Screech Machine Could Drive Teens Away From Park

HASTINGS, Minn. (WCCO) — The city of Hastings is looking to curb vandalism at a local park by installing a device that emits a high-frequency sound only heard by teens and some adults.

Parks and Recreation Director Barry Bernstein said their looking to redevelop Cari Park near Red Wing Boulevard and are considering adding the security device known as SonicScreen, made by Miracletech Security. It would be installed by Webber Recreational Design, which is a company in Hastings.

“It’s a sound barrier that would be activated when the park is closed to reduce loitering on the play equipment,” Bernstein said.

Bernstein said the security device is specifically designed for kids ages 12 to 18. It omits a high-pitch sound at 17.5 Kilohertz that can irritate teens. Some have described the noise as a mosquito buzzing in your ear or fingernails scratching a chalkboard.

The tone has a 50-foot radius so neighbors living nearby shouldn’t be bothered.

“It doesn’t effect animals,” said Jay Webber of Webber Recreational Design. “It doesn’t effect them from the standpoint of not being able to hear it.”

The reason adults can’t hear it is because at the age of 20 you begin to lose your high-frequency hearing.

“Those decibel levels basically go away from our ability to hear them,” said Webber. “We actually have an option of having a child or an adult version for the actual sound. I can hear the adult setting and that’s more for vagrancy on boardwalks where people are trying to sleep in a park.”

The technology was designed in the United Kingdom to keep kids from loitering in certain areas. Teens have adopted the mosquito sound as a ringtone and some use it during class so teachers can’t hear it.

Bernstein is looking to place the deterrent in the new design of Cari Park. He said vandals have struck the park after dark several times.

“Part of the structure has been set a blaze,” said Bernstein. “We found human excrement in our tube slides. Urine on our tornado slide. It’s been tagged.”

Bernstein said they’re also considering installing security cameras, lights and other voice monitoring system.

“A voice will come on and say ‘Please remove yourself from this area,'” Bernstein said.

Hastings has $60,000 to replace the aging park. The SonicScreen system will cost around $7,000 and will be included in the cost.

Bernstein said the security system will save the city money in the end. He said they have five maintenance workers that oversee 400 acres of parks and 33 miles of trails. Whenever someone vandalizes a park, it costs the city not only money but time.

“It’s more significant not in only in dollars but in time,” Bernstein said.

  • Darren

    Remember when we were kids and we were caught doing this? THe belt is what happened on a bare bujtt. But u can’t do that anymore but that is what these kids need that and a few cops to do some police business with them when they get busted.

    • Good Ol Boy

      I lived there. It is not grown-ups vandalizing the park. It’s kids. There is no presumption here. Or do you live in that neighborhood and know something nobody else does?

      • Salad Monster

        I live here now, and I have for two years. I think you’re out of touch. It’s mostly older teenagers and young adults (17-22) hanging out there now. If what they say about this noisemaker is true, about half of these punks are too old to be affected by it.

        • Good Ol Boy

          Hanging out there != vandalizing it. I stand by what I said before and that is that the older kids aren’t the ones pooping on the slides or blowing up a bic lighter.

          • Long Neck

            But vandalizing it does mean hanging out there. One has to be present in order to commit vandalism, do they not? If the older kids are the only kids in the park, how can you maintain that someone else is responsible for the vandalism?

            • Good Ol Boy

              Telaporting poop lol

            • Good Ol Boy

              They’re the only ones? I very much doubt that.

          • Salad Monster

            So you think the vandalism is being done remotely, by people who aren’t in the park? Or do I need to spell things out very very clearly so you don’t get confused?

            From about midnight to four in the morning, people (mostly young males) between the ages of 17 and 22 are in the park. Or do you have some magical way of seeing into a park that I live near, and you don’t?

            • Good Ol Boy

              What’s with the attitude?

              Yes. I think it’s being done remotely, you friggin moron. Geez. What’s with the insults? If you live on the park, you can agree with me that squad cars won’t do a darn thing, and you can agree that watching from homes for vandals will not be successful either. Now get off your high horse.

              No, I think it’s being done by young teenagers just the way it was before. I seriously doubt 22 year old men are pooping on the slide and burning BIC lighters.

              Or is that what YOU think is happening, Einstein?

              • Long Neck

                I find it ironic that you criticize someone for having an “attitude” while hurling insults in nearly every post you’ve made.

            • Salad Monster

              Aw, I see I’ve upset you. Maybe it’s time you got off mommy’s computer and had a nice little nap.

