‘Cone Of Silence’ Becomes Roar Of Hostility

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — With Minnesota’s state government closed for business, the focus shifted Friday to who’s to blame.

The shutdown started at 12:01 a.m. Friday, the product of an ongoing dispute over taxes and spending between Democratic Gov. Mark Dayton and Republican legislative majorities. Talks fell apart well before the deadline, leaving state parks closed on the brink of the Fourth of July weekend, putting road projects at a standstill and forcing thousands of state worker layoffs.

The heads of the state’s Republican and Democratic parties each say the other side is responsible.

Minnesota GOP Chairman Tony Sutton called Dayton a “piece of work” and accused him of inflicting “maximum pain” for political reasons.

Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party Chairman Ken Martin laid the blame on Republicans, saying they drove the state to a shutdown to protect millionaires from tax increases sought by Dayton.

“Shame on you for putting the interests of your rich campaign donors ahead of the well-being of the constituents you are supposed to represent,” Martin said.

The Alliance for a Better Minnesota, a left-leaning group supportive of Dayton, plans to run weekend radio ads in three popular vacation areas blaming Republicans for the impact of the shutdown, including closed state parks. The group also debuted a “shutdown shame” website.

Though nearly all states are having severe budget problems this year, Minnesota stands as the only government to have shut down, thanks to Dayton’s determination to raise taxes on high-earners to close a $5 billion deficit and the Republican Legislature’s refusal to go along. The shutdown would be Minnesota’s second in six years as the partisan divide deepens.

Here, as in 21 other states, there’s no way to keep government operating past the end of a budget period without legislative action, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures. Even so, only four other states — Michigan, New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Tennessee — have had shutdowns in the past decade, some lasting mere hours.

There was no word early Friday of any plan to continue budget negotiations.

Even before the final failure, officials padlocked highway rest areas and state parks, herding campers out. The full impact will hit Friday morning as thousands of laid-off state employees stay home until further notice and a wide array of services are suspended.

Critical functions such as state troopers, prison guards, the courts and disaster responses will continue. On Friday morning, former Supreme Court Chief Justice Kathleen Blatz will begin the court-appointed job of sifting through appeals from groups arguing in favor of continued government funding for particular programs.

Dayton addressed the looming shutdown at about 10 p.m. Thursday, emerging after a day of fitful negotiations with legislative Republicans to say the two sides were still fundamentally divided over how much the state should spend the next two years and that the shutdown was inevitable.

“This is a night of deep sorrow for me,” Dayton said.

Republican lawmakers had gathered at the Capitol for hours, demanding that Dayton do what he had said for months he would not do: Call a special session so they could pass a “lights on” budget bill to keep the government running. The governor insisted he would not give up that leverage without a total budget solution that incorporated the many facets of state spending. The governor has sole power to call a special session, but once one starts, it’s lawmakers who will decide when to adjourn.

“I think the governor’s insistence that we pass a full budget is not going to be of much comfort to Minnesotans who are going to see delays on the highways because construction projects stop,” said Senate Majority Leader Amy Koch, R-Buffalo. “It’s not going to comfort people who can’t use our state parks, or who can’t get a driver’s license.”

Officials in state parks had already started herding out campers Thursday, saying it would have been too difficult in the dead of night. Also Thursday, people rushed to get driver’s and fishing licenses at offices and service centers that would be locked up by morning.

A stoppage in Minnesota also halts non-emergency road construction, shuts the state zoo and Capitol, and stops child-care assistance for the poor. More than 40 state boards and agencies expected to go dark.

The shutdown in retrospect was something of a slow-motion disaster, with a new Democratic governor and new Republican legislative majorities at odds for months over how to eliminate a $5 billion state budget deficit. Dayton has been determined to raise taxes on high-earners to close the deficit, while Republicans insisted that it be closed only by cuts to state spending.

Even after the shutdown looked like a certainty, Dayton and Republicans did not soften their conflicting principles. Dayton said he campaigned and was elected on a promise not to make spending cuts to a level he called “draconian.” He said he has been more flexible than Republicans in trying to compromise in order to acknowledge their principles.

“I’ve gone halfway, and I’m not going to go further,” Dayton said.

Republicans have been equally firm. Republican Sen. Michelle Benson said earlier in the day she wouldn’t budge on raising taxes or new revenue in any form.

“If we don’t start taking a different approach to how we manage our government, we’re going to swing from one bad economic circumstance to another,” Benson said. “We can’t just keep throwing more money at government and hoping that makes things better.”

Dayton has proposed raising taxes on couples earning more than $300,000 and individuals making more than $180,000. He said Thursday night that he had offered to target the tax increase to even higher earners, those making more than $1 million a year.

Republicans have opposed any new taxes or new revenue sources, arguing instead that the state should rely on spending cuts, including deeper reductions in health and welfare spending than Dayton is willing to accept.

Some GOP moderates have talked of breaking the impasse with other means of raising revenue, such as eliminating tax breaks or authorizing a casino. Dayton has said he is open to such ideas.

Lawmakers now face the prospect of spending the holiday weekend at parades and events in their districts, facing a public who can point to an oversized symbol of gridlock at the state Capitol. Some admitted that Dayton might have the upper hand politically.

“I personally think the Republicans will probably be more damaged than the governor” by the shutdown, said freshman Rep. Mike LeMieur, R-Little Falls, who toppled an incumbent Democrat in November. “The fact is that we’re all up for re-election again next year, and he’s not up for three years.”

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  1. Joe Hanson says:

    “I’ve gone halfway, and I’m not going to go further,” Dayton said.

    Governor Mark Dayton – holding Minnesota hostage, day 1.

    1. Bb says:

      Republicans are holding Minnesota hostage because they don’t want to tax their rich buddies that keep them in office. Really you are that naive, I personally am tired of footing the bill for the top 2 percent, I also am tired of footing the bill for corporate welfare. This is what happens when tea baggers get into office, let it be a lesson to the rest of the country what price they will pay if the allow these right wing nut jobs into office.

      1. tt says:

        Right, Bb. These morons are too stupid to see the truth.

        1. MN Nice says:

          MN nice at it’s best? Morons…stupid….anything else you want to add?

          1. richard says:

            Don’t forget idiots.

            1. MN Nice says:

              I didn’t think you’ld get the sarcasm!

      2. Matt says:

        I think the top 2 percent is sick of footing the bill for all the wellfare and food stamp babies. Democrats are holding MN hostage because they don’t want to stop supporting their POOR voting base. It goes both ways Bb

        1. UNIMPLOYED says:

          Middle Class is tired of paying a higher percentage than the rich do. Middle Class pays 12.1% and the rich only pay 9-10% of their income. IS THIS FAIR?

          1. Lower Middle Class man says:

            That 9-10 % that the rich pay make up well over 70 % of the total taxes paid – I say that is much better that the 0 % that the lower 1/3 pay. Why does everyone say lets tax the rich – those are people who hire people and belp pay their benefits. Anyone is free to take a few chances and open a business – work hard and do well – If you want it, go get it !!! – Oh ya, you would rather get something for nothing!!!!

            1. BooHoo says:

              I’m sure that the SALES TAX that the rich pay when they make big ticket purchases more than make up for the difference. The tax the rich program that Dayton is running won’t even cover the difference. He needs to get a different look on his face, he looks like an idiot.

            2. richard says:

              GREAT QUESTION! Why is it unfair to ask the wealthy to pay AT LEAST as much as I do (Me 12% them 10%) of their adjusted gross income. I have posted this question several times….funny, nobody has an answere.

              1. Matt says:

                12% of $50K is $6K, 10% of $250K is $25K. Who is paying more? This doesn’t even consider higher property taxes on more expensive homes or more sales tax on money spent.

                1. Linda says:

                  Richard is asking why the rich do not pay the same PERCENTAGE that he does–and I am asking the same. As to the sales tax, we pay sales tax, too. Granted, I am not paying tax on yachts or luxury cars. but I sure won’t feel sorry for those who are buying and, therefore, paying taxes on those items. And, if they don’t want to pay property taxes on a multi-million dollar home, they don’t have to buy one. Sorry, but the poor-me approach of millionaires doesn’t play with me.

                2. Who is Keeping MORE? says:

                  It’s not about who pays more! I pay more than someone who earns less than me just as well but if I pay 12% and they pay 12% I’m not complaining like you are! Typical BS from the greedy rich who think we middle class don’t know math and don’t see the manipulation of figures….50k-6k=44k and 88% of money made they get to keep and 250k-25k=225k so the rich get to keep 90% of the money they make. You see, I see the BS in your math. Figures don’t lie but the rich liers spread their BS figures! The extra 2% or 5k in your example that you get to keep is the reason you easily get richer and richer and the middle class struggle to get ahead. I’m sure the person making 50k would like to keep 2% more or 1k just as well! So hell yea, I’m for taxes on the top 2% to be the same percentage as me. And not only that, I also am a job creator…own a business and hire people….so the top 2% are NOT the only ones who create jobs!!!

                  And to you DFLers, I’m not one of you who supports a government that thinks spending my taxes on creating more middle income government jobs is a good thing. Neither am I for a government that throws my tax money at programs that aren’t neccessary or that work efficiently. At least you know the GOP supports the top 2%, but if you think the DFL supports the middle class then you are sadly mistaken as they spend out of control which still causes the middle class to pay more in the end. You want to blame Pawlenty so much, but you DFLers forget who was controlling the governments pocketbook for the past ??? how many year???

              2. The Tick says:

                I’ll answer your question, Richard, but you won’t like it. I suggest you go read the latest Tax Incidence Study and I mean really read it. The only reason that the highest income decile pays less in total state taxes as a percentage of their income (their tax incidence) is because they spend less of their money consuming (sales tax) and they buy less expensive homes relative to their income. The top decile average income was about $400k and the market value of their homes was also about $400k. All of the other deciles have homes that are 2-4 times their income (excluding the lowest decile).

                Again, the reason the highest earners have a lower tax incidence right now is because they are saving money and living within their means. I’m sure you and Linda below would be just as incensed to see them throwing money around buying new cars and luxury goods even though that would immediately drive up their tax incidence. In short, they’re damned if they do and damned if they don’t. The only answer that satisfies is to confiscate their money and spend it on more state programs, i.e. “From each according to his abilities. To each according to his needs.”

            3. What??? says:

              Lower Middle Class man
              Maybe everyone should stop the “they make jobs” rhetoric as there is no proof of this to support. However, there is proof that they have not been hiring new workers and you can tell this by the unemployment throughout the country. I have proof that supports that claim. Where is your proof that they are making new jobs with the tax breaks?

            4. Greedy Rich Man says:

              I’m sure the rich pass up on the government tax money thrown their way in the form of low interest rate loans, grants, subsidies, etc…etc. NOT!!!….just look at some of the GOP politicians!!! Like the rich don’t get something for nothing??? The size of a man’s pocketbook is frequently used as a power tool to get something for nothing! Those of us who pay taxes that aren’t in the top 2% may also be mad at those who pay 0%, but I’m sure there are plenty of us who pay taxes are also mad at the top 2% that get to keep 2% more of their adjusted taxable income as well.

