Minn. Braces For Gov’t Shutdown Over Taxes

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — In an echo of the debate unfolding in Washington, Minnesota hurtled toward a midnight government shutdown Thursday in a dispute over taxes and spending that could force thousands of layoffs, bring road projects to a standstill and close state parks just ahead of the Fourth of July weekend.

As the deadline drew ever closer without a resolution, people rushed to get driver’s and fishing licenses, and park officials began warning campers to pack their gear and leave.

Though nearly all states are having severe budget problems this year, Minnesota stood alone on the brink of a shutdown, thanks to Democratic Gov. Mark Dayton’s determination to raise taxes on high-earners to close a $5 billion deficit and the Republican Legislature’s refusal to go along.

Negotiations between Dayton and legislative leaders were fitful, starting and stopping with no outward signs of progress, and details were scant, since the two sides agreed to what they jokingly called “the cone of silence.”

Late Thursday afternoon, GOP leaders again demanded the governor avert a shutdown by calling a special session to enact a “lights on” budget bill that would keep the state running while talks continued. Top Democrats said Dayton would not take such a step.

Republican Sen. Michelle Benson said she wasn’t budging, either.

“If we don’t start taking a different approach to how we manage our government, we’re going to swing from one bad economic circumstance to another,” Benson said. “We can’t just keep throwing more money at government and hoping that makes things better.”

The showdown was something of a small-stage version of the drama taking shape in Washington between President Barack Obama and the Republicans over taxes and the nation’s debt ceiling.

Though many states are having budget difficulties this year, those where political power is concentrated in a single party easily passed budgets. Some of those with divided government had healthy reserves, including Alaska, Iowa and Montana; Minnesota’s rainy-day accounts are drained. Others such as Louisiana and Nevada used one-time money or federal dollars to patch things together. Nevada and Missouri renewed taxes.

In New Jersey, Republican Gov. Chris Christie used the line-item veto Thursday to pare a budget from the Democratic-controlled Legislature before signing it into law, preventing a shutdown.

Only four other states — Michigan, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Tennessee — have had shutdowns in the past decade, some lasting mere hours.

A stoppage in Minnesota would halt non-emergency road construction, shut the state zoo and Capitol, and stop child-care assistance for the poor. More than 40 state boards and agencies would go dark. Critical services, including the State Patrol, prisons, disaster response and federally funded health, welfare and food stamp programs, would not be affected.

State park officials told campers to strike their tents well before the deadline, even though there was still a chance of a deal. They said it would be too difficult to herd campers out in the middle of the night if talks failed.

In Afton State Park, near St. Paul, Rick Miller of Elko-New Market pushed up a camping trip with his 7-year-old son, Jack, to beat the shutdown. Miller originally hoped they could spend Thursday and Friday nights in the park on the picturesque St. Croix River, but he booked a campsite for Wednesday night.

“With the shutdown we decided we better come and get it in,” he said. “We don’t know how long it will be before we can get back into a state park.” He added: “It’s too bad they can’t just get the job done.”

A small group of protesters paraded before reporters clustered outside Dayton’s office on Thursday afternoon, chanting and waving signs to support the governor’s position. “You say cut back, we say fight back!” they yelled. One woman carried a handmade sign that read: “GOV DAYTON DON’T BACK DOWN!”

Dayton is Minnesota’s first Democratic governor in 20 years, and Republicans are running the entire Legislature for the first time in 38 years.

The governor has proposed raising taxes on couples earning more than $300,000 and individuals making more than $180,000. Republicans have opposed any new taxes or new revenue sources, arguing instead that the state should rely on spending cuts, including deeper reductions in health and welfare spending than Dayton is willing to accept.

Some GOP moderates have talked of breaking the impasse with other means of raising revenue, such as eliminating tax breaks or authorizing a casino. Dayton has said he is open to such ideas.

Rank-and-file Republicans gathered at the Capitol on Thursday, more than a month after their regular session ended. Members of the large Republican freshman class, whose election victories in November helped the party take control of the Legislature for the first time in decades, held tight to their message that a total two-year state budget of $34 billion is big enough.

“I personally think the Republicans will probably be more damaged than the governor” by a shutdown, said freshman Rep. Mike LeMieur, R-Little Falls, who toppled an incumbent Democrat in November. “The fact is that we’re all up for re-election again next year, and he’s not up for three years.”

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  1. jimmy says:

    AS the GOP moves to force a shut down of state government the Governor is still ready to meet them halfway. The GOP with their my way or the highway mentality will cost this state hundreds of millions of dollars.

    1. TEA says:

      Half way is not good enough. GOP proposed a 6% increase over last budget. That is 10% too much. This is on Dayton.

      1. Joe says:

        This from the party that STILL hasn’t paid its campaign bills.

      2. sweny says:

        it’s on both plain and simple , get it done compromise and that’s it.

        1. Yep says:

          Speak for yourself.

        2. Work together says:

          I would like to know why you think you can speak for everyone. Compromise us what is needed. That is what adults do. Time for some folks to put on their big boy and big girl pants and meet in the middle. Put the people of MN first and leave the egos at home.

          1. teddy says:

            So you love socialism?

            1. jimmy says:

              This is what’s wrong with the GOP sheep. Teddy has no idea what people are talking about so he just throws out socialism.

              1. Comrade Lenin and Chairman Mao says:

                Comrade Jimmy-

                We want you and other Minnesota Socialists to consider moving up to Marxism and perhaps even Communism!

                CAPITALISM IS EVIL! Successful people should be stripped of the wealth they got by stepping on the poor and their property confiscated by the state!

                That part of the Minnesota proletariat who are the victims of EVIL capitalism or do not want to work MUST be provided for by the state! As Comrade Karl said, “Workers of the world unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains!”

                Republicans should be executed and the obviously intellectually superior Democrats should be exalted!

                Comrade Dayton and Comrade Jimmy give us hope!

                Comrade Lenin and Chairman Mao

                1. Jim says:

                  “Comrade Lenin and Chairman Mao” are both dead, you know, and so are their ideas. The Democrats I know do not support Marxism or communism. My dad was a bleeding heart liberal and he risked his life in a foreign country fighting for the United States against communism. So if you weren’t just a random and misguided internet poster, I’d probably take offense at your assertion.

                2. jimmy says:

                  I see by the use of the word comrade you must be a Nazi. Since the 2ND world war when Nazis made that word there own, Only people with no knowledge of history and Nazis still address friends in such a manner.
                  I see from your post you must think that we are a Capitalist country. We’re not, as a matter of fact the founding fathers rejected Capitalism as the economic system for their fledgling country. If you look real close you will find there is no country on earth that practices pure Capitalism .
                  I also see from your post that you must think there are only 3 economic systems. You would be wrong there are many more and a few that suit our country much better that Capitalism.

          2. Middle of the road says:

            I agree, they need to work together. the republicans started with a cut in government and then moved to no increase and lastly to a 5.6% increase. It si time to work together and for the other side to give a little. Governor, are you listening? the press has published these numbers, so if you cost us all these tax dollars and fail to compromise we will hold it against you and your party, again. We need balance in governemnt, so please give some now that we all know the republicans have given some.

            1. Gerald Alama says:

              I cant agree more hell you’ll never get another chance or vote period!

      3. Sam says:

        @TEA
        Halfway is not enough?
        Do you understand what a compromise is?
        One side or the other can have everything 100% their way when everyone in America agrees on a side. Until then, one side attempting to enforce their entire opinion and not being willing to make any compromise or sacrifice is called a dictatorship.

        Thankfully, it sounds like both sides have more of an understanding of compromise, at least when forced to really examine the issue, as they are saying that they are close to a solution.

        1. ItsTheSpendingStupid says:

          Revenue is not the issue here, it’s the spending. We have a budget, in fact we have a budget increase. Simple – live within those guidelines, just like the rest of us.

          By the way – I say you owe me $1million dollars, but I’ll *compromise* on half that. Just as meaningful.

      4. Jon Lee says:

        Just like everyone else in America has become so used to doing, blame someone else. Does not matter whose fault it is, the problem needs to be fixed. That is something both parties agree on. What has happened to not only this state, but the country. Members of both sides, local and national, will pretty much say they want the same thing to happen yet cant seem to come to common ground. It seems that our politicians have become so stubborn that compromise is no longer in their vocabulary.

      5. Tailgunner says:

        You mean the DEBT left by Venture you Jackwagon…DAYTON is a Quitter..Just like when he quit as a Senator..You Democrats are all LOSERS……………

    2. Stacy says:

      This is all on Dayton! He is the only one with the veto pen. A budget was sent by the house and sentate who are made-up by the voice of the voters and you have one man who is standing against that voice

      1. Tom F says:

        This is not on Dayton. Dayton has laid out what he wants from the budget, and has come down significantly from his budget needs. All he is asking is that the Top 2% of minnesotans, pay the same percentage as the bottom 98%.
        The funny thing about all of the Tea Partiers, is that they dont get that all of the tax increases being proposed, likely will not affect them. And that if the tax increases do NOT go through, their property and income taxes will go up. Taxed Enough Already party needs to stop being slaves for the upper 2% and realise they dont care one bit. So i have one question for the people who claim to be taxed enough, How are you going to feel when the Puppeteers of your “party” get less taxes while your taxes go up? Stop being sheep, and learn who is really controlling your party.
        I am a Liberal, I stand up for the middle class.

        1. umm what says:

          When haven’t your property taxes gone up? Please tell me… because it seems every year MINE HAVE.

          1. jordanj says:

            Value goes down, taxes rise.

        2. Bill D says:

          of course it affects them, the top 2% earners already pay an exceptionally high percentage of the tax revenues collected, raise their tax and you will see a decrease in jobs, after all, how many low income earners ever create jobs for others?

          1. just asking says:

            am wondering if there are any statistics that prove number of jobs the upper 2% create besides housekeepers. maids or chauffeur’s???

            1. Justin says:

              This is about the dumbest thing I have read! Are you saying the top 2% of wage earners don’t employ thousands of people in the state? You think all they do is employ a driver or a maid? Get a clue.

              1. Cache says:

                Doctors work for companies, Ceo’s work for companies, Corporate lawyers work for companies. There are many people out there working for money that are not responsible to pay for people out of their pocket.There is no statistic for the number of people earning over 150k, much less their demographic profile, readily available.

                1. Terri Lynn Margadonna says:

                  I don’t disagree that some pay for higher ups has gotten out of hand but to assume that the people who put time in effort into their education and careers should be responsible for the welfare of others because they make more money is outrageous. Everybody seems to be under the misconception that if a person makes over a certain amount they get to keep all their money, not so in fact a lot of those people do pay more in taxes in a year than most of us make in a year. That does not count what they may contribute in time or money to charities and such to help others. Case in point I did a tax return for a client once with income over one million dollars, he had already paid $300,000 in taxes but still owed over $100,000 at the end of the year. Now how is that fair? He ended up paying over 40% of his income, if some of the people out there who are complaining had 40% of their income taken by the government you would be screaming.

              2. Morgs says:

                They are not taxing the companies, they are taxing their personal income.

                1. Cache says:

                  Very good of you to realize that. Jjust asking’s question was responded to by what I thought was the idea that the top 2% are responsible for creating jobs. I merely pointed out that there are plenty of high paying jobs that are not responsible for creating jobs out of their pocket directly, but instead pay extremely well. I never said a thing about taxing companies. So what does your comment have to do about the thread?

            2. jordanj says:

              Who owns MN companies?

          2. Pat says:

            Dollar for dollar, the top 2% pay far less in taxes than i do. And if cutting taxes on the top 2% created jobs, this country would be at 100% employment. The real truth is that as taxes on the wealthy have been cut, so have jobs. Exactly the opposite of what you claim.

            1. weird argument says:

              How would you even know what the “real truth” is? Have you written the definitive word on economics in this country or conducted an academic investigation into the economy right now? Doubt it.

        3. Jon Lee says:

          Tom let me ask you something. Where do new local small to medium businesses get their capital from? Some comes from banks, some comes from their pocket, and some comes from….wait for it…..wealthy local investors….that’s right. So if you were an investor living here and Dayton got his way wouldn’t you move to another state and take your wealth there. Minnesota has the 2nd highest business tax in the country. So add in a higher income tax to that for the wealthy and you would see this state wither up and become a ghost state.

          1. Eric Bell says:

            Local investors don’t create jobs just for the hell of it. That’s where you’re wrong. If instead the state cut taxes, do you think local investors would just hire extra people? Wrong… they would invest the money ins something else, and that’s where the money sticks. So like uh… that Zygi guy… what jobs do you think he will cut because of a tax increase?

        4. Mark "F" Dayton says:

          You’re so wrong. This is on Dayton. His all or nothing is pushing for this total government shutdown (except what is determined “essential”). Dayton will not agree to what both sides can agree on…he wants total agreement or nothing and he is chosing NOTHING! Also, since when does the state government have anything to do with raising local government property taxes? What you say just proves that “government” whether federal, state, or local, can’t get enough money because none are willing to live within their means. I agree that the top 2% needs to pay the same rate on their adjusted gross income as everyone else. But one or two sticking points, should not cause a total government shutdown. That’s just plain “F” grade leadership!

        5. revdude says:

          Tom F you said “This is not on Dayton. Dayton has laid out what he wants from the budget, and has come down significantly from his budget needs. All he is asking is that the Top 2% of minnesotans, pay the same percentage as the bottom 98%.”

          Then I want to pay the same rate that the bottom 35% pay, wich would be a lot less then I pay. We should just go to a strait 10% tax on all income and be done with this. The rich will pay more, the “poor” will pay something for their benefits and I will have more spending money.

