MN Judge Limits Services To Stay Open In Shutdown

ST. PAUL (WCCO/AP) — The number of services that will stay open if a government shutdown occurs will be limited, according to a Minnesota judge.

Ramsey County Chief Judge Kathleen Gearin ruled the following as core or essential government services — in accordance with Gov. Mark Dayton’s determination — and therefore, those functions that would continue to be funded if there’s a shutdown:

— Basic custodial care for residents of state facilities, such as treatment centers, nursing homes, veterans homes and other state-operated services
— Public safety and public health concerns
— Preserving the essential elements of the financial system
— Benefit payments and medical services to individuals
— Necessary administrative and supportive services, such as internet security

The criteria used to determine this list of essentials included whether they were services that provided national security, services that provided benefit payments in contractual obligations and activities essential to protecting life and property.

Click here to view the complete list and executive findings. To see a list of the agencies that were recommended to close, click here.

The ruling from Judge Gearin came as Dayton and top Republicans were sequestered in the governor’s office less than 40 hours before a government shutdown would start. Gearin largely adopted Dayton’s vision of what would count as critical state services in a shutdown, rejecting a more expansive list proposed by Attorney General Lori Swanson.

She said the state’s core functions were “far less in number and breadth” than Swanson’s interpretation. Gearin ruled that some programs, such as horse racing and child care aid programs not directly tied into the federal welfare system, were important but didn’t rise to the level of critical services. She acknowledged that those programs would suffer harm from a shutdown but said her authority was limited by the constitutional separation of powers.

“Neither the good services nor the fact that they may cease to exist without state funding is sufficient cause to deem their funding to be a critical core function of government and to overcome the constitutional mandate in Article XI,” she wrote, referring to nonprofit organizations that weighed in on the case.

She ordered the state to keep paying for critical services, amending Dayton’s list to her ruling with slight adjustments.

Gearin also named former Supreme Court Chief Justice Kathleen Blatz as a referee to rule on unclear areas of funding in a shutdown.

Dayton and lawmakers have been in secretive negotiations for nearly a week with no breakthrough. Dayton said a day earlier that Wednesday would be a critical day if they are to prevent a government shutdown. He has also ruled out calling a special session until he and the Republicans agree on the overall budget.

Republicans are pressing him to call them into special session to pass some parts of the budget and measures to prevent a shutdown.

The disagreement has brought Minnesota to the brink of its second government shutdown in six years. Gearin’s ruling made clear that a government closure would be far more extensive than a partial shutdown in 2005.

“This is going to be a tough shutdown, and people will notice,” said David Lillehaug, Dayton’s attorney in the shutdown case. “Anyone who says that government doesn’t do anything and doesn’t do it well, upon reading this order … they’re going to realize they’re very, very wrong.”

The shutdown wouldn’t affect things like police, state troopers, prisons, public health or disaster management. But citizens would see it in many other ways, such as closed state parks and rest stops, idled road construction projects, and closed state licensing offices. More than 40 state boards and agencies that carry out a variety of functions would go dark.

Minnesota is caught between a tax-the-rich governor and a live-within-our-means Legislature. The budget dispute dates to January, when Dayton became the state’s first Democratic governor in 20 years and Republicans took over the Legislature for the first time in 38 years.

Republicans swept to power campaigning against tax and spending increases, while Dayton won on a message of raising taxes on the highest earners. A five-month legislative session, and intermittent negotiations since adjournment last month, have failed to yield a solution for a $5 billion deficit.

Republican leaders either declined to comment on the ruling or said they hadn’t seen it. Dayton praised it and said he still hopes for a budget deal.

“I would much prefer a fair and balanced budget solution, rather than a government shutdown,” he said in a statement.

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  1. Brad says:

    Good question:

    What happens to the tax dollars paid to the state that are not needed by the services which have been shut down?

    1. Bruce says:

      Think about it… shutting down all of the construction sites, web sites, email services, offices and starting them back up. Might cost a bit extra, dontcha think? I guess you don’t think. It will cost more to shut down than to keep doing business as usual. Oh yeah, plus all of the additional unemployment claims. And I keep hearing Rebuplican freshman lawmakers talk about running government like they ran their small businesses…. it is ALL partisan politics.

      1. Matt says:

        Bruce it costs us $48 MILLION a day to run the state of Minnesota, do you still think it’s going to cost more? The size and scope of the state budget is a joke and the fact that Dayton wants more just goes to show how far our of touch he is. I, what I’m excited to see if how little of the state government we actually need.

        Have a great government shutdown, I know I will

      2. Les Johnson says:

        “Oh yeah, plus all of the additional unemployment claims.”

        Can you please clarify which additional claims you’re referring to?

