Minn. Budget Talks Go To Wire; Shutdown Hours Away

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — After five days of secretive budget negotiations with Republican lawmakers, Democratic Gov. Mark Dayton said Tuesday that their next meeting will determine whether a state government shutdown can be avoided with just hours to spare.

Dayton and Republican leaders planned to convene again Wednesday morning, 39 hours before the lack of a budget would force most of state government into a sweeping shutdown that would close everything from state park campgrounds to professional licensing offices, road construction zones and highway rest areas.

The governor held out hope that there was still time to head that off through a combination of a budget deal and a Thursday special session to pass temporary spending authority before putting a full budget in place.

“We recognize time is running short, so we recognize tomorrow is the day we’re going to have to make our final breakthroughs,” Dayton said after a private afternoon session focused on health and welfare spending.

Republicans said they could act within hours on big pieces of the budget such as school funding. The governor, who has sole authority to call a special session, repeated that he won’t do so without an overall budget agreement.

Senate Majority Leader Amy Koch said the Legislature is poised to return to the Capitol.

“Our members are ready to show up as soon as they need to,” said Koch, R-Buffalo.

Neither side would reveal whether a deal is within reach. They’ve met privately for the past five days under a secrecy pact as the state slides ever closer to its second government closure in six years.

A Ramsey County judge is expected to rule this week on how critical services would be handled in a shutdown.

In a related case, another judge on Tuesday ordered the state court system to stay open during a shutdown. Retired Judge Bruce Christopherson, who was appointed to handle the case, said a failure to fund courts would lead to “irreparable and inestimable” consequences.

“If the courts are not funded, the basic, essential constitutional rights of the public would fail,” he wrote.

Christopherson said a closed court system would make it difficult or impossible for police to hold people accused of violent crimes, to keep psychopathic sex offenders in secure treatment facilities, to grant and enforce restraining orders in domestic violence cases, and to remove children from unsafe home environments.

Dayton said he was “delighted” in the judge’s decision.

Talks broke off Tuesday so Dayton and top lawmakers could attend a memorial service for Sen. Linda Scheid, a longtime Democratic senator from Brooklyn Park who died earlier this month.

The day’s negotiating sessions focused on health and human services, the fastest-growing part of the budget and the spending area where the two sides disagree most sharply. The GOP-approved budget Dayton vetoed would have cut $1.6 billion from projected spending on those programs, while Dayton’s proposal would cut half that. The governor wants new tax revenue to soften the cuts to vulnerable groups including the disabled and poor.

The sticking points in the budget dispute have been over the level of spending in the two-year state budget that’s supposed to start on Friday, and how to pay for it. Republicans have insisted on spending no more than $34 billion, the amount the state is projected to collect in that period without new revenue sources. Dayton wants to add $1.8 billion, mostly from new income taxes on the highest earners.

“We don’t believe a shutdown is necessary,” Republican House Speaker Kurt Zellers said. “The budget we put together is the largest in state’s history. We can fund our priorities within there. If the priorities need to be adjusted so that everybody’s happy and everybody’s unhappy, we’re also willing to do that.”

Democratic Senate Minority Leader Tom Bakk wouldn’t make any predictions.

“I think it depends on people’s willingness tomorrow. And I don’t have an answer on that,” he said.

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  1. Sad says:

    Maybe he is sad that he is causing so many people stress because of his political games. Just a thought.

    1. mike says:

      Hold the line, Republicans. We Do Not want any new spending. Hold Governor Dayton’s feet to the fire.

    2. Robert Radke says:

      I think it is the other way ’round. It’s the right that believes they are the party of might,but are really only the party of no.

      1. Joe Hanson says:

        Don’t you just love those folks who never say NO to their children?

      2. Stacy says:

        You got that right. NO NEW TAXES

    3. Dayton sad? says:

      Don’t kid yourself, mark dayton likes toying with “little” people’s lives – it makes him feel important.

      It gets boring being mark dayton when the only job you have ever been successful at is waiting for the trust fund check to show up in the mail.

  2. Carl says:

    Maybe the MnGOP should stop destroying the middle class to protect the top 2%.

    1. Joe Hanson says:

      Carl, I got to ask – how is MnGOP destroying the middle class?

      1. StraycatStrut says:

        Don’t ask….. Carl cannot tell you…. and he’s moving to New York where the left live the life of low independence, government cradle to grave entitlements, Fed and State restrictions & control, huge debt never to be repaid, no 2nd amendment rights, no free speaech, and alternative marriages……. enough?

      2. Yep says:

        Taking tax cuts while at the same time not hiring new people like the tax cuts are supposed to do? That’s one example.

        1. Not One Penny says:

          The only Breakthrough we need is to break Dayton of his lust for taxes. Don’t give him a penny.

      3. JL says:

        carl, i like to know that too. arent the top 2% also include the Dayton family. Those Dems loves to throw that phrase around, The top 2%. when they raise taxes. they raises on everyone, everyone that is still working, and especially the middle class. even worst , the middle class that have small businesses. while , the daytons, the carlsons get their little exemptions.

      4. Kathy says:

        Hi Joe Hanson: Minnesota is abbreviated lwith two capital letters. Where have you been?

    2. Jesse says:

      Those people that the GOP are planing to put out of work on Friday are mostly middle class.

      1. Joe Hanson says:

        How is it that the GOP is putting people out of work?

        Governor Mark Dayton and the executive branch are the ones planning the shutdown and sending memos out to those they have deemed nonessential.

        1. Jesse says:

          The GOP are putting people out of work because they were unable to pass a workable budget. Now they are unwilling to negotiate in good faith.

          The GOP has been bought and paid for the greedy top 2%

          1. Joe Hanson says:

            Jesse, the people are working now with the current budget.

            The Legislature passed a budget for the next biennium that spends over $3 billion more.

