By Liz Collin

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — A hockey team wants answers after they say a referee went way too far.

Scott didn’t want us to use his last name to protect his son’s identity. His 14-year-old son ended up with a concussion from hitting his head on the ice.

Before any game, some hockey parents may admit to worrying about their players. None would imagine for a reason like this.

Saturday afternoon, a Minneapolis Storm Bantum team played a game at the Blake Ice Arena. Tied with five minutes to go, the goalie froze the puck and players started pushing. Two were given penalties. While one player waited to get in the box, people watching said the referee went after Scott’s unsuspecting son.

Scott said the ref pushed up his arm like a football block.

“It looked to me like he got hit right under the chin,” Scott said.

His son fell to the ice and hit the back of his head on the ice.

“I was yelling ‘You just hurt my kid,'” Scott said. “The linesman who had knocked him over and the other linesman were standing there — they weren’t doing anything.”

Ben Anderson is the head coach of the Bantum B-1 Storm. He said he’s never seen anything like that happen between his playing days and being involved in the sport as a coach.

Anderson was concerned for the rest of his team’s safety and he said he wanted the game to stop. He told the referees he would let his players back on the ice if that linesman left the game.

They refused and issued instead what’s called a match penalty basically removing Anderson from coaching until a formal forum hears his side.

“Ultimately, being suspended is the ultimate penalty because I don’t get to do what I love to do,” Anderson said.

Scott’s son has a concussion and will miss at least a few weeks. While Scott believes in respecting referees, he said they still have to play by the rules.

“I’d like them to be suspended just like our coach was suspended. I’d like them to not take the ice the way my son can’t take the ice,” Scott said.

It is difficult to go after a referee since they’re considered the ruling power in hockey. The team will file a grievance against the referee, that way he’ll be up for a disciplinary hearing. We’ve learned all of the referees involved in that game on Saturday were high ranking officials with a referee’s association.

A spokesperson told WCCO-TV they wouldn’t comment on the incident. As for the coach, Ben Anderson said his hearing is scheduled for Sunday.

Liz Collin

Comments (111)
  1. riley says:

    I’m confused did the ref hit the kid or did the line men hit the kid?!

  2. sabrina says:

    C’mon Liz, it’s BANTAM not BANTUM!!! Do your research, girl!!

  3. Liz says:

    Thats ridiculous! They have no reason to touch your child period. He is an adult I’d charge him with assault. PS riley the ref is a lines man, its the same thing.

    1. jackactionhero says:

      It’s NOT the same thing. Don’t speak up if you don’t even know.

    2. Rockfish says:

      No, the ref calls penalties and the lines men call the offsides and icings. I see you are a knowledgable person. Refs don’t touch the. You need to get a clue before putting your thoughts in writing.

    3. Brian says:

      Wow so I guess Liz is clueless about EVERYTHING. They have no reason to touch your child period? Please. It’s not completely clear exaclty what happened, but I can guarantee this ref didn’t spring some unprovoked, sneak attack on a 14 year old kid. There is more to the story that we’re not hearing. Liz is obviously “that” parent who’s kids can do no wrong. Scary

      1. Liz says:

        I’m only 17, so yeah I’m not “that” parent….. bottom line the ref/linesman/official is an adult and he has the all power full whistle. If the child was acting like a tool then blow your sweet whistle and bench him. You don’t touch him at all.

        1. Paul says:

          As a hockey official for over 25 years, I can tell you you are absolutey wrong in saying that we can’t “touch them at all”. When youth players are involved in an altracation, we have the right and obligation to physically restrain them. There is a procedure taught for this. This report is only telling the story from the parent/coach’s perspective

          1. jackactionhero says:

            You’re right on your initial point, Paul. The refs frequently do have to separate players by being between them and creating space.

            Although this report does not give the ref’s side of the story, it does seem to be the case that the player who was injured did not need to be restrained or separated from another player, which would be the only reason to make physical contact on purpose to begin with, correct?

            If the player does not NEED to be physically restrained or separated from another player, would you not then agree that the ref was way out of line?