              • Les Johnson

                Mommy’s computer?

                Is that really still being used on the Internet as the cyber-bullying tactic du jour? Really?

    • Good Ol Boy

      The kids doing these vandalisms are very young teens, not the 17 year olds. I used to live in this neighborhood. It isn’t a hangout for the burnout 17-20 year olds at all.

    • Jim Strathmeyer

      Yes, Darren, child abuse is the exact sort of thing that leads to this sort of behavior. Thanks for talking about your past abuse, I know it’s very hard for people, but the important thing is that we do not continue the cycle of abuse and treat our children this way.

  • Brian

    I can’t wait to hear about the unintented consequences.

    • Good Ol Boy

      Such as?

      • ProudAmerican

        Ear plugs will be sold out!!

      • CBinMD

        Such as peoples pets for a mile around going freakin nuts each time this noise machine is activated

        • Good Ol Boy

          @bad young girl:

          I’m sure you thought your response was very clever, but you simply did not come up with any “unintended consequences.”

          @CBinMD, do you have any legitimate reason to believe that will happen? Yes or no.

          • Will

            Unintended consequence….how about that it doesn’t solve the problem but spends tax payer money. All the kids have to do to avoid the noise is simple soft foam ear plugs, and I would say that would be unintended. An easier solution is more police doing rounds combined with more motion activated high-powered lights in the trouble areas.

            • Will

              Well, as I read down, I see that simple foam plugs don’t seem to work. I bet Bose will sell more headphones then.

        • Good Ol Boy

          No. Not a concern. Next?

      • Davis

        Repelling all teens?

      • Davis

        Such as all teen being driven away.

  • Mr. Reality

    You can probably buy ear plugs at the same place they sell spray paint and sharpie markers.

    • idiocracy

      I’ve been laughing at your comment all day.

    • Big Bear

      Or they will just wear I-pods with the gangsta rap turned up to max. Neighbors should form a protection group and any brat who gets caught vandalizing will get a good arse whooping. Any paper-shaking lawyer who tries to defend the rights of the little thugs will get a harder beating.

  • Pate

    I don’t know about that whole thing regarding adults who cannot hear high frequency sounds.And what about kids who listen to music at ear-splitting levels? Don’t tell me that they can hear a high frequency tones after that.Good luck,Hastings.

    • Rose in NYC

      There’s an app on the iphone, I believe, that emits a high frequency sound that 99% of people under 30 can’t hear.

      • Andrew P.

        do you (or does any other poster) know the name of this app?

        • idiocracy

          You’ll probably find something if you Google the following terms-
          iphone app mosquito ringtone
          iphone app ultrasonic ringtone
          iphone app dog whistle

  • Otay Alan

    Would the money be better spent on video cameras?

  • IronAngel

    Ear plugs don’t help. I have unfortunately run across one of these things before. At 30, I luckily (or unluckily, in this case) retain my sensitive hearing. SonicScreens do nasty work. As for consequences, I have personally observed two other adults that couldn’t hear it, but developed headaches while in range that eased off when they left the area. I strongly support this measure though. It’s a good idea.

    • Kay

      I’m the same way. I’m 25 and I can hear high-frequency noises too and they can be really awful sometimes. It’s like the sharpest sound you’ve ever heard, but very high-pitched. Ugh, I get chills just thinking about it. Also, what about dogs? Aren’t they very sensitive to high-frequency sounds? It’s sounds like a cruel way to prevent crime, and who’s to say it’s preventing anything? It’s sort of like the pat-downs and body-scanners. Let’s make everyone miserable all because of a few bad apples. This kind of blanket approach to security doesn’t really stop anything because they are punishing everyone, it’s just not efficient, nor is it a just way to “secure” people.

      • Good Ol Boy

        “Let’s make everyone miserable…”

        That isn’t the situation here. You are not thinking this through clearly.

      • alex

        Kay, don’t worry about these frauds.

      • heatherfeather

        It’s the liberal mantra: If one errs, all suffer.

        • Alan Soucy

          Let’s pay you $5 an hour and you can be Playground poop patrol captain !!!! And no it’s not a liberal matra… Liberals accept this type of behavior… Bad Johny 25 year old you pooped on the slide…. Shame on you…. Don’t do it again and again and again….. No harm no penalties no foul!!!!!!

      • Alan Soucy

        At 25, what are you doing in the park at night. Stay out of the park…. It only has a 50ft radius for each device installed…. It won’t affect you at home…. Idiots….

