaire players.

      • v

        That’s an opinion. The same case can be made for having professional sports. Neither can be proven true or false. So now we’re all going to come to JIM to find out what’s worthy of our money. Wonderful.

  • UnionBoss

    Get rid of Public union life time pensions and we can all get what ever we want. Public union pensions are breaking every state’s budgit.

    • Mary

      Hay boss, we do not talk about the elephants in the room….

    • Dude!

      What are you talking about?

    • jon

      I am 29 and I have a great county pension. I am not in a union either. Thanks :)

    • JIM

      Don’t allow teachers and firefighters to collectively bargain so you can give hundreds of millions of dollars to the Vikings for their new stadium? Anyone who thinks that disbanding public unions is the answer to all our state’s budget problems is wrong. For that same person to then advocate giving nearly a billion dollars to a professional sports franchise is outright deluded.

  • Duex

    Green and gold is cheese with mold, go away packers this is Vikings territory, we don’t care what you think.

  • Me

    Sorry, I have to laugh at some of these comments. #1 most of the taxes they are talking about coming from the public would be taxes from game tix, stadium merchandise, concesions etc. In other words, if you go to a game you’d be supporting the cause and be helping pay for the stadium- which is more than fair. as far as other taxes- it’ll cost you about 25 cents a year, I doubt you’ll feel any kind of impact and you can find more change than that in your couch. Quit acting like you are going to somehow be finacially impacted by this. How do you thing Target Field and the Excel were paid for? Tell me how that has effected you financially? Furthermore, do any of you people know what a referendum is? A referendum is something YOU actually vote for or against. Law makers don’t make the choice…you do! I bring that up because pretty much ever year, every city let’s the public vote on a referendum to increase your property and local taxes to help fund schools and education in your city. The citizens in 9 out of 10 cities vote against any increases. It’s pathetic! Eden Prarie and Edina are the only cities I’ve seen pass a referendum recently to pay more taxes to improve their schools. Everyone wants great education for their kids, but they want it for free…they want everything for free!Nothing is free people. QUit your whining!

    • JIM

      State and local governments are talking about funding all but about $400 million of this stadium that is expected to cost more than $1 billion.

      If all of the slightly more than 5 million people in this state pay $.25 each, that amounts to about $1.5 million, or in other words a tiny fraction of the price that government is expected to pay. So all of the rest of the money will come from taxes on tickets and merchandise? Consider me skeptical.

      • factdealer

        Jim you do realize the money isnt coming from pawn america, theres more than 90 days to pay the states share.

        • JIM

          “Jim you do realize the money isnt coming from pawn america, theres more than 90 days to pay the states share.”

          What’s your point here? I was responding to “it’ll cost you about 25 cents a year.” At that rate it would take hundreds of years to pay for the stadium, and I’m skeptical that taxes on memorabilia and concessions would make up the difference.

        • M B

          You do realize that for the government (be it county or state) to pay for this they have to sell bonds, right? You realize that on those bonds We The People have to pay the purchasers of those bonds interest, correct? You also should realize that if the projected 600-700 MILLION doesn’t magically appear in concession or other taxes, the state/county STILL has to pay the bonds off, right?

          Let’s say the muni bond they issue is a 15 year one. Let’s also say that they get a good rate, about 4.0 percent. Four percent of 400 million is 16 MILLION dollars a year, just for interest. That’s $3 a year for every man woman and child in the state. Ramsey county folks get hit doubly hard because they have to fund an additional 300 million in bonds. So, the state has to be able to pull in 16 million a year in interest PLUS almost 27 million in equivalent principle. The numbers are actually higher if you figure in amortization, but I was low-balling it. So, you need 43 million a year in concession and misc taxes. Do you REALLY think they’re going to be able to pull in that much?

          • captainobvious

            You do realize that the state isnt charging each minnesotan a dollar figure each year? listen if you dont go to games or buy sports stuff it will be just another small fraction that u wont even notice.

    • tom

      it isn’t free. let ziggy pay for his own business out of his own pocket, not mine

  • wondering

    teachers and school workers collectively bargain…for what…for the wonderful product our publick schools are producing. When I see the Viking stadium I know what I am getting…those teachers…until they can weed out the bad ones and not keep them around just because of tenure..

    • JIM

      What are you getting exactly from the Vikings stadium? The ability to buy expensive football tickets? Unless you work on building the stadium or work at the stadium after it’s built, I don’t think you’re really “getting” anything.