  2. Huxley says:

    Its not really a shutdown if you pick and choose what closes and what doesn’t. You want a shutdown? Then shut it down and deal with it. Otherwise it seems like another silly political scam. Fools.

  3. Unspent Taxes says:

    LMAO, they pay for the idiots to not be working. MN will find a way to blow those. Perhaps attorney costs?: There won’t be a surplus line item for these, be assured.

    1. Joe says:

      Does everyone realize how many delay claims all the contractors working for the state will charge MN. They are ALL laughing on the way to the bank. It’s going to cost the state of minnesota ( and yes not using capital letters because this state doesn’t deserve capitol letters) and us the “working” public millions and millions of dollars and NO ONE CARES. WOW

      1. Govt shutdown says:

        We care but fighting with the government that we elected, and the elected officials not listening to those who did elect them, is very disheartening. They will be spending way more to shut down and restart after they are done playing their games. But in the end we all pay dearly. Glad to be out of Minnesota, and glad to have this be my last year I need to pay into their tax bs.

      2. Mindy says:

        Joe most contracts with the state have a clause that if there is a shutdown they are not in any obligation to pay for servies.

  4. Sam I am says:

    So there you go. all of the welfare, medicaid, EBT, unemployment and child support checks will all be issue in a shut down.

    Medical is continuing and prisoners wont be let out.

    You can stop whining about it now.

    1. Anita Morewelfare says:

      Yep, no more whining …. mark dayton looks after his voting base

      1. Kathy says:

        Don’t be so sure about that. The proposed budget that he does support is a mere trickling of what the governments before our infamous Pawlenty negated with his dehumanizing psychopathic character which he proudly boasts about, because he didn’t know better.

        Mark Dayton didn’t oppose the GOP increases which are a slash of MN CARE Insurance. Looking at the numbers, he used this shutdown leverage to sustain 140,000 recipients on MN CARE. The problems is, that doctors refuse to accept this program by a great majority. Also, the procedures that are approved have been slashed tremendously.

        I feel safer to just stay home and hope that my body can cure itself.

        As for the rest of you who feel that your doctor will protect your interests, he might, if you have a pool of wealth that will bring you back to his office. The man/woman who cares little about people of lesser means is exactly the man that I want to stay away from. Consider this an education that without the face of greed, people knew less about who they deal with.

        Medical profession and legislatures are protecting each other, and Dayton holds that key. He didn’t learn how to count yesterday. Heir to the legacy of Daytons gave him many opportunities to find ways.

        Ask him about whether or not the insurance programs will cover anesthesia during all oral surgery procedures. The answer is no.

        Here in St. Cloud, MN, all dentists refuse care to those recipients. Swelling of my face is caused by an infection of several roots. No dentist referral allows me in the door to see an oral surgeon.

        I can’t get the roots removed, and my physician of 25 years told me last week that it is possible this could end my life. He is with Abott/Northwestern Hostpital.

        Governor Dayton is not protecting people of lesser means. I refuse to imply the connotation suggested by class. There are no classes that people are assigned to. If you have wealth, you’re probably a thief who gained oot much as you took unfair advantage of others. By hook or crook.

        People are people. We all live and breath the same air and in the end, each of us are accountabe for what we did or did not do during this one chance.

        Only the Catholic Church promotes wealth in this world. The more you make, the more they can get out of you. Talk about being a puppet on a string! You do what they say, and the kingdom on this earth is yours. Or is that in contradiction to their teachings? Regardless, it’s a fact.

        If you ever need anything, ask the person who doesn’t have a lot. It’s written that the Eternal Kingdom is theirs.

        GOP and our Democrat Governor Dayton are on the same page. You watch and see. Secret negotiations are kept behind wraps for a reason. They walk the same line but from different angles.

        Look at the proposed budgets if you doubt what I say. An increase by $3.6 billion dollars is also a take away from the current human service previous obligation. It’s all scaled back from even the Pawlenty Cuts who preserved healthcare to some degree.

        If the wealthy are taxed 2%, which they won’t be because our good governor was willing to bend, there will be another break to offset the difference. This likely comes by way of the $2 billion increase budgeted above the current and previous year. Again, Dayton knows how to count. So should the rest of you before you speak and make ignorant remarks.

        We have leaders who rely on stupidity by voters to allow misfortune. If you take off the rose colored glass, the clarity with which you see them will be the end of the dirty doings, once and for all.

        1. Guy says:

          How about going & getting a job so that you can TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF.
          (That includes getting back on your “meds” – you are rambling & almost incoherent)

        2. Les Johnson says:

          How’d you get such bad teeth and find yourself on MN Care?

