Deadly Force Bill Now On Fast Track To Gov. Dayton

ST. PAUL, Minn. (WCCO) — The Minnesota Senate passed a bill Thursday giving Minnesotans more freedom to shoot with deadly force when threatened.

It abolishes a law requiring Minnesotans to retreat when threatened instead of fighting back — with deadly force, if necessary.

“If I am out on the street, and I am doing what I can legally do and someone comes at me and I feel imminent danger of physical harm, I should be able to react with equal or greater force,” said Sen. Gretchen Hoffman, (R-Vergas), the author of the bill.

The measure goes much further than current law, which requires that citizens in danger have a “duty to retreat” to minimize violence.

The bill also creates a universal gun permit recognized across state lines and prevents the government from confiscating guns during disasters and emergencies.

Minnesota police officers strongly oppose the measure.

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“What we are ultimately talking about is killing people,” said Sen. John Harrington (DFL-St. Paul).

Harrington, the former St. Paul Police Chief, predicts homeowners might accidentally shoot police on their property, parents might shoot teenagers coming home late and drivers in a broken-down cars might shoot Good Samaritans.

The new gun law goes beyond using deadly force at home, which is legal.

It extends that right to cars, boats, hotel rooms or garages, the latter of which one Senator said he and his wife encountered an intruder before.

“I instinctively took a defensive position,” said Sen. Sean Nienow, (R-Cambridge). “I looked the man in the eye and, I tell you, I remember the words today. I said, ‘I will kill you.'”

The bill passed the Senate on a bipartisan 40-23 vote.

Gov. Mark Dayton has not decided whether he will sign the bill over the objections of state law enforcement officials.

  • Krusty Pants

    I watched those hearings today. Some of those senators particularly one big fat woman at the end and one really old woman are definitely riding the short bus. If you want this bill passed, email and pester Gov. Dayton immediately.

    • T

      Don’t pester too much though, because after he signs the bill he can shoot.

      • Krusty Pants

        He can without it genius.

        • T

          Only if you’re about to commit a felony against the governor.

  • Andy

    Dayton don’t hinder our right to protect our families, and our homes. Sign the bill!

    • T

      don’t forget that it also creates jobs

      • Orrest


    • Len S

      I agree with you Andy. Dayton just sign and drive. We all have the right to protect our families and our property. Although I would rather not use deadly force but if I have to I will and would have the option. The only thing I would be worried about is being shot from a trigger happy police officer that responds to the call.

    • Jackie

      I agree. What is the matter with the ol police chief? He knows guns to kill , its a person decision to use it if have to. Enough killing of innocent people. We need to have the right to protect ourselves and not retreat.Who ever came up with that stupid retreat???????

    • no need for a deadly force bill.

      I disagree with Andy. This bill is not needed because we will end up killing innocent people. I agree with Law enforcement 100%that this is a stupid bill. why are these Republicans pushing bills like this when you know all it will do will create a bigger government to regulate the deadly force law.

      • Andy

        Alright no need, when someone broke into my house 2 and a half years ago, started coming upstairs was I not supposed to get my gun out to protect my family? Was I supposed to lay in bed, call the police, and hope they get there before he kills one of my children? What would you have done? If you wait for the police when someone breaks into your house to do your family harm you”ll end up severely hurt, or killed before they get there. I’m glad you are not my father, or mother.

        • Orrest

          @ Andy
          There is a law that says you can defend in your home. If you cannot read the provisions of the current law any better than that I would hope you don’t have a gun permit.

      • politiciansSUX

        Andy, I am not a republican and we do need this bill. No innocent people will die becasue of this bill. This bill is meant to protect the home owner. No one will buy a gun because of this law and innocent people will not start to break into houses beause of this law. Police will not stop announcing themselves because of this law, and an idiot with a gun that does not have a clue will still shoot no matter if they know what they are shooting at or not. The only thing this law does is removes the mandate to abandon your house if a criminal breaks in. If you consider a criminal and “innocent people”, well then you obviously have issues well beyond understanding right and wrong. One last example, because I see this coming already; the idiot that would shoot his own kid or spouse, because they are not sure what they are shooting at, will still shoot them with or without this law.

        • Andy

          I agree with you, I’m glad that the abandon rule is going away. You come into my house to do harm to my family and me you are going to get shot. I have only been broken into once and scaring the hell out of the idiot was enough, 10 years since.