      3. out of control government says:

        NO it is the Governors Fault. He is given a budget. Stop trying to work around that budget to get more money. Figure out a way to make that budget work. Just like the rest of us. We don’t get to go ask people for more money just because we feel like spending more and don’t have enough, NO you have to figure out a different way to make it work by giving up certain things. They cannot just continue to raise taxes for people to give them more money to spend. Cut certain things out starting with Welfare. I don’t like going to work every day and I sure as hell would rather be at home with my kids but that is not ethical. You work to pay your bills, Money is not meant to just be handed to you because you decided to pop out 6 kids you can’t afford. Deal with it on your own and stop depending on everyone else.

    2. Unimployed says:

      Governor Dayton isn’t holding the state hostage the republicans are, and tax the richest 2% and it would be over.

      1. The Tick says:

        Only increase the budget 3% and it would be over. Any other simple solution?

        1. darth ninja says:

          Only increase the budget 4% and tax the top 2% an additional 2%. We might actually have a surplus or be able to pay for the stadium bill.

    3. DTM says:

      At least he went halfway. Repubs barely budged.

    4. Joe says:

      1/2 way sounds reasonable to me? This is still democracy right. All on one side is a dictatorship. Both sides need to meet in the middle and concede a bit. 1/2 way is fine with me.

  2. Sam I am says:

    Hey every one – the world is still turning.

    Dayton you have not compromised one bit.

    1. jim says:

      actually, dayton HAS compromised. it’s the republicans who haven’t.

      1. Mark "FAIL" Dayton says:

        Actually, I’ll tell you where Dayton has not compromised! Pass what you agree on…”NO” says Dayton. All or nothing = nothing and government shutdown. Nice compromise Dayton! Hey you’re right, now THAT’S COMPROMISE

    2. Shirl Mann says:

      sam I am,,,your o k with the radical republicans protecting the rich who have already assisted thm in sending the jobs overseas????????? WAKE UP PEOPLE

    3. Joe says:

      The article just said he went 1/2 way. Did you even read it? I’d say that’s a bit…

  3. SK says:

    Minnesota citizens are the casualties here. And the state workers are Minnesotan citizens and taxpayers so they will hurt from the shutdown as citizens as well as employees for the state. The state workers and their unions are not the problem. They are a small part of the entire state budget and it is just a political gimmick that people keep trying to make them an issue. I doubt that they will get back pay, but if they do, it will not be a significant dollar amount in the entire budget.

    GOP legislators need to get the entire budget done. There is no reason at this point to do a partial solution. It all needs to get done and done NOW. THEY are the ones who broke that trust during the regular session when Dayton looked at the Agriculture bill and felt it was very close to his and signed it. AND then the GOP introduced stuff into the state government bill that impacted the real status of the Agriculture budget. Why would Dayton trust them? And why would he think that they would make progress on the compromise if he signed some of the bills, when they haven’t in the past 6 months.

    1. kieron says:

      And don’t forget, this is all from the party that STILL hasn’t paid their campaign debts, as far as I understand.

      1. Tom says:

        @ kieron

        I am very liberal! That being said if you wondering about the money that the GOP owed counties for their recount Tom Emmers paid that bill off. Emmers cleaned up Tony Sutton’s mess.

        1. NonessentialOne says:

          The GOP probably thought they could write off the expenses on their taxes and then never pay it anyway…sigh. This whole situation is a mess. but that said, would someone PUHLIEEZE put a muzzle on Tony Sutton?!?!?!?!? He is only helping to drag this situation into the sewer further with name calling and insults.

      2. Jake says:

        So, does that completely irrelevant issue make the DFL’s relationship with former Rep. Wiener relevant somehow? I prefer keeping the school-house attacks on “character” out of a meaningful debate about policy issues, but I reckon people who think those sorts of attacks are effective will always make them if they think it improves their chances of prevailing.

  4. Steph says:

    Very disappointed with our state’s government. The fact that the officials we elected on both sides have not yet learned the fine art of compromise, yet put thousands of people out of work and add to the downfall of an already struggling economy, are a local and national embarrassment. While Governor Dayton will not accepting a salary during this time, I hope the others that sit around the table will do as much.

    1. michelle says:

      he doesn’t need his salary… he is one of the ultra-rich!!!

      1. jim says:

        would YOU give up YOUR salary? even if you had other means to support yourself? would you? huh? would you?

  5. Jo Poshek says:

    Governor Dayton has performed above and beyond in his efforts to produce a real compromise on the budget, the republicians have not. The moneyed people who helped republicians get elected have them all in a choke hold on revenue at the overall State’s well being. Shame on them.

    1. Jake says:

      @Jo, your argument has become a talking point mantra, but it isn’t supported by the facts involved. It is far more apparent that Dayton is beholden to the public unions who want 10 percent increases and more. Seriously. 6% is far greater than inflation, and nobody is saying what will be “given up” by agreeing to $34 billion.

      The issue is not about defending high income earners’ money. It’s about whether the state budget needs to grow more than 6% to appease the people who put Dayton in office. And it isn’t the wealthy who have the “choke hold” but rather the GOP seems more influenced by middle income “Tea Party” types who believe government has grown too large and government employees are paid too much compared to those footing the bill.

    2. Mel says:

      Wouldn’t most farmers qualify as “rich” under the Dayton tax code? Help me understand how taxing farmers and business owners is going to help? I wonder how many of these other states that the article addressed raised taxes to balance their budget. While the libs accuse republicans of catering to their wealthy voter base, Dayton is aldo catering to his union and welfare recipient base. It goes both ways people, but at the end of the day, Dayton is our Governor. The burden of the responsibility rests on him. That is the nature of the beast. I wonder if this is why Dayton was an unproductive senator.

      1. Brady says:

        Mel, go back to 5th grade civics class and pull your fingers out of your ears.

        It is based on “net” income. Yes, farmers earn 100’s of thousands of dollars when they sell their crops or livestock. However, by the time they finally pay off everything it took to raise those crops or animals, they “net” very little.

        Of course, that is much different on the corporate farms and all their tax loopholes (oh forgive me GOP – available tax avoidances)

  6. Mn hurting from Rep. Failures says:

    Funny how the previous republican Gov. Pawlenty passed on this mess to Dayton and now the republicans are making their stand. This is a farce. If you live in MN, it is evident that two terms of a republican Gov. have lowered our standard of living. Hang in there Gov. Dayton…the state needs you and appreciates your commitment to turning around Pawlenty’s failures.

    1. Ferris Lind says:

      zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    2. michelle says:

      Pawlenty had to work with a Democratic controlled House and Senate at the time. He compromised and THAT is why we have a deficit!!! At least there was no shutdown…

      1. Citizen says:

        T-Paw did not compromise. The legislature overrode his vetoes and made them irrelevant. And the Minnesota courts overturned his presumption of vetoing item unconstitutionally. T-Paw never worked WITH anyone.

        1. Dale in IGH says:

          Citizen,
          So in other words it was the Democratic Budget during the T-Paw years that was kicked down the road? If I remember correctly, TPaw was trying to veto several parts of the bill that would have reduced the overall budget. Libs find it a great talking point that we are stuck with this debt because of Tpaw, but as you point out, it was acgtually the Democrats that forced it thru.

          1. Angell says:

            Great point Dale! Citizen has made many post boasting that it was Pawlenty’s fault we have a deficit in the State of MN. Now he is eating his words. Must taste awful!

          2. One SIded says:

            Funny how the liberals say “tax the rich”, tax the rich”, tax the rich” and then some of them “rich” liberals are caught cheating on their taxes!

            Party line supporters can only blame the opposite party….they are consistantly inconsistant. The legislature passing spending bills but the governor gets the blame, but when their governor is in office it is now the legislature to blame.

            I don’t remember, but did the republicans even try to over turn Dayton’s veto?

            1. Citizen says:

              No, the GOP did not try to override the Governor’s veto.

          3. Citizen says:

            @Dale. You have two Citizens posting here. One is me, the Populist, and the other is…. I have no idea. But you are all getting us mixed up, so I will once again withdraw from posting. There is little left to say on this subject anyway.

        2. spend less says:

          So if the legislature over rode his veto that would mean the debt on our state falls to the hands of the dems. They were in full controll of the house and senate. So you see what we got. Now the repubicans have the house and senate and they are tring to hold the line on spending. This is so simple to see.

          1. Claire says:

            Not for Citizen,

            He would rather cast blame on the Republicans for evrything wrong in his life.

            1. Citizen says:

              @Claire. Nice to see someone else is posting as Citizen and has you confusing the two of us. I am the Citizen who can’t stand you, and this is my last post because this topic has been done to death. And, by the way, I don’t blame the GOP for what is wrong in my life, because my life is really quite wonderful. I blame the GOP for what it is doing to America.

        3. Darby says:

          The only veto over ride was for the gas tax. Pawlenty signed the budget then tried to unallot, which was determined to be unconstitutional. He did veto the tax increases which were not over ridden . Given that Pawlenty should know what the rules are the shortage on the budget is on him as was his solution.. As was his pattern, Pawlenty was trying to find an easy way out. http://www.mnbudgetproject.org/research-analysis/minnesota-taxes/tax-proposals-policy-changes/2009-tax-policy-changes

          1. dan says:

            So Darby, What you are saying is that Pawlenty wanted to lower the budget, but was denied by the courts so he was stuck with what the Democrats passed off as an unbalanced budget. Great point

      2. Tom says:

        @ Michelle

        Apparently you didn’t hear T-Paw at the last debate that he left MN with a budget surplus! Where is this surplus?

        Michelle we did have a govt shutdown when T-Paw was Gov it lasted about 8 days.

      3. lost faith says:

        Michelle Mr. T-Paw’s did have a shutdown in 2005.

      4. Crazy Rep says:

        Michelle,
        Not one is buying your snake oil.

        1. Brady says:

          Give Michelle a minute – she’s out re-writing wiki to remove any evidence of T-Paw’s shutdown.

          Wiki Whacking!

    3. Willis says:

      Blame the other guy if things aren’t going your way. That’s a true sign of strength and ability to take ownership. Bravo! Well done. (here’s a hint on how to start, no really, listen, it’s really quite simple: Stop spending everyone’s money, it’s not the answer to this problem).

  7. TOM says:

    Vote them all out in 2011 and 2012, until they are all gone, YOU ARE FIRED

  8. Deb says:

    Hang in there Dayton!! Benson can just realize we can make some cuts, and still raise the taxes on the upper crust, she just doesn’t want to give up her perks!!! ALL CONGRESS NEEDS TO TAKE NO PAY DURING THIS TIME!!! ALL! Anyone of them Republican or Democrat, NO PAY, till they settle this!!
    REPUBLICAN’S holding Minnesota hostage!!!!!!!!

    1. Melissa says:

      Does that include Dayton!!! When is enough spending enough in America, what would happen if you lived outside your means! The only difference with is all us hard working Americans are the ones that suffer! I am middle class and if I spend outside my means I suffer the recourse no one is there to bail me out. Someone needs to start looking out for EVERYONE!!! But it is about time someone says enough is enough whether I agree with them or not! I sure hope those Republicans stand firm and make what to me is going to be the that could possibly give us a chance! Tell me what good is printing money and taxing the only ones that can afford to keep this country and our economy going going to do. I think we need to start in the capital and the white house and when they give up their money then they can come to us!!