    2. what? says:

      How is Unemployment and Child Support lumped into Welfare and EBT as if it is a goverment handout? Those whining seem to think that anybody who is getting any supprt of any type are mooching and lazy no gooders. I can’t wait until election day to see these folks put in their place.

    3. Sam says:

      I’m going to take it then that you didn’t actually read the article or the executive order signed by Judge Gearin.
      The judge deemed that child support not directly tied into the federal welfare system are not critical.
      Neither did I see that unemployment is going to continue.
      Or any sort of medical coverage, except for continued care of critical inpatients and emergency outpatient care.

      1. Smith says:

        The article states it is child care aid (that is not directly tied into TANF) that is non critical, not child support.

        Child care aid helps low income working families afford the expense of childcare.
        The child support program collects and distributes support that the non-custodial parent owes to the custodial parent. Big difference between the two programs. Please re-read the article and executive findings.

        1. Sam says:

          Apologies. You’re right. _Critical_ child support is suggested to be maintained.

          1. Smith says:

            Thanks for taking the time to reread the findings and apologize. Nice.

            Have a good day.

  5. Les Johnson says:

    Minnesota State Parks are about to lose MILLIONS of dollars just this next week alone.
    But at least the Republicans got a gay marriage debate all riled up again (for no valid reason)

    1. Dave Campbell says:

      It’s all about less government interfering in our lives with the GOP. It’s OK to impose their morality and religious views on us as long as we don’t raise their taxes! We all know how many jobs have been created by not raising taxes and how well their theories work. We will be paying for T-Paws flawed accounting for years to come.

    2. shane says:

      Gotta love them republicans, trying to make and already not legal thing illegal. It’s a shame the state parks are closing, but what can you do… oh yea blame a republican.

      1. Len says:

        ===========================================
        Even dummies should be able to understand this:
        ===========================================

        The Legislatures plan increases the annual budget from last years $30 billion to $34 billion, an increase that many fiscal conservatives wish were significantly less.

        However this was part of the compromise process that was done in developing the budget with Democratic legislators and with Mark Dayton’s, late to the discussion, staff.

        Governor Dayton however insists that the “all cuts budget” budget must be raised to $37 billion.

        How an increase from $30 to $34 billion can be referred to as an “all cuts” budget beggars the imagination.”

    3. Govt shutdown says:

      So veryyyyyyyy true! Have to worry about the GAY PRIDE first!!!!

      1. Les Johnson says:

        That comment didn’t make any sense.

        1. Sandy says:

          yes it does, Dayton had to march in the Gay Pride parade when he should have been trying to work this thing out. Priorities a littel mixed up.

          1. Dave Campbell says:

            Did you stop to consider what the GOP leadership was doing while Governor Dayton was marching in the Pride parade? I’m guessing that they were doing nothing productive. Senator Koch was probably trying to find a way to look less fat on television and Zellers was trying to appease his puppet masters!

            1. WHAT? says:

              My point was they have been spending time on that issue and not working on the budget this whole time. Their priiorities are truly misaligned. I dont like to pay for one sector of folks issues. Gay marriage is NOT a priority, when the risk of a government shut down is looming! Time for all to be ousted! Very simple! The shutdown, is going to cost millions more. Where is that money coming from???????

          2. Les Johnson says:

            Sandy, no it still doesn’t make sense.

            Are you saying that everybody was in a meeting room hashing it out, but Mark Dayton was in the parade keeping them waiting?

  6. It stinks says:

    I rely on the Minnesota Work Force Center and employment services. If they are shutdown or limitied that would hurt my job search. I think this whole mess is a self preservation of GOP and nothing more than that. It stinks.

    1. Dawn Mattson Nelson says:

      I currently receive Unemployment Insurance and how would we pay our house payment, car payment, put applications in if we have no money for gas. They need to get this taken care of so there is no shutdown. It will cost more in the long run to get everything going again with the state employess probably having o work more than 40 hours a week. Is that fair? I think not!

      1. Will says:

        I thought unemployemt payments was listea as continuing or open

  7. littletingod says:

    In the end, whether you know it or not, everybody and I mean EVERYBODY is hurt by this shutdown/slowdown.

    Except that is for the politicians who will get their pay even if they say they aren’t going to take it. You can bet that after the dust has settled and we have a state budget in place all those politicians who said they wouldn’t take a paycheck will pass a bill at midnight to reimburse themselves for wages lost.

    1. Joe says:

      Time for a revolution

      1. Len says:

        be careful what you which for …

    2. Len says:

      You little liar.

      ===========================================
      Even dummies should be able to understand this:
      ===========================================

      The Legislatures plan increases the annual budget from last years $30 billion to $34 billion, an increase that many fiscal conservatives wish were significantly less.

