Gay Marriage Ban Heads To 2012 Ballot

By Pat Kessler, WCCO-TV 

ST. PAUL, Minn. (WCCO) — The countdown is on to the end of the legislative session.

State law says it must end Monday with serious issues still unsolved regarding the budget, a Vikings stadium, and more. There was also a lot of emotion this weekend over a gay marriage ban.

The Minnesota House voted 70-62 late Saturday night to approve the amendment banning gay marriage. Angry protesters waiting outside the House chambers to offer feedback.

“Shame, shame, shame, shame,” they screamed.

Republicans were escorted out of the House chambers by armed state patrol officers.

They’d just finished six hours of emotional debate on the gay marriage ban. It will go on the 2012 ballot: Here’s what it will say.

“Shall the Minnesota Constitution be amended to provide that only a union of one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Minnesota?”

That question will go on the 2012 election ballot. It’s a very big deal for Republicans who pushed hard to pass it during the legistlative session.

The clock runs out on the legislative session at midnight on Monday, and the legislature and Governor have not done what they came here to do: Balance the budget.

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  • Liz Reid

    I can’t believe the House is so blind. The only difference between straight and gay couple is one can potentially procreate and the other can’t. Is that all the marriage is about? I think not. What about love, caring, commitment, the looking out for and after the welbeing of the mate, companionship, the “shoulder to lean on” that is special in a marriage. Does the House think that is unique and only found in a hetero relationship? That is what marriage is about and to say only one group of people shall be allowed to be joined in marriage, and not another, makes it have less meaning for all. It makes me sad and angry to know te people who have been chosen to represent everyone… gays included, should have such a hateful and demeaning attitude.

    • For Adam There Was Not Found An Help Meet For Him

      Genesis 2
      20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
      21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
      22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
      23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
      24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
      25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

      • Rob

        Thanks for the post from Genesis as a reminder of how flawed the religious argument against gay marriage is. Anyone who has the ability to read, and who has actually read the Bible, is very well aware that the biblical account of creation contradicts itself and is full of more flaws and holes than a Mother Goose nursery rhyme.
        We have factual physical evidence of the existence of dinosaurs, which are not mentioned in the bibile.
        We have factual physical evidence that life existed on earth for millions of years, yet the bible places the earth’s age at only 5000 to 6000 years.
        We are told in Genesis that Adam and Eve had Cain and Abel, and that Cain somehow found a “wife” and produced children although Genesis gives us not indication that other people existed or where they came from???
        Going past Genesis, the historic accounts of the Bible have yet to have one shred of evidence produced to show that a single line written in the bible actually occurred. There has been zero evidence that Moses existed. There has been zero evidence that the Hebrews were actually slaves in Egypt. There is zero evidence that there was an Exodus from Egypt. There has been zero evidence that Jesus ever existed. Nothing in the Bible has any factual evidence to show that any of those storys actually occuured. In fact, there’s more and more evidence showing that much of the Bible was written by people who lied about their identity … the book of Paul that claims women should not speak in church and should be subserviant to their husbands was not even written by Paul, but by someone who claimed to be him.
        A whole lot of people are getting sick and tired of religious nuts throwing the bible in our faces and spewing their hate. especially since the majority of their biblical knowledge is limited to what they have been told by the Republican Party, the perverse Catholic church, or saw on a Charlton Heston movie.
        And BTW, let’s call a spade a spade …. Islam and Christianity have been responsible for more death throughout history than every plague in history combined. The Christian faith has torutured men, women and children throughout history with some of the most brutal and inhumane devices every imagined by man. How many innocent people have been burned alive on the order of Christians? How many children have been slaughtered as a direct result of religious intolerance?
        If there is a God, then organized religion is the anti-Christ and the Bible is the work of the devil. keep you religious mindless ignorance in your own home and church and keep that evil book out of our government.

        • Name One Thing That Is True About Evolution

          Next you are going to tell us that we evolved from slim and that our grandparents were Oak Trees.