  9. StraycatStrut says:

    We are already the highest taxed state in the Union…… time to get it together and cut the spending FIRST before the usual Demcrat problem solving event of “raising taxes”. The problem is spending. Hopefully the state cut services to the Gov Mansion on Summit.

    1. kieron says:

      Citation needed for statistic of “highest taxed state,” please.

      1. dan says:

        Number 11 out of 50 states according to the Stte of MN website. Looks like 39 other states have figured out a way to run a State without further burdon on its citizens

  10. Deb says:

    Well Mark they know how to negociate!!!! You can bet that the republicans will not suffer!!

    1. Tim K says:

      And how do you lnow that ?

      1. Socialsim Rules! says:

        We can make the republicans kowtow to our demands by merely shutting this government down. Yes, very cool.

        1. Mike says:

          go get a job

          1. Pragmatic in MN says:

            Lets keep in mind that there is about $3 to $4 Billion more in this budget than the last budget. Roughly a 5% increase, I don’t know about the rest of you but in this current economic environment if you get a 5% raise you should be greatful and live within your means.

            Inevitably a tax on the wealthy leads to a tax on the middle income. Do we really want to go down this slippery slope?

            1. Tom F says:

              Any proof? Bold statement from someone with no evidence.

              1. Crazy Rep says:

                Agreed Tom F.

              2. Lucifer says:

                The state’s last budget forecast anticipated a shortfall over $5 billion over two years starting in July 2011.[7] Estimates by state finance officials show that maintaining all programs currently mandated by state law would cost $5.8 billion more in the next biennial budget than the $33 billion the state spent in the prior biennium.[8]

                The Governor wants to make budget cuts and raise some taxes, whereas Republicans oppose increasing taxes and rely on cuts. Gov. Dayton, a Democrat, wants to spend $35.8 billion, funded in part by a $1.8 billion tax increase on the state’s top earners, whereas Republicans who hold House and Senate majorities say they will not spend more than $34 billion and they reject any tax increase.[9]

                The $34 billion offered by republicans is a 3% increase over last years actual spending. Dayton wants a 8.4% increase to offset lost stimulus funds (another Obama Failure). Seems to me a 3% incease is pretty generous in this economic environment. This shutdown is TOTALLY Dayton’s fault and I hope our conservative legislatures stand firm. He11, keep the government shut down until after the 2012 elections when most of the remaining progressive liberals will be gone.

            2. Not greedy says:

              @Pragmatic in MN actually yes, I want to go down that route, raise the taxes

            3. moth says:

              ya know it said in Sundays paper it has increased each year for 40 years at 11% a year…I don’t get a 11% raise every year who does?

              You have this much money that’s it DAYTON now spend it wisely

              1. Wasteful spending has to stop. says:

                I agree with moth. there so much wasted spending on data analysis projects that usually end up no where. In addition, every department has positions where people have been put into because they are the favorite son’s and daughters of the department. They pay well, but have little substance. I think if we looked over every department budget, flow charts we could find where this money is being wasted. Eliminating this wasteful spending will enable the front line service providers to more effectively serve the public.

                1. jordanj says:

                  Good idea, but we can post all day long with no changes. We vote people in thinking it will change, but it does not. What do we do?

                2. Citizen says:

                  @jordanj. Civil disobedience is always an option. We can protest in the streets and on the capital steps. Remember the 60’s? It was the people in the streets and the demonstrations, the sacrifices of the freedom riders in the south, the courage of a lone black woman on a bus, and more that helped obtain truly equal civil rights and women’s rights. Helped end a war in Viet Nam. We have to show the politicians we are serious about these issues and sometimes that means putting ourselves on the picket line. At the minimum, it means writing your legislator or calling his/her office. I do it all the time and rarely do I get a response, but I keep up the rhetoric. And then we all have to follow through and vote them out!

    2. bill says:

      Yah, like the libs are any better! Worse, this stste is becoming another California thanks to the libs and M.N coward, I mean nice.

    3. Anti-Teabagger says:

      The Republican Party: Our Bridge to the 11th Century

      1. Willis says:

        Wrong. Modern liberalism is the path to not only the 11th century, but to complete RUIN! What a moron. Can you libbies grow up this century, and realize the tea party and the like are all about moving forward with a strong nation, a prosperous one with liberty for all. Remember that in history class did you attend ever? You’re so hung up more than likely on being afraid of religion and believe all republicans are out to make people poor, the typical spoon fed lines from self destructive demoncrats, lines that are that are eagerly swallowed by you.

        1. Tt says:

          Wrong. Modern Republicans are selfish moronic imbeciles who only think about themselves. Their time is over. Wake up and stand together and fix this country, or there wont be a country left for anyone.

          1. Citizen says:

            As the rich and the corporations loot this country and send those windfalls to the Cayman Islands or to tax shelters, our enemies stand watching and waiting for the right moment to pounce. As the taxpayers and citizens squabble among themselves over who is right or wrong, our enemies still wait. They are patient. They own a lot of investments in America. Our land and resources are valuable to them. They bide their time while the wealthy and the corporations betray the majority of the citizens and our government does nothing. Divide and conquer has always worked throughout history.

            1. Middle of the road says:

              Divide and concur is working perfectly now by the DEMOCRATS and REPUBLICANS alike.

            2. The Dude says:

              So true. Just wait until everyone here has to put their eyes on the big prize–the federal gov’t. shut down is next and it’s gonna make this look like a speck. The real economists know that the middle class is gonna pay–that’s where the money is on the federal level. While the caliphate holds their meetings during this Arab Spring, we idle.

            3. Umpire says:

              Dear Citizen-

              No divide and conquer this morning, just common sense ! The people who work have said through their representatives that the idiotic spending of big government must end. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. We are a nation of workers and capitalists, not Marxism and unending welfare programs. That message is coming to Washington very soon too.

              Your point about our enemies: “our enemies still wait. They are patient” is right on! It seems at last you are finally agreeing after all your populist writings that America must continue MAJOR spending on keeping our national defense strong!

              Welcome back to the Republican Party!

              Umpire

              1. Citizen says:

                @Umpire. Please do not insult me by welcoming me “back to the Republican Party.” Our enemies do not care about either party. The Roman Empire fell from within despite its powerful army and wealthy citizens. The barbarians waited patiently at the borders. I think Pogo said it best a long time ago, “We have met the enemy and he is us.”

                1. Umpire says:

                  Just having fun with you Citizen! I knew it would not take you long to reply!

                  I can’t help but notice that you did not chastise me for suggesting national defense needs to be a continued priority for America. At least we agree on that, correct?

                  You said, “The Roman Empire fell from within despite its powerful army and wealthy citizens. The barbarians waited patiently at the borders.” This is very interesting to me.

                  Are you now advocating closing our borders, finishing the border wall, hiring more INS agents, conducting more raids, deporting more illegals, etc., etc.? Are these not the modern barbarians that threaten to destroy The American Empire?

                  If you agree with this line of thinking, you sure are sounding more and more like a Republican to me these days!

                  Umpire

                2. Citizen says:

                  @Umpire. We are rotting from within just as Rome did. The barbarians were opportunists just as our enemies will be. I think of China before I think of Mexico. Mexico has already de facto taken over Texas, California, New Mexico, Arizona where the Hispanic population already comprises over 50% of those states’ population. No, the Chinese have managed to lure our corporations to their country and they have access to much of our technology. As the U.S. grows weak internally and economically largely because of corporate defections outside the U.S. border, they are the ones I fear. The Chinese are the oldest civilization on the planet and are just as inscrutable as they have ever been. They have the demographics and the economic might. Remember that old saying that he who has the gold makes the rules. The Chinese have but to nationalize the U.S. corporations over there….

                3. Umpire says:

                  You make sense as always, even if you do always seem to believe conspiracies are everywhere! But you failed to answer my questions:

                  1.) Do you favor shutting done our borders and strictly controlling immigration?

                  2.) Do you favor even more spending on National Defense?

                  Thanks for your reply!

                  Umpire

                4. Citizen says:

                  @Umpire. To answer your questions. Having worked on the immigration side of the federal government, I can tell you that the borders can be controlled but never closed. If you put up an 8 foot fence, the illegals will get a 10 foot ladder. Both the cost to add security at the border or to deport illegals from the interior is prohibitive–taxpayers would never stand for the costs. I think spending on defense for the United States should be whatever it needs to be to keep us safe–I am against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. We are fulfilling our NATO obligations in Tripoli–but that is all we should do. Now that Gaddafi has been declared a war criminal I predict that conflict will be over soon. Sure wished that would have happened with Saddam Hussein. My biggest concern right now is the ongoing failure to raise the U.S. debt ceiling. That has to be done whether any of us like it or not. We can ill afford to throw the world’s financial markets into turmoil if it isn’t raised. Our enemies will love the show and our allies will be furious with us. I have long been concerned about world markets and finances.

                5. Umpire says:

                  I know you claim to be a Populist, but in a two party system that choice isn’t realistic. You sure sound more like a Republican than a socialist Democrat to me Citizen.

                  Glad to see you favor a strong defense and tightening our borders even if you are reluctant to say it.

                  Have a great 4th!

                  Umpire

            4. Citizen of what? says:

              If you’re that paranoid you should probably become a citizen of some other country that isn’t being stalked and pounced on by enemies. Maybe Canada eh?

      2. bs says:

        You would love a tea-bag.

    4. Anti- Bigger Govt says:

      Please explain how a 6% increase in overall spending is a cut?

      1. joe hatcher says:

        dont you think its odd that the same party that wont raise taxer on the rich will turn around and have two outstate senators introduce a bill for a vikings playground that willnot affect the taxes of there own district? the replublicans in doing that proved that they will spend beyand oue meens as long as it dosent effect them

      2. ThinkItThrough says:

        Because the state population grows every year and everything costs more. How much did gas cost two years ago? Healthcare? Construction materials? If you have have to provide more expensive services to more people on the same amount of money, then you have to cut services.

    5. Bb says:

      Then maybe you should cut corporate welfare to the rich, I would think your very tiny little nipple would be more than sore from that. Ya go after those that have nothing, while the rich rob you blind, you right wing little twit.

      1. Sara says:

        YES! What amazes me is that the “right wing twits” that you see on here defending the Republicans/protection of the rich from taxation are suffering all the repercussions of this and getting NONE of the benefits.

        It does not make sense to side with the “right wing” unless you are rich. Otherwise, you are just their stupid pawns.

        1. John says:

          People who expect the rich to support everyone else are worthless maggots!!

          Sarah before you post look up your facts about who Dayton considers the rich. Small business owners & farmers are just a couple.

          1. Another common man says:

            Really? You can’t be a farmer or small business owner and be rich?!? Is that a law?

          2. Les Johnson says:

            “People who expect the rich to support everyone else are worthless maggots!!”

            Except nobody expects that.

            Minor detail you may have thought to consisder before your “worthless maggots” comment, don’t you think, Johnny boy?

        2. The Tick says:

          @Sara: “It does not make sense to side with the “right wing” unless you are rich. Otherwise, you are just their stupid pawns.”