        • Les Johnson

          I tried to tell them the same thing, Alan, but somehow toddlers will explode in their beds in Rosemount, and dogs as far away as Burnsville will start howling at the moon. Bats will collide with semis causing horrific crashes as well.

          Additionally, the Rhodes Scholars commenting here have notified me that small children will easily disable the device, and senior citizens walking by the park will have their pace makers start on fire.

          Good luck selling your logic based on truth and facts. They ain’t in the market for such things.

          • Alan Soucy

            lol… I rarely reply to this kind of dribble… For some reason this time I felt compelled… Losing battle with the world brain trust !!!! We’re in BIG trouble :-@

  • Good Ol Boy

    Nobody needs to be in this park after 10pm anyway. There isn’t anything to do in the dark there. It’s isolated enough that nobody is going to have their ears tortured while sitting in bed watching TV or outside in their yards. This is a fantastic idea, and I can’t wait to see how well it works and where else it can be used.

    • Choad

      Nobody *needs* to be in a park at all. Your make-believe lack of necessity doesn’t justify this ridiculous and ineffective measure. I can’t wait to hear about how this fails miserably, doing nothing bust costing taxpayers money. I’m glad I don’t live in that garbage heap anymore.

      • Good Ol Boy

        Let me clarify “CHOAD” since you couldn’t figure it out on your own.

        Nobody is ALLOWED in the park after 10. Therefore they don’t NEED to be there.

        Do you get it now?

        • Choad

          All that paint you’re huffing seems to have affected your reading comprehension.

          If you want anyone to understand, you’re going to have to explain yourself better. Nobody can make any sense of your inane, illogical ramblings.

          The park’s closing time has nothing to do with the effectiveness of this machine.

          • Good Ol Boy

            It doesn’t seem you’re making any valid or cogent points here. Were you planning to?

            • Choad

              So you admit to being too stupid to understand what I’m saying. That’s at least a start. If you really thought this plan would work, you’d provide some solid evidence.

              Since you have none, I must assume you are admitting defeat.

              • MrNiceGuy

                Choad… the only thing that makes sense in your writings is your name.

                • Choad

                  So you also admit to not having any valid arguments. Very well, I appreciate your honesty.

  • airatlanticunderground

    Adults might not hear it but dogs all over the neighborhood will and there will be a constant canine He!! all over the area while activated!

    Wonder if it will also drive the rats out of the park into other parts of the community?

    • Good Ol Boy

      “Adults might not hear it but dogs all over the neighborhood will”

      False. Stop trying to spread lies.

  • Jack

    It’s lible to attract a thousand dogs!

    • Les Johnson

      The word is “liable” and no, it isn’t “liable to attract” ANY dogs.

  • Jeff Prager

    As freedom and liberty slowly slip away the sheeple cheer.

    • Rose in NYC

      Freedom and liberty? To do what? Willfully destroy someone else’s property?

      • Dan

        Teaching young people to be responsible with their liberties is no easy task, but it is most certainly imperative to the future of freedom.

        • Choad

          People are terrified of real freedom, because it requires responsibility. The typical American, as evidenced by the overwhelming majority of posts on this forum, would actually prefer an Orwellian police state. They’d give up every ounce of their liberty for more comfort and security. Who cares if the phones are tapped, just as long as my curly fries are hot.

          • JC

            Hey, how old are you.

        • Jimmy J

          Dan you are totally correct. To hurt someone to get them to behave is just teaching violence… How bout some respect education? Or how bout some parental liberty to paddle your kids arse when they do a high enough level of bad…? No that requires work from the adults and adults do enough work at WORK right??? Silly humans grow up and teach instead of ban!!!

          • Good Ol Boy

            Nothing’s being banned here. Did you even read the article?

            Real freedom? Come on. This isn’t restricting anybody’s freedoms. Kids already can’t be out that late. And the park is closed. Nobody’s freedoms are being touched here. Please LEARN TO READ.

            • Good Ol Boy

              RAW RAWR RAWR I AM ANGRY!

          • Steve Bubba

            People are too lazy to teach their kids. They’d rather believe in a magical device that makes teenagers behave.

            • Les Johnson

              So if it isn’t the Berditzmans down the street whose kids are doing it, then are the Berditzmans the lazy ones if they want this device installed in the park?
              Your comment didn’t make much sense.

  • Jim Speed

    GREAT! Tell them what you’re going to do and they’ll wear ear protection .. and YES, typical gun range hearing protection DOES work against high frequency sounds. These very high frequency waves are EASILY deflected by Anything. lower frequencies are NOT affected by protection as much.. this is why low frequency and ELF extremely Low frequency waves can be MILES across.