            Why would the people be out of work if the State is spending more?

          2. Sam I am says:

            @Jesse your an idiot, the House and Senate passed a balanced budget last March and presented it to Dayton who promptly vetoed it because it did not raise taxes on the rich. The bill had 4 billion more dollars then the previous budget.

            If Dayton vetoed it, how do you think its the GOPs faullt. It falls squarely on Governor Dayton.

            He has an will shut the government down. It has been his plan all along.

            1. I would have accepted poop face. says:

              I love how political debate becomes a school yard name calling contest. It is OK to have ideas that are not the same as others. It is funny when people do not have the intellect to phrase their ideas adequately and have to resort to “you are an idiot” or “what a moron”. If this is all you came to a political blog to do, are you serving a purpose or purposely serving? It is better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Well the name calling has removed all doubt for you. Everyone should understand by the time that they reach 12 or 13 that name calling does not win the argument, just shows the maturity of the person doing so.

            2. JL says:

              No No NO, jesse isnt an idiot, hes a DEMOCRAT. OOoops. its the same thing. am i bad?

              1. Stupid is as stupid does says:

                If you have to ask the question…….. you know the answer. Thank you for trolling.

          3. KeepItReal says:

            The top 2% can’t elect anyone. 2% of the vote has never won any election. However unions, with may more % of the vote, have stolen elections from better candidates for 50 years.

        2. ejg says:

          the republicans are supposed to bring a budget to the governor to sign. They didn’t do that.

          1. Sam I am says:

            WRONG WRONG WRONG. The bill was presented to the Governor in March 2011 and he vetoed it. Check your facts before you speak.

            The problem is nobody is reporting about the budget he vetoed.

            1. Jim says:

              Sam, you need to stop calling people idiots, at least until you learn how to spell and how to construct a sentence in English. I’m embarrassed for you.

          2. Sam I am says:

            Here is the link. Dayton vetoed all 9 budgets that were presented to him.

            http://www.startribune.com/politics/blogs/122517519.html

        3. CHESTER says:

          WRONG I received a nasty gram from the gop to ALL state employees telling us that they will shut us down so the gop needs to get off their high horse and comprimize with the govenor!

      2. Kathy says:

        All people who will, or have lost their jobs are considered less than middle class. Ask any bank. They don’t lend money to people on unemployment.

    3. Robert Radke says:

      Amen!!!

    4. k1627 says:

      The top 2% has more more money than they will ever know what to do with. Look it up! More than 90% of the money in America is with the top 2%. THIS “IS” a fact and it affects all of you who seem to disagree with this post. You all have no idea. I have loads of information and you can get it too if you look. Since the 70’s that 2%’s income had more than tripled while the rest has gone up “ONLY” 2%.

      Without looking this up I could figure that out, or maybe you are not over 35 years old and did not see this. Look it up. Those that are making 20-60,000 in the 80’s in the same profession are making that still today. Yet food has more than doubles, gas has doubled, taxes have gone up…

      Corporations made more money and did not give raises and start a big hiring spree. They kept it or invested elsewhere. Look it up!

      Adults are moving in together because they cannot afford to live the “AMERICAN DREAM”.

      Our government does not want to do anything about it because when it comes to campaign time they need the big business money to support them. IT “IS” a conflict of interest to “WE THE PEOPLE”.

      These large corporations need us to buy their goods, yet it does not benefit us enough to stimulate our economy and then they send their jobs over seas so they don’t have to pay benefits and only pay 20 cents, yes 20 or less an hour for wages.

      LOOK IT UP.

      1. U Betcha says:

        True. Dayton knows this because he is in the top 2%

  3. Mike D says:

    Tax the rich, feed the poor, till there are no rich no more.

    1. k1627 says:

      Read my post above… You are not the rich and this “IS” affecting you!

    2. Kathy says:

      Rich is a relative term Mike D. I was born with a silver spoon, and it took years to escape the learned misbeliefs about my family and the world.

      The most miserable of people are wealthy. If they aren’t in therapy, they should be. The driving force behind the ambitious is an escape from self. Dysfunction comes from belief that isn’t based on reality. The breed is dehumanizing and the acts come from despair.

      Look at Governor Mark Daytons’ facila expressions. He carries something more honest than many of his means.

  4. kevin says:

    HI HO- hi-ho it’s off to work we go Well maybe not.

  5. JB says:

    Governor, I voted for you becuase you were the lessor of two evils. I also voted for many of the republicans that you are opposed to their policies for the same reason. So, your policitacal party created this mess with the extremist process that brings candidates forward for us to elect, so you as much as anyone owns this mess. I do not want games and accounting tricks like the last administration, but I expect you to hold the line on spending as well. zero percent budgeting is a way of life for most if not all minnesotans, I expect you to treat the states budget the same way I am forced to treat mine.

    1. Mark Too says:

      JR – Of all the posts that I’ve read on the topic, yours is by far the best. Well said.

    2. Agreed says:

      I’ll second that (or am I thirding it?). Anyway, yeah baby, right on.

    3. Reasonable says:

      The only problem with that logic is that the state budget is absolutely nothing like your home budget. Reducing everything to absurd simplicities is what is driving the nation into the ground in the political field. God forbid we allow intelligent people to debate complex issues…

      Having said that, this isn’t either party’s fault, this is our fault as the voters in the state. We put in two groups that are ideologically opposed to each other. In doing so we’ve basically made this bed and now we must lay in it.

      Gov. Dayton has already compromised on more cuts than he originally wanted, why the (R)’s in the house and senate can’t also compromise shows political gamesmanship and that isn’t solving anything…

      1. Mark Too says:

        True, the state budget is nothing like my home budget.