          Or perhaps there are those of us that think people should be rewarded for working hard, taking risks, getting an education, selecting a valued profession, saving and investing, and taking personal responsibility for ourselves instead of relying on the government to take care of us. The fact that Dayton has inheritance guilt and has never actually had to work to support himself does not invalidate the values of those who have.

    6. ItsTheSpendingStupid says:

      Revenue is not the issue here, it’s the spending. We have a budget, if fact we have a budget increase. Simple – live within those guidelines, just like the rest of us.

      “Tax the Rich” is just another delusional diversion of the problem from Dayton. Divisive politics of envy works well on weak minds.

      By the way – I say you owe me $1million dollars, but I’ll compromise on half that. Just as meaningful

      1. Just Cause says:

        @tsTheSpendingStupid No it’s not the spending, it’s the economy. Because the economy is down, unemployment is up, spending is down which results it decreased revenue

        1. jordanj says:

          So Just Cause, are you spending as much now as you did 4 years ago? Duh….so budget the money we do have with spending cuts as every Minnesotan has to. Live within our means!

          1. Just Cause says:

            @jordanj comparing a government budget to a family budget is just wrong, if you told a CEO of a company with 20,000 (or 5k) employees to treat his/her company budget like he does his family, he’d laugh at you.

            But OK, lets go with your analogy, if my family had budget issues because we didn’t make enough to make end meet I’d first cut luxury items (Pawlenty did that for 8 years, I have friends who work at assisted living homes, he crippled them).

            Next I would increase income by getting a second job (in government speak this is revenue increase through tax increases.). If that still didn’t solve it my wife would get a second job….

            So basically we’ve done cutting but we’ve been unwilling to increase revenue for 8 years, time to take the next step.

            I never answered your original question, my income has went up 30% over the past 4 years so I spend more and I’m taxed more. I’m fortunate.

            1. The Tick says:

              “Next I would increase income by getting a second job (in government speak this is revenue increase through tax increases.). If that still didn’t solve it my wife would get a second job….”

              Nonsense. This is not equivalent to the government raising taxes. The government would actually have to provide a service that citizens voluntarily purchase for your comparison to be valid. If Dayton would like to sell hotdogs and brats to fund his spending plan, then I’m all for it. A much more apt analogy would be you see your neighbor across the street come home with his weekly paycheck and realize he has the money you need. You confiscate his check and solve your problem. You see, the difference is that you coerced your neighbor into giving you money just as the government can compel you to pay taxes.

              You also confuse raising revenue with raising tax rates. If an economy is growing, then the exact same tax rate will bring in more revenue in rough proportion to the rate of growth of the economy. Consumption taxes are inherently more efficient and stable than income taxes, but that’s another matter.

              1. The Dude says:

                I would just like to say…your choice of “The Tick” has made my day. I loved that cartoon!

                1. The Tick says:

                  Spoon!

                2. The Dude says:

                  Right on! Glad to know you were true to your name! Spoon!

              2. Just Cause says:

                @The Tick “You also confuse raising revenue with raising tax rates” No sorry I didn’t, I was using the childish analogy given to me to best map out what a government would do that is analogous to a family budget.

                Governments don’t have to provide a service, that citizens voluntarily buy to raise revenues. You can look it up if you’re still unsure, but there is actually a law that states our local, state and federal governments can increase taxes.

                For federal it actually in the constitution “The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States”, kinda cool isn’t it

                1. The Tick says:

                  @Just Cause

                  You didn’t really read my comment. Of course the government has the power to levy taxes, but that is not the same thing as an individual getting a second job and increasing their income. It’s weakly analogous in that both actions, the 2nd job and raising taxes both raise income, but my analogy is far more equivalent. I could make it more equivalent by having your entire neighborhood vote to take your neighbor’s paycheck, but I think that’s already understood. In order to be equivalent to what an individual does the government would have to offer a service that I could voluntarily decline just as an employer could voluntarily decline to offer me a job. If the government were to sell some assets, now that would actually be a fair comparison to what an individual or a family could do (eBay to the rescue), but raising taxes is simply not the same thing or even a very good analogy. The government can legally coerce while the individual needs to engage in a mutually agreed upon exchange.

                2. The Tick says:

                  I would also add that I’m not completely opposed to the government raising additional revenue, but I’d like to see it in the form of a consumption tax. Not only does that reward good behavior such as saving and investing but it is intrinsically proportional, i.e. the more you consume the more you pay in direct proportion, and it discourages tyranny of the majority or economic bills of attainder as everyone has some skin in the game.

      2. Tom says:

        @ItsTheSpendingStupid

        You lost the revenue argument when T-Paw and the GOP had tp ask US Bank to set aside alot of money just in case the state could not pays its bill with his last budget. So if we didn’t have a revenue problem there would have been no reason to ask US Bank to have that money set a side just in case.

  11. joe says:

    We are not the highest-taxed state in the nation. In fact, we’re below average. It’s amazing how conservative lemmings insist upon this mantra.

    1. No below average says:

      Below average? Minnesota is ranked 7th in 2008. Here is a link from the MN tax department.

      http://taxes.state.mn.us/legal_policy/pages/research_reports_tax_rankings_historical_tables.aspx

    2. michelle says:

      Another liberal who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.

    3. Hunter says:

      Ladies and Gentleman, Joe provides us with an excellent example that our MN herd needs to be thinned out some. Holy Shmoly, ignorance at it’s finest.

  12. Cache says:

    Will you quit posting when they don’t get back pay? It has been clear from news reports that here will be no back pay. To get back pay there would have to be reworking of contracts.

    1. Jake says:

      How about leaving the “non-essential” goverment functions shut down until we’ve saved 2 billion, and then we can all agree to the remaining 34 billion dollar budget, link arms, and skip happily into the future.

      1. DJP says:

        I agree. If something is non-essential, lets keep it out of the budget. HOWEVER, I do not agree with everything listed as non-essential. I saw some of the councils listed as non-essential that we COULD do without…Latin American…Asian American…Hispanic, etc. Why do they all need a council…are they not all Americans?? THAT would save money. I am sure there are more “councils” that are not necessary and could remain closed.

        1. jordanj says:

          I agree, all citizens of America should think of themselves as Americans PERIOD. Enough of the hyphenated Americans.

  13. Fact says:

    Might want to check your facts. Unemployed state workers do not get any form of back pay.

    1. kieron says:

      @ Fact what do you expect from this taxwaste guy? He camps out somewhere south of MN and gloats and/or complains about anything he disagrees with. Also, no such website exists, but then maybe that’s kind of the point.

      1. Mark from Minnesota Tax Waste says:

        You might want to goggle Minnesota Tax Waste and see what shows up

    2. Mark from Minnesota Tax Waste says:

      Really, you might want to read their contracr

    3. Jake says:

      They will draw unemployment checks, however . . . .

  14. Liz says:

    Can I still get a marriage license in Minnesota?

    1. Sarah in Outstate MN says:

      No, you can’t. The law states you can get one 6 months before getting married, but you must file within 1 week after getting married.

      1. CHESTER says:

        NO state laws don’t specify that you buy your marriage license 6 months before the get married but sorry Liz no licenses for anything will be avalible

        1. Cache says:

          Can get one, not must get one 6 months in advance. Words

      2. Les Johnson says:

        I got a marriage license less than 48 hours before my wedding, so I’m not sure that’s true, Sarah…

        1. Congratulations Les! says:

          In New York, last week?

    2. Local Government is still open for business says:

      Call your local government offices and ask…can’t remember if they issue them or if they’re done via the state government offices.

  15. rtn says:

    It’s funny how Ziggy and the Vikings are awfully silent.

    1. Does anyone want to listen to the taxpayers? says:

      Maybe silent as far as public statements or information is concerned but they have been anything but silent among themselves. Dayton and the Wilfs are in daily contact with each other. Once the budget crisis is over, you will see a stadium bill shoved through very quickly with no fanfare, just increased taxes for Minnesota tax payers.

      People on both sides of the stadium issue don’t seem to really understand “the bottom line” which, in its simplest form, places the cost sharing at $425 million Vikings, $350 million local community and user taxes, and $300 million all taxpayers (approximate dollar amounts).

      Both sides are passionate in their feelings about this issue and attempt to make this a “right” or “wrong” argument. There is no right or wrong with this, it’s simply a matter of making a choice as to how taxpayer money is to be used; therefore, the taxpayers, not Dayton, not the Wilfs, not the legislators, should be the group who decides the outcome.

      Unfortunately for both sides, our elected officials are, for the most part, making their decisions on either their personal beliefs or on how they may personally benefit, not on what their constituents want. Again, that is a case for a state-wide referendum to settle this issue once and for all.

      1. darth ninja says:

        The Vikings are a state symbol. We held out long enough and made back the money on the Metrodome long ago. The state is getting less of the burden than other places across the country. The state will also be able to generate lots of revenue in future NCAA Final Fours (which they weren’t going to get another one in the dome) and a Super Bowl. We put the stadium bill off as long as possible and if the tax payer had to vote today it would go through by a hefty margin.

  16. mary says:

    Dayton wants to raise taxes – and he can’t even tell us what he needs the money for! What kind of logic is that?

    1. Cache says:

      What find of laziness or willful ignorance are you showing. it was called his budget proposal. You can not see it now as the state shutdown

      1. MN Nice says:

        MN nice at it’s best? Lazy….Ignorant….anything else you want to add?

  17. Keith says:

    Folks, we did this to ourselves. We elected a congress that campaigned on the idea that we are taxed enough and need to stop our wasteful spending and then turned around and elected a governor that campaigned on the platform that we need to “Tax the richest Minnesotans”. Guess what folks, I would bet that the largest portion of “rich” Minnesotans donated to the “No more taxes” congresspeople. You all should have seen this one coming.

  18. Bob says:

    Dayton the “bobble head” is playing up to the typical majority of the nanny state liberals. When will he and they learn that we have a spending problem and the conservative citizens of this state are finally standing up holding their elected legislators feet to the fire and telling them DON”T give in. Dayton could get his “tax on the rich” if he cut the same amount out of the budjet but he won’t because all he knows is how to spend.

  19. Mike Merker says:

    well this doesn’t faze me but, how isn’t this shutdown Daytons fault? He vetoed a balanced budget, he ordered his staff not to meet with the leadership to negotiate a budget. After only 30 minutes of negotiating Dayton took his ball and went home.
    Republicans passed a bill to keep the lights on and to keep negotiating and Dayton vetoed that! So yeah it’s The trust fund babies fault, glad he doesn’t need to take a paycheck since he has never needed one.

    1. Cache says:

      Ignorance runs rampant. The bills passed were not balanced, meetings were longer than 30 minutes. How did the GOP pass a lights on bill when there was no special session? Ignorance and lies are spreading like flies on dung

      1. MN Nice says:

        More MN nice at it’s best? Ignorant…liers…anything else you want to add?

        1. Cache says:

          Definition of IGNORANCE
          : the state or fact of being ignorant : lack of knowledge, education, or
          * On
          Mile Merker stated the the GOP passed a balanced budget. Far too many people have shown the fallacy of that.