          1. sodapop says:

            I like your idea revdue. Even the poor should be paying something. Don’t leave the rest of us to pay for their benefits.

        6. Darren says:

          Bottom 98%? Half of those people don’t pay taxes in to the state.

        7. GN says:

          Your an individual that is either union or government that absorbs most ot the state budget over the long haul. While the folks in the private sector were getting 1 or 2 percent in pay increases, if they were lucky, state and local government employees were getting 5 and 6 percent increases year after year.
          They forced the bank to bust. I am actually hoping the shut down last for weeks. The reason is that folks would have to learn to do some real thinking and we may find out what we don’t need and get rid of the government employees that administer what we don’t need.

        8. Terri Lynn Margadonna says:

          News flash the majority of the bottom 98% do not pay income taxes at all in fact they are the ones who get money back because they are in the lower income brackets via tax credits and such for things such as earned income credit. I have seen people who pay in little or nothing get back not ony what they may have paid in taxes but additional thousands of dollars from both the state and federal government because of the way the system is set up. I have done income tax returns for years and know what I am talking about. As far as the government shutting down that is on Dayton because he is the only one who can call a special session or keep the government going until a new budget is passed and he wants his way so bad he will sacrifice the citizens of MN just to be right. By the way I am not one of the ones with money in fact I have been on unemployment for the past 6 months and am a single income household so I am hoping I can keep a roof over my head. I am also proud to say I am a Republican I wouldn’t have it any other way.

      2. Deb says:

        Dayton represents the common people, this is on Pawlenty!! I am losing money on social services single moms, because I do daycare for them… they can’t pay me, which means they can’t work!! I still say hang in there Dayton!!!!!!

        1. Jason says:

          So your source of income is a government subsidy. Great. Maybe you should think about taking on clients that pay for themselves. Always plan ahead of a problem. It is not the function of government to fund all of our lifestyles. Get off government life support.

          1. Deb says:

            Sorry, you obviously live in a box!!! If daycare homes do not take social services people we get fined! Besides, it allows them to work!!!!

            1. Melissa says:

              I am also a daycare provider; I don’t accept subsidized clients or belong to the federal food program. I don’t like the paperwork, plain and simple. If I accepted these clients or belonged to these programs it makes ME dependent on government also. I charge a reasonable weekly/daily rate that is about 30% lower than the ‘average’ for my county. I don’t have unmpteen paid days off. I will and have negotiated a lower rate for families that fall on hard times, isn’t that how the free market system is supposed to work?

          2. Cat says:

            You are one of the sheep, being lead by the 2%, the Govt subsidy for daycare meshes in delicated with the assistance for an independent lower income single parent. If you don’t know the particulars educate yourself or hush.

          3. Amy says:

            Jason,
            I moved to this state 8 years ago from WI to get married to my now ex husband. I was a stay at home mom for 6 1/2 years, and in November 2009 found that my husband was having an affair. I filed for divorce, and was forced to move into an apartment. I was not able to move back to WI where my family could help me out while I got on my feet. I have a 5 year old and a 7 year old. My exhusband barely helped me in 18 months( $600 and 10 bags of groceries). I went out and got a job, but my paychecks don’t pay my bills completely. I was forced on public assistance and receive child care assistance. It has been humbling and I cried through the filling out the paperwork. I have no family or friends here, so it has been hard to raise two small kids. My family has helped me out. I have been searching for a better job, but have been unsuccessful, so far.
            I was forced into a situation like this out of my control and it angers me that you act like people like me are “living on government life support” as a means of lifestyle. It’s people like you that almost made me not get the support I need for my daughters. I was too embarrassed but my daughters have needs. I did it for them, not me. Don’t be so quick to judge before you know all the facts.

            1. Jason says:

              What happend with a similair situation like yours 50yrs ago without the gov. People made it. EVERYONE falls on hard times, I was stuck on an arm loan utimatley lost my home, car was stolen and my wife and I had our first child all at the same time. So yes I am familair to hard times. Also did this on about 40k salary. Try harder dig deeper.

              1. amy says:

                Jason,

                Do understand what an at home mom is? I had no income and was left with two small children and no money. My 7 year old has celiac disease and has to be on a gluten free diet for the rest of her life. If she ingests one little crouton she will throw up for 4-6 hours constantly. She also has medical bills from that and her food costs alot! Her bread mix I use to make her bread is $4.79 per bag, which makes one loaf. Her mac n cheese is $4.00 a box. I go without and only make $7.75 per hour. $40K salary is heaven compared to what I am making. You act like I have all this money. I would like to know where because I work alot and still struggle. Where is it my fault for my exhusband’s failure to be a father and a husband? I am doing my best and if you think that’s it’s not good enough, then you are so naive. You have a wife to be able to watch your child and have $40k salary. I don’t have either of those and have been looking into going back to college, but who will watch my children on weeknights when I have to be in class or take care of them when I try to use my computer. I have gone without. I don’t have cable, just a converter box. I have hand washed clothing to get by and let them air dry. I have stayed home or walked to get places so I don’t waste my gas. In the beginning, I skipped meals so my kids could have food. How much have you done of that? I am not a lazy person by any means, but was put in a tough spot. I am trying to get off the public assistance cuz it’s people like you that make us feel so worthless for just trying to get on my feet, so my kids have a better life. What is so wrong with that? Would you rather see my kids starve? I am sorry for your situation, but i bet you got a new car and are in a home now. I don’t have the means to even fix my vehicle if it breaks down. I don’t own credit cards, so I pay with cash, debit or check. I don’t over spend and buy things I don’t need. I spend my money wisely, but it is just not enough.

                1. cue violins says:

                  Write a memoir, then you could make an income.

                2. Melissa says:

                  You are the person that these programs were designed for. Unfortunately there are the system suckers who have ruined it for you and given the people who truly need the help a bad name.

                  Do you have a church family of some type? I am providing care for a little boy right now (free) while his mom is getting her degree. She does some housekeeping every other week in exchange, though I didn’t ask her to. She just wanted to do something to repay my kindness (her words).

                3. Jason says:

                  amy, people like me get up a 5am work 12 hr days, pay my taxes, repair my family car, The home we bought needs/ needed extensive repairs, we did ourselves as we could not afford to pay someone to do.We barley make it. All I ask is for you to try your hardest to do this on your own, and stop making excuses. The government is not here to take from me or others to support your life. I like many others cannot afford to help. Thats what your church and family are here for. Good incentive for treating people around with good regard. Hard times fall on us all, can you pick yourself up?

                4. jojo says:

                  You dont have to explain anything to anyone….You are the only one you have to answer to…not some ranting and raving critic that doesn’t know you or your situation…Do what you can not what you cant!! :0)

            2. Les Johnson says:

              “My exhusband barely helped me in 18 months”

              Your own fault most likely.

              1. Cathy says:

                Easily said by a man who can walk away from his responsibilities.

                1. Jason says:

                  cathy, I dont really consider walking away from my two boys 4 1/2 and 2 an option.

            3. I care says:

              I usually do not respond, but this is exactly why we have the programs we do. Some people plan on staying home to raise their children and that is THEIR JOB which is not an easy one. Unfortunately things happen in someone’s life and they may need some extra help. So to those who are judging Amy raise 2 kids on your own, make breakfast, lunch, and dinner for them, get them off to school, put them to bed, clean the house, do the laundry oh and don’t forget to go to work full-time to pay the bills. This is a sore spot for me because I have a friend in the same situation and her soon to be ex-husband is not helpful and I work in the social services

          4. Always in favor of less government says:

            Excellent point, Jason.

          5. Justin says:

            This is right! Way to say it Jason! Finally someone on here with half a brain! And its not tied behind his back.

          6. besty says:

            I to am a provider and unfortunalty due to the economy self paid familes are now few and far. And Alot of these so called goverment funded families never were before they lost there jobs and other things. So before you speak stop and think of others situation and why they may have no choice but to get a little help to get back where they where, and survive and take care of there kids, do you think they liked doing this no so don’t be so judgemental and count your blessings every day.

        2. Paul says:

          I say, take out the “in there” in the last statement on this post. Dayton has about as much with the “common people” as the Queen of England, a ton of wealth he did NOT earn, He has the brains of a head of lettuce, no offense to the lettuce

        3. soda says:

          Dayton does not represent the common people. He and his family are rich. By the way, they have their money in South Dakota. So even he won’t be paying the taxes he’s proposing. Also, don’t take on the social service moms, there are plenty of families out there who need daycare that could pay you. This sounds like your problem, not the governments.

        4. GN says:

          Sorry Deb but I believe the Unionist Dems controlled the legislature when Pawlenty was governor. The silly part is the less than 7% of the private sector is unionized and with the help of Dear Amy, the public sector now has 36+% unionization. I think it would be neat if some of public sector jobs were off shored. I can be done without a problem especially the clerical departments. This would also include the most of the DMV.

      3. jimmy says:

        @Satcy Take all the GOP members in the house add all there votes together and Dayton still had more. If it’s what the people want then we should pass Daytons budget.

        1. Justin says:

          Jimmy. What is wrong with you? Don’t you remember the election with Dayton barely skimming passed Emmer? I seem to remember it was almost a dead heat. Emmer won handily in most all outstate Minnesota precincts. If it hadn’t been for the metro area and its voters with their hands out, it wouldn’t have even been a contest. By the way….your argument for the votes for house members versus votes for governor is all wet also! Everyone in the state who votes, votes for the Governor, House members are voted on it small areas they come from.

      4. Jeff says:

        Get real Stacy! Grow up and get educated!

      5. Shirl Mann says:

        Stacy,,,the Gop is looking out for their wealthy friends again Dayton should hold out for the 2 % paying their share.What part of that do you not understand? The repub’s have taken away your negotiating rights’, for a respectable wage ,benefits, safety regulations, and decent work ethics, they want to down size medicare,soc.sec. & veterans benefits.I’m with Governor Dayton on this one. How many of the gop party have signed this pledge with Norbert Nodquist,saying they would never raise taxs while they’re in office ? bachman has and most of the republican party candidates.

        1. Mark Too says:

          I reading a lot of post that are advocating that the top 2% “pay their fair share”. Everyone paying their “fair share” is a good thing. I will not argue that. I’ve also read may post in past articles that no one has disputed . . . approx. 50% of Minnesotans pay very little state income tax, most of them (the 50%) pay no state income tax at all.

          If we are advocating that everyone pay their fair share, I’d submit that all of those people who are paying no state taxes are the one who are not paying their fare share. Bottom line, if you use state services, you should help contribute to the resources needed to provide those services.

      6. Anwar says:

        One man who was elected by a majority.

    3. It's the Governor says:

      I bet you think when the government shut down in 2005 it was Governor Pawlenty’s fault. I would agree. But now it’s Governor Dayton’s fault. If the legislature passes a budget then it’s the Governor’s decision to veto it and shut down the government. It doesn’t matter what party controls the legislature or what party is governor.

      It’s also Governor Dayton’s decision to reject the lights on offer.

    4. Its both parties says:

      The state house and the state senate both passed a budget that mark dayton vetoed. Saying the GOP moves to force a shut down is not very accurate? Both parties are at fault in this!

      1. CHESTER says:

        If you people would have read the budget peposal that the rebublicans sent to Gov.Dayton you would have vetoed it also ! the rebublicans are hoping to get a federal stimulus that may or may not come through and layoff 5000 state employees aswell as huge increases to the middle class this isn’t fair or realisic to try………………………….actually this is political suicide by the rebublicans as they hold us hostage!

        1. Layoff? says:

          What layoff of 5000 employees? BTW, Governor Dayton’s budget also proposes layoffs of state works.

          What huge increases (taxes?) to the middle class?

          Most of the spending increase in the budget is going to DHS. This is so that folks on welfare don’t have to cut back after the increase caused by federal stimulus.

        2. weird argument says:

          A. Who is “you people?”
          B. Sometimes people get laid off, happens at my company all the time.
          C. Who said life is fair?
          D. The hostage line doesn’t make sense.

    5. Deb says:

      sorry you are wrong!

    6. Tom F says:

      I would love to hear the Historical Facts that Trickle down Economics works. Im not talking about when our country was founded. but recent activitiy within the past 20 YEARs that shows your point.
      Stating something is factual doesnt make it factual.

      1. Johnathon says:

        The reagon years after Jimmy Carter. He cut unemploymnet in half, interest rates went way down. tax revenues went way up and oil prices went down.

        1. sw says:

          He also left the biggest budget deficit up to that point in time.

      2. John L says:

        I don’t believe in trickle down economics either. Setting up five generations with trust funds does not create more wealth for America.

        1. TJ says:

          With millions of dollars infamily weatlh secured in South Dakota trust funds, I think we can agree it is working for Mark Dayton. At least he won’t have to worry about that pesky 2% tax he’s proposing.

          1. TJ2 says:

            What differance does it make where it is. It’s still income and taxed by MN.

    7. jim says:

      why do conservatives continuously cite incorrect or no facts? why do they resort to name calling so very very often?

      sorry, bob, but you are wrong, wrong, wrong on every single point you try to make. history has shown that cutting taxes on the rich does NOT produce jobs.

      1. Explain it to me then Jim.... says:

        Can someone in here PLEASE explain to me why a “rich” person should have to spread their wealth more just because they did something right with their life? Isn’t this a “free” country where we are able to make as much as we want? Why is it that people think they are entitled to others money because they are “rich”? It makes no sense to me so someone with some intelligence please explain this to me and have a compelling answer instead of the whole “well they just don’t pay enough” when we all know they pay in plenty of money, I’m not talking percent they pay I am talking cold hard cash that is paid in. Example let’s say I make 1 million and I pay in 10% to taxes(which I believe it is more than 10%), that is $100,000.00 paid to taxes. That is more than most make combined in a year. Please explain!!!!!!