        However, the concept of not spending money you don’t have is applicable in both cases. If the revenue shrinks, so should the spending. Any budget that refuses to pull back on spending when revenue falls, is a budget that will sooner or later incur debt.

        I believe I’m on firm ground when I say any reasonable person would agree that our country has seen a bit too much debt as of late.

        1. Mike says:

          Mark Too
          You explain the political conundrum, but like the solution Republicans offer, it really is the catalyst for the problems we now face. Republicans have cut taxes significantly to create jobs, but they have not appeared. Republicans continue the mantra, “cut taxes and we will see jobs”, then why don’t we have full employment? Taxes in the Federal government are back to what they were in the 50’s, but it has done nothing positive in terms of employment. Now as a nation we are faced with sacrificing our social safety nets that we paid into because the upper one per cent of income needs more to create jobs? Our Minnesota legislatures are not willing to include the upper 2% to help pay for needed expenditures and don’t appear willing to compromise with anything that has always worked in the past. Cutting taxes is doing nothing, but making people more wealthy at the expense of the middle class. It is voodoo economics at it’s worst.

        2. k1627 says:

          Read my reply above. YES! Tax the rich, it is about time! THEY DO NOT GIVE BACK TO THE PEOPLE! Read my post above. Everyone is so quick to speal before they have the FACTS.

          I am sure none of you are “RICH”. The top 2% of the rich hold more than 90% of America’s money. Get it from them! They do not give raises. They cut healthcare. They send jobs overseas for people that will work for “even” lower wages.

          LOOK IT UP! THIS IS A FACT!

        3. Wilber says:

          Mark Too,
          Like the income the state has lost due to tax breaks to the rich and a poor economy not bringing in larger volumes of tax dollars, say you are laid off from your job and only have the part-time income from your wife. Obviously not going to cover the credit cards or family food.

          Do you still support a “cuts only” solution???

          Your wife would have your butt out on the street looking for work and more income. Sure cuts will be required, but income is also required.

          Sound like a familiar story?

      2. What??? says:

        Reasonable
        Thank you the 1st statement that I have agreed with in a long time. People seem to forget that the people in office are because of the people of the state. When the GOPers were vote in it was because of the spending cuts they talked about. When Dayton was voted in it was on a new tax policy. This is not new info yet there are a lot of people throwing fits like this was just said to them yesterday. Little children fighting over the ball at recess and calling each other names, this is what politics has come down to, very sad indeed.

    4. Astonished_by_your_beliefs says:

      If your family had the same crises that the state has, you would not be able to do zero percent budgeting. You would look for more income. A second job. A loan. Help from others – charities, community fundraising which is basically having others with more contribute to help you out. And if you were very lucky, maybe you have a rich friend or family member who could just give you a handout I cringe every time I hear people claim all one needs to do is to spend less. I think those people aren’t in touch with reality or are very, very lucky to have such a good life. There are too many who are losing homes, don’t have enough money to feed their children, etc. And the state has a bigger purpose than an individual family – they need to be there to help people out during a crisis.

    5. KeepItReal says:

      JB, zero percent budgeting won’t do this time. We have a 20% short fall and need to cut 20% of the spending. It’s that simple.

  6. kevin says:

    JB, I agreewith you. Most private bisnesses either heeld the line on spending and cut wages to stay in bisness. If the state cannot live with a 6% raise in spending then there is no amount of money that will satisfy the liberals pushing for a 15% increase in spending. Two years from now The spending increase with be compounded.JB, I don’t care that much but I will beat the libs. that are going to go after you for miss spelling a few words.

    1. my2cents says:

      the problem is that there is a huge difference between macro and micro economics.. The micro economic practices you use in your business will not work in government. They tried this back in the 20’s and 30’s and this got us into the great depression. You actually don’t want the government to be at a 0 on their balance sheet.. they need surplus and they also need deficits. Some where along it will balance it self out… Government have to counter act the sharp swings in the economy that are driven by our market based society. When our economy is good they spend less.. when our economy is bad they spend more .. So while your post is very good, I have to respectfully disagree

      Spending is also driven by aggregate demand so to think you can apply a magical percentage every year is not right. Its a snap shot in time based on how we are doing as a whole. Some years you will spend more.. some years you will spend less.. However , you still have to account for inflation so if you chart it out you will see hat spending on a sate level has been increasing every year for decades. Very interesting time we are in right now.. Stuck in limbo for the last 10 years give or take..

      1. TEA says:

        2 cents? That is all it’s worth. The micro creates the macro. IF government has proven one thing to the people, it is they spend every nickle they get and then some. No more. No more No more

        1. my2cents says:

          And every thing I said went way above and beyond you.. Keep sipping that tea!

      2. IWonderIF says:

        very well said. Sad that most people here have no clue as to what you are talking about.. The buzz words are ” stop spending” and they have no idea as to what that means…

  7. PJD says:

    If anything comes out of this i hope it is that the tax rates for the Upper upper class be more level with the more hardworking class instead of less. Why sould the worker pay a higher percentage in tax then the one he works for?

    1. Tax the poor says:

      If anything comes of this I hope they tax the poor so they can pay their “fair share”.

      Why should the bottom almost 50% get by paying nothing while they suck the welfare system dry?

      One way to get rid of poverty in this state would be to tax the poor at a high enough level to make moving away an attractive option

      1. PJD says:

        Ahh the King has spoken!🙂

        1. The King? says:

          I never claimed to be 0bama, just a guy that is sick of the ever expanding loser-welfare class and their entitlement mindset.

          1. Darby says:

            Please show me a proposal in the GOP budget that lowers qualifications and monies paid to those who can work. The assumption I am making is from your comment I would think you support the GOP.

            1. current GOP is DFL-lite says:

              The current “free spending” GOP hasn’t made any meaningful spending cuts to welfare or anything else; that is how we ended up with a $34 billion joke of a budget.