          • Good Ol Boy

            Also not part of this discussion. There is no part in this debate for god or evolution. They are not relevant here.

            • MarkH

              Well put, Good Ol Boy. I’d like to see this topic debated without the inclusion of religious revelation or “divine directives” being used. Does anyone have a useful, cogent, well-reasoned argument on why gays should NOT be allowed to marry? I’d truly like to hear that argument. Peace.

  • Victim Du Jour

    Marraige is just a thing the Government uses to get Moms and Dads to fight more and embarrass each other in a courtroom, to make money for lawyers and Social Workers in the Union.

    I have to believe the media ignores civil unions to get the public to fight too.

  • Terry

    Can’t argue with that logic

  • Vadim

    Guys, i don’t disagree with you but let me add that a family (ie. mum+dad) is still the most effective mechanism for bringing up children

    • Bryan

      Yes and they bring up more gay children that any other group on the planet!

    • Rob

      really? tell that to all the hundreds of children who are murdered by their parents each year here in the US. And I hate to burst your bubble, but all those children that are in the foster care system as a result of neglect, abuse, and sexual assault …. those foster children are all born from straight marriages and relationships.
      Seems that the straight world is bent on destroying their children and families while gay couples are trying to honor the bounds of marriage and end up taking in children who have been abused in “traditional families”.

      • Victim Du Jour

        70% of the Prison Population have been raised by single mom’s.

        Sorry to burst your Talkshow junky stuff.

    • Good Ol Boy

      That has nothing to do with this topic, Vadim…

  • Victim Du Jour

    Why not make Civil Unions easier, when you apply for a civil union it’s like a Prenuptial agreement. A series of questions, asked by the State that settle the terms of a divorce while people are getting along.

    I suppose we’ll need more “Appointed” Judges who need pension money if gays want to drag their Jerry Springer garbage into a courtroom.

    Republicans can put another ballot measure allowing people to yell “Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! To the Jury!

  • Victim Du Jour

    And why do I always overhear ghetto-MILFs deep in conversation about CPS on their cell phones as they walk by everytime I goto certain malls?

    Sometimes you see them on the phone and buying $260 of tombstone pizzas, orange crush and ramen noodles with an EBT card at the same time.

    I suppose the CPS union shops will need more
    cash, if Gays start using children as weapons for divorce court too.

  • Pete

    Soon The House will ban gay people from being gay… Pretty sure that’s next!

    • Good Ol Boy

      Pete, I agree. And a telling component is the folks who say “there’s nothing natural about playing in poop.” As if that is somehow the argument. So are they saying they want anal sex banned too? Is it the sex or the marriage that’s really being debated here?

  • Angry 2009 Grad

    How does banning gay marriage, which is already not legal, help me get a job? Grow up, Republicans.

    • Let me slap you - Grow up.

      Why do you need a Republican to get you a job. What kind of weakling are you? Do you still need your Mother to breast feed you?

      • Good Ol Boy

        Republican politicians have a job to do too. But apparently instead they are wasting that time and money with things that DON’T MAKE ANYTHING BETTER.

  • Karl

    This just goes to show what the Republican agenda truly is. Instead of dealing with important issues of the people– dealing with a very weak economy, a foreclosure mess, and unemployment, here they are passing divisive legislation that does nothing more that promote their moral agenda. I sure hope that we are getting everything we wanted when we voted in the “Republican Tide” last Fall.

  • Donny

    You can’t legislate morality…

  • This is old news, 'CCO

    Quit trying to characterize the legislation as a Gay Marriage Ban. It’s not. Gay people can marry anytime they want, as long as they marry someone of the opposite sex.

    • Good Ol Boy

      And why would they do that?

      Would you marry a gay man if that was all that was legal and someone told you that was what we all voted you could do?

  • Jim

    This is the most significant accomplishment our Republican legislature can take credit for. Do they really think this is what they were elected to do? And all the important work remains undone. Who are you voting for next time?