      However this was part of the compromise process that was done in developing the budget with Democratic legislators and with Mark Dayton’s, late to the discussion, staff.

      Governor Dayton however insists that the “all cuts budget” budget must be raised to $37 billion.

      How an increase from $30 to $34 billion can be referred to as an “all cuts” budget beggars the imagination.”

  8. Anita Newgov says:

    All of this could be avoided if those darn republicans would just let dayton raise taxes on rich people so he can use the money to cater a giant state-wide gay wedding.

    And another parade, mark dayton likes parades

  9. Richard Nufgln says:

    This is insane all the bros still get checks? They should shut it all down and impeach Dayton that would be a great start.

    1. Bb says:

      How about shut it down and expect Republicans to quit protecting the top two percent and asking the poor, working poor, elderly and middle class to continue to be the ones making the sacrifices. Mark Dayton has offered compromises, the GOP continues holding this budget for ransom as Dayton will not budge on the top 2 percent paying more in taxes, sharing the pain. I for one stand behind him, paying for this deficit off those who have the least and are more vulnerable is shameful!!!

      1. FAIRMN says:

        Very well said. One part though. Dayton is not asking the top 2% to pay more, he is asking for the top 2% to pay the same as the lower and middle class. That is very reasonable and very fair. If you make more money you pay more taxes, fact of life.

    2. FAIRMN says:

      Dayton has agreed to take no pay. The GOP house and senate will be getting their checks.

  10. Sue says:

    I’m a Republlican and I hate Koch and Zellers. What a couple of uncompromising and unfeeling trolls. You can’t just stick it to the less fortunate to make your point (budget ceiling)
    You need to be able to compromise!
    The whole state is ashamed of both parties

    1. Sue (DFL) is a liar says:

      In case you cant figure it out

      1. Sue says:

        Am not. Look – I don’t care for a lot of social programs – but you can’t just pull the only medical care some of these people receive in the name of a balanced budget. It’s not right – I don’t care how much you have in the “checkbook”

        1. Fact says:

          Nobody is cutting off the dead-beat’s health care, it says that right in the article.

          I thought your messiah 0bama was paying for everyone’s health care anyway, what happened to that?

          1. Sue says:

            It doesn’t say that in the article – you dufuss!
            Messiah – what a complete tool

          2. Kieron says:

            If there is a God, you will someday be the same kind of deadbeat you so casually slam. Fortune works in mysterious ways. Disability, damage, disease or disaster can happen to anyone, even conservatives who hate welfare. What, then, will you do when the 4 D’s happen to you? You will WHINE that there’s nothing there to help you, that’s what you’ll do.

            1. Policy owner says:

              Easy, if one of “the 4 D’s” happens to me I will collect on the insurance policy that I paid for with my OWN money. This will provide for me and my family during the recovery process.

              See how easy it is to not be a dead-beat burden on society – so simple even a caveman could do it!

              1. Smith says:

                If it’s a big enough disaster you may not be able to collect until a recovery is well under way, if at all.

                One example is Miami after Hurricane Andrew. The aftermath and cleanup took many months and claims were backlogged, some for years. Many people lost everything during the storm and were further SOL when their insurance companies declared bankruptcy due to the magnitude of claims.

                In the case of disease there are a myriad ways in which your insurance company can limit or refuse payouts and/or treatments. Some diseases,like Alzheimer’s, often require long-term care and can be very expensive, even with good coverage.

                Life isn’t always as simple as one might like, even with foresight and good planning.

                1. Chas says:

                  Insurance only covers the things YOU choose to take coverage on. The Insurance Company only pays for the coverage YOU chose. If they go bankrupt in MN there is a state fund that all companies pay into that takes over the claims.

    2. Len says:

      Due is a little liar. 🙂

      ===========================================
      Even dummies should be able to understand this:
      ===========================================

      The Legislatures plan increases the annual budget from last years $30 billion to $34 billion, an increase that many fiscal conservatives wish were significantly less.

      However this was part of the compromise process that was done in developing the budget with Democratic legislators and with Mark Dayton’s, late to the discussion, staff.

      Governor Dayton however insists that the “all cuts budget” budget must be raised to $37 billion.

      How an increase from $30 to $34 billion can be referred to as an “all cuts” budget beggars the imagination.”

    3. Kathy says:

      PERHAPS YOU ARE OF THE WRONG PARTY. IF YOU’VE BEEN WATCHING AND LISTENING FOR THE LAST DECADES, THAT PARTY DOES NOT SHARE YOUR SENTIMENTS.

  11. See BS says:

    This is a perfect example of the dumb baby boomer mindset that created a 5 billion dollar deficit.