    • Good Ol Boy

      @Jim Speed

      12 and 13 year olds are going to come to the park with gun range hearing protection in order to hang out and poop on the slide?

      Really? I think you need to ponder this a bit further.

      • Nacho Mama

        You’re right. After some pondering, I see that the sound isn’t harmful, just annoying. They won’t need ear protection at all to poop on the slide. This won’t stop any vandals.

      • IHateTyranny

        Who says its kids that are pooping on the slides? I would argue that Adults are more likely to defecate in public spaces then are teenagers or children.

        • Les Johnson

          Interesting argument, but it doesn’t ring true when faced with historical evidence.

        • Good Ol Boy's Mom

          Good Ol Boy is 57, and he still poops on the slide every time we take him to the park.

  • Nancy Aleshire

    Kind of stupid!!!! What about the teens and young people who are not causing any problem in the park. Maybe they’d have better luck pumping in music by Vivaldi or Beethoven.

    • Adam Copp

      So what gives the noise machine a right to be in the park after 10pm? Are we giving rights to machines that we don’t give to humans? Is that what this country is about?

  • Phil

    My Hearing is still good (I am into my 40’s) and I hear all kinds of things. Good behavior starts at HOME and at a young age. If sonic devices don’t work what is next

    • idiocracy

      This has just about everything to do with targetting people who have not experienced ‘hearing loss’. It is a pretty specific hearing loss.

      {insert insult about uneducated responses here}

      • Good Ol Boy

        My point was more to address the fact that newborns won’t be freaking out 4 blocks away and 50 year olds with great hearing won’t have a problem either.

        Thanks for jumping at a perceived opportunity though. Sort of predictable.

        • idiocracy

          You (Good Ol Boy) have no idea how far this tone will reach, unless you are in fact a part of the company that made this device or similar ones. I’d give you a small amount of credit if you were an audiologist or even an audio engineer.

          This device will probably be hooked up by people who can’t hear the tone, how are they going to know how loud the volume is? Maybe they will turn it up just so they can hear it? I don’t know. But, neither do you. PLUS- Setting at a volume that is suitable for daytime will carry much further at night. Just something else to consider.

          Knowing that someone will attack your biased comments isn’t a huge feat of intuition.

          • Good Ol Boy

            Actually YOU don’t know, but I DO know.

            I went to their website and read the specs. Did you?

            The volume is configurable.
            The range can be shortened to 50 feet.
            The sound range can be shortened or widened to affect a larger age range or a shorter one.
            Pets are not affected.
            It doesn’t matter if it’s “hooked up by people who can’t hear the tone.” The settings are manually configurable. It isn’t a guessing game.

            A setting in daytime? The device is to be used dusk til dawn. The daytime usage is not a valid concern, so that is moot.

            So, now that I’ve cleared your list of irrational concerns, do you have any legitimate ones? If not, a simple “no” would suffice.

            Thanks for playing.

            • idiocracy

              I will admit I didn’t visit their website because I don’t care. You are the only one that seems to care about this, we’re all laughing at it…and by extension, you.

              Volume is configurable- I expected as much. Manual volume control isn’t a safety feature though.

              Range CAN BE shortened to 50 feet- What’s it’s default position? What is the max? Are you going to be able to set it precisly?

              Pets are not affected- Is there video of this device near an animal? What frequency does a dog whistle operate at?

              It absolutely matters if it’s hooked up by people that can’t hear the tone. Who’s adjusting it to make sure it only affects the intended area?

              Daytime- When they install it during the day and set the volume, will it be too loud when it’s in use at night? I’m going to bet just about anything that it won’t be installed during the night time.

              You know why people say this is a waste of money?
              1) It doesn’t solve any problems, it just moves it.
              (where? that sounds like an unintended consequence)
              2) Murphy’s Law (paraphrasing) – If someone can, they will. (see #3 & #4)
              3) Any damage to the device, short of rendering it inoperable, could result in the device activating during the day.
              4) Any damage to the device, including rendering it inoperable, will result in replacement costs.

              Oh, now I see all that irrational concern you were talking about. But, I believe it’s called rational concerns. Whether or not they are valid, has yet to be seen. I have been waiting for you to offer some proof that this works without side effects. You alone have been defending this like we insulted your god.

