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ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — After seeing their bill vetoed last year, Republicans in the Minnesota House were poised Tuesday night to pass a voter ID constitutional amendment that would do an end-run around Democratic Gov. Mark Dayton and go straight to voters.

Lead House sponsor Rep. Mary Kiffmeyer, R-Big Lake, also authored a photo ID bill last year that passed in the GOP-controlled Legislature but was vetoed by Dayton.

“Every single vote in that ballot box deserves to be counted accurately and honestly,” Kiffmeyer said during floor debate. “The same level of integrity should be there (when it comes to) who gets the ballot.”

Kiffmeyer, a former Minnesota secretary of state, has said that she’s supported the photo ID idea since working as an election judge in the 1990s. She said it is a “common sense” measure that will increase voter confidence in the voting system and, therefore, increase voter turnout.

The amendment, if passed by a simple majority in both houses, will circumvent Dayton and let voters decide this November whether a photo ID will be required at the voting booth.

Rep. Steve Simon, DFL-St. Louis Park, said he was concerned about the growing frequency of constitutional amendments that aim to achieve policy goals.

“We’re seeing a sad absence of self-discipline, and self-restraint,” Simon said. Later he added: “You’re going over the heads of the governor, of future legislators and even of the citizens.”

Rep. Ryan Winkler, DFL-Golden Valley, proposed amending Kiffmeyer’s bill with provisions for jobs, paying back schools and property tax relief — issues that he said should be prioritized over the photo ID issue. He told House Speaker Kurt Zellers these were issues “you have ignored tonight and have been ignoring all session long.”

A group of House Democrats held a news conference before Tuesday’s floor debate to criticize Republicans for focusing on what they called divisive issues related to jobs and the economy.

Lengthy hearings on the photo ID amendment have been marked by chanting protesters carrying signs and lines of witnesses from such organizations as AARP, the American Civil Liberties Union of Minnesota and the League of Women Voters.

Many witnesses argued that a photo ID requirement would disenfranchise those with limited access to the resources needed to get a photo ID, including minorities, students, the disabled and the elderly. These are groups that Democrats have said traditionally vote for them.

Democrats also said Tuesday before debate that the amendment in its current form is vaguely worded. They predicted that if it were to pass, it would likely entangle the state in expensive and protracted lawsuits.

The amendment’s lead Senate sponsor, Sen. Scott Newman, R-Hutchinson, has said the measure is intentionally spare so that future legislatures can control how the requirement will work.

Earlier this month, Democratic Secretary of State Mark Ritchie and Dayton advocated an electronic poll book database containing driver’s license photos and information that could be used as an alternative to the photo ID requirement. Ritchie said the idea would be more cost-effective and friendlier to voters who don’t currently hold a photo ID.

Zellers shut down an amendment Tuesday to include electronic poll book language in Kiffmeyer’s bill.

Ritchie said Tuesday in a statement that he was disappointed by the rush to pass the amendment because “we do not know the cost of creating the new provisional voting bureaucracy included in this bill, nor have we been told how many days election results will be delayed as a result.”

The Senate may vote on the companion bill this week.

(© Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)

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  • Balanced Beam

    A lot of hunters were disenfranchised when the state first required a hunting license. That is until they went and got one. Now there’s no problem.

  • larry

    what are you DEMS afraid of ? i know winning !

    • tan pup

      This law applies to republicans too. Dead or alive.

  • DJ

    If you have a valid drivers license then what is all the complaining about…if you can’t produce one then maybe you need work on getting one. I know that many senior citizen’s may not drive any longer but I’m sure they could get a picture id from the state. Here is another way to make revenue for the State without raising taxes!

    • Progressive Populist

      Wrong, DJ. The state of Minnesota MUST PAY for the needed picture ID for people to vote. The cost is estimated in the range of $20 to $30 million. Plus, it will be an ongoing cost because as these people move, they will need ID–and people move around much more these days than in the past. Also, just as a point of information, both Texas, Wisconsin, and South Carolina voter ID laws are in the process of being declared unconstitutional as violations of civil rights laws. This Minnesota law will cost the taxpayers plenty of money and make a lot of work for the lawyers with the DOJ court challenge and the lawsuits.

  • stung4ever

    If requiring photo ID potentially disenfranchises people from exercising their voting rights, does requiring photo ID to purchase a firearm potentially disenfranchise people from exercising their second amendment rights?

    • tan pup

      no they just go find them on Craigs List.

  • Mandy

    You need an ID to buy alcohol, to buy cigarettes, to prove who you are at the bank, to use a check(not that a lot of people use them anymore) To go to bars, to buy video games with an adult rating and so much more. You should need an ID to vote as well.

    • Betty

      Voting is a right Guarenteed by the US Constitution. Going to a bar, buying a video game etc are not. That is the difference.

  • cardplayer

    I take its a POKER game. Let us know who wins.

  • Russell

    Photo ID, Gay Marriage, = Job Creation!!!!! WOW

  • Michele

    Look, I don’t have a problem with photo id, but from what I’m understanding, the photo id has to have the CURRENT address. How many of you have your current address on your driver’s license? And the homeless, who really do pay sales tax here, often can’t supply a current address.

    • angry Minnesotan

      If you watched the debate, it does nto require a valid address, just proof that you are qho you say you are. In the case of no proof of address (college kids), then you gt to vote a provisional ballot which will be counted once they can validate where you live. odd, but it works. Personally I thin college kids should all have to vote where they live and if they cannot get home to vote, well then they vote absentee. Why do we want 200,000 non Minnesotan U of M, St. Thomas, Bethel, Mc Callister, and St, Mary Students picking our representatives for us?