          Entry from World dictionary
          Pronunciation:/lʌɪ/
          noun

          *
          an intentionally false statement:they hint rather than tell outright lies

          Entry from World dictionary
          Pronunciation:/lʌɪ/
          noun

          *
          an intentionally false statement:they hint rather than tell outright lies

          Mile Merker sated that Dayton met for only 30 minutes

          http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/06/30/rank-and-file-gop-minn-lawmakers-fear-shutdown/
          Your comment is gracious?

          1. MN Nice says:

            A definition of IGNORANCE and name calling accomplishes what? The GOP is the only party that tells half truths? Do you have any solutions that both parties can agree on? Anything constructive you can offer? What’s your definition of “Minnesota nice?”

            A comment expresses an opinion. I did not give an opinion. Is my comment gracious? No, it wasn’t a comment, it was a question. Was the question gracious? Absolutely, it was courteous to allow you to answer whether you believe that calling people names is being “Minnesota NIce.” Your answer to that question will determine my opinion. You answered the 2nd question because you wanted to add more.

            1. Cache says:

              I notice you choose not to chastise the negative comments directed towards Governor Dayton. Ignorance, lies, lazy are all descriptive terms. Bobble head, bug eyed twit, crazy man, off his meds are all comments you choose to let fly as acceptable. There are plenty other comments set is a negative derogatory tone that you do not comment on. So perhaps your Mn Nice is not really altruistic. As seeing that you are selective and the direction of your selectivity why should I care of your opinion?

            2. Quentin says:

              You were called out and shut up.

        2. dept. of redundancy dept. says:

          You already said that, MN Nice.

    2. Just Cause says:

      wow, I hadn’t read it before this morning but the Republicans in the middle of a contentious budget battle included amendments on limiting abortions, bans on some stem cell research and voter IDs. Did they try to cause the shutdown?

      To me including this in the “lights on bill” is like having a house on fire, and then throwing gasoline on it. But maybe the story was wrong…

  20. Umpire says:

    Socialists 0-Capitalists 1

    Today it seems there just may be some hope for the future of business in Minnesota. Thank you GOP for standing tall together. Now on to Washington!

    Umpire

  21. n0mig says:

    Isn’t it amazing how the conservatives never think they possibly made an error? The Gov. told them to bring a total budget while protecting the aged, the infirm, and the poor. This kind of thinking is too radical for conservatives who are concentrating on imposing their version of Christian beliefs on everyone, i.e. no abortions, no gay marriage, protect the traditional family and human life while giving the go ahead to a “Make My Day” law for gun nuts.

    Gov. Dayton has tried to work with the Republicans but, if you think you are “The Chosen Ones” you never compromise. We may be shut down until the next election.

    Ever notice when they show photographs of Republicans they are universally white, middle aged or older, and overweight?

    1. Tart says:

      “Ever notice when they show photographs of Republicans they are universally white, middle aged or older, and overweight?”

      Wow! you sure make a lot of valid points Nomig… Way to bring a solid argument to the table.

      Some peoples kids I tell you.

      1. MN Nice says:

        More MN nice at it’s best? Old…overweight…anything else you want to add?

    2. dan says:

      You must have been in the closed door meetings all week to get this inside scoop. Did you not read the papers when they stated the GOP offered a temporary budget so the State would not have to shut down? Didnt think so, I guess Dayton wanted a July vacation.

    3. Hunter says:

      Ladies and Gentleman, n0mig provides us with an excellent example that our MN herd needs to be thinned out some. Holy Shmoly, ignorance at it’s finest.

    4. Tom says:

      @n0mig

      I agree with you! We might not be where we are if the GOP hadn’t wasted all that time with those other issues that had nothing to do with the budget. They may have scored brownie with nutty social conservatives, but how many social conservatives got pink slips recently from the state? But on other hand there might have been social conservatives who got pink slips if they work for the state and they probably thought it was small price to pay to be able to stick their nose into other peoples busniess regarding abortions and gay marriage, etc.

  22. fred says:

    some people actually expect politicians to do their jobs……good luck with all that.

  23. Al says:

    Daytons compromising approach is: I am going to hold my breath till you give me what I want! Which by the way is the typical DFL art of negoitiating. You don’t do what I want and I will strike.
    I feel for those that really need the help but there are thousands out there playing the government trough game too!!

    1. Cache says:

      The GOP approach was No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No. No. No. No No.

      1. dan says:

        And Dayton approach is spend, spend ,spend, spend money we dont have……..

        1. Philly says:

          SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND.

          We need more money…the rich have money right?

          SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND SPEND!

      2. CACHE says:

        Hey stop using my name!!!!

        1. Jeffrey says:

          Small Cache is so few ideas to share he coulndt even come up with his own online name. What a bozo

          1. MN Nice says:

            MN nice at it’s best? Small…bozo…anything else you want to add?

            1. Cache says:

              There are plenty of mean, nasty people posting on the board. There are plenty of people on this board can not respond to a thoughtful post with anything but insults, or name calling. Derogatory comments when you ca not make a case is the norm. CACHE is one of the worst for doing this. I have posted quit a few things with no response. Post something silly and look at the response. These people are pathetic
              Cache has been my nickname from my boyfriend for 20 years. Too bad CACHE. Quit using my name.

      3. Tunnel Vision says:

        And the DFL approach was NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO.

        Oh wait the DFL approach was VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO. VETO.

        Either way the DFL apprach was the same…. NO!

        And your point is what??? Nevermind, I know what you point is…ALWAY BLAME THE OTHER POINTS OF VIEW!

  24. EJ says:

    Too bad the Republicans were so busy worrying about gay marriage instead of working on the budget. They might have actually been done by the deadline if they had focused on economic issues instead of their religious agenda.

    1. Mike says:

      and the bug-eyed twit and his stadium is any different EJ? Drink more kool-aid from your lefty teet

      1. Les Johnson says:

        Yes it is different. We didn’t need any anti gay amendment. Period.

  25. Common Man says:

    How stupid can government get? Close the race track, the zoo, parks and lottery…the thngs that make money….? Now we can see how backwards things are run by our stupid government. Why do not they keep these tings open and make money on them? Our governerment can not do something as common sense as that no wonder so much money is wasted. Maybe holf of what they steal from us is wasted…

    1. Another common man says:

      True, these things likely make money, and if you were running a business instead of a government then these things would likely be the last things to close. I think they choose these things because morally they’re not essential to running government, which is why they choose to close them down.

    2. JMJ says:

      The government should not even be in the business of race tracks and zoo’s! They are both self sustaining, another example of governments wasteful spending.

  26. Middle of the road says:

    Note that for the past 38 years the legislature has been controlled by the Democrats. So all of our current laws anad spending was proposed and agreed to by the democrats. The one recent instance when a governor tried to rein in spending, they just over rode his veto. So while I greatly enjoy Minnesota and all it has to offer, I agree with a 0% increase for a while until we all get back on our feet. All the mud flinging here is getting us no where. We need to understand the legislature and who has done what and that will help us not to repeat these same mistakes and possibly leave somethng better for our children.

  27. mike says:

    I was at Target the other day and this Muslim women pulls out a EBT card to pay for groceries, then I notice a pile of cash in her wallet, this is why Dayton needs to raise Taxes!

    1. Right on, buddy!!! Right on!!! says:

      AMEN to that!!! I see exactly the same thing EVERY DAY over and over and over again. To top it off, these people drive off in their new, expensive car or SUV.

      They make NO attempt to assimilate into the American society, they butt in lines, they behave arrogantly and sometimes violently, they overwhelm our health care system and our schools, and they still demand their public dole!!!

      Continuing to support these people with taxpayer money IS INSANE!

    2. Sue says:

      Also why we have to close our borders. I’ve heard Somalian men, who work at Medtronics talk about second wives in their homes. The Muslim woman you refer to is probably a “second” wife, unmarried with children, and those “facts” make her eligible for EBT. Blatant disregard for our laws! America is sinking fast, too many liberals who want to help everyone, but not take away from themselves, have been in charge for too many years.

      1. Philly says:

        It’s Medtonic, not Medtronics. Not pluaral there Suses.

        1. Sue says:

          Maybe I added an s, but you spelled Medtronic wrong! I didn’t think this was a spelling quiz.

        2. Doc says:

          Another spelling error Philly, plural….Do you live in a glass house?

    3. Joe says:

      I’ve also heard Muslim men talk about second wives!

    4. bill says:

      I see this all the time at Cub Foods Lake Phalen while I am working. I am ready to explode.

      1. @bill says:

        “I am ready to explode”

        ummmm ….. You’re not one of those muslims are you bill

        (backing away slowly)

    5. Carl says:

      No you didn’t. I love it when Right wingers make up stories about somebody using the welfare system. most govt. money goes to helping all of us. Govt. medical aid, police/state troopers, etc……

      1. jordanj says:

        To Carl……..If all non-citizens were gone tomorrow, we would be out of the red quickly. Common Sense!

      2. Uninformed Carl says:

        Carl, shop at the Rainbow on Arcade today and get back to us.

        1. Look for yourself and you'll puke says:

          Or at Rainbow on Nicollet Avenue in south Minneapolis, just north of the border with Richfield. Just watch the checkout lines for 15 minutes or so … then go puke your guts out after what you see and tell me what a good thing welfare is.

    6. I see it every single day says:

      The following news item has been flying around the net lately. It’s about a person named Louis Cuff who used an EBT card on February 8, 2011 at Angeli’s Country Market in Menominee, WI to purchase $141.78 in lobsters and steaks. He was trying to sell them at a profit. Unlike most of them who get away with it, this one was arrested and has been charged with welfare fraud.

      I am a clerk at a gas station/convenience store. I could tell you literally hundreds of stories about welfare cheats. I know it’s only my personal opinion but I am only aware of one family who are customers here and who seem to genuinely in need of help; and they don’t abuse the help they do get, at least not in this store. Everyone else I see, and I do mean everyone else, is either cheating, trying to cheat, or drives off in a vehicle that costs way more than I could afford.

      The welfare system in Minnesota is an enormous waste of tax dollars. Most of the people on welfare don’t deserve one penny of it.

      1. Cindy says:

        What about the EBT users who purchase an item for less than a dollar and get extra cash back and then get back in line to repeat this until they get enough cash. They do this many times. EBT cards should not allow cash back, pay for all needed items with the EBT cards. I do not want someone using my money for the Casino, liquor, cigs, etc.

        1. Casinos love welfare money says:

          Agreed. And for those of you who don’t think those welfare dollars go to the casinos, just stop at Mystic Lake today. The crowds will be swollen with welfare recipients who just got their monthly dole.

          They’ll gamble and hope for the big win before they’ll feed their children.

          1. Cindy says:

            I like to gamble too, but I haven’t been to the Casinos in years because I don’t have enough money beyond necessities. The person on Welfare is far smarter than I am.

  28. Umpire says:

    Dear nomig-

    “Ever notice when they show photographs of Republicans they are universally white, middle aged or older, and overweight?”

    You must be really be upset this morning to make such a comment! It appears you are not handling this well at all. You might want to consider getting some exercise as it freshens the body and mind.

    I just got back from my morning jog. I saw TPAW running while I was out on my run. Is he ever looking trim!