    Appointed “County” Judges have no business making rulings over State Tax Dollars.

    1. Joe says:

      Why would you say dumb baby boomer….your an idiot

  12. Joe says:

    That’s right, this judge thinks more of the animals at the zoo, than the state workers and countless others that will be effected by the shutdown.
    I think it’s time to revolt, fire ALL the Dems and Republicans, Governor and the judge for starters.
    I think the people of MN should protest tonight in front of the capitol building, demanding the governor and ALL involved with this issue be immidiatley FIRED.

  13. Bb says:

    Considering a majority of citizens believe that the top 2 percent of wage earners need to pay more in taxes and share some of the pain, I would say the Republicans are the party unwilling to listen to the citizens majority in this state. There have been compromises on spending and cuts by the Governor. So, whom is really holding up the budget for ransom, the Republicans to protect that top 2 percent that so far have done little in the way of sacrifice. Go after the entitlements of these politicians that are paid for off the tax payers backs. Get them off the public dole, after all is that not what republicans complain about the most!!

    1. Chas says:

      Considering the GOP was elected by the majority of voters and the governor has make NO compromises and was not elected by the majority of voters it would appear that the governor is the one causing all the problems. If you will recall a bill spending more money than last year has been passed. I don’t know about you but we haven’t had a pay raised in years and are living with it – grow up – we can’t just keep spending more than we have and raising anyone’s taxes is not the answer.

  14. Yes but says:

    The top 2% financed the GOP. If the GOP allows Dayton to tax the top 2% then the GOP would not look so hot. They need to hold their ground to ensure they will be elected again. There are more sitting on the sidelines who know what is goijg on and they will njot forget this whole mess. Good luck GOP. See ya.

  15. MrB says:

    This all could be settled very easily and quickly just by changing some verbage in the budget, change it from saying “tax increase for the top 2%” to “user fee for the top 2%” done deal! Right Mr wanna be president pawlenty!!!

  16. Rachel says:

    OK, maybe I’m just not that bright. Does this mean food stamps will continue? Does anyone REALLY know??

    1. Tyrone says:

      Yo – it’s called EBT now sister…………..and oh yeah – keep it comin’ My family from Indiana is coming up next week! Word.

      1. Joe says:

        Tyrone would know

    2. Smith says:

      Rachel,

      Food stamps and cash assistance are tied into the Federal TANF program and are therefore considered, according to the executive findings, to be critical services, which would mean that they would continue to operate during the shut down.

      1. Rachel says:

        Thank you! Lots of folks are in bad positions these days. I am one of them. I hate taking “charity” but would be on the streets if I didn’t have assistance for food…Food stamps are the only thing I receive, but I feel for those out there who are in worse positions than I am. Smith, thanks again! I also appreciate the fact that you didn’t make a judgement call on my behalf! You’re a keeper!

        1. Mary says:

          Rachel, you are not charity. These programs are for people that need a little help.

  17. Mohamed ishi says:

    Please help , I need to know if I will receive my ebt and food vouchers , if not I will be in trouble .

    1. Isheatmypants says:

      sucks to be you!

    2. Kieron says:

      Call you county worker and lotsa luck getting through to him/her.

    3. Smith says:

      Mohamed,

      From reading the article, it looks as though those services will have to continue being dispersed during a State government shutdown since they are tied into the Federal programs.

      So yes, you should still continue to get benefits.

  18. Mohamed ishi says:

    Could someone please post hennipen county number fo me ? I have babies please help

    1. Tommy T says:

      612.867.5309

  19. Mohamed ishi says:

    Thank you Tommy I am at library do not own computer

  20. Chuck says:

    Oh boy, here we go… 😦

    Or is the irony here lost?

    1. Agreed says:

      Yep, no need for any more discussion. Somone needs to volunteer to interpret, explain, and just answer all the questions by the distressed. Thanks to all of those for solid performance and ideas. It was fun to read–well, okay, sometimes.

  21. Len says:

    OK, so you collect more taxes from the Rich. What happens a few years from now when the programs need more money? Where does the money come from then? Minnesota has a spending problem. Greater taxes on the Rich will not alleviate this spending addiction disease. Total State Expenditures History directly from the Minnesota Spending and Management Department archives http://www.mmb.state.mn.us/doc/budget/report-spend/nov10.pdf :
    1990 = $10.0 billion…
    1995 = $13.5 billion…
    2000 = $17.6 billion…
    2005 = $23.3 billion…
    2010 =$ 28.4 billion
    Over 20 years that is a 184% increase in Minnesota State Spending !!!
    In the last 20 years the government’s consumer price index from bls.gov/cpi/ has increased by a total of 66%.
    … So the bottom line is that Minnesota state spending over the last 20 years has increased by 184% while inflation was at 66%.