      • Progressive Populist

        @angry. The details are vague in the bill–to be determined later, the GOP says. That is absolutely no way to pass a constitutional amendment, and it would probably make the amendment illegal, to boot.

  • Barb Altman Cline

    End registration at the polls!!!!! Everyone must be registered 3 months before they vote, which gives the State time to varify and send the a voter card. If the state can send us a card about our drivers license and car tabs, they can send out a card to vote with, after making sure we are entitled to vote.

  • Barb Altman Cline

    O ya, I am a lib and proud of it!!!!!!

  • A Voter

    All this time, and money wasted because the GOP are sore losers.
    They have yet to prove there has been any cheating.

    • Progressive Populist

      Yet another lame reply, sue. You need to quit posting because you know you have no valid counterargument.

  • vmkd2020

    The report on tonight’s news about this issue was very biased. At the end of the story, they reported that Wisconsin has been challenged about their law. They neglected to report that over half of all states require some sort of ID. It’s just common sense. People say they’ve never seen voter fraud. How would you know if there is fraud if you never verify identity? It’s like saying there’s no such thing as identity theft. Get real.

    • Barb Altman Cline

      Where is the fraud? Just because Republicians have lost 2 recounts does not mean therd is fraud. If we get voter ID who will you blame then?

      2 things you Republicians should lean, fill in the oval and only the oval, no drawing things on you ballot. Follow directions on the ballot and those given to you by the election judges, then you ballots would not be disqualified.

      • Patrick

        Someone I talked to who is in favor of ID (after I had posed the question of “where is the fraud” as well) basically said there is no real evidence of massive fraud, they just want ID to prevent it from getting out of control. What a shoddy reason. “It’s not a problem now, but we want to cut it off in case it ever becomes one.”

  • Betty

    The biggest case of voter fraud was perpetrated by the Indiana republican Sec of State. Please do not insinute any voter is a felon just because you don’t like their politics

  • Rubble

    There is no evidence of voter fraud in MN. There are 700,000 people that dont have id and how many dont have their current address on their id. I remember when i voted as a student at UMD but my ID said Hibbing. I produced my utility bill and I was able to vote that showed I lived in Duluth. This bill is to supress the voting public. The voter ID bill has been struck down in Texas and Wisconsin. I also believe with the gay marriage question and the RTW ammendment that none of these questions are going to pass. This question to be put on the ballot to bypass the legislature is a bunch a hooey. I think there should be a constitional ammendment to allow us fisherman to have more than six Walleye. I have not seen one jobs bill come out of this repub legislature session. Lets fix the roads and bridges in MN. We are going towards Missippippi and Alabama. We can do better Minnesota.

    • Progressive Populist

      Pretty lame reply, Sue. Guess you have no counterargument for “Rubble.”

    • wake up

      @Rubble….VERY TRUE!!! It’s just like last year. They are more concerned about stupid stuff rather than getting the budget dealt with. Now they are worrying more about non issues like the going no where Viking stadium which yes, will bring TEMPORARY construction jobs and think about how many minimum wage jobs it will bring in with the stores and stuff around the stadium. Here’s one…..the Republicans want to give out tax breaks to companies??? How about this….you hire 1 person at 15.00 hr. We will give you a tax break equal to this persons state income tax taken from his check. The higher the wage paid, the higher tax break you get. This job MUST stay for at least 5 years.

  • KJ

    With no evidence of voter fraud here in MN why are they wasting our time and money debating this issue. This is a non issue. When people don’t have jobs, homes, food, pensions, health care, etc. they are going to sit at the capital and debate a non issue instead. WHO ARE THE REAL FRAUDS HERE!!!!!!!!!!

  • vmkd2020

    Well, considering that no one ever checks IDs here, how exactly would you get the “evidence” that you are talking about? There is plenty of evidence of voter fraud nationally – just because no one has bothered to check in MN does not mean it doesn’t exist here. The REAL issue is why anyone would object to people simply proving WHO they are before they cast a vote. That’s basic, KJ. If you don’t have a license, there are plenty of other free ways to get that ID.

  • same ‘ole

    Voting fraud has traditionally been the domain of the Democrats. As the Dem. heads of the political machines used to say: “Vote and vote often.” It was voting fraud in key wards of Chicago that got JFK elected. The old man (who made his fortune in the opium trade) called his mob connections. The fuss over a common sense measure to prevent fraud on the part of the Dems. is just proof that it is still their domain.

    • Little Tin God

      And you have facts to back up your claims? Facts that you can reference with links?

      • Little Tin God

        Make that facts that don’t come from a right wing blogger or radio talk show hosts, but legitimate facts. But then I suspect that facts from right wing bloggers and radio talk show hosts are facts enough for the likes of you.

      • same ‘ole

        The facts I presented are so well know to the educated that I did not feel it necessary to provide the ignorant with “links.” I find it interesting that you immediately resort to personal insult when someone disagrees with you. Sorry if the truth burst your bubble. If you have the ability to conduct objective historical inquiry by all means do so. Then refute my assertions with facts rather than petty insults.

  • wake up

    I think they should have picture ID to get welfare. This will make sure that they are citizens of Minnesota and not Chicago.

  • Little Tin God

    I’ve been voting for 45 years and not once have I ever had to produce identification to vote. Why should I have to start now just because the Minnesota GOP lost a couple of close elections?

    Do people honestly believe that there was that much “voter fraud” to get Franken and Dayton elected by the narrowest of margins? Don’t you think that if there were actual “voter fraud” that their respective victories wouldn’t have been much more decisive and not entailed the recounts and court battles, both of which could have gone to the GOP?

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