      I think that our public schools do produce wonderful products. They also produce bad products and everything in between. But that’s not the point. Government should focus on things that benefit the public good, such as educating children, not subsidizing new sports stadiums where the benefit to the public good is hazy at best. I hope the Vikings stay and build the biggest, most outrageous stadium money can buy, I just hope they do it with their own money and not ours.

      • Factpointer

        Jim, its 2011 out there, this is how the world works now. All over thye u.s. this happens and i don’t remember any state filing for bankruptcy.

        • JIM

          Factpointer, that doesn’t make it right, and just because we bent over and took tax increases to pay for the Twins stadium doesn’t mean I’m going to willingly bend over and take it again. The state is talking about taking money away from social programs that help people in need and giving money to fund sports stadiums, and in my opinion this is immoral and wrong. We hear about budget deficits and how we all have to tighten our belts and sacrifice. So, let’s sacrifice. I say no public funding for professional sports franchises.

          • factdealer

            iN CASE you live under a rock target field has been a huge success and has completly brought that area back to life, yet you still feel robbed, and you’re going to bend over and take it thats the way it works now. you could move to canada or mexico

            • Mike


              Your right, Target field has been a huge success for everyone who can afford the luxury. The rest of us in Hennepin County pay for it, but will never benefit in any way. Another fact for ya, the Twins still suck, regardless of their new home.

              • factdealer

                Twins yep having 1 bad year, sorry i can afford tickets to numerous games and drinks and food, maybe you should have done something with your life simpleton. Move up north to a trailer if your so broke.

                • GED police

                  Why is it so hard for people to know the difference between “your” and “you’re”?

                • Jeremy

                  Keep preaching “factdealer” you are exactly right. The reason we are so broke is that there is no reason to spend money. The reason why it was such good times in the late 90’s and early 2000’s was because people had jobs and were spending money. We need to get to that type of thinking again and bring opportunities to spend money to make money. If you are not down with more jobs and capitalism then leave MN and live in Iowa.

  • We is smart - indeed

    What a great deal for Ziggy and the players. What a horse manure deal for the taxpayers. This whole thing is subject to “… if Ziggy wants …”

    Mr. Ziggy is going to make a FORTUNE on every aspect of this deal. And Mr. and Ms. Taxpayer are going to get the shaft on every aspect of this deal.

    Contract your legislators and DEMAND that Gov. Crazy Eyes and they allow us to vote on this issue. Regardless of which side of it you’re on, you cannot deny the fairness of a vote on it.

    • v

      Yes you can, when over 80% of the voting public have no knowledge of the inner workings of the deal. 99% of the people you’re imploring don’t even know who their legislators are!

    • whatever

      Can I demand that my tax payer money doesn’t go to public transportation since I can’t use it …….can I demand that my tax money doesn’t go to the arts since I can’t afford to go to a show…..can I demand that my tax money doesn’t go to the schools since I can’t have children? NOPE! Lame argument…..and it’s an old, tired, worn out argument.

      • Chuck

        well put

      • JIM

        Yes, you sure can. This is America, and you can contact your representatives and tell them you don’t want your taxpayer dollars going to public transportation, the arts, and schools. Of course they won’t listen to you, just like they won’t listen to those of us against the stadium.

        • v

          My kids “don’t want” to eat a balanced meal every night. It’s up to me (with the knowledge and information about the long term positive effect) to make the decision for them. Simply saying “I don’t like it” is a naive and childish approach.
          Pro sports franchises are valuable assets to major markets. They generate millions in revenue, thousands of jobs, and build a common bond for a community. Anyone ever heard of two mayors wagering a bet over who’s gonna have the best performance of “CATS”? Anyone at the water-cooler on Monday discussing the captivating lawn-mowing experience they had on Sunday? Walk into any elementary school at any time and you’ll see at LEAST a dozen pro sports jerseys on kids. Look, pro sports isn’t everything… but it is a HUGE ASSET. Besides, the venue(s) are only USED by these franchises. They don’t own them. WE do. So many tax-whiners simply can’t get that through their cheap little heads. No, politicians shouldn’t roll-over for the owners… but that’s concerning the details of how the revenues will be distributed. It’s not a matter of SHOULD WE… more a case of where, and how. Like any contract or negotiation, it’s up to our legislators to dictate terms that are beneficial to the community.