              The current GOP is simply DFL-lite, still slightly to the right of dayton but tats not saying much.

      2. TMH says:

        I am unemployed. I have a family. I am doing all I can to stay above water. What bugs me about much said here in these comments is that many believe that those who are in need are abusing their tax money.I am not on any aid for anything, not from the state or unemployment not nothing. And yet I still must pay my taxes. I think the extreme right are loud mouth iggnorant fools pumping a political adgenda that is mean and cold. I suppirt Dayton for that reason alone. Quit the smear against the middle and lower class please.

        1. TMH says:

          Next I will get a reply about how I miss spelled by those who do not agree with me. Add personal atacks about what Dayton looks like. Sure, go ahead. Fools. I cannot wait for election day. The GOP extream right will be wiped out.

          1. ha ha says:

            its misspelled

            1. TMH says:

              wow, could not even spell that.Okay, fine.

        2. Wise up says:

          TMH- I worked 30 and now am too sick to work. I have no job and lost my home. I do not receive any assistance. I also have an able bodied family member with 2 kids on every give away program there is.My neighbor has a new kid everytime she gets a new boyfriend. You can barely take care of your family,but your tax money goes to taking care of these freeloaders. You are the ignorant one.

          1. Darby says:

            @ wise up
            Again, where in the GOP plan is there anything remotely curbing what you complain of. There is nothing. That is the problem the people can not see or act on. They just whine.

            1. Wise up says:

              Darby, there is nothing in the GOP plan to curb welfare. In my opinion time was wasted on the marriage debate.

      3. Kevin says:

        BRILLIANT! If you give it they will come! And come they have! Its time stop the MN State Welfare Lottery! Its ok the tax the rich more! But my God shrink the welfare roles! If you can not afford college, DONT GO! If you cant afford day care for your babies, DONT HAVE THEM! If you have a MN EBT card, DONT USE IT IN THE CAYMAN ISLANDS! Your country is a garbage hole, STAY THERE AND FIX IT! LIve in MN and do not speak english, GET OUT OF MY STATE! The list goes on…..and on…..and on…….Dayton is a moron……as are all polititians……..

        1. DARREN says:

          Amen Kevin, Couldn’t have said it better myself.

      4. TiredOfHandoutstoWealthy says:

        The rich and the Republicans have really done a good job with their spin when people believe the poor are the problem. We are so interrelated. The poor exist because we allow businesses to pay minimum wage and no health or pension benefits to their workers while they pay their execs and mangers big bucks. And the taxpayers pick up the bill for the care of their workers.

        Certainly you can find people at the lowest level scamming the system. But that is also found at all income levels. Such as Maddox and the others that wrecked our financial system. Those small business people who take the receipts from your lunch or dinner so they can “write it off on their taxes” even though you know the gathering had nothing to do with their business. Consider the person who bought one of those obnoxiously large suburban houses for a family of 3 or 4. They end up usually a larger share of our resources to heat and air conditioni that house as well as driving long distances to and from work, putting greater stress on our highways and using greater amounts of gas. Do we charge them extra for this? No. We let them write off bigger mortgage interest payments on their tax forms. I am sure we can find many examples of people from all financial levels who take more from our system than they give. I am also sure that the poor would love to have one of those jobs that pay enough so that they could contribute taxes.

        1. Maddox who? says:

          Hey rich people. Stop breathing my air.

      5. k1627 says:

        NO ONE GETS TO SUCK FROM WELFARE ANYMORE! YOU MUST WORK AND PROVE IT!!

        READ MY POST. YOU ARE BY FAR NOT RICH AND THE MONEY IS ALL WITH THE TOP 2% OF THE RICH, NOT 50%! NO THEY SHOULD NOT TAX THE MIDDLE CLASS ANYMORE THAN THEY ALREADY DO.

        THE RICH OWN CORPORATIONS. THESE LARGE CORPORATIONS HAVE NOT GIVEN OUT A DECENT RAISE TO ANYONE SINCE BEFORE THE 70’S AND I HAVE READ EVEN THE 60’S. WHAT DO THEY DO WITH THEIR PROFITS DURING THOSE TIMES WE SPEND, SPEND, SPEND? THEY INVEST FOR THEMSELVES. THEY DO NOT GIVE GOOD BENEFITS. THEY DO NOT GIVE RAISES.

        HOW MANY PEOPLE ON HERE CAN SAY THEY HAVE “EXCELLENT” HEALTH BENEFITS AND HAVE A HAD A DECENT RAISE?

        HAS YOUR RAISE TRIPLED SINCE THE 70’S? YOUR BENEFITS? WELL, THE TOP 2% EARNERS IN THIS COUNTRIES HAS. IT HAS “NOT” TRICKLED DOWN AS THEY SAY IT SUPPOSED TO.

        IF YOU ARE MAKING UNDER 100, 000 IT IS ABOUT THE SAME THEY WERE MAKING IN THE 80’S FOR WHAT YOU DO TODAY. GAS, FOOD, UTILITIES EVERYTHING, HAS GONE UP TRIPLE, YET INCOMES HAVEN’T.

        THEY SHOULD BE TAXING THE TOP 2%! IT IS ALL GREED! READ IT. THE “FACTS” ARE OUT THERE!

    2. @PJD says:

      Uh, because without that guy you wouldn’t have a job. If you want to start your own company, staff it, provide it with health insurance, workers comp., 401K, liability insurance, and follow all the “rules”–make sure you can stomach the risk. And you might just want to take a looky at his tax return before you say that you’re paying more.

      1. PJD says:

        I would hope that if i make more i would pay more it is only fair, but fair is common sence and that don’t apply to anything anymore..
        and Uh i’m not an idoit i know he is paying more, his total taxes are proably more then i make a year i just think the percentage should be the same.