  • Susannah

    Why do we pick this one thing out of the Bible to focus on, when there are so many other 100s of things people do every day that are wrong in the eyes of God? I think there are many more things that are far more harmful to the sacredness of marriage. How about divorce? Or adultery? Isn’t adultery one of the 10 commandments? Why isn’t there a constitutional amendment for this, as it is far more detrimental than something like the LOVE of two people.

    • One more thing

      Adultery is one of the commandments….so should “Thou shalt not be a poop packer” and expect normal society to be accepting and congratulate you when you marry your life partner.

      • Good Ol Boy

        Wait. Is this about banning anal sex or about marriage. Make up your mind, “one more thing.”

    • Good Ol Boy

      The bible shouldn’t be part of the discussion at all. The bible shouldn’t be a part of ANY legal debate. It is NOT RELEVANT.

  • Danielle

    Why do Conservatives insist they are for small er Government, yet they take every opportunity to make Government more invasive in people”s private lives?

  • jMor

    Wow, it is NOT a “ban” on gay Marriage…Please read it… Gays can still get married… it just about the rest of us not having to “recognize” something we find abhorrent… Go get married and leave the majority of us alone.. you don’t need our approval or blessing and your not going to get it.

    • Websters

      Love = Abhorrence ?
      Love > Fear

      • jMor

        ….there is no mention of “fear” in the definition of abhorrent… its about validation.. Gays want to force others to “validate” their lifestyle… why not just go about their business and leave the rest of us alone… why do they need validation if the first place?

        • Good Ol Boy

          Why do YOU?

          • JMor

            It’s not about me, it’s about promoting the traditional family structure …..don’t try to delute the definition of marriage so you can be included… just go about your way without my don’t really want it anyway..or so you say..

            • stace34

              I find men marrying their mistress who are younger than their children abhorrent can we vote to not recognize those marriages? I mean they can still get married we just won’t recognize it. I mean if the rest of “us” don’t like it then we as a society should not have to recognize it. This could be fun. Let’s think of what else we don’t like about peoples personal lives that we don’t like and we can vote on it. Because government should dictate what is right for people’s personal lives. We should all have a vote in everybody’s personal lives and be able to not recognize that which we don’t like. After all this isn’t the United States of America where we accept differences and promote equal treatment of all our citizens.

            • Good Ol Boy


              Why do you get an opinion, let alone get to grant approval if you so choose?

              Please describe in detail how your life would change if gays were marrying left and right.

              Please be specific.

              • JMor

                …again, no one is banning Gay marriage… the Gays are asking for recognition and equivalency with traditional marriage… this is simply not logical…. it is clearly two different things…

            • Good Ol Boy

              The definition of marriage doesn’t need your approval either.

        • Websters

          jMor: All negative feelings and emotions are fear based. Abhorrence is fear based. All positive feelings and emotions are love based. Validation is love based. Everyone wants to be loved and accepted and heard……it’s the human condition. Just like you want your statements to be validated, otherwise you would have never posted here.

          Love is putting someone else’s spiritual, mental and physically well being before your own. Perhaps you don’t know much about this. If you do not, I send you Love now.

          • JMor

            Thanks for the love… but that is not the issue… I can and do still love the person while at the same time consider the behavior abhorrent…. Meanwhile back to the issue, the majority wishes to promote the traditional family structure of our society ….not dilute it with an expanded definition of marriage.

            • Good Ol Boy

              “I can and do still love the person while at the same time consider the behavior abhorrent…. ”


              • JMor

                False? … I love my son.. but when he marries his partner I’m certain the marriage should not be recognized as equilant to a traditional marriage between a man and a woman…. It is different and should be recognized as that.. My love for my son is unconditional… with his lifesyle choices I can still disagree.