        1. Ron says:

          and give it to 3 or 4 familys that made the wrong decisions all their life, dropped out of high school had a half dozen kids, no known father, did drugs got caught, got a record, can’t get a job, on welfare, foodstamps, free medicial, free college for the kids, and biggest decision to make all day is wether to watch Montel Williams or the Price is Right.

        2. Neille Sawyer says:

          See the response to your same question above. It is not about total actual dollars it is about the percent of you income that you pay. No one will ever convince me that just because you managed to make over a certain amount per year you are somehow entitled to pay less than your fair share. If I make $80,000 a year and am required to pay 28% of my income in taxes, how in any way is it fair for those who make over $1,000,000 to use your figure to only have to pay what equals 10% of their income as taxes. Yet somehow every time this comes up those who are the richest manage to make sure they pay less as a percentage than anyone else.

          1. Still no real explanation??? says:

            Neille, you still don’t make sense, I am not talking percentage here I am talking cold hard dollars paid in. How in any way is 100,000 not a fair share if it is paying double what you and I are? Still no real answer, I am asking people on here to not look at percentage I am asking you to look at cold hard cash paid in because that is what the bottom line is.

          2. Please explain???? says:

            Neille,
            One more quick question? If you are talking about “fairness” here then why do I not see you complaining about the ones that don’t pay “any” income taxes? Should they not have to pay their “fair” share as well? There are people out there that get all of what they paid back in a tax return. Am I not correct in this statement? I am not trying to be the “bear” here I am just asking you to explain to me and the fact that you use the example that they don’t pay the same percentage as you but in the same sentence you don’t mention the people that make let’s say $15,000 a year and pay no income tax.

            1. Linda says:

              Yeah, shame on them for living high on the $1250 per month income that $15,000 per year provides.

          3. Jim says:

            Neille,
            The actual numbers are …
            Rate Married joint
            5.35 percent $0- $33,770
            7.05 percent $33,771- $134,170
            7.85 percent $134,171 and up

            How do you do you math to come up with a number that says higher income people don’t pay as much as you do?

            By the way … these numbers are straight off the Minnesota Department of Revenue web page.

            http://taxes.state.mn.us/individ/pages/residency_and_filing_status_filing_requirments_for_individuals_inctxrates.aspx

            1. Alfred says:

              You are wasting your time. Facts and logic make no sense to liberals.

              1. kieron says:

                This from the no-facts crowd that panders and engages in demagoguery? The crowd that would rather ban something that’s already illegal here rather than focus on the real issues?

                1. Citizen says:

                  Minnesota should look at North dakota, less than 3 percent unemployment. the tv show “how the states got their shapes” reported folks from around the world are moving to the “Silicon Prairie”. the state has a low corporate tax rate, which attracts businesses from around the country.

                  liberal Minnesota should take note.

              2. Ha Ha Your Parents Were Weird says:

                Alfred (funny name)

            2. Cache says:

              There is a difference between a tax table and what is paid. Somewhere on the website is the study where they look at total taxes paid versus income. You need to look at total taxes paid to judge what people are paying in taxes.

        3. stubby says:

          they can’t explain it. It’s class warfare at it’s finest.

        4. TJ2 says:

          For one thing you don’t pay 10%, second if you have more income you have more at stake if things go bad. Third if you have $1million in taxable income you wouldn’t even miss the extra 2% being taken.

          1. QUIT using a percentage!!! says:

            WHAT???? TJ2 what? I am just dumbfounded at your comment. “If you have more income you have more at stake if things go bad”? Are you seriously serious with that comment? Why is it you still cannot explain to me without using a percentage, instead using cold hard cash paid in? Why are you not complaining about the people that pay no income tax? Seriously can any Democrat in this chat give me a real explanation? Even a Republican please explain to me the logic. QUIT using a percentage I am talking “straight cash homey” that is paid in. To all that think it is not a “fair” percent well get over it life isn’t fair and the so called “poor” don’t pay their fair share either so complain about them to.

        5. Jim says:

          I’m not sure if you’re addressing me, but… I’m a registered Democrat, and personally I support the flat tax. I think 10% is a bit low, but I’d support everyone paying 10-20%.

          The problem is both rich and poor, in my opinion. Many rich people have accountants and exploit tax loopholes, and many poor people work the system and don’t pay anything, only collect. We should eliminate tax loopholes–everyone pays the same, no matter what. We should reduce the time people can spend on unemployment. 99 weeks or whatever it is is ridiculous.

    8. Dan says:

      Minnesota is arleard ranked as the 2nd most un-friendly of the lower 48… what’s taking a little more off-the-top going to make any difference? )

      #2 MINNESOTA
      State Income Tax: 5.35%-7.85%
      State Sales Tax: 6.875% (cities and counties can add another 2.65%)
      Estate Tax/Inheritance Tax: No/No
      Minnesota offers retirees cold comfort on the tax front. Social Security income is taxed to the same extent it is taxed on your federal return. Pensions are taxable regardless of where your pension was earned. Income-tax rates are high, and sales taxes can reach 9.53% in some cities. Food, clothing, and prescription and nonprescription drugs are exempt from sales taxes. The North Star State does offer some residents 65 and older who have income of $60,000 or less the option of deferring a portion of their property tax. But this is a low-interest loan, not a tax-forgiveness program.

      http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/194538-10-tax-unfriendly-states-retirees-2011-a.html

    9. Mary says:

      thank God for the GOP. It is time and past time to STOP the tax and spend mentality. Dayton is as stupid and assine in his comments as Dumboma.

    10. Greg says:

      Read the article, Jimmy. The Republicans are trying to get Dayton to call a special session so that they can vote for a “lights on” bill. In other words, they’d keep the ENTIRE state government running at current funding levels to prevent a shutdown and give them additional time to come to an agreement.Why would Dayton and the Dems do this? They do it because they don’t want an agreement unless the Republicans completely cave and give them everything they want.

    11. Matt says:

      You couldn’t be more inaccurate, this is 100% on Dayton and no one else. He’s the greedy trust fund baby who’s doing nothing but pandering to the unions and trying to increase the size of an already bloated government. Give me a break. The guy won’t even call a special session.

    12. dayton is to blame says:

      Okay GOP has basically said we are in a recession and need to make some tough decisions….the democrats response as always is to blame and tax the supposed rich and ignore the problems that got us in this mess with wild spending. Minnesota is flooded by immigrants (somali) who don’t work and are too lazy to get jobs. The state has WAY TOO MANY people who are out of work for decades and get health insurance and welfare that are top notch and give nothing back. The republicans are facing these hard facts with realistic solutions and some moderate cuts in spending across the board….Dayton is so dead set on punishing the perceived rich (most farmers make over 180k per year) he is blind to other solutions.

      Dayton is an idiot and I blame him 100%!!!!

    13. Bb says:

      Shut her down, let the Republicans play their manipulative game to protect their friends and allies in the top 2 percent from paying their fair share of taxes. I will remember this in 2012 as will many tax payers, Repubs were unwilling to compromise and were more interested in protecting their friends in the top 2 percent. What needs to be done is a recall of the Repubs that refuse to compromise and do what is right for the majority in this state, not the minority 2 percent.

    14. Joycene Ryan says:

      Couldn’t agree with you more. Plenty of Nothing egging them on
      while taking no responsibility for the mess he created makes me ill.

  2. Bill Clinton says:

    AS the Mark Dayton moves to force a shut down of state government the Legislature has ready met him halfway. Mark Dayton with his my way or the highway mentality will cost this state hundreds of millions of dollars.

    You had a few typos jimmy. I fixed them for you.

    1. Go Mark says:

      jimmy has it right. The GOP plan means higher taxes for middle and lower income Minnesotans and no taxes for the wealthy.

      1. Cindy says:

        The only one that has proposed higher taxes is Dayton. Get it right.

        1. Go Mark says:

          Cindy – Higher Taxes for the wealthy only. If you make more than $300,000 per year or more, that will mean you. I am all for that. .Those who gain the most, should pay the most. The words “Minnesota Taxes” should be changed to “Invest in Minnesota”.

          1. cindy says:

            150k for single, 250k for married. Thats not rich by anyones standard. Thats upper middle class. This Dayton tax would make minnesota the highest state taxes in the country. Do you really want that.

            1. Les Johnson says:

              250k for a married couple is upper middle class?

              What part of Lake Minnetonka do you live on, Cindy?

              1. cindy says:

                andover, teacher and salesman.

                1. Les Johnson says:

                  And you think a quarter million doesn’t get you entrance into the “well off folks” category?

            2. ps says:

              Are you kidding! i wish i made that kind of money! why do you care anyway, you are not going to get the higher tax anyway! To me it sounds like the rich are getting a little greedy!

              1. cindy says:

                My husband works 60 hours a week and we spend every extra dollor we have for our two children in college. Yes we will get hammered by the dayton tax.

                1. Brian says:

                  Wow Cindy, you have money to send your kids to college? Most of us are paying off our college loans for 30 years. Lucky kids you have! And you think you’re in the middle class still?

                  W.O.W.

                2. cindy says:

                  Brian if my husband did not work 60 hours a week, we to would have to take out additional loans for college. We choose to try and pay for it instead of a loan. Maybe you should try it. It feels good to not owe anyone and take no handouts.

              2. TJ says:

                That’s like being told by a mugger that I’m being greedy when I refuse to give him my wallet. Too funny!

            3. Tom F says:

              Cindy where are you getting this information. You are SERIOUSLY Misguided.

                1. TJ says:

                  Cindy, you will never convince these fools. They are simply the have-nots who live for today. They don’t understand that some people have worked very, very hard to get where they are – they would rather wish they had more and just steal from you. It’s amazing how libs think government is enititled to everyting you own and the fact you get to keep some of it qualifies as a subsidy. The Mark Dayton wrecking ball needs to be stopped. Shut it down and quit talking about it already.

                2. Clay says:

                  First off, this is Cindy’s money! She works just as hard as you and I. I make about 20% of what Cindy and her husband make. Why should she be taxed at a higher percent than me? Do we both not use the same resources in this state? Why should she be charged more for something than me? The government is not entitled to more of her money just because her family’s situation. She has had more success than me and deserves to have that money for her family. I am sure she also financially contributes a lot more money into local businesses and other areas than we do because she has more money. That is what makes America so great! I am striving to further my education and make more money (on my own by the way). When I do make more, I deserve to what I earn. I should not be taxed at a higher rate than anyone else. If we keep going down this path of let’s raise taxes on the upper 2% by just a small amount then eventually we are going to start equalizing incomes. Where does it stop? This is America! There should be motivation to earn more and be more productive.

                3. Jason says:

                  I am with Cindy on this.

                4. Always in favor of less government says:

                  Cindy, you do not have to justify anything to the jealous replies who would be the first to howl if their taxes were getting raised. This is still America the last time I checked, where you don’t have to stop striving for greatness once you make enough to “just get by.”

            4. Diesel211 says:

              Cindy I truley do mean this with all do respect, but I make 68K a year and they throw me into the upper end of the middle class. So to me anyone making 150k may not be rich, but is definately well off. But honestley it does not matter what denomination you make each year it matters what lifestyle you lead!!!

              1. weird argument says:

                I make $25,000 a year, so to me, you are well-off. See the problem with your argument?

        2. Deb says:

          Cindy your the one that is incorrect, but both sides have the blame. Time for them to stick it to the rich instead of the middle class and poor!!!

      2. Stacy says:

        Maybe it is time for the lower income to start paying their fair share instead of sponging off the rest of us!

        1. Paulie says:

          You got that right!!!!!!!!!!!!

        2. outragedinNWMN says:

          Wow! Really think pretty highly of your self don’t you! Do you know how hard it is for people to ask for assistance or be “lower” class??? Seriously wish the shoe was on the other foot for just one month, maybe then you would understand what they have to go through!! Granted there are those who do “sponge off the rest of us” but don’t lump all of them into it!! Until you ARE lower class don’t talk trash until you know how it is!! I think it is pretty sad that you could have this kind of view of people who are “lower” then you! Maybe you should be put in a position of loosing your job and then your house and see how it feels!!

          1. Tammy with 3 says:

            Hey guess what I have. I have been through an awful divorce, lost a job, lost my home and had to move into rental housing. My ex owes me over 50K in child support and guess what, I worked full time and part time and put my self through college. Never collected an effin dime from the state or my ex for that matter.

            Cry me a river. I am still trying to dig out from that and I still do not collect assistance. Get out and get a job or two or three, but quit sponging off the system. If you need TEMPORARY help so be it, but for the lifers who collect welfare, section 8, food stamps, medical, the faucet needs to be turned off.

            Enough is enough.

            1. Les Johnson says:

              How could he owe you 50k in child support? Unless that “awful” divorce was about 10 years ago already…

            2. Critical Thinking says:

              Tammy with 3,
              I have been in a similar situation with young children, barely enough money for the necessities (food, water, and shelter). Thankfully, when you daughters were young (twin daughters) I qualified for the WIC program. I felt uncomfortable about receiving the money, but I knew it would benefit my children. I also worked three jobs in order to survive. Now, at almost 50 years of age, I find myself unemployed (after much younger people replaced me at half my wages–which were close to $50,000 a year). Even returning to school was frightening for me, but I did it. I can receive unemployment, and I do, because I paid my taxes for the right to receive temporary help. Granted, many abuse the system, which negatively reflects on those who are desperate for any type of help (food shelves, lower income housing, or other options). Curiously, I am taking courses in Human Services, and it is surprising how many resources are available that do not depend on the government. The point is, we all will need help at some time in our lives, and depending on your age, life situation, and financial situation, the short-term resources can help us (without having to depend on family or friends). Governor Dayton proposes to limit the cuts on these valuable resources, and I am all for that. Sure, in medieval times there were no cell phones, but people managed. Does that mean we should act like we’re in the dark ages? Or do we accept that “times are changing”, and sometimes, in order to at least obtain the minimal items to exist, we need the “helping hands”. Walk a mile in someone else’s shoes, and you may see things differently.

