GRAND RAPIDS, Minn. (AP)— It was an improbable outcome for a deer hunter in northeastern Minnesota who fired one gunshot. He bagged two deer.

Bob Schuder, of Deer River, was hunting near Grand Rapids Sunday and took a shot at a doe that had wandered into a clearing with two fawns.

Schuder climbed down from his tree stand and found a dead fawn. Schuder then saw a white spot in the woods and checked it out. He found his bullet initially struck the doe, passed through its body and hit the fawn. Schuder had killed both deer with a single shot.

The Duluth News Tribune says Schuder’s nephew was party hunting with him, so they had tags for both deer.

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Comments (49)
  1. Doeraymee says:

    Sorry kids, your mom is dead. Is this ethical? Hunters please enlighten me.

    1. Stop Whining says:

      Spare me the ethics talk. Most people eat meat. Some buy it from the grocery store, some get it from hunting … the same way everyone since the beginning of time did before grocery stores 100 years ago before all you tree hugging pansies existed.

    2. Glitterlogic says:

      If you voted for gay marriage this wouldn’t have happened. We just have sex for fun and disease, no offspring! No offspring, mo need to get out of the house and hunt deer!!! Vote YES for Gay Marriage!!!

    3. jackactionhero says:

      Your mom? Whose mom is dead? I think you’re commenting on the wrong article.

    4. Vinny Hunter says:

      First of all Ms. Einstein, they’re not human and don’t have “kids”. Secondly, ever have a hamburger or steak….maybe even veal???

  2. DEAN says:

    Don’t take the shot if you’re not 1000% sure what’s in the area! Poor hunting etiquette, and a bad example for his nephew.

    1. Mark Too says:

      I’ve been hunting deer for over 35 years now. But I still remember what my hunter safety instructor told me when I was 12 years old. If you don’t know what’s on the other side of what you are shooting at . . . DO NOT PULL THE TRIGGER. This story is a perfect example of what should NOT be done while hunting.

      1. Jake says:

        WHAT are you TALKING ABOUT?? A fawn is still a DEER. NOTHING illegal was done. Yes, fawns do get shot. It’s unfortunate, but not illegal.

        1. Breeezers says:

          Nothing illegal, yes, but the point is he had no idea what was behind it. That’s how tragic accidents happen. NEVER SHOOT IF YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT’S ON THE OTHER SIDE!!! Hunting 101!

          1. Jake says:

            Actually, he DID KNOW what was behind the doe….dirt, trees, and maybe, a fawn, none of which was illegal to shoot at, so, he should TAKE THE SHOT.
            If YOU don’t WANT TO, FINE, but I would have in a heartbeat. If you can’t deal with that situation, then STAY HOME, and let the rest of us SHOOTERS shoot.

        2. Mark Too says:

          Jake, you are correct, it is not illegal to shoot fawns. I never intended to say so. What I was attempting to say . . . One of the first things any hunter should ever be taught, “Never shoot at anything unless you know what’s behind it.”
          Breeezers is right on point, tragic accidents happen when hunters fail to follow this basic rule of not shooting when they don’t know what’s behind what they are shooting at.
          If you can take two deer legally, great. Take two well aimed, safe shots.

          1. Jake says:

            Mark Too, NOTHING in this article suggests that the shooter didn’t know that the fawn was behind the doe. The hunter probably didn’t think that the bullet would pass through the doe and take out the fawn as well. I would have taken the shot in a heartbeat. If you can’t handle that attitude, STAY HOME during deer season. When you are in the woods, it is IMPOSSIBLE to know what could ultimately be standing in the line of fire beyond what you can see. Am I not supposed to fire because another hunter could be down range 400 yards beyond my target?

            1. Mark Too says:

              Seriously . . . You sir are what give hunter’s a bad name. If I have to explain what your hunter safety instructor should have taught you about what is a safe shot vs. a poor shot, then you have no business being in the woods.
              Second, there is nothing wrong with taking multiple deer. However, lining up two deer with one shot is just plain wrong. You aim for the spot you want the bullet (or arrow, or bolt) to hit the deer. If you cannot see exactly where the projectile will hit the deer, DO NOT take the shot. Once again, Hunting 101. If a second deer is behind the fist deer, you have no way of knowing for sure were the projectile will hit the second deer. (It could pass through the first cleanly. It could just as well deflect off of a bone and change course. Causing the bullet to hit the deer in a non vital spot. NEVER take a shoot if you cannot know for sure the bullet will strike the deer in its vitals.) Therefore you are obligated to not take the shot.
              If this is something you don’t agree with, PLEASE stay out of the woods, you are doing nothing but giving hunters a bad name.