              Whatever fight you’ve been fighting on here, I hope you’re happy. I’m sticking around here so I can laugh all day. Hey, it’s monday. I’m bored. I don’t have any tone emitting devices to mess with. Maybe I’ll drive to Hastings, I think I feel a BM coming on.

              • Good Ol Boy

                Just not great insults. I’m almost disappointed, had I not fully expected this to be your response. So unimaginative. Really.

                You want the answers for the questions you posed? Go find them. I’ve posted what I found on the Internet from the manufacturer and other sites. I’m really sorry, but without installing it or having created it myself, I don’t have that information to share with all of you uninformed, reactionary, knee-jerk responders who think seniors and dogs 4 miles away will howl at a full moon if they put this in. I mean good god people…

          • idiocracy

            Taunting? Really? I’m not interested in insulting you, I think you have insulted your self enough with your postings.

            I don’t actually want answers, because I know you don’t know them. The questions were to make you and anyone else think. This device is not the second coming of christ.

        • wHATEVER

          You don’t know this. Your OPINION isn’t any more credible than anyone else hear. Old man.

    • Andrew P.

      This entire thread you have accused people of either not comprehending the article, or simply not knowing how to read. What are you so upset about? That somebody would have the nerve to disagree with you. It really reflects on your own level of intelligence. Like the school boy at recess calling all the other kids dumb. Does it make you sleep better?

      Phil’s post here wasn’t some uneducated response. It may have strayed from the topic a little, but certainly not as ridiculous as some of the posts you have made. Why don’t you relax, buddy?

      • Andrew P.

        My post here was directed at “Good Ol Boy”.

      • Good Ol Boy

        First of all, I’m not upset at all.

        Secondly, what I’m correcting people about, and accusing them of not reading about, is because people are stupidly assuming dogs will freak out all over the city. They’re freaking out thinking kids walking by will be affected, as if a 6 year old will be walking in the park at midnight. They think bats will fly into windows and chaos will erupt.

        I’m not the school boy at recess calling anybody dumb. But the comments I referenced above were truly stupid and not legitimate concerns, which I did point out. So, honestly, why didn’t the people who made those uneducated comments at least read and interpret the article? You aren’t curious?

        • Andrew P.

          Perhaps they did read it thoroughly. How can you presume to not what another person is thinking? Based on the few words they have typed, you can now read their minds. Sir, you’re jumping down throats for no cause. Am I curious as to why some people who post can’t write a full and complete sentence? Yeah. It sort of scares me, actually. I can say this at least: while I don’t understand your apparent hostility towards some of the other posters, I can certainly appreciate your ability to write clearly. See how easy that was? Being nice… I promise it won’t hurt.

          • Andrew P.

            “…presume to know…” (1st line). My bad.

          • Good Ol Boy

            Thanks, I went to college.

            You’re mistaking my tone with hostility then. It’s not hostility. But how many of the commenters lived or live in a home on or near Cari Park?

            How many even lived or live in Hastings?

            How many looked up the device on the Internet to see that the range is limited, it doesn’t make dogs or bats crazy, and people nearby aren’t affected?

            Why jump to these conclusions and then brashly post how bad of an idea it is based on those misunderstandings they had that were wrong to begin with??

            • idiocracy

              “How many looked up the device on the Internet to see that the range is limited, it doesn’t make dogs or bats crazy, and people nearby aren’t affected? ”

              Um, I have to ask you if you have looked up the device on the internet for evidence that it does not affect dogs or bats. It looks like you haven’t since you actually refused to investigate earlier- “You made the claim, you back it up. I’m not going to research your claim.” (that was you)

              Ok, you did post the selling points…er…specs:
              “SonicScreen Specs

              SonicScreen does not affect children under 12 or pets.
              Motion activated
              Configurable frequency range and volume
              Dusk-to-dawn sensing available”

              There is no mention of a timer. Dusk to dawn is not a perfect mechanism. Now if it rains, it could potentially activate during the day. Good thing it’s weatherproof.

              • Good Ol Boy

                “Dusk to dawn is not a perfect mechanism. Now if it rains, it could potentially activate during the day.”

                So you’re not sure if they are using more advanced technology than a child’s night light? Seriously?

                You don’t think they can configure it for an hour range, like 10pm to 4am?


              • idiocracy

                Must have hit a limit on number of replies. I have to reply to my own post, but I’m replying to Good Ol Boy-

                How do I know if they are using more advanced technology than a child’s night light? “Dusk to Dawn” only speaks to one thing…light. Given that companies put products together using inexpensive parts… We don’t know. But, it’s possible. And what part of advanced technology would get around spray paint over the sensor?