          2. cry me a river says:

            Hey outraged. Doesn’t look to hard to me. Ever live by Section 8 housing?

          3. Deb says:

            I second that!!!!!

          4. sick of entitled people says:

            You know this statement by you can and will be throwed back at you.. Why Blame the rich for being rich, for working hard to get to where they are at? Taking something that they earned and giving it to someone who has not earned it will only instill a worthless work ethic and tell future rich people to say why should i work so hard when the gov’t. takes all my hard earning away? It’s per socialism at it’s finest..

          5. weird argument says:

            I hear the government if offering free diaper changes as it’s deemed a critical service… stop by and get yours changed.

        3. Sam I am says:

          You are right.

          How much more do the welfare people think they need. Seriously as it is they have the best cars, shoes, cell phones, internet. If they get that much money it needs to be cut. Welfare is for the neediest, not leeches like some of the people who collect it.

          This falls squarely on Dayton – and more and more people are realizing that.

          1. just sayin says:

            Oh hilarous thing the other day – homeless people getting all their free clothing over at the dorthy day center… and a lot of them had cell phones! HMMMMM….

        4. ps says:

          the thing is Stacy, we already are paying a higher tax percentage than you are. Maybe if you would pay your fair share we could make Minnesota a great place to live, a great place for new business.

          1. Bill Clinton says:

            Minnesota tax rates are 5.35%, 7.05% and 7.85%. Can you pease show all of us the “lower” higher rate for the top 2% please??? The tax incidence study is as faulty as they get but most do not have the brain cells to understand that.

        5. Jon says:

          whle i’ve never taken any a penny of assistance, i will say that helping those in need is the only thing left that makes this country great. The fact that there are people like you who have clealy never seen adversity and are so willing to spit on those that have disgust me. Where is your sense of humanity. and fyi, some of those “sponges” work harder than most wealthy have to. Get off your high horse!

          1. Tammy with 3 says:

            THe people that collect welfare, section 8, foodstamps, medical assistance year after year after year do not work harder then me because they do not work at all.

            I agree helping people who are genuinely disabled are exempt. Anyone who sponges year after year, having child after child, they should be cut off.

            1. jim says:

              just how many people are there who “sponge year after year after year”?

              i’d like to see actual real numbers.

              personally, i suspect those numbers are far less than you seem to imply.

                1. Cathy says:

                  Then when are we going to start complaining about the corporations who are getting millions more in govt welfare than any struggling disabled person is. If you are against welfare for one, then being against welfare for all. Oh, and by the way, stop taking the tax deduction for your mortgage interest on your first (and second if you have one) homes. Because that is me (AND MY HARD EARNED Tax dollars) subsidizing your housing. And yes, I have a job. I pay taxes. I have sent in extra taxes this year and I give away 10% of my income to charity.

          2. Jason says:

            Your statement lacks 2 things, facts and figures.

        6. Jim says:

          You got that right! The problem is almost 1/2 of the people in MN think they have the right to live on someone else taxes. Its a free country so get your butt out and work 1, 2, 3 jobs and pay for your own stuffs.

          1. Deb says:

            Sorry those that run people down have NO CLUE about their lives!!! You people work hard I am sure, but I pray you fall on hard times, or get sick, run out your accounts, your health insurance and need help… we will then see what you have to say!!! I know people who have worked their butts off their whole life, and someone gets sick in the family and it drains everything!! Single moms are told to work, well great… suppose you are, and trying to go to school, while a deadbeat dad (that also made that child) doesn’t pay support!! I say if they are gonna go that route then all men that make two kids out of wedlock be dealt with!!!!!!!! I know several that have 8 kids!!! Everyone a different mom! I hope that you republicans learn a lesson the hardest way possible!!!!!!!!

            1. Les Johnson says:

              “Single moms are told to work, well great… suppose you are, and trying to go to school, while a deadbeat dad (that also made that child) doesn’t pay support!!”

              BS

              If he has a job, you can get money for child support. Dads all over the country are living in run down shacks, cheap efficiency apartments, and driving 1986 Hondas so the county can steal their support money and give it to the custodial mom to spend on her new POS boyfriend all the while keeping the kid from the dad. This is how the system REALLY works.

              1. Jinger Pulkrabek says:

                I have an 8 year old son and have NEVER seen one penny of child support. I also work one full time salaried job plus another part time job on the side, but I still cannot afford medical care for my child and I without MN Care, for which I do pay what the state determines to be a fair rate. You would take that away from me so you and yours can go on some glamorous vacation? And then sit and tell me that it’s my fault that my son’s test scores suffer because I spend all of my time working instead of doing his homework with him? We cannot afford a vacation, and every day I regret having to work so much that I barely get any time to spend with my son. And then you all tell me that I am a bad parent and that it is up to the family to educate their children… Open your eyes people!!!! Without MN CARE, if I get sick the whole house of cards comes tumbling down and we have no income…. Have a little compassion, people. Most of us “lower cl;ass people” work as much as we possibly can and can still barely make ends meet.

                1. Jonas says:

                  Maybe you should’ve used planned parenthood for one of their resources. Then you wouldn’t have an 8 year old. But liberals like yourself make people like me pay for your kid either way.

                2. Les Johnson says:

                  “I have an 8 year old son and have NEVER seen one penny of child support.”

                  That is YOUR OWN FAULT.

              2. besty says:

                dead beat dads got from job to job just so they don’t have to pay support thats a fact!!

            2. Jason says:

              deb, you wish hard times on another. Very compassionate. Like a lib. If you dont agree than I will kick and scream at you. Grow up.

            3. weird argument says:

              God would never answer a prayer that wishes ill on others. Just saying.

          2. Bekki says:

            Absolutely agree!! TEMPORARY assistance is one thing… but those that continue to depend on assistance (and are raising children who will collect, who will raise children who will collect…) are the ones that hurt MN the most. The “entitlement” cycle MUST be stopped.

        7. Dini says:

          YOU GO STACY!! AGREE COMPLETELY!!!

          DEB–SO just because you may work hard be very successful in your life you should pay a higher percentage of taxes than the less successful person paying a lower percentage?? It’s not the $$ amount of taxes, it’s the percentage of tax that is unfair. The top 2% is 44,000 people out of 2.4 million in the state of Minnesota. We should be dependant on 44,000 people and corporations to bail us out of this situation??? Where is the logic in that? Where are people’s motivation and drive to be their best?? Where is the damn motivation to work?? This society has become a truly lazy society as a whole. There needs to be cutbacks on programs!! People need to learn how to get out there and try to be successful and have goals. I will not say in certain situations there are not exceptions, but MANY people are too lazy and want to live of others and believe that they truly deserve it. Pretty soon your “RICH” will leave the states, (as many corporations already have because of taxes) and we will be in an even greater econmic strain.

          I am a middle class single mother who makes 45,000 a year working full time. I own a nice home, have a good paying job, and raises my son full time. I also CHOSE to pursue education, make goals in life and work hard. I consider myself moderately successful, but when 3 of my so-called friends are sitting at home on their butts everyday for the last year to two, collecting welfare or unemployment, when they are FULLY capable of working ANYWHERE, but choose to live off of everyone else that gets under my skin. Basically I feel that I’m paying for their laziness. NOW what’s truly fair here??? The successful rich probably feel pretty much the same way.

          1. Les Johnson says:

            The successful rich just gave themselves a 30 million dollar bonus for the year and don’t even know or care that you exist unless you accidentally give their 120k car a door ding.

            1. TJ says:

              Les, you’re sure throwing around a lot of unsupported stats. Sounds like Daytonspeak. Could be Obamaspeak. Hard to tell.

              1. dan says:

                Les probably created 12.5 million govt jobs over the past 15 months as well. Get back on your meds Lse

                1. Les Johnson says:

                  What meds?

                  “While CEO of 3M in 2008, George Buckley earned a total compensation of $12,182,410; which included a base salary of $1,720,000; a cash bonus of $2,844,074; stocks granted of $4,002,421; options granted of $3,363,492; and other compensation of $252,423.[5] In 2009, George Buckley earned a total compensation of $13,992,628, which included a base salary of $1,720,000, a cash bonus of $3,859,112, stocks granted worth $4,333,655, options granted of $3,757,572, and other compensation of $322,289.[6]”

                  So what were you saying again? Do you need more examples of the millionaires keeping themselves millionaires on the backs of the working poor?

            2. Dini says:

              One more statistic for you…directly from the IRS. “According to the IRS, the top 1 percent of income earners paid 38 percent of all federal income taxes in 2008, while the bottom half paid only 3 percent. Forty-nine percent of U.S. households paid no federal income tax at all.”

              49 PERCENT didn’t pay any taxes at all??? This is a truly disturbing stat. I think people out there really need to take a hard look at how much we already rely on the “rich” and corporation taxes. They may have these ridiculous jobs that pay them these stupid, outrageous bonuses and stock options, but my question is if that was you and you had a job like that what would you do?? Would you gladly hand over 35% for federal and typically 10% for state taxes? WOULD YOU REALLY hand over 45% of your income to taxes?? They do!!! Everyone complains about how much money they have and how they hide it, or get taxes breaks, but if you were in their shoes dont’ even say you wouldn’t do the same. You would and you know it. I can’t imagine paying 45% of my income out, even after tax deductions. We should all be grateful that they pick up 38% of our current taxes as is, or you oould only imagine what it would truly be like for the middle class.

          2. Weee! says:

            Dini– you’re what I’d call a real woman! Super glad there’s still a few left!

        8. Jason says:

          Aint that the truth! The amount of abuse of sec 8, food stamps, ebt cash card is crazy. I live in n mpls.

  3. Shirl Mann says:

    I hope some one tells the gop to forget about their wealthy friends who they already assised them to move their jobs overseas, and remember the middle class out here ,,who are paying their wages.

    1. chuck in st paul says:

      my, my… another economics major heard from
      It’s your class warfare that drove all those businesses out of state and out of country genius. Did you really think anyone would stay here and get economically raped for your benefit?

    2. Stopbegging says:

      The average income for a famer in MN is $200,000 per year. Farmers have never been the “wealthy” friends of the GOP. The liberals of the world tend to be the wealthiest. They do not want to help lower income, they believe those who are lower income can not do for themselves and the the superior liberals must do for them. Also creates quite a dependent class.
      Also, when small business owners and farmers(who fall into this top 2%) have to pay higher taxes, where do you think they will make up that difference. The cost of their product goes up, simple economics.
      The top 2% already pay the majority of the taxes in this state, they do more than their part. The lower wage earners in this state pay very little in taxes(both $ and %) yet they reap the most dollars than anyone. Stop punishing people for their success and responsibility. People really need to develop some responsibility and stop wanting to take more from people that are better off financially than them.

      1. jim says:

        clearly, your idea of what a liberal is, is incorrect. whether they are wealthy or not makes no difference. they are, however, more inclinded to help those who need it.

        1. weird argument says:

          A. Please enlighten us with the correct idea of a liberal.
          B. I don’t know what inclinded means
          C. If they want to help the poor so bad, then why aren’t they giving away every last cent they have extra to help ’em out?

      2. Les Johnson says:

        “The average income for a famer in MN is $200,000 per year.”

        Income as in their EBITDA number, or just raw income?

        That is a hugely misleading figure if it doesn’t take operating expenses into account.

        1. Keep it up city folk! says:

          Don’t even go there. I come from a family farm and $200,000 is conservative after operating costs, insurance, legal, ect. And guess what! If someone can go out there and earn a big income then GOOD! Farmers laugh all the way to the bank with subsidy checks in hand while snickering about how they fly under the radar of public scrutiny because no one thinks a farmer can be rich. Don’t believe me? Those checks are a matter of public record and if you still don’t believe that, then just go sit in any lil cafe in any lil Minnesota farming town and listen to the old men shoot the sheet. hehe… still laughing

  4. wade says:

    Don’t be rediculous. The Republicans are taking the my way or the highway mentality. All Dayton wants is for everyone to be taxed equally. Give him that one and the doors will open. If government gets shut down, it’s 100% the Republican’s fault. They have the majority, and don’t want to compromise. I wonder how the taxpayer will take the State Park shutdown. Can you say “Recall Election”?

    1. FUBAR says:

      yep, recall that dictator of a Governor that I did not vote for!!!

      1. GCR says:

        Glad to know who’s vote really counts and gets to decide who is Governor

      2. CHESTER says:

        better yet lets have a recall on ALL rebublicans commies that I didn’t vot for

    2. Jason says:

      Dose Dayton have the power to pick parts of the budget and sign some into law and others not. Instead of vetoing the entire bill. This is what needs to be addressed. Oh and DAYTON DO YOUR JOB!

    3. JP says:

      “To be taxed equally?” Are you dense? The wealthy already pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than the middle or low income folks do. If we want “equal” taxes then all people should be paying the exact same percentage in income tax regardless of income. So lets call a spade a spade…you just want the wealthy to pay a ridiculously high percentage to support the government services that go for the others. Lets see…that sounds just like they did in the Soviet Union or Cuba.