          2. ..... says:

            I was referring to the story. I didn’t say “you cant touch them” I said “dont touch him” in this case he was not in the middle of a scuffle he was (according to the article) not doing anything so yeah… no reason to touch him.
            I’m sure this story is from a a parent/ coach perspective. I’ve been to hockey games, the parents lose their minds but maybe the ref did a little bit do since the kid did end up with a concussion.

    4. Come on --- says:

      So how much ya wanna snowballs of course to remain legal …. that he gets more time for a camera than Amy Senser gets for taking a life ?
      BTW…and funny but I did not see any reference here (wink-wink and wonders why? lol) that Ms Amy Senser again received another postponement until mid-January, 2012 on her hearing. And that good ol’ Judge Peterson also has a cease order on any civil gathering of info until after the criminal is done….. imagine that now. A life is not worth a damn thing evidently unless it is white, rich, well connected it seems. Way to go Judicial System and political schmucks…. your true colors are showing up well. 😉
      She deserves jail time like everyone else and Judge Peterson needs to friggen go. Didn’t realize he could be had so easy…….sad

    5. pillow -eeeeeeeze says:

      Can I send you some pillows there Liz…zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    6. Andrew says:

      how do they break up fights than?

  4. Rockford says:

    First this was a B1Bantam game. Who knows what had been going on in the game prior to this skirmish. The refs were veteran guys. Refs don’t care who wins and are good enough on their skates that a B1 player will not push them around. This kid probably fell and hit his head and now the parent is upset little johnny got hurt. Coaches do not dictate when are with what refs they are willing to play. The coach is an idiot. This is ridiculous to even give coverage to this type of thing. Who did this parent know at WCCO? Refs work hard out there and have to deal with idiot coaches and parents. They do not need this. Go to a game and watcht eh bench and stands to understand what I am saying.

    1. jackactionhero says:

      I’ve been to more youth hockey games than all of you combined, I’m pretty sure…

      Yes, the refs work hard and have to deal with idiot parents and coaches, but that was not the case in this situation.

      The ref pushed a kid backwards who was not involved in the scrum in front of the net. The kid fell and hit his head. The ref caused the fall and the injury. Period. There is not another perspective to be had here.

      1. Paul says:

        Did you actually witness this event, or are you going by what’s reported in the story? Listening to the kid’s dad describe the actions of the linesman, that is very close to the accepted procedure for restraining a player involved in an altracation. Regarding your first comment on the number of games you’ve been to, I’ll give you 10 to 1 odds on that one. I’ve been a hockey officiall for 25 years.

        1. jackactionhero says:

          I’m going by an eyewitness’ report who is not the father or the player or the ref involved.

          I’ll still take that bet, Paul…

          1. Paul says:

            Jack, was the eyewitness a fan of one of the teams involved in the game. I have had many occasions to sit in the stands & watch games and I can honestly say that 99% of parents there do not realize how much their bias affects their perception. If you want to have fun sometime, go watch a game that you have no vested interest in the outcome, and listen to the comments from the parents.
            Nice exchange on both postins.

            1. jackactionhero says:

              The eyewitness was a parent of a teammate of the injured I believe. That person is also commenting below as CC.

              All parents are biased in the stands as far as what they see. Every time a parent sees their kid make contact with an opposing player, I hear their mom yelling “HEYYYYYY!!!!” as if there should be a penalty called for anybody touching their kid. I agree with you completely.

              My son and I like to be at games reeeeally early, so we usually watch the games before ours, and you are very right. It drives me nuts to hear parents yelling at the refs.

              1. Paul says:

                I dont know if this post took on the exchange we had on Liz’ post, but the accepted procedure for restraining a playeyr, is to aproach from the side, with one arm come up from under the shoulders and the other arm from above, bring your arms together imobilizing the players arms. If a player resisst while you have your “clamp” secured, that player could easily lose their balance and fall, art which point we would release the lock so we would not fall on top of the player. Listening to the dad’s description of the incident, this sounds like this is what could hacve happened. I’m not defending the crew involved, I have not heard their side of the story, but let’s not convict them based on the one side of the story in this report.