        1. @PJD says:

          Agreed–I like flat tax

          1. PJD says:

            I guess i should have said that in the first place!

      2. k1627 says:

        GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT. HAVE YOU EVER SEEN THE EPISODE ON CHEERS WHERE REBECCAS BOYFRIEND BETS SAM HIS YEARLY SALARY ON SOME GAME THEY ARE PLAYING? WELL, THAT “IS” CORRECT. THEY WRITE OFF ENOUGH THAT THEY DO NOT HURT IN THE LEAST BIT. OUR GOVERNMENT HAS LESS LAWS FOR THEM THEY THEY DO YOU AND I!

        MAYBE YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE NUMBERS BEFORE YOU POST. LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGES OF CORPORATIONS, MID AND SMALL COMPANIES THAT NO LONGER HAVE “ANY” BENEFITS. I DO NOT EVEN HAVE TO LOOK TO SEE HOW MANY WON’T MATCH A 401K ANYMORE.

        WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU HAD A NICE RAISE FOR DOING SUCH A GREAT JOB? THE RICH THAT WE CONSUMERS SUPPORT ARE NOT USING THE “TRICKLE DOWN” AFFECT. GOOGLE IT!

        I CAN PROMISE YOU THIS IS NOT OVER YET. AMERICA IS SINKING BECAUSE OF THE RICH. IF IT DOESN’T CHANGE WE ALL FALL DOWN!

        FUNNY, YOU WOULD STATE, “BECAUSE OF THAT GUY YOU WOULDN’T HAVE A JOB”.~ OUR GOVERNMENT CANNOT EVEN COUNT THE UNEMPLOYED NOW BECAUSE THE MAJORITY RAN OUT OF UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS! I CAN NAME 10 PEOPLE OFF OF THE TOP OF MY HEAD IN THAT POSITION RIGHT NOW AND SO THAT YOU WON’T REPLY WITH SOME SNIDE COMMENT, THEY ARE ALL WALKS, NOT RELATED, AND SOME HAD JOBS OR COMPANIES MAKING MAYBE MORE THAN YOU.

        BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU ASK FOR, YOU MAY BE NEXT WALKING THE STREETS… IT IS STILL NOT A STABLE ECONOMY.

    3. Chris says:

      @ PJD…

      Take a look at Dayton’s tax return and that will tell the whole story on why those stats stack up that way…

      A billionaire with lots of accountants and lawyers to “legally” avoid (vs evade)paying taxes!!!

      It is the loopholes by design that allow them to slide so much past the tax regs…

      Which results in Dayton claiming less than $170K in income and paying a much reduced net rate… No mystery here regarding the biggest hypocrite in MN!

  8. CACHE says:

    Wow are people this stupid that they defend this dipsomaniac crazy governor. We need to cut spending and this crazy fool wants $6 Billion more????? All could be avoided if we froze the last budget and stop stealing from taxpayers to give to the juiced in and the freebies sloth crowd. This bum is the solitary dam in getting a budget done the Legislature turned a balance one in that was $4 Billion over the last one. One cannot deal with the an arrogant ignorant crazy man! What is dipso doing he is locking in a free stadium for the viqueens an trying to prove how tough he is…and not get another ‘F’…..too late he has flunked governor 101, already. Time for him to quit (dipso’s over his head) and take the job he’s really qualified for …dog walker!

    1. independent says:

      Where do you get $6 billion? It is $1.8.

      1. Earl says:

        If it is repeated enough times they think it is fact. Spread the same garbage multiple times over months and it becomes fertile.

        1. Slim says:

          Sure Earl, but who / what do you have a problem with?

          1. Earl says:

            Independent asked about the 6 million dollar figure. It is continued on and on by some people.

      2. CACHE says:

        Selective thinking/speaking/reading for sure by nutso liberals. We have a short fall of $5-6 Billion…New spending by our corrupt politicians 1). The last budget was $30 BILLION 2). The legislature came in with a balanced NEW budget at $34 BILLION 3). The crazy (and he is insane) Dipso Dayto wants $36 BILLION or $6 BILLION in NEW Revenue (taxes) 4) A difference of about $2 ($1.8) BILLION.
        Get a brain…get job and stop advocating stealing of taxpayers money to give to those who live off of us free – welfare kings and queens both corporate and private. Entitlement spending is taking us down the drain by living in La La Land…stealing from paul to give to pedro is totally wrong in every way…I don’t owe anyone and I am not on the hook to bail out idiots who make bad or thieving decisions like 4 or more kids and being unmarried just to get money for food, housing and goodies on my back…you want to help them go ahead but don’t steal from me and expect me to say “Ah shucks..go ahead steal my all (treasure and fruits of MY labor) and Give it to bums”.

        1. Mike says:

          CACHE
          The mantra of greed. In it for themselves, at the expense of everyone else.
          I hope your not really expecting to us to believe you earned every nickel you have by YOURSELF.
          That silver spoon hanging out your derriere isn’t the only tail your sporting……..

          1. CACHE says:

            Every penny jerk wad… I have been working since I was 8 years old truck farms, bailing hay gas station attendant, military, etc etc….greedy is idiots like you who think someone owes you and others a living because others have earned more than them. Government is spending MY money on things They want…It’s not their money…it’s Mine. This will fall on idiot ears ..but I don’t give a dam about you…work or you don’t eat period… The derriere is you!

            1. Darren says:

              Thank you for your service and I agree totally.

              1. Cache says:

                Whoops…my mistake …I assumed wrongly you had an IQ over 68…

                1. Cache says:

                  Sorry Darren this was ment for Darby!

        2. Darby says:

          Again, another whiner about the free loaders. What in the GOP plan is there to curb this. Nothing. The people you appear to support did not do anything to that budget or program. Is that selective reading of the budget proposal on your part?