      1. melpamn says:

        You want to call a spade a spade, than do just that and stop being ignorant. Review the 2011 Minnesota Department of Revenue Tax Incident study. When you combine all taxes, local, sales, property…the wealthiest pay less overall percentage than the middle class. A $100 property tax hike for someone making 22,000 is a far larger and greater percentage and issue than a $100 property tax hike on someone making 400,000. The GOP likes to use what I call “fuzzy” math. And this budget will do just that; shift the burden onto middle class working families, all the while cutting services needed. “During Pawlenty’s two terms as Governor, property taxes rose a stunning $2.5 billion-more than the previous 16 year combined…an approximate 250 percent increase.” Think I am just spouting some liberal, tree hugging propaganda…-those were the exact words from GOP Governor Arne Carlson on his blog. Carlson also goes on to list how Pawlenty “balanced” the budget by taking money from tobacco settle, borrowing against our schools, and delaying bill payments. The GOP is the party of smoke and mirrors and it is time people realized that Minnesota needs sound budget fixes, not shifty accounting tactics and cuts to local government aid, which in turn only adds to the growing disparity between the well off and the middle class. Do some research with an opened mind or maybe just a mind at all.

        1. Les Johnson says:

          Ok, I have to ask, melpamn…

          Who out there is really making 22,000 per year. I mean come on. 10 bucks an hour? I don’t believe any adult would or could have a home and a car and food for that. No way.

          The 22,000 a year jobs are the kids’ jobs, not the adult jobs.

          1. Work together already says:

            Many “adults” make that for a full time job in MN. In fact, a large population of school employees make that as paraeducators, necessary for the support of medically fragile and students with special needs. (And that is statewide…metro included.)These individuals are deemed highly qualified and many have the equivalent if a 2 year degree. Many that i have hired have a teaching license.
            Setting that population aside, visit Beltrami County…

            1. Les Johnson says:

              Anybody who has a college degree that is making 22000 per year is a moron.

              I totally disagree that many adults live and survive on 22k. Sorry. It doesn’t happen.

              If you make 22k per year, that’s your own darn fault for not doing anything about it, because that is a PATHETIC income.

              1. Anwar says:

                Many people make minimum wage or 8 to 9 dollars an hour. That gets them to under $20K per year. If someone does not have a college education, they may be in a job like this. You sound pretty out of touch to me.

          2. Keep it up city folk! says:

            You can in a small town! You whinny city slickers should wise up.

            1. Les Johnson says:

              I live in a town of 3000 people. There are no jobs there. And again, nobody is successful on 22k per year if they have even one bill to pay per month.

              Nobody thrives on 10 bucks an hour. Period.

        2. Cache says:

          Stop buying into their Class warfare!

      2. ps says:

        don’t you realize that the upper class is in a much better situation than the middle and lower. you know what i know middle class families that are barely able to put food on the table and you want to tax them more? what is wrong with you people!

    4. Middle of the road says:

      Wade, you are really funny man. Nice to see someone has a sense of humor this early in the AM. 50% of minnesotans pay no taxes at all, so yes I agree, lets tax EVERYONE equally. That way, the rich that already pay 74% of all taxes and then the other 40% middle class that pay the rest of the taxes can all get tax breaks. As for your recall reference, we just did that, you want to remove more Democrats from office? Wow man, you are cold.

      1. Les Johnson says:

        “50% of minnesotans pay no taxes at all”

        I think it’s 48%, but do you know who those people are?

        Or are they, in your mind, just the freeloaders?

        1. Cache says:

          EVERYONE must have skin in the game..some new rules should be put in effect…ALL must be fazed in 1) new tax system so ‘everyone’ must pay into it. 2) All illegals must leave – no freebies. 3) All welfare rats ‘must’ be moved to workfare. 4) Anyone on welfare/subsidies must have their vote suspended and returned when they get off the dole. 5) Term limits.

        2. dan says:

          Freeloaders! Unless 48% of our population lives in poverty. I dont think so Les ideas than a gnat.

          1. Les Johnson says:

            Wrong. Do you expect seniors in assisted living to pay income taxes? How about kids under 16 with no job? How about the permanently disabled? Should they be paying income taxes.

            Doesn’t sound like you used your squash to figure this one out.

        3. Keep it up city folk! says:

          I don’t pay taxes! I write every last thing I do off and make money to boot from the subsidies you give to me because I’m a poor farmer. Thank you!

    5. bob marcotte says:

      Right on!!! Dayton should be recalled.

    6. dan says:

      Lets tax everyone equally. have a flat tax of 15% and no deductions. That way the 50% of Minnesotans that dfont pay any taxes can pay their equal share. Great point Wade!

    7. Bill Clinton says:

      Wil Mark be lowering the 7.05 and 7.85% rates for higher income earners to 5.35% as it is for the lower income earners? Or will he be raising the 5.35 and 7.05% brackets to 7.85%? Please, do tell. I want to hear your version of equal. Or are some people “more equal” than others???

  5. steve says:

    i blame every one of them, from the governor on down. they’re all to blame. they need to get the job done. to allow the shutdown to take place is irresponsible, on all their parts.

    1. laura says:

      Steve
      you are so correct everyone of them should be ashamed of themselves. I hope when the govt shut down goes into effect and they come back to their districts , they get such an earful that they will learn to play nice, get their work done, and both sides will stop whining about the other party! they are worse than my preschoolers

  6. Fred says:

    It’s BOTH parties fault!!! Quit being so brain-washed about what “party” you belong to and the kool-aid they make you drink…. ALL politicians are at fault here

    1. GCR says:

      Nailed it Fred. Both parties are equally to blame. Everything has been geard toward political posturing for 2012. maybe they all need to stop listening to the Party instructions and start listening to the people who elected them. That would probably require to much inependent thinking for any of them.

      1. I say "Good job politicians!" says:

        They should start listening to the people who elected them? Are you daft, man? That would overturn the entire political apple cart of American society!

        A politician’s job is to wallow in the public trough, vote for his/her own pay and benefit increases each year, find new things to tax in new ways, and spend at least 125% of all tax revenues collected. That’s what a politician is for!

        Balance the budget. Indeed. Listen to the public voice. Indeed. Do something sensible or reasonable. INDEED and INDEED!

        Don’t be so hard on these elected officials. It’s time to lower the bar on our expectations of them. If we elected these wonderful people for life instead of imposing unreasonable term limits, they would be more prone not to worry about their own re-election and instead concentrate their efforts solely on fleecing the public – which is what we elected them to do in the first place, right?

    2. Jason says:

      OK, where have you been for the last 6 months. Stadium this stadium that. That has been daytons focus. He has had plenty of time to sign a balanced buget March 2011. Whats about last Sunday, he left negotiations on the budget to play with his friends, whats up with that? Continue to keep your head in the sand, dont expect others to do the same.

      1. melpamn says:

        All the while the GOP legislatures worked on DOZENS of Constitutional amendments for the 2012 ballot. Really? You have months to work on a budget but instead you work on banning gay marriage, which isn’t even legal here. Come on. I stand with Dayton. I stand to lose my job July 1, but it is better than losing a great state to live and play in and my morals and values. Sounds like 63 percent of us are also with Dayton on raising revenue and making cuts…not just cuts alone.

        1. Middle of the road says:

          Melpamn, did you bother to read any news lately or do you just listen to the democrat side of things? The republicans are proposing a 5.6% increase in the state budget, but that is not enough of an increase for Dayton of the Democrats. I understand you live in a bubble and that bubble has treated you well, not great, but well. For hose of us that do not work for the government, a 5.6% increase would be like manna from heaven. since 2000 government spending has increased 214%, while I can tellyou that my income has increased less than 10% in those same 11 years. So you tell me who is greedy and who is beign responsible?

  7. chuck in st paul says:

    I wonder at the ignorant drivel that gets posted. Rich people pay way more than you do. Way more. This economic penis envy is truly out of control lately. All Dayton and the other kleptocrats want to do is take all your money and then they’ll decide how to spend it. As usual. Enough already.

    When you lose your job or your overtime you cut back on expenses or go bankrupt. The same rules apply to governments. The Legislature is merely trying to use some fiscal sanity but good old tax-and-spend Dayton wants more bread and circuses. Taxing the rich is a simple minded game of begger thy neighbor. It always results in the flight of money to safer waters leaving behind… Detroit.

  8. Jack says:

    Just as he was voted WORST Senator, he will also win that title for his ability to not Govern… “Abadi abadi abadi aba- That’s all Folks!”

  9. northern minnesota says:

    This government shut down is hurting Minnesota already. Even if they deside not to shut down. People are already making plans out of state. I know that we are going out of state. Yesterday i spoke with a gentleman that drove three hours just to take his son in the the DMV for his learners permit, because the DMV’s were already closing down. Who is paying for all this over time for these legislatures? That is hurting us even more.

  10. tuna-free dolphin says:

    Does this mean no DWI enforcement this weekend? Woo hoo! Tonight I’m gonna party like it’s 1999. (don’t tell anyone) Seriously though, I think this shut down will be about as exciting a popcorn fart. Just like they said the world would end on Y2K, I bet nothing will feel any different for those of us pulling the wagon. We’ll keep going to work to pay the spendaholics at the capital. The entitlement class may feel the pinch, but hey, that’s life as a government dependent, right?

    1. Cache says:

      Stupidity on your part once again. Please go out drunk so one of the 600 state troopers can find you.

  11. Triple J says:

    The rich do not pay the same percentage of taxes as everyong else! They pay way less. They pay the majority of the taxes as they have the most money! Make them pay their fair share!!!!!!

  12. TONY JOSEPH says:

    JP the wealthy actually pay a lower percentage of their income to Taxes. Plus Governess Pawlenty gave millionaires a permanent $57,000 tax cut or 5.7%, which means $570,000 extra in their pocket over the last 10 years. Someone making $50,000 got a $500 tax cut or 1% or $5,000. over the last 10 years. The middle income cash went into the economy helping it chug along. The rich tax cuts went into housing, crops and futures, ruining the economy. nuff said

    1. Middle of the road says:

      Tony, The governor does nto write any laws, he can only approve or veto anything presented to him by the legislature. So if you want to blame tax cuts for the wealthy on anyone, it woudl be the DEMOCRATS and large Marge. Did you sleep in high school civics class or what?

  13. Wu says:

    It IS both parties fault. What did we expect? We elected a Republican House and Senate to do one thing, and a Democrat Govenor to do the opposite. And since the only thing these elected officials care about is following party lines, here we are. And they can get away with it, because of the bozos like many of you commenting that come with the mentality, my side is right and your side is wrong.
    I can’t believe that people think the rich don’t pay their fair share of taxes. They pay a higher percentage, and in terms of real dollars, much, much more than the middle class. (By the way, I make about 45k, so I’m not speaking for my own benefit). I just don’t understand how people can think that every time there is a budget deficit, every time the State wants to spend more money, that we should just tax the rich. Where will it end? The more incentive we take away for these people (and more importantly, these large Corporations) to make money in our State, the more likely the will leave and take their money and jobs somewhere else.

    1. Sarah in Outstate MN says:

      Wu, I agree completely, both sides have to share in the blame.

  14. Heidi says:

    I think we should get these people on welfare and who are abled body to get off of welfare and get a job and make them pay their fare share!!!!

    1. Yep says:

      You see the problem is the rich folks with their wonderful tax cuts were supposed to be giving those people jobs. Unfortunately, the idea that lower taxes on the rich creates jobs is bogus.

      1. Heidi says:

        I have to say that the papers are all filled with “want ads”!

        1. I So Tupid says:

          That’s just idiotic, newspapers don’t even run job ads anymore, they post them online, so you are just saying something to sound…………..dumb?

  15. Heidi says:

    I met “fair” share.

  16. Dayton wants a shutdown says:

    If Dayton wanted to avoid a shutdown he would have called a special session and started talking to the GOP sooner instead of waiting so long to do it.

    1. Yep says:

      Your opinion. I would rather he stay the course than give in to the GOP without any compromising on their part.

    2. Patty says:

      Why call a special session when they can’t balance the budget. Do you want the legislature to sit around and collect pay and per diem for doing NOTHING.
      The legislature should not be paid for a special session. We one have one person that will look out for the middle class. Dayton stand your ground.

  17. hawkeyeter says:

    It is time to “shut er down” Let’s see what is essential and what is fluff and waste. After a few days you reassess and figure out what to incorporate back into the system and if you survive w/o it, there are your programs to cut. Let’s see how much waste is in this system.

  18. KEVIN says:

    THINK ABOUT THIS. 3M DURING ALL DEMOCRATIC RULE DESIDED THAT THEY WOULD NO LONGER BUILD ON THER MAPLEWOOD CAMPASS, INSTEAD STARTED MOVING TO AUSTIN TEXAS. MEDTRONIC STARTED BUILDING OFFICE AND PRODUCTION OUT OF STATE, FORD PLANT IS CLOSING END OF YEAR. DOES ANYONE SEE A LONG TERM PATTERN HERE.THESE ARE COMPANIES WITH BOTH PROFESSIONAL AND PRODUCTION JOBS LEAVING THE STATE.ALSO CONCERNING 3M HOW MUCH OF THE PRODUCTION IS BEING DONE ON EAST SEVENTH ANY MORE.WAKE UP, THE PEOPLE CLAIMING TO REPRESENT THE WORKING CLASS ARE DRIVING JOBS OUT OF STATE.