      2. MJ says:

        I agree. There were a LOT of eye witnesses. Too many, in my opinion, to make an outlandish claim like this if it were not true. My friend’s son was in that game, and she is NOT one of “those,” parents, and it went down just as jackactionhero said. I was not there, personally, but the end result is a 14 year old CHILD has a brain injury because of this linesman. Provoked or NOT, he hurt a child and he should not only NOT be working right now, he should be facing assault charges. I’m shocked at how many people on here are justifying the action. Seriously, people!!

      3. BRIAN says:

        Were you actually at this game ??? Because what I get out of the story is this team is more worried about having the coach suspended than the safety of thier children. If you were not there, this story is a he said she said type of deal. Maybe this kid was upset he was getting a penalty and acted like a donkey and came at the linesman.

        We as officials (the correct term to use) sometimes have to get physically involved to restrain the players. We are there to keep the peace and not make trouble. As veteran officials, all three of these guys have probaly seen the whole spectrum when it comes to incidents in a hockey game. I find it hard to believe that this linesman went after ANY player without provocation. And then only to quell the situation definately not to hurt any player.

        I am an 18 year veteran Ice Hockey Official, certified in many different levels of Ice Hockey, I am also an instructor for USA Hockey Officials program. Above all, the safety of players, fans, coaches and officials is out number priority. That being said, reserve judgement until the rest of the story has come out.

  5. rayjay says:

    Referees dont care who wins??? obviously you haven’t been to a District 6 game in Edina. I’ve seen too many games where some refs have an agenda both good and bad. Refs are human with human faults. Probably Republicans.

    1. Shawn Reinke says:

      Really. You had to get political with this?

    2. Realist says:

      Oh here we go…

  6. Ben says:

    MOST refs/officials are egotistical buffoons. They have a predetermined mind set as to who’s going to win and who they’re going to “protect”. There are some EXCELLENT refs/officials out there, but unfortunately they are in the minority.
    I can’t wait for video evidence to come out on this incident. If indeed the adult/ref/official/ linesmen did this he should be strung up & publicly flogged, not to mention get his mug shot on the front page of every newspaper in the country & a story in SPORTS ILLUSTRATED!
    Sad sad sad. 🙁

  7. Steve says:

    Whether it officiating or the parents of hockey player, it’s out of hand. It’s not something for fun, go to a game and listen to the parents. Regardless of age, it’s the most out of hand sport our children play.

    1. jackactionhero says:

      That doesn’t happen at our games, and I have 4 boys on 4 different teams in youth hockey from Mites to Bantams. District 8 and District 9.

      It’s definitely something for fun. Not sure what you’re watching.

      1. Rocket Scientist says:

        I have played, coached and refereed for over 45 years, so I have seen my share. Your district has its share. They all do. Not all games have the type of shenanigans described here but all refs have to deal with this constantly. i have done your districts in tourneys, trust me all districts have it. USA hockey has prcedures to address the refs if there is a complaint. If the guiys have been doing it for a number of years, they know what they are doing. Refs do not push innocent players around. Now troublemakers who arent repsonding to commands, different story. Especially with 13-14 year old boys.

        1. jackactionhero says:

          Maybe, but that wasn’t the case here, and that has to be accounted for…

          As a witness to the event stated, the ref was not bumped. He was standing and grabbed the player by the jersey and threw him to the ice.

          Can you think of an instance in your refereeing career when you did this?

        2. CC says:

          WOW Rocket Scientist did you actually just type “Refs do not push innocent players around. Now troublemakers who arent repsonding to commands, different story. Especially with 13-14 year old boys”. You have been a coach and a referee for over 45 years and you can justify putting your hands on a child? You “know what you are doing”. Well if knowing what you are doing is assaulting a player, I’m scared for any child you come in contact with.

          1. Rockfish says:

            When players of any size are scrumming around the net, you have to grab and control. As for the player just standing there and being knocked down, I really doubt a ref with any experience would do that. Why is this newsworthy?