          1. Cache says:

            Your bent attitude about whining, WHINING about FREE LOADERS tells the tale. It is not whining Jerk wad No. 2. You assume I’m a Republican…I’m not….I don’t give a dam about the rich. I care about the individual. it is mob rule to steal from one citizen to give to another it is legalized plunder and greed tis to redistribute wealth. It does not matter that you get congressman/governor to steal for you…you are still a thief! We cooperate in this republic …we are a nation of individuals. We are not family. If you condone stealing from one to give to another your moral compass is broken and you are lost. I work for me and mine I do not work for you or anyone else.

            1. Darby says:

              It is whining as you do nothing but run your mouth and do nothing. I am sure you can come with more creative name calling since you can’t do much else. The rest of your comment is not worth the cyberspace.

              1. Cache says:

                Whoops…my mistake …I assumed wrongly you had an IQ over 68…

    2. IWonderIF says:

      Education is a great thing my friend.

    3. CHESTER says:

      it was balancing on the backs of state employees and that is not fair to us state employee’s

  9. anti tea party says:

    Typical tea party campaign speech – nothing but a bunch of rock throwing and name calling with no substance or solutions whatsoever.

    1. Henny says:

      You just won’t listen to the solution. NO NEW TAXES, SPEND WITHIN YOUR MEANS, CUT WASTE AND FRAUD, STOP GIVING HANDOUTS TO NON CITIZENS, STOP GIVING AID TO CITIES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, AND ABOVE ALL HOLD THE LINE ON STATE WORKER HIRINGS, WAGES, RETIREMENT BENEFITS, HEALTHCARE, AND ANY OTHER BENNY THAT IS NOT EQUAL TO PRIVATE SECTOR AVERAGE.

      1. Jerome says:

        @ Henty
        What you said is all well in nice, where is it in the GOP proposals? Other than legislators, any clue how many state workers got raises? Any clue to how their pay is to similar jobs.? Any clue as to the trend in the number of state workers?
        Can’t call it rock throwing as your rant has no substance.

  10. Anita says:

    What did they do the first 3-4 weeks of session? Nothing! They spent the time getting to know each other as so many were new! They should have had that “Social Gathering” before session started. They were heading for this back then and now they are looking at who to blame. We all are being punished for a few not getting their work done. These talks should have started day one of the session, not now. Be responsible!

  11. KennyG says:

    On this budget shutdown showdown, let’s remember a few things….

    First, we knew this was coming. We’ve known for 2 years. Ever since Pawlenty signed his last budget we’ve known this next cycle would be at a deficit of around $6B. Pawlenty didn’t raise revenue (taxes, fees or whatever you want to call them), he reduced government employee rolls, he delayed payments to cities and schools, and raided funds (those “accounting shifts”) that were set aside for specific purposes to balance the budget we currently have.

    That is fact.

    The deficit is what it is due to the programs and aid that we have in the laws that will cost more – and will have more people using them – in the next 2 years due to population growth and delayed obligations left over from Pawlenty’s last budget.

    That is fact.

    About 75% of the budget is dedicated to education (aid/funding to colleges and school districts) and human services – health care/aid to the poor (Medicaid, MinnesotaCare, nursing homes, programs for the poor, etc). These areas are really the only two areas where there is room to cut or otherwise reduce government spending to have any meaningful impact on the overall budget.

    That is fact.

    Dayton’s original budget plan called for raising taxes on the wealthiest 2% of Minnesotans to cover the projected deficit. Dayton has said he would back down from his “tax the rich” only plan and agree to a plan that included some cuts to government services and aid as well as some tax/fee increases.

    That is fact.

    The GOP’s original budget of $34B included cuts to education and human services with no increase in revenue. The GOP has steadfastly maintained that they will not agree to any plan that includes tax/fee increases of any kind.

    That is fact

    Dayton has proposed a new budget implementing some cuts and some increases in taxes/fees totaling around $36B. The GOP has refused to revise their original $34B budget or agree to any of Dayton’s proposals.

    That is fact.

    Now, less than a week before the constitutionally-required shutdown, the two sides are finally talking (but is anything new being agreed-upon by them?). And that, in a nutshell, is why were are where we are today.

    1. Charlie says:

      Kenny G:

      Lots of fiction with little fact to go with it…

      Did you see Earl’s message, must have been referring to you…

      1. Earl says:

        @ Charlie. Just because you lack the means to check Keny’s facts. What he posts is true.

    2. Not really facts says:

      KennyG, here are some more facts.

      2010-2011 budget

      Education $13,312,526
      Human Services $8,575,672

      Legislature 2012-2103 budget rejected by Governor Dayton

      Education $14,321,912
      Human Services $12,337,837

      There are NO CUTS to education and human services. Also notice the human services budget increased a whooping 44%.

      BTW, education and human services account for 68% of the budget proposed by the legislature not 75%. Maybe you need a little fact checking.

      This if fact.

      The budget numbers come from the Office of Budget Management.

      1. KennyG2 says:

        Funny, those numbers are in MILLIONS and not BILLIONS, which is what we’re talking about here.

        DHS’s overall budget for this cycle is actually $23.5B (includes all funds).

        See: http://www.mmb.state.mn.us/doc/budget/narratives/gov11/human-svcs.pdf

        Education’s is about $7.2B

        See: http://www.mmb.state.mn.us/doc/budget/narratives/gov11/education.pdf

        1. Not really facts says:

          Sorry didn’t add the extra 3 zeros. But you knew I meant billions. The $23.5B includes federal money only the state portion is relevant.

          Here is where I got my information:

          http://www.mmb.state.mn.us/doc/fu/11/complete-feb11.pdf

    3. IWonderIF says:

      Zero argument here on these facts!