    1. weird argument says:

      You should go to Youtube and type in “Dramatic reading CAPS LOCK”

    2. MsM says:

      Printing in all caps (considered by the world as shouting) does not make your comments a fact. Instead it is a glaringly apparent misrepresentation of the facts as spoon fed by those who use propaganda to further their cult agenda….just as Jimmy Jones did – and he lead all those people to drink poison kool-aide when the facts (he was a pedophile) and the law caught up to him.

    3. Sam I am says:

      Thats because business taxes in Minnesota are one of the highest in the nation. Why on earth would a business want to stay here if they can get a better deal somewhere else.

  19. AAM says:

    The politicians and their one-issue-agenda donors will run this great country into the ground. We don’t need massive debt, Russia, China or Middle East to help us with that.

    Money, fear, greed, entitlement and ignorance are the reasons civilizations fall.

    On the bright side, a challenge always creates an opportunity. Kids, go to school and study. Study hard and you will succeed. America can only survive by innovating and producing high-tech products and services. We need to lose the sense of entitlement and get down to math and chemistry books.

    Happy Thursday to all. Stay cool!

    AAM

  20. Fulltime employee says:

    Regardless if there is a shutdown or not, how much money is being wasted on preparing for it?

    1. Lefty says:

      I can tell you that at one particular state agency (where I am employed) – the construction crew projected that to shut everything down and bring everything back up, the cost would be approximately $1 million dollars. Huge money waste in an effort to resolve the deficit.

    2. Dan says:

      A little more off-the-top going to make any difference? )

      #2 MINNESOTA Un-Friendly
      State Income Tax: 5.35%-7.85%
      State Sales Tax: 6.875% (cities and counties can add another 2.65%)
      Estate Tax/Inheritance Tax: No/No
      Minnesota offers retirees cold comfort on the tax front. Social Security income is taxed to the same extent it is taxed on your federal return. Pensions are taxable regardless of where your pension was earned. Income-tax rates are high, and sales taxes can reach 9.53% in some cities. Food, clothing, and prescription and nonprescription drugs are exempt from sales taxes. The North Star State does offer some residents 65 and older who have income of $60,000 or less the option of deferring a portion of their property tax. But this is a low-interest loan, not a tax-forgiveness program.

      http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/194538-10-tax-unfriendly-states-retirees-2011-a.html

  21. Stacy says:

    Once again the only time you hear complaints from the left is when they are going to lose free services. I am tried of paying for things such as: medicaid, free daycare, free lunchs……The fact is I am tired of paying my fair share of taxes while 50% of the so called low income pay nothing. Yet they are the ones who whine the most and take the most from the rest of us. I will be glad to pay more taxes when all have to pay their fair share no matter what income class they are in!
    Listen to a report on WCCO last night of a single women who was whineing about no free daycare if gov shuts down and she is pregnant again. I did not tell her to go out and get knocked-up yet she feels she is entitled to a free handout. Except it is not free, a taxpayer had to foot the bill.
    This is just a very small example of what is wrong with the hole counrty. It is not free someone is having to pay for it and it is’nt the whinners.

    1. Cache says:

      Right on…They are not owed anything by me or others…Life is choices and consequences. Getting pregnant multiple times (Selling their kids to gov’t for payments) and whining they need more and more freebies is wrong on every level!

      1. Jim says:

        “Life is choices and consequences.” Exactly. You don’t have to live in a place that “steals” your tax money for petty things like roads and firefighters and daycare for needy children. There are lots of places where taxes are as low as the GOP would have them, such as Somalia. Look into it.

        1. Mary says:

          Most of Somalia is here Jim.

    2. Always in favor of less government says:

      Yep.

    3. Cache says:

      @ Stacy. What would you do with the people on medicaid then? Do you have any idea why they are on medicaid? It is because they are sick. What is your solution to the health care. Curious to see how little knowledge you have.

      1. Sam I am says:

        Bull Medicaid is not only for the sick. Its also for welfare families. MFIP is the Minnesota Family Investment Plan – they provide food stamps, cash assistance and MEDICIAD to families. Typiclaly families who are abled bodied and can work, but who keep producing kid after kid without ever having any intention of getting of their a$$ and get a job.

        1. Cache says:

          Yep, didn’t ask about those people. you didn’t answer the question either. Stacy says she doesn’t want to pay for medicaid. Medicaid funds may programs.i asked about only one of them.

  22. Yep says:

    Anyone else really excited? This is fun!

    1. Weee! says:

      lol, it’s kinda like when there’s a tornado warning and you go stand outside just for the thrill of it!

  23. Meow says:

    I can’t even imagine the stress levels. I can actually see both sides on this issue and thanks to all for your comments and information. I have faith that there will be a resolution. I really like Go Mark’s comment about The words “Minnesota Taxes” should be changed to “Invest in Minnesota”.

    I hope that this doesn’t come down to GREED.

  24. sw says:

    These are not simple issues, and I for one, am glad that MN has 2 sides that need to compromise. It might not be a pretty process, and they might take it down to the wire, but in the end, balance will be struck, and that will be a good thing for Minnesota. Take a look at WI. They elected Republican tea partiers to all branches of government, and while they may not realize it now, they will be in a world of hurt because there is absolutely no balance to their approach. MN will come through this just fine.

    1. weird argument says:

      Bless your heart dear.

  25. Ronnie says:

    Thanks to Tony Sutton and the GOP misanthropes we are heading into a situation that was COMPLETELY avoidable. Come to the table with a proposed budget you GOP morons.

    1. Les Johnson says:

      Tony Sutton is a buffoon, and his lap dog Mike Brodkorb is a blogger turned wannabe right wing attack dog.

  26. Captain America says:

    AAM you have it right, as Rome, Greece and the Spanish empires before us we will fall due to our crushing debt and a financial collapse. We can only be a great nation again by cutting spending and freeing up our private sector which will create a growing economy creating jobs and more tax revenue through the growth. More taxation will only stifle the economy and drag us down a socialist path which has proven not to work through out history. Grow the economy and we will all be better off than we are today. Expand our domestic energy production and hundreds of thousands of jobs will be created. America is about equal opportunity not about redistributing the wealth for equal outcomes.

    1. sw says:

      That was the economic theory we followed for 8 years under George W. It amazes me that republicans talk as though we have never tried the approach you advocate above. We did, and we wound up in the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Been there, done that, and it didn’t work. Let’s move onto a new economic theory that balances both innovation in the private sector with a public sector that provides necessary services. It can be done, but not if we continue to advocate for economic policies that simply don’t work.

      1. Captain America says:

        The policies you are recommending will continue to put our country into the tank. Hows that hope and change working for you? Jimmy Carter and now Obama like Carter have put forth anti-business programs that have stagnated our economy and keep unemployment high (stagflation). Dayton’s approach will tank MN just as surely. He has a budget with a 6%increase and it just is not enough spending for him and every budget cycle with him will never be enough.

        1. Jim says:

          If this is all Obama and Jimmy Carter’s fault, what happened when Bush was president? He took the budget surplus that Clinton left him and turned it into the Great Recession. I guess that was Dems in congress, or gay people getting married, or gremlins, or some such GOP nonsense. George Bush was one of the most pro-big business and anti-regulation presidents in history and he just about destroyed the economy. So your finger pointing at Obama and Carter (who was president in the 1970s, you know) rings hollow. Why stop there? Let’s blame FDR!

  27. Don't re-elect any of them! says:

    Dayton is spending almost all of his time and effort on under the radar talks with the Wilfs while posturing to ramrod a stadium bill through a special legislative session. Despite the rhetoric on the budget, his real focus is on a stadium. He wants that done on his watch no matter what the cost to the public. Wilf the lion is leading Dayton the lamb to the slaughter and Dayton thinks he’s the invited guest rather than the meal. The legislators are too busy planning their summer vacations to give a rip and the taxpayers, who will have nothing to say in the matter, will foot the bill for it. Ahhhhh, welcome to MN politics.

  28. KEVIN says:

    TODAY MN. GETS IT’S DEBT UNDER CONTROL BY CUTTING SPENDING. TOMORROW WE NEED TO PUSH FOR FEDERAL REFORM AND CUT SPENDING. BALANCE STATE AND FEDERAL BUDGETS AND THE USA WILL START TO PROSPER AGAIN. REMEMBER IN THE 50’S OUR DEPT WAS NEAR ZERO AND OUR ECONOMY SKYROCKETED. TIME TO CLEAN UP THE HAND OUTS TO THOSE THAT DO NOT DESERVE.

    1. sw says:

      Let’s add in that perhaps we don’t want to start wars that we don’t want to pay for. The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are the biggest “handouts” that we have given in the last 9 years.

      1. Guy says:

        How about OBAMA’s Libyan war? The only ones benefiting from that are the Euros & Al Quidans.

  29. StraycatStrut says:

    In the famous words of Forest Gump….. concerning our newly elected Govenror and his stiff idealogy……”Stupid is as Stupid does”.

    1. Paulie says:

      Well, Forest was a financial genious! lol

  30. Paulie says:

    Some needs to call Suzie Orman!!!!!!!!! “Hey girlfriend…..a shutdown is not the answer. It will only cost you more money down the long run”

    1. Ferris Lind says:

      what ??

    2. @Paulie says:

      That’s funny!!! Paulie–Ya just forgot….”You are soooo DENIED, boyfriend”

  31. me says:

    ….Yes raise tax on the rich….if it won’t work out……then shut it down…

  32. Jose says:

    What a bunch of blowhards! Why don’t you people run for office if you have all the answers?
    Our legislators are there to do a job………..to do their job, which is to pass a balanced budget.
    Not the A-hole GOP version – not Governor Goofy’s version – but a compromise between the two.
    All of the other states in the Union got it done.

    1. Cache says:

      They have no answers but love to whine and complain. Doing that is easy, being involved is work. They don’t want to do that

  33. Greg says:

    If Dayton and his Cronies win this debate, I will be urging my Folks to leave Minnesota as soon as possible so they have something left to live on. I care not about inheritance, but their care and ability to cover it. I will follow when my time comes as well. Retirement tax is too high,second in the nation. We are in or near the top 8 states over all in taxes. My kids will hopefully leave as well when they complete schooling. Which they paid for themselves.

    Don’t even talk about fair share, just because you earn or have more does NOT mean you should Owe more. But that’s Liberalism for you.

    We overspend on entitlement in this state more than most. Liberalism does NOT work. but with Liberals in charge we’ll never get out of that deadly cycle.

    It’s not all their fault but Minnesota has been under the House and Senate Liberals all too long. You have to try something else. We won’t even talk about the over-count voting from the Arrow head region. Dayton needs to Compromise, he’s still getting more than he should. Are his Silver Spoon Wealth and Friendly Election Judges supposed to make him King?

    Was recently in South Dakota, Will have to check it out more thoroughly!

    1. Tim P says:

      hey – that’s where Governor Goofy has his money!!!

    2. Please Move!!! says:

      You should head south, most of the states are gop. The only problem you may run into is healthcare doesn’t compare, lack of the arts, the loss of amazing state parks. I say, quit with the scare tactics and move, with your attitude our state is better off without you and yours.

      1. Greg says:

        Scare Tactics? NO just reality. Which you need to understand. If we all go then you won’t be collecting any taxes! Only you will be left to foot the bill if you pay taxes at all.

        SOMETIMES THE EXTRAS JUST AREN’T WORTH THAT MUCH! Ever think of that.
        Maybe they are over declaring their value. Art,.Parks, other of their like. Should be based on use or merit with user fees and not general taxes.

        The state needs to work within a budget, Regular people do. You cannot spend more than you earn, you can’t give yourself a raise, and you save when you can. But Not Dayton. It isn’t his money, that’s the rub. It’s ours and he doesn’t care. Not to say that any politician’s do care much, but his arrogance is to be pitied. He is in a deluded world, look at his history.Terrible.

      2. Southern Mn Mom says:

        Please Move-

        Obviously you have not been out of Minnesota much because you think everything here is better. My three young kids have all moved out of Minnesota. Two to jobs in the Black Hills and one just started teaching in Wyoming. They moved for higher pay, recreation, scenic beauty and to escape Minnesota taxes and regulations. My daughter in Wyoming STARTED at $45,000 as a high school teacher. No cuts, no fundraisers, no state income tax, no negativity!

        Not many business left here in southern Minnesota but for farming. Many of the businesses have moved to the border cities of Brandon, Sioux Falls, Brookings and Watertown to escape Minnesota taxes and regulations.

        Besides not traveling, obviously you do not listen to Minnesota radio either. The state of South Dakota routinely advertises on our radio stations urging Minnesota businesses to move to a “Business Friendly State.” The Republicans know business and that is why they are making this stand for the future of Minnesota.

        1. Please Leave says:

          That’s great. We all have the freedom to move for what ever reason we think fit. I have been out of minnesota many times actually, but I still love my state. It’s interesting you mention your daughter is a teacher, do you hold the same disregard for your daughters occupation as your party? I also prefer not to listen to public radio, too partisan on both sides. by the way check out this link http://www.metromsp.org/sidebar/why_leadingcompanies.htm

          1. Southern MN Mom says:

            Dear Please Move or Please Leave-

            You just don’t get it do you? Only when business thrives do we have money to help people and programs that REALLY need help. Socialism is dead or nearly dead all over the planet. It is going to die out of necessity here in Minnesota too.