    1. Chas says:

      Well put, but they won’t get it

  22. Len says:

    ===========================================
    Even dummies should be able to understand this:
    ===========================================

    The Legislatures plan increases the annual budget from last years $30 billion to $34 billion, an increase that many fiscal conservatives wish were significantly less.

    However this was part of the compromise process that was done in developing the budget with Democratic legislators and with Mark Dayton’s, late to the discussion, staff.

    Governor Dayton however insists that the “all cuts budget” budget must be raised to $37 billion.

    How an increase from $30 to $34 billion can be referred to as an “all cuts” budget beggars the imagination.”

    1. Len says:

      It looks like I’m doing somethign right🙂

    2. weird argument says:

      I don’t understand this reply.

      1. Len says:

        Selective understanding?🙂

  23. nadinemarinaro says:

    I am part of the 2% that they want to raise taxes on, but ill tell you this, im only able to make that kind of a living because of the child care assistance program and im more then happy to make the extra payment to our state taxes to insure the continued funding of these programs. Im all for dayton and what he is trying to do as are most minnesotains that are making that kind of money. ive seen families loose their homes, go hungrey, lost their jobs, etc and its the low income and middle class that will suffer in the long run if we dont suport our governor.

    1. Len says:

      Sure, sure, and we belive ya.🙂

    2. Come on says:

      You are only in the top 2% because of the child care assistance program? Give me a break.

      1. Shut it down! says:

        Probably is in the top 2% because of running a facility that cares for children of people who are on welfare.

        Real classy lobbying for extra taxes to be stolen from the paychecks of honest working people so they can line their own pockets

        1. WHAT? says:

          I have to laugh at the joking going on this board. It truly is sad. We elected people who are driving out state into the ground, and hell next month or a little more the US government shuts down, and goes bankrupt. Gotta love the elected officials. We are all hurting. But hey lets bring in more immigrants to the doles of those of us who are working. And keep the us people who have to pay taxes on the sidelines with no jobs, losing everything, truly a messed up trend! Stop the WASTE!

  24. Len says:

    Little liar.🙂

    ===========================================
    Even dummies should be able to understand this:
    ===========================================

    The Legislatures plan increases the annual budget from last years $30 billion to $34 billion, an increase that many fiscal conservatives wish were significantly less.

    However this was part of the compromise process that was done in developing the budget with Democratic legislators and with Mark Dayton’s, late to the discussion, staff.

    Governor Dayton however insists that the “all cuts budget” budget must be raised to $37 billion.

    How an increase from $30 to $34 billion can be referred to as an “all cuts” budget beggars the imagination.”

    1. Pants on Fire says:

      Try again. Do some fact checking!!!!

  25. Len says:

    Dayton is a Marxist. And his supporters are “useful idiotes”.

  26. Mary Kay says:

    this is michele bachman plan to shut the state down and make us all suffer
    http://ethicalfutures.wordpress.com/2011/06/28/is-michele-bachman-a-serial-killer/

    1. Chas says:

      What has Bachman got to do with the way the state is run, she’s in Congress!

  27. Dawn says:

    Has anyone thought about US single mothers that are on Social Security Disability, Housing Assistance and Public Assistance JUST to barely survive each month. We have enough homeless families in our state. Then to have our Government possibly shutdown, which could cause even MORE families to become homeless.
    Just sit back and think about ALL of YOU being in OUR shoes. Hand over your paychecks and YOU live on OUR budgets for just 3 to 6 months. See how well you Politicians live after being used to your substantial pays, compared to what WE get each month.
    With that said get back to work and get the State Government running and our workers back to what their supposed to be doing. WORKING FOR THE PEOPLE OF MINNESOTA.

    1. Jason says:

      Guess what sister, I barley survive every week. Without any damn assistance. You should try it. Stop using the government as a vehicle to steal from my family to give to yours. People, at some point you will be forced to live with the consequences of your choices you have made in your life. It is the natural order of thiings.

    2. reality says:

      I feel for you Dawn, life is tough maybe you should buy a helmet

    3. weird argument says:

      Um, Dawn… a few things:

      1. You chose to be single mother. Parenthood is choice. It’s one of those life choices you don’t get to complain about later.
      2. It’s unfortunate you’re disabled. However, a great many people work even though they have a disability. It’s called self-respect and dignity.
      3. The legislature is doing their job. We elected them to stop wasteful spending and they have put their foot down, so they are “doing what they’re suppose to be doing.”
      4. If you go back to the constitution it does not require the government to ensure the well-being of EVERY person. It only says it will promote the welfare of the people, not provide for it.