  12. kevin says:

    TMH, you and your family are the why welfare was setup. It’s the ones that use it for there source of income with no intensions of ever getting off it. The illeagles, the ones that hve multple children to use them as apay raise the fathers of these children that do not support them etc.
    Can someone explain to me what happened to the law that was passed in this state a number of years ago that basicly stated you would be allowed five years on welfare then no longer be elligble. If it is still law why is it not being inforced? And yes TMH I am a republican fighting for a more thrifty run govenment.

    1. PJD says:

      I think it is called loophole’s?🙂

      1. PJD says:

        And don’t think i’m defending them just telling you Loophole’s work for so many things. both rich and poor people use them.

    2. SO SAD says:

      Government workers hard at work!!!

    3. TMH says:

      Thank you Kevin for the great reply. It did not contain words that say I am a worthless mooch looking for a handout while leeching on other peoples hard working dollar as so many would say here. I get no assistance whatsoever and work hard at odd horrible jobs to make ends meet. I am just sick and tired of the extream right who claim we are all worthless. Those who yell at those who are not in their pretty boat afloat with umbrillas in their drinks like to shout about how ALL those under them are stealing from them need to see where they are headed. I know there are many many more like me who will show up on election day.

    4. Kathy says:

      SOUNDS LIKE YOU’RE ON A WITCH HUNT, KEVIN

  13. JOHN says:

    If one takes time to watch whats happening in greece which is the role modle for the the US and Minnesota as to what will happen here about taxes and tahe unions we are not far behind to civil unrest and something worse.

  14. Bill says:

    Raising taxes on anyone, no matter what their income level is, in a continuing economic recession that is now 4 years old and going on in to a 5th year, is a stupid foolish idea and truly a half-witted move that only Mark Dayton could conjure up. Way to go ex-Senator Dayton! Hopefully soon, to be ex-Governor Dayton!

    1. Rod Blagojevich (D-prison) says:

      ex-Governor Dayton will work but “Federal Inmate # 15362MN11” would be more fun.

      1. Jim says:

        I guess you prefer the Bush economic plan, which is lower taxes + higher spending = national budget in the toilet. Or maybe the Pawlenty plan, which is lower taxes + higher spending + increased fees on everything = a $5 billion budget hole. Naw, I think I’m going to give Gov. Dayton a chance to pull the state out of the Republican Recession. Maybe he’s wrong, but we already know the GOP plan is a failure. My memory isn’t that short.

  15. Earl says:

    Ever hear of “Living within your means?”

  16. citizen says:

    The commentary reflected here is probably a mirror image of how our elected representatives go about their business representing the people of Minnesota. I had always hoped they/we were above that. We are destined to repeat the mistakes of our past as long as the vocal minority extremists on both sides continue with their hardcore ideas. I would hope there are more people in the “middle” with common sense that do know the meaning of the word comprimise and expound truthful solutions to the problems we face.

    1. PJD says:

      Common sense dosn’t mean anything in politics anymore.
      i’m not argueing with you just pointing out a fact.

    2. non-citizen says:

      Now, that sounds like the retired, independent(I) (with a liberal slant), good neighbor of a guy I was thinking you were. Nope, no need to respond. Let’s just keep it at that.

      1. Citizen says:

        @non-citizen. Different “citizen” with a small “C.” Not me who is Citizen with a capital letter. I’m not participating in this discussion because it has been done to death and no one is listening anyway.

  17. Paulie says:

    About Fricken time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  18. In the know says:

    Interesting that both sides want their budget discussions to be “private.” This is public money being spent by publicly elected representatives but they don’t want the public to know what they’re talking about even though they don’t know what they’re talking about. That about sum it up?

    Ya gotta ask yourselves: Why do we keep reelecting these dimwits?

    Next, notice how all the comments here are about how we waste money in this state and how we should or shouldn’t cut this or expand that, etc. That’s all well and good. It’s a huge problem, isn’t it? And the deficit is enormous, isn’t it?

    Of course it is. So what should we do to correct all this? Spend our money to build a new playground for Zygi Wilff, that’s what we should do! Makes a lot of sense, doesn’t it? And that’s what Dayton and the boys are talking about.

    1. Alan says:

      In regards to electing dimwits. Pawlenty was reelected by the people of this state with the mantra of no new taxes. No improvement of service, no economizing of services. Just the mantra. It begs the question, who are the dimwits.

      1. Not That Dumb says:

        He was never elected by majority, only plurality. If both races he won had not been three way races, TPaw would have never served as MN Gov.

        A plus in the instant run-off column?

  19. Anita Tellsomeone says:

    The look on his face make me think that something very bad happened during his “walk” in the pride parade on Sunday and he needs to tell someone about it.

  20. The REAL Tea has the ANSWER! says:

    Fact, fiction, or typical BS….the bottom line is how do we fix this?

    I had a thought….How many people owe the State of MN taxes? And how much?

    Let’s forget party lines…income…and all other BS…..

    I have an idea…..Let’s get the people that owe taxes to the State of MN to PAY THEM!!!! BOTTOM LINE!!! Work on a Federal Level to garnish wages! If you don’t like it you can LEAVE the US!!!! But if you owe taxes…..the state (and Fed for that matter) can start taking it out of your check…..if you are not working…you do NOT get welfare, unemployment, or ANY OTHER assistance!!!

    DONE!!!!

    If you do NOT pay the taxes you have…you do NOT deserve to be here!

    Who CARES about income….or political sides….

    Let’s get the people who OWE taxes to pay them….BOTTOM LINE!!!

    Does anyone have a figure on what that amount would be? I do not want to quote a number I can’t back….

    Why raise taxes on the people who PAY THEIR TAXES!!!!!

    Time for the people who PAY their taxes to be rewarded for that by NOT raising their taxes…

    Just like credit! People that pay their bills should get a BETTER rate than the people that do not! WHY SHOULD THIS be ANY different with taxes!!!