            • markH

              It wasn’t that long ago that racists were calling a marriage between a black man and a white woman as “abhorrent” and not part of the “traditional family structure.” Would you have been part of that group then? Don’t answer to me-answer to yourself. It seems to me that, while we certainly haven’t eradicated racism, we have made great strides in helping small and bigoted minds realize that a who a person is is LESS important (or not important at all) than WHO a person is. Of course, bigoted and small minds can still be found JMor. Peace.

              • JMor

                apples and oranges…

    • Rob

      I don’t believe that ignorant people should be allowed to have children and reproduce, and I find many straight marriages “abhorrent”. So by your explanation, I shouldn’t be forced to recognize your marriage either and therefore you shouldn’t be allowed to visit your spouse in the hospital, file joint tax returns, buy property with the right of survivorship, or have the right to inherit property.
      For the record, NO ONE wants your approval or blessing on our relationships. What we want is for you to get the hell out of our lives and relationships, and to allow us to legally protect our spouses and children in the event of each other’s death. Is that such a horrible thing to ask?
      And for the record …. No, the same thing can’t always be done by a Will because Wills can, and are often contested, by greedy family members.
      And no we can’t always visit our sick partners in the hospital because we aren’t the “next of kin” so often some family member that hasn’t been seen in 30 years shows up and tells the nursing staff not to allow us to visit.
      Take away all the religious hate mongering and ask yourself, is allowing me to protect and stabilish my family really going to hurt you? I mean really, does it affect you at all?

      • JMor

        Wills and Estate planning can always be contested, Gay or Straight is no different…. and if the hospital thing is such a big deal then put it in writing when you get married… Property survivor rights can be solved with a stroke of the pen too….. on the joint tax return which was set up to help families…. that issue I could be swayed on…..

    • stace34

      No one is asking you to approve of same sex couples marrying. We are asking that you stand up for the American values that make this country great. This includes the idea that we are a nation that promotes equality. Equality is a value that should not be subject to vote.

      • JMor

        Actually Stace, approval or recognition is exactly what you are asking for.. please read the amendment… no where is the word “banned” used… only the newspaper and the ignorant use this word.

        “Shall the Minnesota Constitution be amended to provide that only a union of one man and one woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Minnesota?”

        • Good Ol Boy

          Who are you to decide if it should be approved or recognized?

          Which group of people should vote on whether YOUR life is approved or recognized?

          Which groups would you NOT want to participate in that vote?


          • JMor

            It is the Gays that are requesting approval, not the other way around….Gay marriage is not being banned or made illegal…. the ammendment is just saying that it is not equivalent to traditional marriage between a man and a woman…. its not the same and it shouldn’t be treated as such.

  • stace34

    We have no budget and yet the legislature took the time and spent the money to add a vote to the constitution to make illegal something that is already not legal? Really this is what you choose to focus on at the end of your session rather than putting all of your efforts to the budget. This was more important than figuring out how to balance our budget. Getting a vote to add something to our constitution banning something that is already ban in this state. Redundant doesn’t even come close to describing the amendment. That and how can the party that pushed this through ever claim again to be about small government. They can’t this is the exact opposite of what a small government conservative would do. Small government conservatives are against having government in our personal lives, and yet they think that pushing through a vote on people’s personal lives is what government should be doing. And this is what government should be focused on rather than fixing our budget. So congrats on being the biggest hypocrites around. First you fail on fixing the budget which is your primary job, then you fail at actually following the principles of a small government conservative which is what you claim to be.

    • Read My Lips - No New Taxes

      We have no budget because Dayton wants to raise taxes.

      Raising taxes is a Non-Starter.

      Republicans – hold your ground – we want NO NEW TAXES.

      • stace34

        Dayton want to raise some taxes on the richest of Minnesotans and cut spending. Nothing should be a non starter. There should be a combination of both to get the budget in line. This is the real world not fantasy land. Sometimes there needs to be compromise. There is no place in the government to act like a 3 year old and hold your breath until you get your way.

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