    Gotta go. After my daily morning Bible study class at church I am off to the gun range for some target practice with my new Glock 45 pistol! They I have to make signs for an anti abortion anti gay marriage protest that is coming up next week.

    Have a a nice day!

    Umpire

    1. Jean says:

      Love it! I’m with you every step of the way!

  29. oldgentleman says:

    It really isn’t about taxing the rich. It’s about Health and Human Services – the hundred of thousands of Minnesotan who would go with the services they need under the GOP cuts. Taxing the upper 2% as a means to serve the lowest percentage (far greater than 2%), Maybe a compromise is for the GOP to put forth some alternatives of how to fund the HHS cuts Minnesotans need them to drop.

  30. jordanj says:

    Welcome to my world of unemployment. Everyone talks about entitlements, well I think working for the Government, whether it’s Federal or State,is the biggest entitlement. That’s where all cuts should begin IMMEDIATELY! At least we’ll save a few dollars today.

    1. michelle says:

      I work for the federal govt. and although there are a few losers in my office, most of us work extremely hard and care about the people we serve. It’s people like you who make me wonder why I even try so hard.

      1. jordanj says:

        You’re going back to work no matter what you wonder because it’s far better than working at Walgreens or CVS for 8.25 per hour. You make far more and have better benefits that the “real world” workers. Count your blessings!

  31. Stacey says:

    I am a state employee and we DO NOT get back pay! Where on earth did you come up with that?! I understand freedom of speech but make you sure you know what your talking about before you post it!

    1. Free at last! says:

      No back pay? Promise?

      The sun is shining, traffic was flowing freely and now I find out that you state workers aren’t on some kind of union backed vacation.

      You made my day🙂

  32. Dogbert says:

    Amy get your big legs off of me. You remind me of something in a forest, I think a tree.

    1. MN at it's best! says:

      Minnesota nice from a DFLer? Show us a picture of yourself!

  33. The sausage sisters says:

    Well, just to show that both parties are equally ridiculous, I have the same thought when I see that queenpin of the democrats, Margret Anderson Kelliher.

    And to show I can take it as well as give it, I look a bit like a stuffed sausage too – but not nearly as bad as either of these women.

  34. Stacey says:

    There is no backpay from the State or the Union! Do you verify your facts before you spew your garbage on here?

    1. we will get back pay says:

      In 2005 we received back pay when we were called back to work. We will get back pay when it is done.

  35. Thomas Jefferson says:

    That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. ………………….And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

  36. Another common man says:

    LOL! You can look at this issue anyway you want and try to justify your stance (hopefully without the personal attacks on specific types of people).

    The fact is Dayton doesn’t want to cut programs (specifically HHS), and the Republicans don’t want to raise taxes on the wealthy. You can try to cloud this issue through partisan talk one way or another. But it’s simple; vote for the side you think is right come election for the next state congress.

    Personally I’d like to know how much of an increase they are talking about, from what current levels. If it’s a 1-2% gross tax increase on the richest top 2% (EXAMPLE ONLY (as I don’t know what the exact tax rate is) meaning the tax rate goes from 7.5% to 9.5%) then I say I’m all for it. If it’s hgiher than a 2% gross increase on the top 2% then I say they need to do some cutting beyond that.

  37. Irv says:

    Anyone ask their Representatives or Senators who is willing to not collect their paycheck while the shutdown is running? I did. Both of mine will be collecting full pay and benefits. Both GOP members. Both unwilling to budge on negotiations. Who are they looking out for? Certainly not greater Minnesota.

  38. brianh says:

    The only reaason they want a special session is so they can suck some more money out of our pockets.Hey if you can’t do your job get a different job,I say that if they go back for special session they should have to start paying us for every day they take to figure it out,instesd of us having to pay them more to do their job,apparetly they don’t think they make enough money for doing nothing!!! Oh excuse me for putting state workers out of work I guess they want their paychecks too.

  39. CACHE says:

    Time to recall this crazy man…more and more evidence comes to light about how erratic (nuts) Mr. tax and spend Dayto really is. This demonstrates that his “meds” are not working from a morning Dr. Jeckyl to Mr, Hide in the afternoon. Hey: to the other Cache on this site …stop using my name… as it is not your name!

    1. Cache says:

      See somewhere above. For there to be a recall of Dayton, people like you would have to do something. That is why it would never happen. You can hurl names and insults but not much else.

  40. For Crying out loud says:

    Gov Dayton needs to realize that you do not raise taxes on any group of people during this type of economy. He must either be drunk or not playing with full deck–ooooh wait a minute based on his past I guess both could be the issue.
    What a joke MN couldn’t produce a clean/normal candidate for Governor this past election. When you only have a joke to choose from then a Govt shutdown is what you get.

    Raising taxes on anyone during this economy is nuts. Learn to live within your means and pinch the penny a little when times are tough. Quit spending money when you don’ty have it. It is a simple concept; however when you have no life skills and more money than you know what to do with it, you don’t tend to think like the typical Minnesotan.

    I challenge someone on here to tell me why we NEED to raise the taxes on anyone right now.
    PS the taxes will not affect me, I don’t make that much; however I do know that we need to stop spending all the time

  41. Esther says:

    Where specifically has Dayton compromised? slightly changing his demand on taxing the rich is not compromise, and will not solve the budget problem. He needs to grow up and take responsibility and start making cuts to balance this budget. You can’t every year say that we need more and more money, at some point you need to go back and see where the money is going, and if it should still be going to those places at the rate that it is. Health and Human Services and Education are behemoths that suck money at unprecidented rates and show NO signs of improvement when more money is thrown at them.

    1. Another common man says:

      I think he has said he has compromised by stating he’ll make some spending cuts (which ones no one will say for sure (neither Rep. or Dem.), but he also wants to raise taxes at the same time, that’s the compromise he speaks of. The Republicans don’t want to raise taxes (on the top 2%) and want to just cut (HHS I believe – again I specifically never hear a specific on this point).

      Personally, you have three view-points; those of the top 2%, those who rely on HHS, and those stuck in the middle trying to figure out whether a change in government will effect them worse or better off in the next election!

  42. Jane says:

    Daytons refusal to pass a stop gap funding bill the republicans wanted makes no sense at all. Keep the state open while they keep negociating. Why hurt everybody except if he is trying to play politics with everybodys lifes.

  43. Cal says:

    Maybe if Immigrants, illegal or not, would spend their $’s here instead of sending millions or billions out of our Country, we wouldn’t be in such a dire financial predicament. Close our borders!

    1. jimmy says:

      Yes it’s all the immigrants fault
      http://www.shutdownshame.org/main/

    2. Braena says:

      People have always blamed the immigrants, no matter what economic/social/political predicament they happen to be in. The vast majaority of Americans are descendants of those immigrants. Pick a more convincing argument.

      1. Cal says:

        Braena…Can’t, its reality!

  44. Blame the one you see when you look into a mirror! says:

    Wow, look at the comments made here! And you expect the politicians you voted for to do anything else but hold your liberal or conservative hard lines? Get a clue! Compromise = the art of holding strong to your views and not budgeting. Way to go MN Americans…keep promoting and voting for politicians to hold your far right and left agendas. You want someone to blame??? Blame yourselves! WE’RE ALL TO BLAME!!! It’s pretty clear from the majority of posts that Minnesotans aren’t willing to accept compromise anymore than the politicians MINNESOTANS voted for are.

  45. Stacy says:

    All we ever hear is tax the rich tax the rich. Why don’t we start having the lower income start paying their fair share instead of just taking from the rest of us? I am not rich so the so called tax to the rich would not effect me but I can tell you I am tired of paying for all of these entitement programs for people who have either made bad choices in their lives, had children they can’t afford or just don’t want to work. I am also tired of hearing about the poor kids, I did not tell these people to have kids like rabbits. Nature, if we let it, has its way of weeding out those who can’t contribute to the rest of the herd.

  46. michelle says:

    Please come to the Superior and Chippewa National Forest Campgrounds this weekend!!! We are open and have plenty of empty sites. Also, support those county, Corps of Engineers, and private campgrounds too!!

  47. harry says:

    Long Live Democrat Socialists in MN. Thank you for what you do for us.

    1. Comrade Lenin and Chairman Mao says:

      Right on Comrade Harry-

      Now lets step up to a better society with Marxism and Communism. Power to the proletariat! Execute all the EVIL Republicans! All the broken and downtrodden but intellectually superior Democrats will be appointed to run this Brave New World!

      Comrade Lenin and Chairman Mao

  48. RDASPT says:

    Does anyone know if those responsible for the shut-down will be getting thier back-pay when it is over. While I know it wouldn’t hurt them much with thier under-the-table incomes unafected, but it might inconvenience them a little if all concerned from the governor on down were docked 2 days pay for every day thier action or inaction kept ANY state program shut down. On the other hand if the shut-down goes on long enough we mighttake care of the budget problems of trying to carry all of those people the state has been tasked with supporting because they wont get a job. Retired, Disabled and still paying taxes (RDASPT)

  49. Seriously says:

    Stacy-so those that need help because their husband was killed tragically by a drunk driver or had a family member tackle cancer but lose the battle & have nothing to pay the medical bills, there are a lot of people in situations that are unavoidable. Would you judge a widowed mom of three kids under 3 who lost her husband to a tragic accident using EBT to feed her kids as she desperately searches for a job? Hmmm…as there are those who abuse it but there are those who are in dire need of it. Is that a bad choice they made? Is it them having kids they can’t afford? Does she really not want to work as she applies to anything & everything she can find? Do her kids deserve to live on the streets because some man thought he should get in a car drunk & kill their provider?? Shame on you, God judges not you! Human compassion!

    1. Seriously out of touch says:

      Seriously, stuff it. Nobody is buying your sob story. You are ignorant.

  50. Ferris Lind says:

    your insane

    1. Republicans says:

      You are unable to spell correctly.

      1. jordanj says:

        Become a teacher! Put your skills to work.

        1. Citizen says:

          @jordanj. Are you talking to me? To Citizen? I was a teacher once, but (and this is aside from the discussion here), I went into teaching after being successful in another career and discovered that people who were never anything but teachers resent those who have teaching as a second or third career. And the experience from another job or profession is not appreciated. The teaching profession is just as myopic as any other can be, but, since teachers are supposed to be educators, the lack of open-mindedness is pretty appalling.

    2. Tisk Tisk says:

      his insane what? You didn’t finish.

  51. Concerned Minnesotan says:

    Let’s see…last year’s budget was 30 billion dollars. The Republicans want a new budget of approximately 34 billion, or a 12% increase. Gov. Dayton wants an increase of 28%. It seems to me there is an increase from this year’s budget either way.

    There is a deficit of $5 billion dollars, it needs to be taken care of. I think we need to have a real conversation in MN about the role of government in our lives, and how much the government should do. Finger pointing and blaming the “rich” will not help this situation.

  52. AA says:

    Um, didn’t the voters in November decided to vote for a Rebuplican ticket just to “shake things up?” Well, they got what they asked for.

  53. FreddieBaby says:

    Tony Sutton is a piece of pork.

    1. GOPSUX says:

      He is almost as fat as Amy Koch.