            1. jackactionhero says:

              You doubt, yet here we are discussing exactly that. Hmmmmmm.

      2. Stop the insanity! says:

        CONGRATS jackactionhero …..your games etc are the exception.
        Nothing I’ve watched, for the past 40 years was fun.
        Most parents are crazy, living vicariously through their kids. The lessons learned in hockey are poor.
        Time to clean up the sport from the Pros to the youth/beginners/Squirts/Mites etc…

        1. jackactionhero says:

          I have seen those parents, and yes they are everywhere. I’m fortunate that my 13 year old plays on a C team. The parents are a little less rabid than when he was on a B team.

          1. ME123 says:

            funny funny Jackactionhero,
            C teams statistically draw more penalties all around including penalties for fans but i guess again we should just bow to your superior anecdotal data.

            1. jackactionhero says:

              I have never seen a penalty against fans in any youth hockey game.

              Why are you so confrontational and insulting about it?

              I’m stating my experiences, and you’re trying to mock me and discredit me for them. Why?

              1. hockeyfan says:

                jackaction: you already said you were not at this hockey game. so really anything you state about the game as fact, to keep it simple, is just a game of telephone. in other words hearsay. what gives you the right to crucify someone and state a friend’s biased, parental opinion as a fact?

                in any situation where multiple people are involved there are heated opinions should someone ask: if this official (we are assuming that he is an adult, because some officials are kids too) blatantly assaulted a kid, why did someone not call the cops and why is the official not in jail? what things happened that lead up to this event? i am not saying that any adult has the right to throw a kid around, we just don’t know the whole story.

                the point is if you were not there you do not know all the facts. a great example of this would be the reporter who wrote the article. ref or lines? bantam hockey? not many facts and the article is just plain messed… should have, could have had a hockey person proof it?

                i challenge you, jackaction, to officiate a hockey game or for that matter any other sport.

    2. SUZEQ says:

      Couldn’t have said it better, Steve.
      The biggest bullies, HANDS DOWN, in HS were the hockey players. Eliminating ‘CHECKING’ WOULD DO WONDERS FOR THE SPORT. Game suspensions for *FIGHTING (* although illegal at most levels) would do the game a lot of good also.
      Concussions are a serious issue. Look at Boogaard…yea he probably had other issues but look at the report: “Derek Boogaard, one of the National Hockey League’s most aggressive players, suffered from Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy, or CTE, a degenerative brain disease that results from repetitive trauma to the head, an autopsy of his brain has revealed….” ….TOTALLY PREVENTABLE.

      1. jackactionhero says:

        You don’t understand hockey in the slightest, least bit.

        Hockey players are the least likely to be bullies, and the least likely to be in trouble with the law, when compared to any of the other major sports.

        As for your checking and fighting opinion, well that is just the opinion of someone who doesn’t know anything about hockey at all. What a completely idiotic thing for you to even suggest, considering your total lack of knowledge on the subject.

      2. JTR says:

        There are suspensions for fighting, ya jackwagon.

    3. Miller says:

      Actually it isn’t, peewee football is, you can laugh and think I’m an idiot but YouTube parents in youth sports and watch what comes up. USA hockey has actually set the stepping stone for youth contact sports by the new checking/body contact rules. They are taking the steps to make the game safer for young athletes.

      1. jackactionhero says:

        I agree with you. Sports parents are fanatical idiots. They all think their kid is the next Sidney Crosby or Adrian Peterson and insist they be treated that way.

        I love the rule changes for youth hockey. It forces the bigger kids that are Peewees to concentrate on playing the puck and improving their skill play, rather than enticing them to become goons at age 12 and 13.

  8. Al says:

    I am both an official AND my child (daughter) played hockey. First, I don’t think that there is enough information to draw a conclusion. Why did the offical skate up to this kid? Was he refusing to go to the box? Were they taking their time getting into the box? delay of game? Like I said, not enough information. Plus, it doesn’t take much for anyone to slip and fall on the ice. It is also a possability that the ref “bumped” the kid and the kid wasn’t expecting it and fell. Also, where was this kids helmet? Like I said, not enough information.
    Plus, being an official (not hockey) you would NOT believe the behavior of alot of the parents and coaches out there and the language and behavior THEY direct tword the officials. Just a thought, for those parents out there that do that….nice example you set for your kids.