      1. to weird argument says:

        To weird argument

        1. However a mother becomes a single mother includes a child who’s survival may require assistance the mother may not be able to provide. Who are you to stand on your soap box to scold her? My lord some people here need to be told to sit down and shut up.
        2. So if they are not working do they have no self-respect and lack dignity? Are you saying because they do not work and are disabled we should ignore a need to help? If that is what you are saying then in the very least a cold loud mouthed monster.
        3. The legislature is doing their job? They did not balance the budget. That was their job. We elected them to stop wasteful spending? I am all for stopping wasteful spending. The legislature is almost cut in half, half GOP and DFL, the GOP has a slight edge. I assume you refer to “we” as the GOP who has the edge right now. That leaves nearly half not in your “we” …and judging from your statements I don’t think you and I would have anything in common. But that is the problem, the “we” you belong to believes you speak for all of us when in fact you speak for few.
        4. I think you have a shallow view of the United States constitution. Minnesota has a constitution as well. Check that out. I would rather live in a society where we do help the less fortunate. You can live in your world where you can tack a piece of paper called a constitution over those who need assistance refusing to give them any help.

        You apparently have no human conscience whatsoever. Sad.

        1. Chas says:

          You make some good points BUT the GOP was elected to stop additional spending and taxes. We tax payers are tired of the increases!!! (I’m an unemployed middle classer)

          How about we go to a flat tax of 3% for everyone, no exceptions, and the state cannot spend more than it takes it!!! Can’t get any fairer than that.

    4. Les Johnson says:

      Single mothers get child support. No sympathy for you.

  28. Jason says:

    From reading the complete list of findings it looks as though in the event of a gov. shutdown that many departments will remain operational. Just another political ploy.

    1. not the top says:

      I find it interesting that much of what will not be shutdown is considered to be much of what the loud mouths say that they do not want to support. Or they say they support them but would like to pay those employees $6 and hour to do the job. Goverment cost money and more and more money is needed to support goverment. If we require these services then we need to pay for them. I am not talking about the top 2%, they need to be let off the hook because they may someday hire somebody, just not now. And that is important.

  29. weird argument says:

    nevermind, they took her comment down.

  30. Georgia Dawkins says:

    Public Benefits, such as Stamps and Wic, Medicaid, etc are continuing. I am sorry for those that think they are so much above needing help and assitance that they forget those that do. No matter what anyone’s opinion is- I am sure we do not want kids starving while the powers that be play a game of ‘I don’t wanna’.. While I wish that my working dollars did more for my own family I would never want any child being cut off from whatever sustainence they have. Also, some undertones of hate going on.. we obviously cannot change the government- they will ALWAYS do what they want… but we have a choice at how we are going to be.
    Happy 4th of July weekend.. hope everyone has a safe and fun one!

    1. Jason says:

      Not that im above needing help, how can anyone do it on thier own without trying. Life can be uncomfotable sometimes. If you are in a position to help do so. If not dont demand myself or anyone do the heavy lifting for you.

      1. Always in favor of less government says:

        Well said, Jason.

    2. Welfare continues says:

      Georgia, kids are going without food now. Mom and dad buying booze and cigs with the food stamps. The kids have to eat lunch at the playgrounds in the summer.

      1. WHAT? says:

        funny I have lived and paid taxes in mn all my life. 43 years, I needed help a few months ago, and I did put my ego in my pocket and apply, guess what I was denied. So what did I do? Hit the streets harder and got a job. I didn’t get anything for 4 months of being out of work, NOTHING, it gave me incentive to work harder looking for a job. Tired of the free money going to people who just are too lazy. People who are already on welfare, having more kids, or people on SSI, etc, having kids, and expecting us to raise them for you, is truly a sad idea, and very unfair to the children. I had a child and I RAISED HIM ON my own, working everyday. If you can’t pay, then don’t play!!!!!!!!!! Enough of this poor me mentality

        1. Mk says:

          What was the reason you were denied? We sure take care of those who come here from Chicago. A friend of mine needed daycare assistance for a few months. She was denied and was told if she quit her job or reduced her hours, she would qualify for more programs.

          1. WHAT? says:

            i was denied because I hadn’t been out of work long enough and couldn’t get the help for anything. It pissed me off, because I knew people who were out and got everything paid for for free. It didn’t do anything but make me work harder to find work. I didn’t sit back and wait for the dole, it was very tough don’t get me wrong. But I am stronger for it. I don’t have an issue with people who need help short term, lifers and baby mamma’s gotta stop. We are working for them only. Not fair.

            1. Mk says:

              WHAT? I am sorry to hear that. You sound like my friend that was denied a few months of daycare. I have an elderly friend in low income housing. Her neighbor (from Il) just had her FOURTH child while on welfare. You set a good example for your kids.I worked and raised 2 kids. Good luck to you.