  • b

    if someone is trying to get in your house or your garage attached or unattched garage you should be able t shoot if someone is trying to get in your stuff they should get shot at just because you have the right to shoot at someone does not mean you have to shoot at them if you have common sense you will give a warning shot but this does not matter for city people guys down there dont have guns because there not real guys there chicks

    • Krusty Pants

      Give a warning shot LOL!!! you are a bright one aren’t you?. Hit an old lady baking a pie a half mile away and have fun in St Cloud pen for 20 or more….

    • Matt

      There’s a punctuation called a “period,” It looks like this: .
      Also, it has a cousin named “comma.” It lloks like this: ,
      They are your friends!

  • Jack Amundsen

    I don’t think the police administration should be so concerned about the average person shooting at them. That administration knows that the people who will shoot are the gang-bangers, those that don’t care if a law is passed or not.

  • MKIA

    What is the name of this bill?

    • Jeff

      CASTLE DOCTRINE, it’s a British law.

  • MKIA

    Besides Deadly Force Bill

  • Urge The Governor

    You can’t even spell…go bang your mother hillbilly.

    • Bill

      Thanks for your intelligent comment!! What do you have a 3rd grade education?

  • MrB

    Sign it, sign it!

  • No Guns, No Problem

    Get rid of the guns, don’t sign it.

    • Urge The Governor

      Good idea!!! Hitler and Stalin would be proud of you.

    • jeff

      Lets get rid of you and we wont sign your card. Don’t like this new law, than move.

    • Bill

      While we are at it, lets get rid of the 1st amendment, then you will not be able to speak your opinion!!

      • just a peasant

        nd the rabbit with one foot, itn’t so lucky now… he. donkey are great tasting as are lamb. WOO, THE WEATHER IS HOT AND DIRTY such that as a TURTLE FART?????????

  • Money

    An armed society is a polite society

  • Jeff

    It’s these so-called police that 93% of American don’t trust. They are fast to shoot us, including children. It’s because of these self centered, uneducated cops that I no longer have a brother or sister in-law. Add to that, now my 2 nephews and niece no longer have a father or mother. All they concern about is that this stops them from stealing from us and taking advantage of us people. WE THE PEOPLE have a right to bear arms and defend ourselves. You idiots out there that are against this bill, what are you so worried about or better yet, what are you hiding. I don’t need some cop to say I can or cannot defend myself or my belongings. God Bless this senate, at least they care enough about the residents of Mn.

    • Tom

      better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6

      • jeff

        Yep, not fun to carry your brother.

    • skee

      Sure…It’s all the cops fault. They just walked up to your brother and started blazing away did they? Care to revise your BS story and tell all the nice folks what your brother was up to?

      • jeff

        Get an education and read the papers. To answer your sick question, he was lying in bed and minding his own business, such as you should do. I hope this happens to you and your family and I will be quick to throw out a judgement about you. You are a sick person. Now go take your meds and pass out…..PLEASE don’t wake up. Amen. Skee, what kind of lame name is that and why don’t you leave a helping comment on this page, you anti-gun pig.

      • jeff

        And yes, your day will come. Shouldn’t you be working or something anyways, ah… collect welfare and food stamps, you are a menace to society.

  • No Guns, No Problem

    Always reinventing the wheel, how did I ever get to be this old and not need a handgun?

    • Crazy Joe

      Your day will come.

    • tom

      There not reinventing the wheel, just perfecting it.
      Guns have been around since the 9th century and everyone
      In this country owes their freedom to gun whether you like
      It or not

      Its kind of funny how they can interview only 1or 2
      Police chiefs and than assume that all cops are against
      this bill, THEY ARE NOT!!!!

    • politiciansSUX

      I could not agree with you more, Once we take all the guns away from honest law abiding citizens, since they will be the only ones to turn in their guns, then only the government and the criminas will have guns. take them all away, and then we can join Hitler, Stahlin and the rest of the countries that took away guns to protect their citizens.

    • The above from a 70 year old wuss who has never done a thing for his fellow man

      You did so by sitting on your thumbs, leading your pitiful little excuse for a life. Some of us are leaders, and go out, and make a difference. Now, you go back to your lonely little cracker-jack box sized stink-hole and bury your head in the sand again, while the rest of us try and make a difference around this cesspool of a welfare state…

  • Doug

    I might also add that protection of our fourth amendment right is also listed in this bill. What happened in New Orleans during hurricane Katrina by the police was a criminal act against the people of the United States. Please sign this Governor Dayton
    Emergency Powers Reform:
    This legislation would prohibit any government agency from confiscating or regulating the lawful possession, carrying, transfer, transportation and defensive use of firearms or ammunition during a state of emergency, such as occurred in the wake of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, Louisiana.