              1. Jake says:

                @sam and mark — Just a note to share with the general public. Deer don’t just walk up to you and pose so you can make a good clean shot and drop them in their tracks that often, especially after the shooting starts. When I shoot, I know what I am shooting at. I would imagine that it is a very rare occurence for a single shot to hit more than one deer. I try to drop them in their tracks. That isn’t always possible when a deer is moving or at a long distance, especially in the woods. Are you saying that a hunter shouldn’t shoot at a walking or running deer? REALLY?
                I would have let a lot of big deer go then, including a couple of 8 point bucks.

                I’ve never heard the NONSENSE that if you can’t see exactly where the bullet will hit the deer, you shouldn’t take the shot. Hunting 101 my arse. I have never heard that rubbish that if your target is next to another deer, that you shouldn’t take the shot. You posers and trophy hunters really need to take that big chip off of your shoulders.

                1. jackactionhero says:

                  Watch a hunting show, Jake. I can only assume you never have, since they encounter this situation constantly.

                  You know what they do when an animal they want to take is standing in front of an animal they DON’T intend to take? They DO NOT TAKE THE SHOT.

                  2nd rule of Hunter Safety:
                  Always be aware of your target and what’s beyond.

                2. Breeezers says:


                  I suggest you read page 15, 22 & 23… there you’ll learn about gun safety (not shooting when you don’t know what’s behind your target) as well as ethics (going for a clean kill… )

              2. Jake says:

                Go pound sand. You probably ‘hunt’ at a GAME FARM.

                1. jackactionhero says:

                  I don’t think it’s any big tragedy that he took two deer with one shot. I just find it distasteful that he didn’t even know it was there when he pulled the trigger.

                  Your attitude and insults aren’t really warranted here, Jake. If you disagree, fine, but why the rude comments?

    2. Vinny Hunter says:

      I bet he didn’t see the bunny behind the fawn either. Really people???

      1. Jake says:

        When you are aiming thru a scope, your vision is understandably narrowed. Even with open sights, you aren’t focused on what’s to the left or right very much. Which makes me believe that most of the flamers here don’t have a FRIGGIN CLUE about deer hunting, even if they say they do.. GO AHEAD and state all of the “101′ regulations and rules that I should follow to satisfy your ‘ethical requirements’. LOL.

        1. Mark Too says:

          You have an excuse for everything. But what you don’t have is common sense. Anybody that’s ever take an hunter safety class AND/OR has hunted the right way for any length of time will tell you . . . You know what’s arround you AND behind your target BEFORE you put the gun to your shoulder and look through the scope. This excuse of “narrowed vission” is lame at best, and your post are doing nothing but giving hunters a bad name.

          PLEASE stay out of the woods so that those of us you hunt the right way don’t have to worry about idiots like you!!

  3. John W. Noraas says:

    Yep it is ethical seeing as how fawns are pushed away from the does to begin a new breeding cycle.

    Furthermore without controlling the number of does we would quickly have an overpopulation of deer resulting in massive die offs. Does also are better tasting then bucks due to the tenderness of the meat.

  4. Bambi says:

    kind of a sickening story. Who would shoot the mother when the babies are right there? Doesn’t say much for his character.

    1. jackactionhero says:

      The babies? LOL

      How dramatic. I think they’re deer.

  5. Hunter up North says:

    Have you ever heard a fawn call a doe, “Mom”? Deer Whisperer?
    Fawns right now don’t have spots, they are legal, you identify them on a registration.
    Most of the people complaining are the ones that buy everything in a store and would be disgusted if they knew where eggs come from.
    I rather eat the cholesterol free, chemical free deer.
    If we don’t thin the deer out then we will have disease problems.
    “Thank a Hunter”

    1. Bambi says:

      My other half goes hunting every year and I do not eat the meat. As I tell him, I would never put anything that smells like that in my mouth. In fact he’s not even allowed to cook it in the house because of the smell!. To each his own, I’m allowed to have an opinion just as much as you are and if you don’t like it that’s your problem!

    2. Deep Thinker says:

      I thought eggs come from chickens, am I wrong?

  6. To bad he didn't get 3 says:

    Bunch of nut posters today.

    1. sam says:

      Like you, sir.

      Love hunters. Love the taste of venison. Love having meat that had a life before ending up on my table (rather than being locked away in a tiny box) But I’m seeing a ton of articles this year which show that there is a huge lack of understanding of how to ethically hunt. I’m not talking about killing a doe when her fawns are around. Such is how life and death occurs.
      I’m talking about people who are shooting without knowing what they’re shooting at. @ Jake, do you take a random shot at a deer, or do you try specifically to hit vital organs? A good hunter makes a specific shot. Shooting in such a way that could easily pass through one deer into another means that you could very easily injure without killing. This is a disgraceful hunting practice.