    • tom

      vote works for me, I am getting my NO vote ready

  • c-k

    Ramsey county and the Vikings play the cards so it looks like the State of MN is the bad-cop. This is looking to be a blame game – – glamor boys run to the spot light and take all the credit then point fingers and blame others when it gets to the work.

    The use of the word “Viking” should be as offensive to a norwegian as sioux is to native americans. waaa haaaaaa haaaaa

  • captainobvious

    Im so thankful my life isn’t so bad that I would even notice a 1/2 cent sales tax increase

    • whatever

      RIGHT ON!

    • JIM

      If you think that they’re going to pay for this $1 billion stadium with a 1/2 cent sales tax increase then I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

      • factdealer

        Yes also on ticket prices, and other events held there, seeing this is state county owned stadium dolt. Look 4 another battle you’re paying for it thanks 4 helpinf those of us that can afford $5 a year

    • Transplant

      How does that 1/2 cent sales tax look on a $500,000 boat?

      • factdealer

        It dont matter if u can buy a 500k boat sales tax is not a concern , what a foolish comment

    • Duex

      Said so well. poverty must bring on the whiners.

  • Me

    did you miss the detail in the agrrement that states this will a publically and state onwed stadium? The Viking won’t own it. They will be paying the state to lease it just like they do the dome. In other words, they are chipping in $400 million for a stadium the state will own and make millions of dollars off of by using it for other events. How is this not fair people? No one is building Ziggy Wilf a stadium and handing him the keys. This is just a big a winner for the state as it is the Vikings. Increased revenue for the Vikings, and increased revenue for the state of MN. The real question is where is the state going to spend the revenue that is generated from a new stadium.

  • Marty Schmidt

    Minneapolis Washburn High School needs replacing much worse than these 4 time losers need a new home. More wasted money on SPORTS than educating Minnesotans….

    • stillobvious

      You want a new zoo built to house those animals. Id rather build the t-wolves a new arena and i hate nba and their awful. Why invest in future criminals

      • MARK

        stillobvious, you’re an idiot.

  • Grrrrr

    Marty, 2 COMPLETELY different things! That’s what all you who are against this need to realize. #1 You’retalking about 2 completely different pools\types of tax payer money. #2 People need to relalize that the Vikings generate $100+ million of revnue for the state every year. What’s good for them is good for the state. The more revenue the Vikings generate, the more money the state gets. Things like new schools come from a different tax pool. You also need to realize a new stadium is a financial investment. It;s eventually going to make money for the state. Should schools be upgraded and built? Absolutely, but you’re talking about 2 different tax revenue streams..

  • Rick Betts

    Does anyone recall a few years ago when the Wilfs tried to pull off a deal in Anoka only to have it fail (and cause a lot of bad blood in the process)?

    I am a firm believer the Arden Hills deal will fall through and a new stadium will eventually be built on the site of the Metrodome. (The Vikings will play at TCF for a couple of years in the meantime.)

    I don’t believe team ownership would go into this crap deal if they weren’t sure they would come out squeaky clean on the other end.

    Let’t think about it for a moment – the taxpayers pick up the majority of the upfront stadium costs (and they will, despite the claims otherwise) along with the ongoing maintenance. Since the Twins and Gophers have their own stadiums, a new football stadium would only be used maybe 60-90 days per year meaning it would stand empty 3/4 of the year.

    If the legislators really want a stadium, make it no risk to the public with bonds, not higher taxes and “user fees”.

  • Pink Pony

    What a huge waste of time, effort and money. Just because the Vikings sign a new stadium doesn’t mean they are going to play any better than they have in the past years and we all know how frustrating that is. We should spend the resources/money on better football players, coaches, etc and less on the crap that is going to piss people off even more when choke in the playoffs.

  • Rob

    Wow a 65,000 seat stadium, where is all that fan support i hear about everyday on the radio. Why you should be able to sell out 80 easy. Loser team, loser town.

    • robgob

      if we make it 80k seats you’ll cry more for additional cost, Mr. not well to do

      • Play at The Bank

        Have the Vikings play at the TCF Bank Stadium. The Bank has a seating capacity of 50,300 that is expandable up to 80,000. TCF Bank Stadium features 39 luxury suites, 59 loge boxes and 300 indoor seats.

        • factdealer

          I dispute those numbers they’re incorrect look again

        • factdealer

          of that 50k seating capacity those include all suites and everyother seat there

  • Mike Merker

    coleman is against any tax that he or his buddies on the city council didn’t come up with on their own. They should worry more about all the empty store fronts and why is it no one wants to have a business in St.Paul!

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