    1. It's sports as usual says:

      ‘CCO needs a “like” button. I like what you said Al.

    2. jackactionhero says:

      The ref was firmly on his skates and he didn’t run/bump into the player. He grabbed him by the jersey and threw him to the ice.

  9. It's sportts as usual says:

    I’m guessing the 14 year old wasn’t totally innocent in this altercation. As is standard in most sporting events, it is usually the one that retaliates that gets caught and penalized. In this case, the linesman probably reacted to a previous event that went unnoticed by everyone. All they saw was the end result. Where’s Paul Harvey when you need him for “the rest of the story?”

  10. CC says:

    I can understand that there might be questions and since I was at the game I will answer them. The ref was firmly on his skates and he didn’t run/bump into the player. He grabbed him by the jersey and threw him to the ice. The kid was wearing a helmet, that’s how severe the hit was. A penalty had not been called and the player was standing in front of his own goalie when it happened. “Little Johnny” is not a little hurt. He has a concussion and not sure of when he will return. As for the coach, his actions were appropriate. Sending players back on the ice after one had been assaulted would have been irresponsible at best.

  11. Al says:

    I’m not trying to protect the official in any way. YES, there are some real losers out there doing some officiating. The problem is, most parents look at a mistake by one offical then we all are bad. But here’s a question….was the kid pushed or did he try to pull away from the offical? There has been a few times I’ve seen a kid refuse to go to the box so the ref has to physically put him in there, was this the case? I would LOVE to see a video of this. If anyone had a video of this and wants to put it on youtube, please…let me know. Plus, why is it “daddy” said Johnny got hit under the chin but witnesses are saying the ref grabbed his jersey? Who’s right and who’s wrong??

    1. CC says:

      It depends on where you were sitting. From my angle it looked as though he grabbed the player, elbow up and he flipped him to the ice. My son who was on the bench and had a better view said he grabbed the jersey, the elbow came up into the players face and threw him down. The player was not getting a penalty. There was NO reason to touch this player. I understand that the job of being an official is a hard one and I know mistakes get made. This official does not fall into that catagory. This official falls into “loser” as you say and should not be on the ice.

      1. ME123 says:

        Hmm that is just it isn’t CC you were not on the ICE at all you were in the stands and from your angle. I guess we should just ref the game from the stands so we can all have the superior knowledge and insight that you have. and your “son” was on the bench wow we should totally trust what he says via you as the truth cause kids don’t exaggerate or lie or change stories because their coaches and teammates coerce them into things or anything no no no you sir are the embodiment of truth and justice in this world

        1. jackactionhero says:

          Do you have a reason to discredit her view and description of the events or are you just an insufferable prick who can’t help but insult people on the Internet?

          Well? Which is it, tough guy?

          1. Rockford says:

            We hear it all the time, tough guy.

      2. Al says:

        All I’m saying is I’m not pointing fingers at either the offical or the kid until I see a video of what happened. On here, there are to many people saying to many differant things to draw an accurate conclusion as to who was at fault. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.

  12. ME123 says:

    wow CC so you and jackactionhero are the same person awesome trying to make yourself look good what a total knob head. and your own account of the game does not even match the coaches or parents. so you must be right and they are way wrong Eh? Now you would be right if the game official actually came up and threw the player on the ice sure he should be punished. But if it was an accident or more likely the kid was either say or doing something stupid then the official had every right to put his hands up and prevent the player from causing harm to someone else. and as for the serious injury hockey is contact sport always has been and always will be. if you play the game you assume the risk of injury or even death. if you can not handle that then go play basketball. Finally for the coach he knew what he was doing. refusing to start play it actually has a place in the rule book. imagine that rule 632 B and as a coach he should know the rules, and consequences for not following those rules

    1. jackactionhero says:

      But CC was there, and you weren’t.