  21. Still ANGRY! says:

    I’m sorry the more I think of this the more it angers me!!!

    People that have owe the Fed or State back taxes NEED to have their wages garnished!

    My taxes go to Defense….Education…Plowing of the Streets, our Fire Departments and Police Departments….

    I will not hide behind anything…I am more right than left….but I understand paying taxes is like “rent” to live in the US. I am NOT opposed to paying SOME taxes!!!

    I am opposed to paying OTHER PEOPLES taxes, or paying for others peoples services they receive for living in the US!!!

    And ALL of you SHOULD agree!

    We NEED welfare reform….we need govt pay reform, we need to build a state run casino or QUIT giving the Indians tax breaks on the casinos, but most of all…

    WE NEED THE PEOPLE WHO OWE BACK TAXES TO PAY THEM, with STIFF penalties for those who do NOT! BOTTOM LINE!!!

    PLEASE start this idea! Let’s get the people who OWE YOU AND ME who PAY OUR TAXES to PAY US BACK in this “Time of need”. We have paid your way for a long time….time to PAY UP!!!!

    Let’s get people to BACK this idea!!!!!

  22. Vince says:

    The state is vicious about back taxes, I know. The feds are pretty mellow about pay back.

  23. kevin says:

    Still Angry, Basicly that what I said last week. I offered a compromise , raise the 1.8 billion tax that Dayton wants and put that money into an effective fraud dept. Let them clean house of tax frauds, welfare scammers, illeagles etc. Secondly, we need to put all the state inmates on the same heathcare plan that state medicaid users get. Why are they entitled to full healthcare coverage when they are doing nothing socialy to help this state out and costing approx $60,000.00 the house.

    1. PAY UP Sukka says:

      Good idea Kevin…..

      I just have no idea why we are arguing about the top 2%, or where the money should go, when there are people in this state who owe the state money!

      Good ol’ Prezz Obama thinks he has all these great ideas on Financial reform (I am in the Finance Industry….) and has all of these sweeping changes going on….but the bottom line is I think we need to get people who owe money to pay up on their taxes PRIOR to any “financial” changes!

      The darn Fed’s and State Govt can’t even figure out how to collect on their OWN debt! Funny who they are telling OTHER people how to do business….

      I am emailing everyone I can on these ideas…..let’s get the ball rolling!

  24. tom says:

    We cannot believe in any way shape or form that health care cost are going to go down. The population of seniors and older Minnesotans are increasing as that generation gets older. We must care for our aging population.

  25. Bill says:

    I believe 100% if these people that we elect cannot do the job we hired them to do. Then like any other job VOTE THEM OUT NEXT ELECTION

  26. bill says:

    VOTE THEM OUT NEXT ELECTION!!

  27. Bill says:

    vote them out next elections!!!!!

  28. karen says:

    VOTE THEM OUT!!

  29. TMH says:

    I agree, vote them ALL out

  30. ejg says:

    don’t use the term “crying Indian”

  31. Jack Anderson says:

    I find it interesting that the comments on here seem to get better founded, more articulate , and less emotional before and after regular working hours. Does make me wonder who has the time to comment and when?

    1. Glen says:

      What are you reading? Some of the midday ones appear to have a little more thought and facts. The emotional, name calling, ranting and otherwise gibberish knows no time boundaries here.

    2. @ Jack says:

      Jack Anderson–you need to run for President. You are officially the only voice of reason and obviously the only one that has taken a moment, absorbed the insanity, and eloquently stated…that MN is nuts. This population can drive a person to drink.

  32. Jason says:

    No new taxes.Live within your means. My family does.

  33. DARREN says:

    My problem is, I just dont’ know whom to believe anymore. All of these facts from all of these different sources. I just don’t know whom is telling the truth anymore. And no wonder why there are so many arguments over this subject.

    But I do agree, NO NEW TAXES on anyway.

  34. Monkey says:

    Only things you’re ashamed of get done in secret

  35. JL says:

    isnt he the same fool that said, during his campaign, that a govt shutdown will not happen on his shift? the same fool that skidaddle out the backdoor of the capital,2 days ago, cause he was too scare to talk to the press. wasnt he the same fool that left DC, unexpectly, when he was our senator (2006), during the time when some of our congressman was recieving envelope of white powder, just wasnt him. because…quote” i didnt wanted to die in washington”. we got exactly what we deserved, a wiener for a leader. lets vote more Dems in. lets really destroy MN, like the Dems r destroying this country at the fed level.

  36. JL says:

    sure.. he might tax the top 2%, but i bet he’ll exempt his own family & himself from it. he better be a 1 term gov. thats all i have to say

  37. Norge says:

    “The governor wants new tax revenue to soften the cuts to vulnerable groups including the disabled and poor.” Another ‘Cco puff piece trying to tug our little heart strings for poor ‘ol drunk n stoned…I mean Dayton. Not one penny of new taxes, and the Pub who votes for it will be re-called….gaurenteed!! Slash spending…period. And Dayton isn’t softening cuts to the poor, he is trying to get a pay-raise to the union-goons who over-see the programs….it has nothing to do with the poor and vulerable and everything to do with union-goo protectionism.

  38. bARRLY666 says:

    YOU IDIOTS IN MINNESOTA VOTED FOR DAYTON, NOW YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT! HAHA

  39. laura says:

    Both sides fight, name pick, and blame each other more than young children do. I say neither side deserves to keep their jobs, If I didn’t do my job i can guarantee that I would be getting a pink slip. They need to stop the blame game and start to work together, maybe they should think about the people who elected them into office and how it will affect these people’s lives instead of trying to blame each other about why a deal hasn’t been reached yet.

  40. adam says:

    If the republicans and democrats can’t figure out a budget by thursday, they should all be fired!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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