            Since you do not understand I want to explain to you that Fortune 500 Companies do not mean much in comparison to small businesses. Since you included a website I will include one for you to consider:

            http://bestbizpractices.org/2009/07/14/america-runs-on-small-business/

            From the above website:

            “U.S. Small Business Administration’s (SBA) Office of Advocacy counted 26.8 million businesses in the United States. Of those, 99.9% have fewer than 500 employees and as such are considered small businesses. This means that only one-tenth of one percent have more than 500 employees. Yet, more notable is the fact that according to the U.S. Census Bureau, 98.2% have fewer than 100 employees. And if you are impressed with that number, you may be amazed to learn that in the same report it states that 89.3% of the businesses in America have fewer than 20 employees! Bear with me for just a moment more as I drive this point home. Even more amazing is the fact that 78.6% have fewer than 10 employees and 60.8% have fewer than 5 employees.

            Are small businesses just an overflow of the work of big business or do small businesses carry their own weight? Let’s look at the facts.

            According to Census Bureau data on high-patent industries, 98% of the companies patenting telecommunications technology employ fewer than 500 people. In the software publishing industry, 97% of the companies patenting software employ fewer than 500 people. In aerospace products and parts manufacturing, the percentage is 92%. In pharmaceuticals and medical manufacturing, it is 90%. In semiconductor machinery manufacturing, 87% of the companies that patent technology employ fewer than 500 people.

            It appears self-evident that small business carries most of the weight when it comes to American innovation and job creation. So, why do we allow so many to fail?”

            IF SMALL BUSINESS IS SO IMPORTANT THEN, WHY DOES MINNESOTA CREATE SUCH A NEGATIVE CLIMATE FOR THEM?

            Southern MN Mom

            P.S. By the way I was a teacher for 35 years. All the Democratic Party ever did during my career was protect teacher unions who protected teachers with no skills or passion.

            1. Please Leave says:

              In your opinion than, you would prefer a one party system? I don’t disagree that taxes in minnesota for businesses are too high, but in my delusional world I don’t think the republicans are the cure all for all of our problems. I don’t think the democrats are either, that’s why I like both. I work in healthcare, and have my own concerns regarding an all republican rule. There are many people that abuse the system, but I work with many that don’t. I will never think that money is more important than fellow human beings. If that makes me a stupid liberal, that has never left the state, and is so so uninformed. Than so be it. Thanks teacher for your lesson.

      3. weird argument says:

        A. By your argument you should then move to California because it’s liberal.
        B. There are just as many top notch hospitals in the south as there are anywhere else… there’s a Mayo clinic in Florida for example.
        C. What proof do you have that the state would be better off without Greg and his?

        1. Greg says:

          Here Here, Appreciate the Backing.. Thank You. This Nanny/Welfare State needs more of us to keep it alive. Many other states provide the same features as Minnesota with respect to recreation, parks, events, medical, and so forth, on less taxation. Why do we have to be overcharged? Pork and entitlements, over inflation of value of everything and hand outs by the left. Maybe cutting the cost of Government by reducing to one governing body, and fewer representatives would help? Maybe term limits, maybe no voting-in their own raises. Maybe Government downsizing could close the gap. How About that! Fewer under-worked people being on the Government hand-ouits, After all that’s what a Senator or Representative is getting,Tax dollars, not public sector dollars. Better ask the Casino owners to pony up some more ‘back pocket’ money. State can’t invest in gambling due to bribery! Oh well, SOSDD! Average Joe will never win at this rate. The ‘Gimme’s’ just might though AGAIN! Vent done for now! Ah!

        2. Please Leave says:

          I never said I was liberal, you did. If people feel so strongly about the high taxes in Mn, you have the freedom to move. I think there’s a reason our state is considered in many regards as one of the best places to live. If you disagree, that’s fine move to another state with lower taxes. I like the fact that we have both parties in office to keep the “checks and balances”, I guess that makes me liberal though. At least I’m willing to say that it may not always be the way I want it, but that’s politics. I accept that, obviously many of you don’t, so who’s the sheep?

  34. Ronald Raygun says:

    All republicans are dirty filth, plain and simple. They are all simple, too.

    1. Michele Deschenes says:

      That is very mature! I am a mom of 5 boys. My husband works hard providing for our family and paying taxes that provide all the government services that we do not benefit from. We are republican. So hard working tax payers are dirty filth – thanks a lot sir!

  35. Kapulas says:

    I just got back from a very late shift and read with both humor and disdain at all these mindless, ill conceived and borderline moronic comments and at the end of the day must ask – are any of you people working now rather than sitting in your Mom’s basement with one hand on your joystick with the other one wrapped firmly around your other joystick? How is it that you have the time and energy to do this rather than doing something constructive? STFU all of you and get busy – stop wasting your collective time sending idiotic comments into outer space. I’m going back to work in an hour and will become part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

  36. Mike Wolden says:

    My favorite part in reading all your comments is that someone chimes in with statements OBVIOUSLY designed just to “get a rise out” the opposite position, and viola! You sink to their level. The sad thing is, the more I look at this, our politicians ARE representing us — or at least our lowest (un)common denominator.

    Example: I am currently unemployed. Have been denied unemployment benefits. Have been seeking employment. UI is nice as a stop-gap, but I do not want to rely on it. I’ve paid in since I was 16…a long time ago…but I’m not sure I really feel entitled to it anyway.
    On the other hand: my mother has serious health issues that have prevented her from working for some 20 years or more. Now in “retirement” she relies on state, federal, and county medical assistance–while my 75 year old father still works 60+ hours a week just to scrape by. They are of the work hard and you’ll get your just rewards generation — some rewards…. And so many want to take away medical help for them. Respect for our elders? Nah, that would be silly.

    I don’t have answers, here. Just questions. And if our politicians keep following the lead of most of the posters here…they might never reach an agreement.

  37. Cache says:

    Dufus Dayton, the democrats and bleeding hearts have given us this over bearing government. Government is for safety, roads and bridges. Not to be the a big thief and giveaway thugs is not it’s job. They cut cops fire etc…but they never cut their giveaway programs….Freebies and welfare for corporations, farmers, criminal aliens and welfare rats. I just saw a typical story about a guy with a wife and 2 kids took a job but he quit because he would lose his government assistance to, a cell phone, housing food assistance and cable TV. Then there is the many buildings in the cities where thousands of able bodied citizens are given money, food and housing “free”! The money they spend on drugs to live in stupor. WHAT THE HEY…I can’t afford Cable or a cell phone why are Welfare Rats getting it on my taxes??????? Cut the budget to the bone..i’m sick of the government thieves!

    1. Jim says:

      “Cut the budget to the bone..i’m sick of the government thieves!” Fine with me. Just stay off the roads and don’t call 911 when your house starts on fire. For me, I think I’ll keep paying my taxes.

      As for cable and a cell phone, it sounds to me like you need a better job. Maybe try bettering yourself instead of whining about the government on the internet?

    2. Cache says:

      Where in the GOP budget do they cut what you ask. Continuous blathering on webs sites about actions not taken is meaningless.

  38. kevin says:

    Are we a state that works or do we chose to be a total welfare state? Answer the question and you will also answer the question if we will have job development back in this state.

    1. Jim says:

      Ah yes, it’s all so black and white to partisans. No middle ground where we have a thriving economy and help those most in need.

  39. Dave says:

    Shut it down please! We can’t afford to pay more tax for them to get fat.

    1. Always in favor of less government says:

      Shut it down and keep it down. It’s an embarrassment that Minnesota is called the Nanny State and the Welfare State.

  40. jason says:

    Sounds like Minnesota is starting right where Wisconsin was a few months ago.

  41. MrB says:

    Oh shut the damn thing down already, tired of hearing about it. Shut it down and you will cut spending like the GOP wants. In the mean time, I’m headed to Lake Mille lacs and with no DNR to bother me just might keep one or two walleyes over my limit🙂

    1. Keep it up city folk! says:

      I like your style, MrB.

  42. Bob says:

    How about we fie the whole bunch of them and start again

  43. Alfred says:

    Terrible reporting:

    “The two sides have been negotiating daily for the past week without breaking their impasse over how to solve a $5 billion deficit.”

    There are two budgets and both are balanced.

    Both budgets increase spending.

    The governor’s budget increases spending the most, grows government and raises taxes.

  44. Commonsense says:

    No wonder this state is in the shape it’s in – there’s enough blame to go around without it being onesided. Yes – we need to get government spending seriously under control and there should be NO increase in spending period until that time. This whole arguement that people need to pay there fair share – well if thats the case then we need to collect from EVERYONE – not just a select part of the population – I’m tired of hearing that the rich should pay more because they have more – why because they got off there butts in high school – went to college and bettered themselves or made wise investments – meanwhile you wasted your youth or chose a different path, so why are they the bad guys and why should they have to pay your way through life along with all the freebies you think your entitled to. In this case you get what you pay for – a state full of people who think they are entitled to things they didn’t earn or pay for with there own money (not welfare). Right now I’m so disgusted with both parties that next time around I may just vote independent – the two party system no longer works.

  45. Deep Thinker says:

    Actually, I don’t have an opinion

  46. BeenThereDoneThat says:

    We all know what Democrat CUTS in programs are….ask for a 12% raise..congress says ..nope, don’t have the moeny this year..we will give you a 8% raise ….that is what a Democrat cut is…

  47. BS says:

    It’s time for a recalled of Dayton. The Dems stole the election to start with. How does a do nothing Senator, get elected Gov. The money is in South Dakota.

    1. Kieron says:

      Still on about that? Good username for you, eh?

  48. DG says:

    They sequester (sp?) a jury during deliberations. Take all parties, lock them in a room (with no AC) and tell them they can come out only after reaching an agreement. This whole thing is quite stupid and they need to start acting like responsible adults!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  49. Dave W - Glencoe says:

    The people in our Government need to forget what party they belong to and start working together. This Democrate and Republican dispute has gone too far! We’re on our way to becoming the next USSR

  50. Strange times says:

    Seems strange that the taxes can not be raised on the top 2% to be more inline with the bottom 98% are paying? Cutting waste out of government and trimming down the size seems reasonable also. Seems to me that what the majority people want both parties could be representing.

  51. Can't we all just get along?? says:

    You have to love these comments one here about how the 2% “rich folks” need to pay the same as the bottom 98%. Come on people before you make a comment you should have your facts correct. The top 2% wage earners in this state and in almost all states are the ones paying the most in everyday taxes we all have. Think about it people the more you make on your check the more the government takes. They also pay the same sales tax as everyone else; I mean if I go into a store and tell them I make 10 million a year do you really think they give you a tax break. The top 2% “rich folks” are the ones that employ half of the MN population as well, who do you think is hiring people to mow the lawn, do landscaping, housekeeping, business owners that have employee’s and the list goes on and on. This isn’t about the “rich folk” not paying their fair share people this is about 2 different parties that have to different views on how to solve the budget.
    My personal opinion is scaling back things in the government that is not needed, get people jobs that are sitting at home on welfare that abuse the system and to get those jobs get rid of the ones that are working here illegal. I mean do cuts here and there nothing that would affect the elderly, vets, or medical for kids and boom pretty soon you are eating away at this budget crisis in small chunks.
    The answer is not in raising taxes on the “rich folk” or any of us for that matter, because the more you start taking from people the more you take out of the economy that helps the state. Even if they take an extra 50 bucks a paycheck or a month from us by raising income tax that is 50 dollars less I am going to spend at a local store that employs a small amount of people. Soon that small independent store has to close its doors because all of us are spending less because the government is taking more from us.

    1. John L says:

      The top 2% pay in more money, but a smaller percentage. I think we should all pay in the same percentage. The more money you have the more you benefit from civil society. Maybe “Rich” folks should mow their own lawn?

      1. Makes no sense to me at all!!! says:

        John, then you would be complaining there are no jobs if “rich” folk mowed their own lawn. If I was rich I can tell you damn well I would hire stuff like that out (most of us in here would to and if they say no they are lying). You make no sense at all with your comment about “the top 2% pay in more money, but a smaller percentage”. Bottom line is they pay more, period. I could care less if it was 10%, 10% of 1 million is 100,000. That is more than most people make combined. My point is all the people on here stating that the top 2% wage earners in MN don’t pay as much as the bottom 98% is a false statement because they pay a lot more. I guess I just don’t get the whole point of the richer you are the more you should have to pay to support others. I just don’t get that, I am not rich by any means and I did come from a less fortunate family but I did go to college. I believe that if you go to school and get a good education, make a wise investment, or open a business that is very profitable then why shouldn’t you be rich and why should you have to pay for those less fortunate that didn’t do those things. It just doesn’t make sense, this is not a socialist country (well at least isn’t supposed to be).

        1. John L says:

          Maybe we shouldn’t tax the “rich” at all? The would have more dallors to hire more people. Where is the Socialist line drawn? The rich will still be rich even after a slight tax increase.

          1. Always in favor of less government says:

            Not at all what his argument said. This is a very well written argument and you putting in words that aren’t there doesn’t change that. Good job, “makes no sense to me at all!!!.”

    2. Always in favor of less government says:

      Well said.

  52. Kevin says:

    “MN Braces ” for shutdown? Braces? Good God really? Who freakin cares? So the DMV will be closed…….good God their closed when their open! Rest stops will be closed! OMG! NO! STOP! Again who cares….one 85 year old guy will not be sweeping the floor there. Cops and Firemen? Yup they will be out in force! Parks? Nope closed! And 3000 tree huggers will have to get hotels I guess! And I will bet a million that the welfare will still be sent out to all those “in need”……let them shut down! Who cares!