      Isn’t that an accurate statement?

      So, when it comes right down to it, you don’t have the slightest clue about that which you speak, do you… No. You don’t.

      1. ME123 says:

        and neither were you by your own admission and anything you say about the event is then hearsay


        I’m going by an eyewitness’ report who is not the father or the player or the ref involved.
        I’ll still take that bet, Paul…
        December 7, 2011 at 12:22 pm | Reply | Report comment

    2. CC says:

      Sorry, not the same person. You weren’t at the game, I was and this official threw the player to the ice. That statement I will stand behind 100%! And, I understand that injury is a possiblity, you just don’t expect it from the very people that are supposed to be officiating the game.

      As for your comment to go play basketball, you’re an idiot.

  13. puck says:

    Why was this kid not in the penalty box setting down if he respected the refs??? all he had to do is step in and set down and he would not of been touched ther is a lot more to this story. What bothers me is that if this would have happened in some place like Mora Mn. wear there is not as much $$$ it would be done and gone instedt it a bunch of cake eaters so now ITS NEWS when the kid prouble brought it on him self ( no one wants there kid to have a concision ) but they are all tough guy till the refs get there Maybe the parants should think Coach should think about taking these kids and play ping pong its much safer and they all could have there way!!! When will WCCO do a news report on abuse of officials or when a official get punched , I se that the coach is being dealt with

    1. jackactionhero says:

      He didn’t say a word to the ref. He wasn’t even one of the players earning a penalty on the play. Did you even bother reading the story? It would appear you did not.

      When will you learn to spell? I mean really, how embarrassing to come on the Internet and insult someone else’s 13 year old but not be able to spell half the words in your rant. Ouch.

      1. puck says:

        After reading all your post jacko I now know that you are a parant that has the hole game and its political bull all figured out. as far as you have seen more hockey then all of us -You could not hold up my jock strap ! and I have been told by alot better then you that I cant spell it dose not embarras me at all some were just type-os and that also dose not mean that I dont have hockey smarts just means that you are alot better then all other cake eatters better donkeys!!!
        refed for more then 25 years with 2 kids that played Squirts -WCHA and some minnor pro. put that in you pipe and smoke it…

        1. jackactionhero says:

          If you’re challenging my hockey pedigree, I currently have 4 boys in hockey. I have one Mite, two Peewees, and a 2nd year Bantam. Also, my brother in law played Division 1 hockey for UMD and University of Iowa as well as playing AHL hockey alongside current NHLers including playing with Evgeni Nabakov who is now the New York Islanders goaltender, if you’ve heard of them…

          Also, I’m not looking to hold up your jock strap or anybody elses for that matter. No offense, but you must have been a ref prior to the helmet laws….

  14. Al says:

    I’m just not going to draw a conclusion from what I read. I would love to see a video of this. There are to many people saying to many differant things. “He grabbed his jersey”…..”he hit the kid with a high forearm”…:”he threw him down”….how about this??…..the ref wanted to get the game over with because there was only 5 minutes left. Skated over and possably grabbed the kids jersey to separate this kids and get the game back on. the kid didn’t expect to be grabbed, got surprised, jumped alittle lost his balance and went down…accident. It’s possable. Don’t know, wasn’t there..again, show me a video.

    1. jackactionhero says:

      He didn’t need to separate the kid from anybody. He wasn’t involved in the scrum. This has been explained ad nauseum at this point, and people are still posting the same idiotic comments speculating things happened that clearly did not.

      Learn to read. I mean seriously. I’m actually embarrassed FOR you after reading this comment.

  15. Al says:

    oh , and jackactionhero….you say he didn’t say a word to the ref huh? were you on the ice? were you close enough to hear? nope and with all the noise there was there, there is no way you can say that. Unless you are listening to the “boys” and trust me..14 year olds don’t lie..(snicker,snicker) I, being an official for almost all age groups in 3 differant sports can tell you from expierance that the junior high level boys have the least amount of respect for any type of sport officials. Once they reach high school they realize that the officials have the authority to take away game time from them. Junior high kids think that they are untouchable from anyone including their own parents. Not saying this kid disrespected the offical, but it happens ALOT at this level from the players.