  7. Melissa says:

    Wait, so this guy knew that it was a doe with her two babies and he still wanted to shoot and kill her?? Are you serious, Mr. Deer Hunter Dude??

    1. jackactionhero says:

      Spare us the emotion. It’s a deer. The babies weren’t in car seats holding bottles.

      1. Melissa says:

        Never said anything about babies in car seats holding bottles. Those are the types of answers given by ignorant people who don’t have a good come back and try to be funny at the same time (both of which you failed at miserably)!

        1. jackactionhero says:

          Well if YOU were trying to be funny in your initial comment about “two babies” then you were. I seriously laughed out loud at work that you called them babies. You should take your act on the road.

          I am not an ignorant person; nor can you demonstrate that I am. Right? Right.

          1. Deep Thinker says:

            Wow, I wish I could surf the web during my work hours. You must have a really complicated job to have such spare time…

  8. Mike Jones says:

    From a comment i saw earlier today on this site
    BTW, I saw that story and appalled that WCCO journalism is so BAD.

    Jesse Pinkman

    I want to know why WCCO cant admit to a mistake? If you falsely report that a grocery store is selling dog meat, why not make amends? Is this the example you want to set? Is this what you would tell your kids?

  9. Sammi says:

    Sorry but I don’t see this as newsworthy… in the least.

  10. brittany says:

    get lost you TREE HUGGERS!!

  11. Thumper says:

    Nice shot! One less to jump out in front of my car!

    1. Jake says:

      I seriously doubt that most of the critics here truly are deer hunters. GREAT SHOT, DON, it’s a great story to share with your hunting buddies in the future.
      So much ignorance from so many people on this story, it’s hard to know where to begin. If you don’t hunt deer, FINE. Keep your assinine comments to yourself.
      My family not only hunts deer, LEGALLY I might add, we do ALL of the PROCESSING ourselves. We process the meat, we tan the hides, we mount the horns, virtually NOTHING goes to waste. We don’t hunt at ‘game farms’, we don’t bait, we don’t shine, we don’t shoot outside of legal hunting hours, we don’t tresspass, we do it right.

      1. jackactionhero says:

        You mount horns? Of what? Not deer. They have antlers. 🙂

      2. Mark Too says:

        You don’t know what’s behind what you are shooting at. Obviously you are NOT doing it right.

  12. Bob Lalone says:

    I had the same experience this hunting season. While on the stand I see four deer attempting to cross a ditch bank. The fawn and buck make it across, but the doe gets stuck in the mud on the right bank. I could only see the head and back of the doe, so I pull up and shoot the doe high in the back. When I arrive at the kill site, a buck jumps up broad side to me up on three legs and I fire a round knocking it down. I noticed from the doe, that the bullet on the first shot went through the back of the doe and into the front shoulder of the second buck. If I would have waited another 10 -15 minutes, the buck would have died with the initial round.

  13. Mark B says:

    So what I did that last year. It s not that rare.

  14. Mike Jacobson says:

    I see both sides here. I grew up hunting in ND and took many geese, ducks, and pheasant. When I moved to MN I took up deer hunting. I shot my 1st deer and it was a young buck. My second was a large doe who was gasping for breath as I stood over her, looking at me. I quit hunting after that, 20 years ago. If you eat what you kill I understand. If you kill for sport I have a problem.

    1. jackactionhero says:

      You mean if YOU kill for sport YOU have a problem. Don’t tell the rest of us you have a problem with us for our motivations, Mike. That isn’t up to you.

  15. Mr D says:

    The comments in this story are the funniest i have read in a long time. I don’t know if I can sleep tonight knowing that a orphan baby is out in the woods all alone waiting to die from lead poisoning.

  16. Jake says:

    GOOD SHOT, BOB, hope you have many more like that!!!

  17. Hunter up North says:

    Does Mr D mean Mr Dunce?
    These fawns are not running around the woods crying “ma ma, ma ma.” You’ve watched too much Bambi. The fawns are already separated from the does. If they choose to walk with her, that’s fine. Bucks and does are not monogamous, so if I shoot the buck do you think the doe is calling for her mate?
    Good grief.

  18. kim says:

    I know lets make deer hunting illegal so that they become overpopulated so every body can hit one with their car. I am not a hunter but if you are great I would rather see you hunt and use the product than me hit another with my truck already hit 2 this year

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