      1. Citizen says:

        Both of them are courting health problems later in life because of morbid obesity. They need to think about that as they cut services for the most vulnerable in this state. People are only one health crisis away from bankruptcy or going from paying to taxes to using services. None of us gets out of this world alive, and we don’t get to pick how or when we go.

        1. Southern MN Mom says:

          Citizen-

          Is there anything you are not an expert on?

          Southern Mn Mom

          1. Citizen says:

            Let’s see, there might be one….Nope, I’m an expert on everything. Eat your heart out!

          2. Warren says:

            Consider it would be evident to many that Citizen the populist has taken the time through life to read and remember.. In my opinion Citizen would take the time to research what he did not know before posting before stating untruths as fact. I wish more people would do this.
            Gaining knowledge and sharing it should not be chastised, but encouraged

  54. No easy fix says:

    No easy fix

    This is an example of politics overriding fiscal common sense… Five billion is a lot of money and it took years of bad decisions (and bad luck) by both parties to get here. Everyone wants a simple minded fix – cut services or raise taxes – and do it all in one year. It is time to look at this as a long term problem that will require short term compromise by increasing revenue and decreasing costs. Everyone is always wanting immediate results and that cannnot happen with five billion on the table.

    I don’t want to see taxes go up and up – but I also know that despite the retoric government services (and its employees) can contribute positively to the quality of life and the economy.

    I see one immediate fix that will produce long term positive change is to prevent lawmakers from creating complex bills that allow missuse of funding due to pork. Lawmakers constantly use the I’ll scratch your back line (and both sides do this) to the point where funding entended to fix one problem is also diverted to be used for something totally unrelated.

    In the short term – raise some form of revenue even if taxes (capped and with a limited term) and then start working on the complex problem of running state government more efficiently from here on – and no savings should be considered too small to take advantage of. A combination of reeling in politicians ability to produce pork laden bills and empowering government workers to cut costs at all levels. Trying to label this a DEM vs REP or union vs non-union will not get anyone anywhere….

  55. Nica says:

    Stand strong Gov. Dayton!

    1. Guy says:

      And stop crying…we won’t let the mean ol Republicans HURT you …

  56. Another common man says:

    People in this room should stop judging others (both sides)! Judge not, lest yea yourself be judged!

    I’m not a church person, but I do believe a great deal in this saying!

    It’s ludicrious to think that poor people like to be poor and get hand-outs! It’s idiotic to think that people will all be pious and want to give their money away (whether it’s a little or alot)! Human nature people!

    Come elections for congress, and since I’m not in the Top 2% of earners, I will vote this congress out! It’s that simple!

    Is it right? YES! Because, this government is for the people by the people. Majority rules. Get over it!

  57. The American says:

    …And over in crazytown on the right we have xenophobic, threatening comments which would get flagged by DHS if they were on a different message board. When you’re done looking up xenophobic google irony.

  58. besty says:

    Who is to blame , all of them plain and simple. You can sit on here and blame away but it does not change one thing. Neither was giving or taking. They themselves put mn where it is today. So you can spend your weekend complaining all you want but it’s so simple to see each one had a part in this and each one failed. No question about that. I just became unemployed at midnight nope don’t get unemployment due to being self employed, but I got up this morning said your both to blame and know that until they can compromise nothing well change. I lucky to have planned ahead and now I move forward. Uncertain sure aren’t we all. Have a good holiday people. Stress non and enjoy life, for we can’t change things untill they ALL decide to come together like the great mn should.

    1. besty says:

      one last thing, this debt was here long before these new people in office where here. It’s going to take lots of fixing so I to have heavy blameon them.

  59. Lyn says:

    If any state representative takes one cent from this fiasco they will be paid back when it comes time to vote for them next election.
    Both parties should have had the budget completed in the designated time frame.
    Minnesota, it is time to petition to kick out these single minded, idiotic individuals. Remember representatives, we voted you in and we can take that vote back at any time. Stop acting like morons and get this budget completed with compromising.
    An angry constituent.

  60. Debby says:

    It is the fault of ALL OF THE POLITICIANS!!! Now gets those butts in gear and DO SOMETHING!! I hope we can vote everyone out next term. Too bad we cannot fire every last one of them!!!
    I am so sick and tired of EVERY politician in this country. When did We, the People stop being a concern for all of them??

    1. jordanj says:

      I agree Debby. Most politicians feel they are entitled and evidently they are, look what Weiner took when he left. That’s why Oberstar cried when he wasn’t re-elected after having that cash cow for soooooo many years. And look at Rangel, he fought so hard to keep it. When everyone talks about entitlements, they should start with politicians.

  61. Republicans says:

    hate boyscouts. See the other article.

  62. Dayton is a BULLY... says:

    Dayton is a BULLY…and an idiot.😦
    He’s WAAAAAAAY too worried about keeping the freeloaders, illegal etc. happy/in love with him (HIS VOTING POOL!!) than doing what’s right for MN.
    THEN, lets tax those that provide opportunities/jobs etc. for others so more companies leave MN.
    Thank you Republican leaders for sticking to your guns and not letting him bully you.🙂
    We’re already drowning in debt, as a state, and those of us that are LEGAL hardworking Minnesotans are already being taxed to death!!😦

    1. SandyP. says:

      AGREED AGREED AGREED!
      I couldn’t have said it better myself.
      Dayton IS a clueless idiot, spending entirely too much time, trying to look like he’s an average Joe, instead of a rich trust fund baby…emphasis on BABY!
      Why would he not want photos ID’s???? So the illegal in front of me can vote THREE times for him😦

  63. Randal says:

    Governor Dayton stated in the Star Tribune the July 4th holiday “reminds us that there are still causes and principles worth struggling for” and worth “suffering personal hardship to achieve.” Governor Dayton needs a history lesson as he seems to forget that tyranny and TAXATION were the reasons our forefathers created the Declaration of Independance and began fighting the British monarchy.

  64. Dogbert says:

    Back pay? How uninformed are you Mark, you are a waste.

    1. Mark from Minnesota Tax Waste says:

      Ping Back

  65. Another common man says:

    I love it how everyone that posts an obsenity can’t come up with a logical argument one way or another.

    If they are making (net which means income-expenses =or> $250k) over $250k then yes they should pay.

    Did someone say there weren’t rich farmers or small business owners? Why should it matter whether they’re farmers or small business owners?

  66. Jerry says:

    As a middle income tax payer I have way more dependents than I can support, illegal aliens, unemployed, state workers (yes I pay for you because you neither create anything nor sell any product that produces revenue). I have no problem in helping someone out who is TEMPORARILY down and out but the lifestyle of support drives me nuts and I can’t even claim these dependents on my tax return.

    1. L. A. B. says:

      Amen Brother!!!!!
      Perfectly stated.

  67. Sarah says:

    I can’t believe how much this is ripping us apart as a state. Look at what everyone is writing to one another! Insults and belittling others. People have and always will have very different views, but we need to find middle ground. Nobody is going to get what they want from this. NOBODY. Some of us are going to have to pay higher taxes. Some of us will loose benefits. Costs are always going to go up. How can you not expect state expenses to be higher as well? Nothing is ever even and fair. Its time to shut up and do both. Compromise. Real compromise.

  68. The Dude says:

    Tax dollars should only be used for the safety and wellbeing of the taxpayers. Vulnerable/sick/disabled/unemployed–yes. Fire/water/police/courts-yes. Roads/schools/service buildings-yes. Raising corn-no. Vikings stadium (I’m a huge Vikings fan)-no. Just to name a few. Flat tax-yes. Welfare to work-yes. We can’t destroy everything from the past in a day but we can work to improve on what we currently hold as our system. By shutting down this system–maybe we will see what is actually required. Doubt it.

  69. JOHN says:

    Is raising taxes year after year a solution? or could the solution be responsible government fiscally in its spending? is year after year a open ended referndum of rasing taxes percentage of for schools? one could go on and on and are taxes on the top 2%

  70. billyg says:

    Projected revenue for 2 years 34 billion budget Dayton vetoed 34 billion guess what happens if the 34 is not reached Dayton will have to make cuts

  71. seeryously says:

    Shame on you, Dayton, and all you Democrats….

    Note to Dayton: Please on behalf of the entire state of MN and all citizens, call a special session and FIGURE IT OUT TODAY!!!

  72. Rick says:

    Has anyone looked at how Sweden and Norway runs their govenment?
    Maybe we should take a good look at that at a national level and consider
    running it the way they do. We all would have something nice to talk about.
    They don’t close up their govenment and everyone has a nice job and a place to
    live and money to live on. Think about it you b bunch of DOKY’s in Governement.

  73. Pam says:

    Yes Republicans do suffer! Sen Dave Senjem’s aid is laid off as of today. And we have a special needs son that is being effected, so stop with those remarks.

  74. P. Olson says:

    Enough of the blame game. These people were elected by us and are acting like children. Personally they need a time out, with out pay. Let us not forget that Dayton inherited this problem from Pawlenty. No matter who is to blame a comromise needs to be reached. I am tired of paying for all the programs in this country that every one takes advantage of then complains about. Grow up Minnesota! Get off your high horse and see that everyone has to give in some where at some time.

  75. John T says:

    Greeeedy Republicans! How many BMW’s do they need anyways?

    We should try the “Trickle Up” form of economic recovry. The “trickle down” is not working.

  76. Captain Scotty says:

    Down with the ship!

  77. A Common Man says:

    This is just awesome!!! Am I right? (sarcasm!) Raise your hand if you saw this coming! I wasn’t overjoyed with the results of last year’s “historic election”. I knew that there would be no compromise on the state budget (the Feds w/ the debt ceiling are next!). Party lines are being drawn so firmly that no one will meet halfway and it’s like a political death sentence if someone tries to meet halfway. Dayton says it’s the GOP’s fault…the GOP say it’s Dayton’s fault…uh…somebody fill me in on how the blame game helps anything. I’m tired of hearing the press conference speeches blaming the other person. Both sides need to realize that the solution will require abandoning some of the principles they were elected to implement. Sorry Rs…you might have to approve a tax rate increase you said you wouldn’t support and too bad Dayton and the Ds, you might have to approve of spending cuts that you promised you’d never make. People’s livelihood and survival are at stake and shutdowns cost MORE than what is saved. Dayton and the Legislature need to figure this issue out NOW. You were elected to do a job.

    1. Citizen says:

      A large part of the problem of compromise on the GOP’s part is that the state GOP signed pledges to Tony Sutton not to raise taxes, and the national GOP signed pledges to Grover Norquist to not raise taxes and to starve the federal government. I really fail to see how these pledges can be at all legal because it puts Sutton and Norquist into the power positions, and they were not elected and are not accountable to the voters. But, in essence, they are calling the shots and holding the reins tight on the GOP. The GOP legislators dare not compromise or they will be denied funding for the next election cycle by Sutton. It will be interesting to see if there are any statesmen in the GOP willing to come forward to comproimise and put the welfare of the state before ideology and their next election.

      1. A Common Man says:

        Like I said…everyone is going to have to do something they don’t want to if this budget issue is to be resolved.