                As for an hour range- sounds like a timer, which I don’t seem to see on the specs. Is it smart to put it on a timer? Absolutely. Does a timer make this a magical fix-all device? no.

            • Good Ol Boy

              “And what part of advanced technology would get around spray paint over the sensor”

              A simple light timer like the ones old folks use when they leave for the weekend. Device comes on at 10pm, shuts off at 4am. Period. No light sensor, no spray paint technique to fool it. Come on. You didn’t come up with that?

              • idiocracy

                Using a timer in your argument that someone can’t spray paint over a light sensor?

                I didn’t see timer in your bible. (spec sheet) Isn’t that everything I need to know? End All, Be All and such?

                A timer is good, a light sensor is good. They are not infallible. How about daylight savings time? Possibility of a timer triggering early. City workers are not going to be on top of changing that.

                • Les Johnson

                  They all have the potential for failure. All electronic devices have that as an inherent possibility. They all have the possibility of being misconfigured as well. Human error always lurks behind the scene as a potential pitfall.
                  However, has it occurred to you that these potential failings may have been discussed by not only the company marketing the product, but also by the board members who debated the implementation of the device to begin with? Due diligence is standard operating procedure, and for you to assume that none of these possibilities has even been discussed comes off as a bit naive. No offense.

  • Rowdy Boots


    How about a boot on the ass for these little jerks? The Libs will spend us into perdition just so they can experiment with every possibleway to raise children except what works: DISCIPLINE


    • Jimmy J

      Good ol boy, you have a very limited life if your going to sit in this blog and crtique everyones comments. We see you support the noise makers, because we see your a noise maker too… Birds of a feather…

      • Good Ol Boy

        I have a limited life if I comment?

        I support keeping the irresponsible kids of irresponsible parents from vandalizing public resources.

        What do YOU support?

        • airatlanticunderground

          Good Ol Boy

          “I support keeping the irresponsible kids of irresponsible parents from vandalizing public resources.”

          That’s all fine and good and would assume that most of us here are with you on that point alone. It’s just that most of us don’t believe that these sound machines are a responsible method of dealing with the problem.

          One must always consider all potential angles of any potential solutions and we’ve already presented way too many of the pit falls. Personally, I don’t know what would be the best solution but I know enough about sound to know that this is not one that should be utilized.

          Instead of attacking everyone who you don’t agree with, maybe you should broaden your scope of knowledge and learn how to have a respectable debate about the issue. Who knows? Something good may come of it.

          • Good Ol Boy

            It wasn’t my intention to “attack” anybody. Perhaps it was your misperception of my comments that led you to incorrectly assume such intent.

            Have you considered that maybe (just maybe) this has already been researched?

            Or do you think it’s more likely someone is just going to try and see what happens when they hang an electric dog whistle at a park?

            • airatlanticunderground

              Hey GOB, go ahead and post YOUR proof. You keep demanding proof from everyone else yet we’ve yet to see one iota of ‘proof’ from you.

              Typical virtual loud mouth.

              • Good Ol Boy

                I’ve posted it over and over again on this article comment section.

                Go find it.

                Virtual ignorant sloth.

                • airatlanticunderground

                  You’ve posted side of the box specs which are selling points, not proof. Essentially, two different things.

                  And then you continued to resort to your favorite retort: Attack.

                  You and the company (supposedly) claim that it will not effect children under the age of 12. Huh? That tells me one of two things. Either the device will not deter anyone, let alone teenagers, or it is harmful to young children. Actually, whether one consciously hears the device or not, it does have an effect on the body if it’s tuned at high enough decibels (which is not the same as pitch or frequencies).

                  On a side note, I should know better than to try to reason which such vicious, closed minded vermin.

                • Choppy

                  For Good Ol Boy (the name says it all), advertising jargon is the truth. I think he needs to spend less time swilling cheap beer in front of his television set and learn to think critically.

                • Les Johnson

                  What’s your definition of cheap beer?

                  The name says it all? Actually, people steal all my names and pretend to post as me, in a juvenile, pointless, and completely ineffective form of cyber bullying. I have to come up with new ones every day or two. I find it amusing that my words have such an angering effect on the seemingly less intelligent of our fellow commenters, to the point where they try to stalk me, contact me outside the comment section, steal my names, and attempt to harrass me with personal insults about my family. Talk about pathetic.

                • Magatha

                  Aw, poor GOB. You were proven wrong again, so you resort to ad hominem attacks. Name-calling is for children. You need to grow up you want to play with the adults on the Internet.