  31. Sam I am says:

    i think they should spend more money on planned parent hood. That way all the white girls knocked up by the brothers can make better choices. Dayton is the worst governor of ALL time. Hes an old drunk who fried his brain , and bought an election.

  32. Donato Aviles says:

    Tax the rich!

    1. Brilliant! says:

      Did you think of that all by yourself?

  33. J says:

    What about all of the breech of contracts the state will have when the companies on contract cannot work?? Heard of one that the state would owe over 2 million dollars to! That can’t be worth it!!

  34. MattMN says:

    Given these findings, I think the governor has miscalculated what the impact will be. Most of the serious agencies and programs will continue to run as they have been. People will not be kicked out of their homes, starve, or be denied medical care as a result of the shutdown. Certain interests, such as the horse tracks, cosmetologists, etc. will have some difficulty, but when I look at the list of agencies which will continue to operate, I think the Republicans would be fools to cave in to Dayton’s demands. Once the shutdown comes, I think we will all be surprised how little life will really be impacted by this. If the shutdown continues long enough, it will become clear how much money is wasted every year on unnecessary government. I urge the Republican legislators to let it shut down and hold the line on the offer you made earlier of $34 billion. It’s ridiculous you gave Dayton an increase to begin with, don’t undermine all of your credibility by caving in for the additional taxes he wants to levy.

    1. Agreed says:

      I was thinking the same thing. Minus the political slant. From a pure economic perspective, if you shut it down (minus the criticals listed)–We can get a real look and gain greater perspective. Let’s tally the waste and take it off the table or reduce the offerings.

  35. Tim says:

    Being that the Legislature already raised the budget by 12% after increasing it from the original $32 billion, it would be nice if Dayton would quit lying to us when he keeps saying “I’m willing to go half way, but the Legislature won’t budge”. It’s a flat-out lie, but the local media won’t report the facts. Come on Dayton, get off your lazy behind and get this done. THIS IS 100% ON HIS SHOULDERS……..if there is a shutdown.

    1. uhg says:

      Again someone with out all the facts.

  36. Me says:

    It is amazing how dimwitted most are. If you truely had all the facts there would not be these idiotic discussions.

    1. Me too says:

      I wish we had the facts. Can you help us out?

  37. lea says:

    As long as the goverment is shutting down, they shouldn’t get paid also and why should we pay any taxes while they shut down….no sales tax, no state income tax, until they start doing the job they wer elected for…I don’t know about you but if I didn’t do my job, I would be fired!! Don’t count on me voting for them ever….

  38. Fay says:

    What happens if people that are on social security that gets county assistance? How are minnesota people going to survive with this minnesota shutdown? I would like the republicians to switch places with people that are below poverty and see if they like it. If I were them I would take the tax raise to resolve this issue before it becomes a bigger problem.

  39. Len says:

    OK, so you collect more taxes from the Rich. What happens a few years from now when the programs need more money? Where does the money come from then? Minnesota has a spending problem. Greater taxes on the Rich will not alleviate this spending addiction disease. Total State Expenditures History directly from the Minnesota Spending and Management Department archives http://www.mmb.state.mn.us/doc/budget/report-spend/nov10.pdf :
    1990 = $10.0 billion…
    1995 = $13.5 billion…
    2000 = $17.6 billion…
    2005 = $23.3 billion…
    2010 =$ 28.4 billion
    Over 20 years that is a 184% increase in Minnesota State Spending !!!
    In the last 20 years the government’s consumer price index from bls.gov/cpi/ has increased by a total of 66%.
    … So the bottom line is that Minnesota state spending over the last 20 years has increased by 184% while inflation was at 66%.

  40. Len says:

    Here’s the FACTS for ya:
    ====================

    OK, so you collect more taxes from the Rich. What happens a few years from now when the programs need more money? Where does the money come from then? Minnesota has a spending problem. Greater taxes on the Rich will not alleviate this spending addiction disease. Total State Expenditures History directly from the Minnesota Spending and Management Department archives http://www.mmb.state.mn.us/doc/budget/report-spend/nov10.pdf :
    1990 = $10.0 billion…
    1995 = $13.5 billion…
    2000 = $17.6 billion…
    2005 = $23.3 billion…
    2010 =$ 28.4 billion
    Over 20 years that is a 184% increase in Minnesota State Spending !!!
    In the last 20 years the government’s consumer price index from bls.gov/cpi/ has increased by a total of 66%.
    … So the bottom line is that Minnesota state spending over the last 20 years has increased by 184% while inflation was at 66%.

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