  78. Failure at it's finest says:

    Days like this almost make me embarrassed to be a Minnesotan. Whose fault is it? Both sides!
    “Talks fell apart well before the deadline”… I have a huge problem with that, as politicians supposedly doing what’s best for the state and the people they represent there is absolutely no reason to stop before the deadline. NONE

    I hate when people blame the Democrats or the Republicans, the truth is they’re both to blame, both are too stubborn to budge from their view and are unwilling to compromise.

    I think for years when this happens, all politicians should forfeit their salary for the year and it should be added to the budget for the state. Clearly they are not doing their job, so they shouldn’t be paid for it.

  79. Les Johnson says:

    Tony Sutton should get his butt kicked. What a horrible, horrible human being this man is. His lapdog Mike Brodkorb is right up there too. They even organized a demonstration and got a bunch of school kids to hold signs protesting health care initiatives and then took their pictures and said “look, even the kids are protesting this!” and in the background were several white men in their late 30s, 40s and 50s in business suits snapping pictures. Pathetic dirtballs…

  80. Taxpayer says:

    Dayton has all the money he needs. He would prefer to stay on top of the food chain. So, in his current state of power, he is initiating a sequence of events to destroy his nearest adversaries. Though, he doesn’t want to seem aloof to the general public, so he gives from his heart by selling paintings for discount prices and reporting a loss on his tax forms to cover the annual ‘charge’ he needs to pay for all of the interest he received from his investments which his family had brokered through the years.

    I’m sure he means well…

  81. The Dude says:

    Umpire, if your gonna try to hang with Citizen–you better take the time to look things up first. He doesn’t have the time of day to educate you on the fall of Rome and your correlations. But he’s right…..man, is he right!

  82. Judy says:

    I am wondering if fireworks will be cancelled – specifically the Red White and Boom fireworks that are put on by the parks department… Does anyone know?

  83. jac, new to politic says:

    Are their many of you making over 250K a year? I don’t think so, maybe you can help me understand why some of you support repubulicon party. If you make over 250k good for you, you should be supporting republicon. I would but i am not.

    1. jordanj says:

      There is so much more to Republicans than that. We cannot afford to help everyone, which is what Democrats want.

  84. brian from minneapolis says:

    I just want to say its both sides at fault not one i am a Democrat and i can admit that mark Dayton is far from the leader i wanted him to be

  85. Philly says:

    For 38 years with republicans as the minority we got budgets through, then once the democrats are the minority they through this hissy fit!

  86. Minnesota Disappointed says:

    They’re all acting as 2 year olds – did we really elect children to our house/senate? There is not 1 that is at fault – they ALL are. But more so – previous Gov who did absolutely nothing before leaving.

  87. gomekast says:

    What do we expect, when we elect out of touch millionaires.

  88. Just Cause says:

    @Citizen If the Chinese government nationalized all of the US owned facilities in China they’d get very little overall. Most companies outsource their production to Chinese owned companies and that’s why the Chinese are able to underwrite our debt.

    1. Citizen says:

      @Just Cause. I see your comment to me has been tossed into the middle of this discussion. I find the possibility of nationalization of U.S. production facilities in China to be a serious security issue. I also greatly dislike the fact that we rely on Asia for all our computer components. In the middle ages the lords of the castles starved when they were surrounded by hordes or peasants and barricaded in. Things were okay until the supply of arrows, boiling oil, and food ran out. So, it will be for any country that allows other countries to control the means of production. The more the U.S. produces and owns within its borders, the more secure the American people will be. Friends can quickly turn to enemies and enemies to friends. Before the Cold War, Russia was an ally in WWII. We fought Japan, and Japan threatened to “bury us” and now look at our relationship with that country.

  89. Jake says:

    Did the state really shutdown today? Funny, I hadn’t noticed.

  90. Jaquelyn Mack says:

    I think we should tax the upper crust and cust spending. I am tired of supporting young kids and able bodied adults because they skip birth control. Every day I walk to the bus after work and watch people dressed in designer clothes come out of the welfare office getting into their new Escalades.

    1. Jacquelyn Macks co-worker, Nate says:

      YOU GO GIRL!

  91. somebody says:

    I believe Pawlent ran the state broke. The republicans don’t want to pay their share of taxes nor do they want anyone else pay taxes either.

  92. Tea's 2 cents says:

    My GOP heart says:
    It’s NOT about taxing the top 2%…it’s about RAISING taxes!!!
    With an already HIGH tax rate (Yes….he have one of the HIGHEST tax rates in the US, and let’s NOT use the “Our Average tax rate is normal” because the upper to middle class pay the MOST while the lower 25% pay basically NOTHING…) we need to curb SPENDING! NOT ask for more money! I am NOT in the top 2% but you non-2%’s need to QUIT saying “raise the tax on the rich”, because they are a minority, it doesn’t mean they should be taxed higher! If it were “raise the tax on the people who post on WCCO’s web site” I PROMISE you, you would quit posting on this site…..We can cut the fat to get this spending issue in line…..You ALL know it
    So GOP….I support you in the tax issue…NO RAISE IN THE TAX RATE!
    Also…if I hear ONE MORE State employee CRY about “losing their job” I hope this shut down continues for MONTHS! Sorry people….a LOT of us have had to deal with unemployment in the past few years…You are NOT immune to it! SHUT UP and deal with it like the rest of us!
    My DFL heart says:
    And I am unsure this is true…it’s just what I heard, but is the GOP using things like abortion and ID at the poles against the DFL? I have heard the GOP says they would allow the budget to be passed if they added laws regarding these issues? If this is the case….this is terrible!!! This is NOT about ANYTHING other than budget! GOOD hard working people are out of jobs because you want ID’s at the pole?
    So GOP, QUIT using this shut down as a crutch to pass your right wing church driven laws! They can be dealt with later!
    We are losing money (100’s of Millions!) because of this issue, let alone family vacations we NEED to support this economy!
    OK…..my 2 cents…(OK…don’t even say it….”it’s not worth that much…)

  93. No Budget Required says:

    Got to love Pat Kessler. “There are no scheduled meetings” and “both sides say there are ready to get back to work if need be.” Are you kidding me Pat? Get back to work IF need be? IF? Guess MN doesn’t need a budget? You got to be impressed with our state leaders working hard for one week basically in hard negotiations. Great leadership by all!

  94. BS says:

    RECALL DAYTON!

  95. RK Richfield says:

    I have been Republican for 40 years, check out how Gov. Al Quie dealt with a financial crisis. I voted for him then and would do it again. I am not please with the republican plan to raise the amount of money I pay in taxes as a middle income Minnesotan. The last published republican plan I saw would cut my property tax rebates, thereby increasing my taxes. The current republican plan cuts education and aid to local government, every time they have done that I get a local property tax increase to make up the difference. Millionaires can afford to pay a little more taxes for a few years while we dig ourselves out of this economic crisis. The temporary tax increase coupled with cuts already hammered out would get the job done without attacking the most vulnerable in this state. Millionaires even with the proposed tax increase will not suffer. We middle income Minneostans will continue to suffer. Children, the disabled, and seniors. unable to care for themselves are not the people we should be cutting support for. Millionaires do not have to choose between food and health care, they just buy what health care they need. Many of us middle income people just have to deal with the pain because we can’t pay for the health care. A $500.00 medical bill on a $45,000. income is a big deal to me, A $500.00 medical bill to a Millionaire is more like an evening out to dinner with friends. Middle class America has taken pay cuts, increased taxes, ( remember the property tax increases), and are really unable to absorb any more burdens. There are nearly 200 departments, office ofXXXXXX, Board of etc in this state. Do we really need them all?? Corrections have exploded as a cost since the late 1990’s Inmate populations have doubled. Some states have had to release inmates early, use technology for home arrest etc, but they have cut their corrections costs. Parks or preschool?? . Lake Vermillion State park was just formed in 2010, pretty sure Gov. Pawlenty new there was a budget crisis then. I think we could have waited on our recreation expansion until the budget crisis was over. Maybe we need to divert all of those Lottery funds from the DNR until this Crisis is over?? Lots of places to cut back for a while without harming our vulnerable, but in the last 8 years we unalloted and kicked the can down the road. Both Democrats and Republicans are responsible.

  96. BS says:

    BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE. This does not exist anymore. Impeach them all.

  97. The Cat in the Hat says:

    Minnesota is already one of the highest taxed states in the nation yet we’re broke and there are idiots out there who tend to think that more taxing is the solution. How do you make sense out of that? I don’t know about you guys but when I’m broke, I have to cut down on spending, not demand more money from my employer. If x amount of dollars needs to last for x amount of time you need to make it work, you can’t just demand more dollars.

    So if Republicans think that penalizing the rich just for the simple fact that they’re rich isn’t the solution that must mean that they hate middle class people, really? The Republican legislature is trying to protect our assets by saving money. The governor is trying to get rich people to fund our excessive spending problem similar to a teenager with a drug addiction that keeps coming up with excuses to get money from his parents for his next fix.

    When I live check to check I sometimes have to resort to Raman noodles and 1-ply toilet paper but I never end up in debt… gee I wonder why?

  98. Dinah says:

    Closing the State Parks and totally blowing people’s vacations is just SELFISH and STUPID!! It just shows how well they care about us everyday people!! That is NOT Minnesota Nice, if it even still exists!

  99. Richard in Minneapolis says:

    This bulletin board is fun! I used to have to go to a zoo to watch a bunch of monkeys sit around and throw feces at each other. Now I can do it from the comfort of my living room.

    BTW, is everyone aware where the term ‘Cone of Silence’ originated, and what a ridiculous sight gag that was.

    1. cone of sound says:

      No…what it is? Does it have to do with feces?

  100. Michael says:

    Who says we will get back pay? NO ONE! Maybe you should get the facts and not make stupid conjectures. You try living without a pay check.

  101. Pat says:

    Koch Says: I think the governor’s insistence that we pass a full budget is not going to be of much comfort to Minnesotans who are going to see delays on the highways because construction projects stop,” said Senate Majority Leader Amy Koch, R-Buffalo. “It’s not going to comfort people who can’t use our state parks, or who can’t get a driver’s license”

    And I think that Ms. Koch ought to be ashamed of herself for forcing the governor to end negotiations by insisting on non-budget issues being placed on the table. The Republican legislators have decided that a scorched earth is better allowing compromise. I think that the folks who voted these clown in to the legislature should get busy and straighten them out. Minnesota is a state that respects all people, at all levels of income. We have always supported both the rich and the poor. It is not just up to the poor and middle class to carry the weight of state business. Dayton is right on this issue, and we ought to follow his lead.

  102. d kauls says:

    Oppressive heat, roads buckling, government shut down, Michele Bachmann announcing she’s running for president. How much more can we endure?

  103. Alfred says:

    Remember, Mark Dayton wants to give hundreds of millions of dollars to Zygi Wilf.

    You can tell Mark Dayton how you feel about his shutting down the government so he has money to give to a billionaire here:

    http://mn.gov/governor/contact-us/form/index.jsp.

  104. Just Cause says:

    Get involved, move the power of speech back to the individual

    http://movetoamend.org

  105. Citizen says:

    @Umpire. Not a problem with the two-party system; Populists vote for Democrats by default.

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