              • Good Ol Boy

                “That tells me one of two things. Either the device will not deter anyone, let alone teenagers, or it is harmful to young children.”


                Those ideas of yours are both debunked by reading the article thoroughly. And again, thanks for playing.

          • Good Ol Boy

            Why should I consider any possible angles? If the advertising people say this magical black box will keep teenagers out of the park, then that’s what it will do! I bought another magical box from the same people that is guaranteed to keep elephants out of my apartment, and do you know what? I haven’t seen an elephant in my apartment EVER! Zero! Because the magic box keeps them away, just like they said it would! Beat THAT for proof!

            • Good Ol Boy

              So childish.

              Unfortunately, I am not susceptible to bullying, online or in person, and you are no different.

              Copying the moniker will not change your rate of effectiveness from zero, lad.

              • Good Ol Boy

                I’m sorry. My colostomy bag ruptured and now my apartment smells like Fritos.

      • Andrew P.


  • JOe Dutra

    An enemy tribal drumbeat might work better.

  • fact

    Keep voting liberal minnesota, and all you do is end up with more crime and killings.

    • Opinion

      We’ve been voting liberal. What has the crime rate done? You are too simple to post here. You are violating the standards of intelligent posting.

      • fact

        Dear Opinion:
        Uh… yeah. So, how many years has Minnesota been voting liberal?
        Oh, and how has crime changed in that many years? Oh.. yeah thats right worse…
        and it will continue to get worse. Don’t be a fool.
        ha ha wow are you an idiot! Man you must be a REAL winner.

        Facts are facts moron. Sadly, it’s just common sense and you fit the bill for STUPID.
        How sad… what a pathetic loser.

  • JH

    I hope they don’t vandalize the noise machine.

  • Sammie Jo

    so the brats will get earplugs, what a waste of money.

    • Good Ol Boy

      You think vandals are going to wear earplugs to come hang out in the park and poop on the slide and start small fires? Do you HAVE any young teen children? How absurd.

      • idiocracy

        I have to ask- Do you have any young teen children? If the vandalism is boredom related, then this might stop it. But, if they are determined to poop on a slide and give the finger to the man, ear plugs are such a trivial item for them to grab before having their fun.

        Actually, the fact that you couldn’t comprehend a teenager premeditating their vandalism has me worried.

        • Good Ol Boy

          Yes. I do. I have a 17 year old, a 14 1/2 year old, an almost 13 year old, and an 11 1/2 year old. I also have an 8 year old.

          How many do you have?

          • just sayin

            boy I feel sorry for everyone of your unlucky offspring.

            Talk about the luck of the draw; having this POS as your father.

            • Good Ol Boy

              Based on what exactly? Please be specific. Thanks for taking the time.

              • Andrew P.

                Based on you being, or attempting to be, a d0uc(he) bag to every other person who disagrees with you on this forum.

          • MK

            stop having children your stupid!!!!!!! What don’t people get THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THE WORLD STOP IT!!!

            • Good Ol Boy


              That was two consecutive failed attempts at an actual sentence in English. Yikes.

            • Andrew P.

              Ugh. I really don’t want to. But I agree with Good Ol Boy here. Please type your thoughts in a manner that we all would understand. That is, English. Heck, Spanish would work for many. Just, please, no more gibberish.

              • Good Ol Boy

                “Ugh. I really don’t want to. But I agree with Good Ol Boy here.”

                It sucks, I know. You’ll find it happening more and more, the more logic you apply to your planned arguments.

          • idiocracy

            I don’t need to have any kids to know that you never grossly underestimate an opponent.

            • Good Ol Boy

              Looks like you may have done that here today. I’m just sayin…

              • idiocracy

                I shouldn’t have skipped lunch, I could have used the engergy to laugh at that.

                I’m pretty sure I don’t underestimate. I’ve come up with how many ways that thing could be defeated, you haven’t legitimately refutted one and you’re claiming victory because…?

                • Les Johnson

                  All devices can be defeated if someone puts enough time and energy into defeating it.

                  Heck, with some of the elaborate cheating scams out there, it seems kids often spend more time and effort in cheating than they would have just hunkering down and studying.

                  I just don’t think that will be the case here.

                  As far as not legitimately “refuting one” I believe the part about it not affecting dogs is correct and accurate and proves the other 15 people who claimed it would affect dogs – wrong.

          • St Paul

            Stop reproducing!! Your attitude will be passed on to your 5 kids, hope the mom has a better handle on life than you.