  53. Blind with envy says:

    Why don’t people understand that taxes are not collected unless money changes hands? The real reason that super rich like higher taxes – (Bill Gates to name one) is that it gives way to more government spending. Will Gates sell more Windows operating systems to evolving government offices? Meanwhile the billions that he has tied up in bonds and investment programs will go completely untouched. If most people would wake up and realize that the rich are rich for a reason, maybe they could encourage those with money to spend their money. I believe that this will only happen when their is less repercussion for spending money. P.S. I think politics are stupid

  54. KEVIN says:

    Just a reminder Dayton has given back a tax hike he does not have So his compromise amounts to a big fat 0.

  55. WakeUp says:

    The Politicians have us all right where they want us…fighting amongst ourselves. Wake up and realize that we are ALL in this together. Realize that there are people who abuse public assistance, and help enact laws that will change the standards for individuals to qualify. Realize that we all must pay our fair share of taxes so that we can all benefit from a healthy, educated, and safe state in which to live. Realize that we all must take personal responsibility for our actions. And finally, realize that our society has become too materialistic and “self-centered” to realize the importance of workin for the common good of society as a whole. Yes, I am college educated (actually working full-time will raising a family and pursuing a second degree), my husband and I are middle-class, and I’m willing to pay more taxes so that my children are educated, our communities are safe, health care is affordable and accessible. I realize how quickly someone’s siutation can chnage…I’ve been there through a divorce, short-term use of Medical Assistance, and surviving Stage 3 Colon Cancer at a young age.

  56. Please Explain!!! says:

    Can someone in here PLEASE explain to me why a “rich” person should have to spread their wealth more just because they did something right with their life? Isn’t this a “free” country where we are able to make as much as we want? Why is it that people think they are entitled to others money because they are “rich”? It makes no sense to me so someone with some intelligence please explain this to me and have a compelling answer instead of the whole “well they just don’t pay enough” when we all know they pay in plenty of money, I’m not talking percent they pay I am talking cold hard cash that is paid in. Example let’s say I make 1 million and I pay in 10% to taxes(which I believe it is more than 10%), that is $100,000.00 paid to taxes. That is more than most make combined in a year. Please explain!!!!!!

    1. Neille Sawyer says:

      Why should someone who makes only $45,000 a year pay 28% of their income in taxes and someone who makes a million dollars a year pay only 10% of their income in taxes? Why should I as a person of lower income subsidize someone who makes a higher income?

      The top two percenters are all desperatly clinging to the Reagonomics idea that if they are taxed less they will stimulate the economy. That idea never did work but every time it comes up these same people somehow manage to win that battle at the expense of the rest of us.

      1. weird argument says:

        A. They pay more than 10%, read the tax code
        B. If they don’t pay the required percent, it’s because they are taking write offs that… surprise surprise… the government allows. So perhaps your big beef should be with government, not wage earners.
        C. Whooa Neille!

    2. Cache says:

      Perhaps it is based on religion. The church did not care how much you made as long as you tithed your due percentage. Perhaps you are from the philosophy that you throw in your smallest piece of paper money. I really don’t think any other logical explanation you would understand without it being s book.

  57. Dawn says:

    IF GOVERNMENT SHUTS DOWN:
    -WE DON’T PAY TAXES
    -LAW MAKERS DON’T GET PAID

  58. TJ says:

    This is a game of chicken that the Dems cannot win. It’s as simple as Dems want more government, Reps want less. Tomorrow there will be less government. Reps 1 – Dems 0.

  59. Neille Sawyer says:

    It certainly would be nice if all of those fussing on behalf of the top two percent would bother to remember that for years and years and years that same two percent received tax cuts which allowed them to pay less percentage wise than any other income bracket in the state. This was done on both the state and federal level for years. This was all shoved down the throats of the middle class with the stilted logic that if those privileged few had fewer taxes to pay the would spend and invest more in the economy. We can all see just how well that turned out. Now they are being asked to pay percentage wise what they should have been paying all along and everyone if crying foul.

    I have no problem what so ever paying taxes so long as the money is put to good use and so long as I am not subsiding people who are already rich.

    I also have a huge huge problem with a stand off like this that has nothing at all to do with the people these legislative people supposedly represent. The has nothing at all to do with protecting us it has every thing in the world to do with ensuring that Mark Dayton does not get another term and we the people they supposedly represent are the ones who are going to suffer.

    Every one of us constituents on both sides of this issue needs to wake up and smell the coffee and realize that we are being used in a pathetic test of wills that will cost the state far far far more than any amount either side claims they will gain.

    Personally if there is a shut down I plan on checking in to how one demands a recall election for each and every one of them for failure to do the duty with which they were charged when they took office. They were elected to run and govern this state not to bring it to a stand still in a test of wills that has nothing to do with protecting the people of the state and serves only to protect their own party.

  60. kevin says:

    Ron, don’t for get when thy are in prison they get the best medical care money can buy, With a total of 60-65k a year cost to tax payers.These costs is what takes away benifits from the people that truly need our help.Oh, and I might add the cost for illegals.

  61. John L says:

    Since taxing the top 2% more is so bad for our economy… Maybe we should stop taxing them completely? Are economy will be so much better off then!

    Where is the socialism line drawn?

  62. stubby says:

    So, using the libs line of thinking about the rich should pay more….2 people go into the grocery store to buy a loaf of bread. Should the rich guy pay more for that loaf because he earns more money? I don’t think so. How about everyone paying…including the bottom 48% of households who pay no state income. That would be a good start.

  63. Gov Deer in the headlights says:

    Sorry…another vote here to fire Dayton! GOP has done it’s job and has gone to Gov Deer in the Headlights TWIICE and Dayton refuses to “compromise!!!”

    Dayton is the “boss” in this situation….he KNEW what he was getting into and it’s a LEADERS job to LEAD…..of which he is NOT doing!

    I think I am going to NO pay my 2011 State taxes….My wife and I can’t agree on how much we should be paying them…..

  64. PJO says:

    Some of the libs/repubs who are putting posts on here are so far left/right they are blind. I consider myself a repub and I am blaming BOTH sides. I’ll repeat myself, BOTH sides. NONE of them are blameless, they are ALL responsible this mess. I’m not impressed with any of them. They are All going to cause big problems for all of us, without any regard for any of the people they will hurt. No two ways about it, BOTH sides are at fault. I feel awful for all of those state workers who will be out of their jbs until this stupidity is over. They are the ones who will be hurt the most. All of them should be ashamed of themselves.

  65. Fed Up says:

    I have read most of the comments and would like to point out something – The richest 2% of Minnesotans pay less in taxes because of the tax breaks they are offered – Take those away and see what happens to the budget!

    1. stubby says:

      How about we take away the mortgage credit, the property tax credit, the earned income credit, the student loan credit, the energy tax credit,…then let’s see what happens to the budget. Maybe the middle classs….bottom 48% of wage earners will have to start paying into the system.

  66. i'm broke because of you says:

    Shut it down. The only people who will be affected are the people who suck on the taxpayer’s tit nonstop. This might give them a dose of reality and help them figure out that it is not a good lifestyle to depend on the government to play Robin Hood. And, I know, i hear it all over the news, this will waste millions of tax dollars. But please tell me how many billions will be saved on the high buck non-essential state employees. Don’t worry; I am sure they will be compensated for the lost time per their union contract.
    Shut it down for good! Let’s start over because this is not working. First thing they should do is take the R and the D off the ballots so people actually have to do a little research before they put these people into office.

  67. Gerald Alama says:

    This shut down is got to be far wrose then comin to an agreement period! this state maks its most money taken in by all during the 4th of july weekend! why in gods sake our we shuting down I ask for what so senate mogority can look even stupider yet? my god its time for big time reform now not 2012!

  68. mike says:

    All I can do is laugh at everyone who voted Dayton into office, did anyone notice what kind of Senator he was!!

  69. Cache says:

    This goes to show one that Duffus ‘F’ ‘Dayton with all his Resume skills on display….B.S. in Dog Walking….is totally unqualified to be governor. It’s time he closes up his office… like he did his senatorial one and ….go lay by his dish!

  70. newswatcher says:

    Who thought of “leaving the lights on” after shuting down. That’s a waste of taxpayers cash. Just TURN THE LIGHT OFF including the ones on the freeways when retiring for the year, OK.

  71. KF says:

    Dear Legislators and Governor Dayton. If I did my job the way you have done your, I would be out looking for work. It isn’t as if you haven’t been aware of this for many months. This is where your focus needed to be! Do your job, get it done or get out.

  72. Tim H says:

    Let’s see…. a Governor that does not provide true leadership is blocking the voice of the people represented by the majority vote in both the House and Senate. Dayton should be fired!

  73. Cathy says:

    I wonder when you all are going to start complaining about the corporations who are getting millions more in govt welfare than any struggling disabled person is. (One example: GE paid NO taxes last year) If you are against welfare for one, then being against welfare for all. Oh, and by the way, stop taking the tax deduction for your mortgage interest on your first (and second if you have one) homes. Because that is me (AND MY HARD EARNED Tax dollars) subsidizing your housing. And yes, I have a job. I pay taxes. I have sent in extra taxes this year and I give away 10% of my income to charity.

  74. Jackie Du Charme says:

    So sad this Minnesota government cannot agree. I say get rid of them all and lets start over.
    To shut down does mean a loss of alot of money to this state. And being a holiday weekend they couldn’t of planned it better. Not.

    1. Jackie Du Charme says:

      10% across the board for everyone sounds good. My husband has been saying that for years.

  75. Legislative Republicans, Take Note says:

    We, the people, are Sick of Socialism.

    Do not acquiesce to governor Dayton.

    Do not add one more dime to the budget.

    If it takes shutting down the government, then shut the government down.

    Stop this uncontrolled government spending. Now.

    We, the people, have spoken.

  76. Paul says:

    Socialism Stinks.

  77. HAHA it's your fault says:

    Shut er down!

    Dayton = Blameton

  78. Warren Buffett says:

    Bottom Line:

    Republicans would rather shut down government than ask those who have prospered under the last decade of tax cuts to pony up.

    That’s all people need to know.

  79. Carolie Thurston says:

    I was among the group Mr. Kessler described as a coalition of “Liberal, Labor, and DFL groups. I don’t remember him asking me if I were any of the above mentioned. I am truly more in the middle than anyone in our state could be and that said, what I observed was a large number of people organizing to deliver a few messages to the “powers that be” because no one seems to be listening. Number One: Do your job, you were elected to represent all of us and we have no idea what is going on.
    Number two: The cost of a shut down is only going to raise our state’s debt… opening and closing = big bucks. What a shameful waste. If I didn’t do the job I was hired to do I would lose that job. Our house and senate may now be getting overtime for not getting their homework in on time. You cannot have a healthy economy without a healthy, stable, fed, housed, community. You cannot balance a budget on the backs of people who don’t even have all of the above.
    Please, Mr. Kessler help all of us by removing the labels of political polarization. The rally was attended by numerous groups and individuals who want our elected officials to work together and solve this mess. The more we label, the more we become a nation that will collapse under the strain of the inability to compromise. Whatever happened to voting for the person not the party?
    Investing in education, healthcare, and families isour number one priority, not a bigger split between the haves and have nots.

  80. ed says:

    Democrats want a shut down because they think they’ll win.

    As long as republican legislature holds firm and doesn’t blink, democrats will loose.

  81. Common sense says:

    LOL! For all those complaining about the wealthy being taxed and the, lets say, less well-off people not paying their fair tax, give it a break.

    Do poor people really want to be poor? Seriously! No one wants to be perpetually poor and on well-fare. Some people just don’t know how to take advantage of the system and make over $250k/year.

    For those that (couples and indiduals) make over $250k/yr and complain about being taxed at a greater %/rate, I can understand. No one wants to be pay in more of their money. Hey and maybe you weren’t always making this money a short time ago, and maybe you work hard at getting it. But, I can not see bleeding the people barely getting by to pay for a short-fall in government budgeting.

    If a fix is to include a greater tax on income it must come from the upper class. It only makes sense. They’re the ones that can afford it.

  82. Darren says:

    I am not Bracing for a government shutdown. As soon as the elections were over in November I started to prepare, Because I knew with a Republican Majority and a Democratic Governor that this would happen. We have all had 7 months to prepare for this. Save the money we could. Stock up if we needed too. Cut back where we could. I did it because I know that the government isn’t here for us as taxpayers, they are there for themselves and the power and money that they get.

  83. ad14jc says:

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  84. Yeah Right says:

    Citizen, you don’t know anything about North Dakota. The only reason it’s booming now is because it hit an energy boom, otherwise it would be just another poor state…..and quit pointing fingers at “liberals” it’s childish

  85. Ruth says:

    Every single politician in this state should be removed from office effective immediately and without pay. They need only look in the mirror to see who is responsible for this debacle. Thousands and thousands of lives will be affected because of their inability to work together to balance the budget – NOT argue about gay rights, a new Vikings stadium and other nonsensical issues. Bring in businessmen and financial experts who know how to balance a budget and get Minnesota back in the black again. I am embarrassed to admit I’m fron Minnesota, but at least I can honestly say I cannot be blamed for any of the politicians who were voted into office in the last election.

  86. jojo says:

    I would gladly exchange my salary with the top 2% Pay the extra taxes. I would still be money ahead. Remember…If you are paying taxes,you are making money!

  87. Lyn says:

    If any state representative takes one cent from this fiasco they will be paid back when it comes time to vote for them next election.
    Both parties should have had the budget completed in the designated time frame.
    Minnesota, it is time to petition to kick out these single minded, idiotic individuals. Remember representatives, we voted you in and we can take that vote back at any time. Stop acting like morons and get this budget completed with compromising.
    An angry constituent.

  88. Lisa says:

    I do not care what side of the isle our representives sit on, they failed us all. The entire state of Minnesota. Before you look to point fingers in blame, look in the mirror first.

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