    • bravo

      t.y. Doug for bringing up what the police did down in N.O…..dis-armed the legal gun owners ,leaving them unprotected,then some actually were in on the looting…


    Cops better look out !!! Don’t knock on the wrong door!!! Cry babies.

  • Dave

    “Prevents the government from confiscating guns during disasters and emergencies.” Enough said. What do you think was the first thing I did after the tornado ripped through my neighborhood in N. Mpls. besides gas up the chain saw? Slept with my Mossberg 500 and open carried my 9mm for a week while the power was out.

  • just sayin

    “What we are ultimately talking about is killing people,” said Sen. John Harrington (DFL-St. Paul).

    Harrington, the former St. Paul Police Chief, predicts homeowners might accidentally shoot police on their property, parents might shoot teenagers coming home late and drivers in a broken-down cars might shoot Good Samaritans.

    Are you figgin kidding me? How dense is this guy?? oh wait, dfl… that explains it.

  • angus

    The legislature again springs into action acting for the NRA but still ignoring issues such as jobs, education, health, and help for the down and out.

    However, social engineering is still strong in their attempts to dictate their right wing agenda on the state,.

    • Dave

      I think this bill should be bipartisan. I’m a lib. and support it fully. If this bill doesn’t pass I potentially will be a criminal due to the fact that the gov. will never be able to begin to inventory my arsenal in the event of a disaster or emergency. I would also be more motivated to acquire unregistered firearms from the multitude of homies in my neighborhood who already pack illegally. This bill does nothing but protect citizens who wish to abide by the law. However, if the gov. tries to intervene and dictate my personal safety and security measures I will resist by acquiring illegal firearms, and I’m sure there are many more who would as well, not including criminals who wouldn’t care one way or another.

    • Sharon Peters


      This a different issue, please take your meds now.

      • Orrest

        A little immature with the name calling. Is a conservative someone with no manners?

      • just a peasant

        Hey………..I really like your dead eye, what happened. I bet a TURTLE got ya.

  • politiciansSUX

    Average Police response time is 15 minutes, average 357 response time is 1500 feet a second. Which one will get there first? Plain and simple, this will change nothing for the vast mojority of people in Minnesota. If you are an idiot, own a gun, and someone enters your house, you most likely will shoot them whether they are screaming “POLICE” or not. On the other hand, if you are not armed, you will shoot no one. And finally, if you are reasonable and someone enters your house, if they are screaming “POLICE” you will not shoot, if they are not screaming “POLICE” and you are armed, chances are, you will thin the gene pool a little. This law changes nothing except it removes the requirement forcing law abiding citizens to retreat and run away from criminals.

  • Bob

    You are hearing from the same people who said permit to carry would cause people shooting people in the streets, didn’t happen. The passage of this bill will cause no problems if you aren’t a criminal, PASS THE BILL Governor Dayton.

  • BJ

    Whoa! “Minnesota police officers strongly oppose the measure.” <– NOT TRUE! The MPPOA opposes the bill. The MPPOA somehow has been seen to represent all of police officers in MN. This couldn't be farther from the truth. The MPPOA is a lobbying group that represents MN cops' interests, such as this one. But, NOT all cops oppose this. In fact, as a cop, I agree with the bill and so do most cops I know.

  • Ed

    The same arguments were used when the right to carry was passed, the police said it would be like the Old West, there would be shootouts on Main Street? This never occured? The Saint Police took 27 min. to come to a 911 when a burglar was running out of the back door of my house after stealing $6000 of my possesions. That is not very comforting , it seems a person is on their own if somebody breaks into their house! The police are too busy, maybe eating donuts and drinking coffee.

  • Rich Field

    I love how CCO calls it the “Deadly Force Bill” to attract headlines.

    It is the castle bill or HB 1467

    And all you lib anti NRA people please read the bill befor you make anymore stupid comments.

  • Sharon Peters

    I have a carry permit and I am sure glad I do. I have had to fend off a rapist once and a carjacker and I never leave home without my Beretta 9mm


    Hey no guns no problem, do you remember a guy named Adolf Hitler.When he had all the guns think back to the problems that happened. And as far as Harrington is concerned is he the only on smart enough to know when a person should defend themselves.

  • Christine

    Cool bill! Plus it extends to boats and CARS! Yes!! So if you are the next jackwagon that cuts me off in traffic (naturallly I will take that as a threat to my safety) I am gonna open fire!! This is really SWEET!! Thanks, GOP!!!!

    • Debbie

      Yeah thanks! Now I can blow away the carjacker that tries to kill me and my kids.

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