            • Les Johnson

              You should be so lucky that’s the case. My kids understand and agree with my approach on life. Take care of yourself, mind your own business, and accept responsibility for one’s actions. Yep, I’m awful alright. You buffoon.

      • Brandon

        If you had half a brain you’d realize that the challenge in vandalizing something is part of the draw for vandals. So yes, the inconveniences will actually encourage the very act the noise generators are trying to prevent.

        • Les Johnson

          For these vandals or for all vandals, regardless of age?

          That is a false generalization, even if it is an occasional motivating factor.

  • James2

    Can’t we pass a constitutional amendment or something?

  • Cathy

    This will not only bother teens, but small children passing by. And don’t forget the dogs, cats, squirrels, birds, etc… I think this is an annoying waste of money. And I think age discrimination is an ugly thing, whether someone is 14, 40, or 84. Just because someone is young, it does not mean they are automatically culpable.

    • Les Johnson

      Cathy, that is a false statement. The device does not affect pets. It states so in the article.

      Also, it won’t affect any small children walking by, due to the fact that small children won’t be in the park after 10pm.

      Additionally, there is no age discrimination at play here.

    • Andrew P.

      She did say, “passing by”, didn’t she (assuming Cathy is female – sorry if you’re not)? And wouldn’t “passing by” then infer that the “small children” are not actually IN the park.

      Please learn to read and comprehend the words. Thanks.

      • Good Ol Boy

        The device has no effect on people outside the park.

        You did read that in the article, didn’t you, Andrew? Or maybe you couldn’t get through the big words and you skipped that part.

        Either way, that isn’t a concern.

        • Andrew P.

          Please copy and paste the part of the article where it said it would have no effect on those outside the park.

          • Good Ol Boy

            It is activated by Motion Sensor. It’s not just blaring high-pitched noise on a constant broadcast.

            It has a 50ft range limitation.

            Any other questions?

            • Andrew P.

              I get that its activated by motion sensor. But is it not possible for a vandal to trip that motion sensor alarm while a law-abiding teen is standing outside the park.

              Also, the 50 ft range is not in the article. You either made that up, or “found it online”. Either way, nobody is commenting on its range because we are commenting on the ARTICLE. Anybody can scour the internet and make up a “range”.

              You clearly didn’t read my last post correctly. Here it is again (emphasis added): “Please copy and paste THE PART OF THE ARTICLE where it said that it would have no effect on those outside the park.”

              No further questions.

              • Good Ol Boy

                I read an additional article here: in which they detail these things.

                I’m sorry if doing additional research somehow violates your ethical code of online debate, Andrew.

              • Good Ol Boy

                It operates by the power of JESUS MAGIC! If the website says it works, it works! Also, tinfoil keeps the devils out of my brain.

          • idiocracy

            “I’m sorry if doing additional research somehow violates your ethical code of online debate, Andrew.”

            You can start the day refusing to research possible side effects, but then do whatever that is?

            • Good Ol Boy

              Once again, you post garbage with no meaning. I’ve found a disturbing pattern in your comments. None seem to be sensical or have a point. Was that intentional?

              • Ted Pedriana

                so since you’re the biggest smack talker on this thread…. maybe you can explain to me how this won’t affect animals.

                • Good Ol Boy

                  Because it’s MAGIC! IT IS MADE OUT OF 100% PURE JESUS MAGIC!


  • RS

    Uh Oh, here come the age discrimination Natzies!!!!!

  • plyutz

    I know of convenience stores that play classical music to keep the youngsters from hanging out.

  • myuskin

    How about handing out job applications at the park entrance? That will keep a lot of people away.

    • Good Ol Boy

      It’s a neighborhood park in a large field area between the townhomes and single family homes. There is no “park entrance” per se.

      It’s more of a playground surrounded by open field than anything.

  • Bob

    This good old boy is a real ass, do you work for the company that makes these sonic devices?

    I just think your “this will happen, can’t wait for it to happen” attitude ignores quite a bit. The system is likely to expensive, the board that is responsible for putting it up have likely gotten 1000 emails from
    Drudge Peeps saying they are outraged, it strikes everyday people as heavy handed so I would not be surprised if this never happens

  • Good Ol Boy

    Because you don’t like my opinion, Bob? Does that mean I should call you names for having a contrary opinion too? Grow up, Bob.

    Have you ever even BEEN TO CARI PARK, Bob? It’s a simple question. I’m basically asking if you have any idea what you’re talking about in this situation. Well, Bob?

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