    1. jackactionhero says:

      Al, thanks for spending some of your time officiating youth sports. Volunteers like you keep the integrity of the sport.

      Trust you about 14 year olds, eh? How many do you have exactly? I have an 8 year old son, a 12 year old son, a 13 year old son and a 15 year old son. They are all in hockey.

      They don’t ever disrespect any officials in any sport, nor would they or I’d tear their ears off.

      1. Al says:

        I have a 23 year old who played soccer and baseball his whole life, a 21 year old who played baseball abd basketball and a 19 year old daughter who played volleyball, hockey for 11 years and softball. I would also do the same to my kids and they knew it. My daughter as a JV player in a game against Burnsville was crosschecked 5 times and nothing called. She had the welts and showed them to me between the 2nd and 3rd period. I had talked to the refs and showed them the welts. They promised to watch out for that which was fine for me. I gave them the benefit of a doubt. 2 min left in the game she took a flagrant crosscheck to her lower back 10 feet in front of a ref who was looking straight at it. He called nothing. She got so frustrated that she punched the girl and put her on her backside. My daughter got a 1 game suspension which she deserved then she lipped off to the ref. She got a stern butt chewing and a 2 weeks grounding from me for her mouth. Fact is, as a fellow hockey parent I know how loud an arena can be. There is no way you can say weather or not the kid said anything.

        1. jackactionhero says:

          You’re right. I have no way of knowing if he said anything or not.

          Is it relevant if he said something?

          What could he have said that would have legitimized the ref throwing him onto his head on the ice? Just curious…

          1. Al Schwarting says:

            So if you had no way of knowing that, why were you saying that he didn’t say anything then???? This is why I won’t draw any conclusions because there are to many people on here that think they know what happened but really don’t. They just like shooting their mouth off on here. Like you for example.

            1. jackactionhero says:

              Way to comment like a buffoon, Al, you idiot.

              What could the kid have said to earn being bounced off his skull?

              Answer the question.

              1. BRIAN says:

                You need to stop, you are going by a person who apparently was at the game and has a jaded perspective. If neither of you were on the ice, then you can not make any claims as to what actually happened or what was actually said. Even at the BANTAM level of hockey there is anger and frustrationtowards official, not just the parents and coaches, but the players also. If he did indeed knock this player to the ice, there must have been a reason for this action. Things people in the stands could not possibly have been aware of. Maybe the player made threats toward the oposition and was attempting to go after them, maybe verbal threats were made,in which instants the official would have to get involved. maybe grabbing his shirt to stop him from going after antoher player, a common action taken to tie up a player by an official. I just find it hard to believe that a ‘SEASONED” official would out of nowhere just throw a player to the ice without reason. It just doen’t happen. While the injury to the player is unfortunate, more than likely when the full story is out there will be clarity to why this happened. As for the coach, there are rules against not sending players out to continue a game, and he was penalized according to the rules. This dog and pony show is probably more likely the reason behind the publicity they have gone after. Hoping that the coach does not get suspended.

  16. puck says:

    ARE YOU BLIND i saw that puck go in the net from 95 feet away and you could not see it from 10 feet??? I have seen better eyes on a potato!!! oh ya I cant spell so that makes me a hockey dummy and a poor ref…I will bet there are 2 teams out here to!!

  17. justgottoask says:

    I have read the article. I have watched the video. I have read through all the comments. I have to ask though, where did the actual incident take place. Did the incident between official and player occur in front of the goalie crease or did the incident take place in front of the penalty box? Since the player involved did not get a penalty. I would like to find out what was occurring just prior to the play being blown dead. I understand that a player received a concussion and that is unfortunate. Did the official do so in an attempt to cause harm to a player ( I can’t imagine this) that needs to be determined and I am sure will be done at a very high level. Did the player do anything to deserve a concussion – absolutely not… I will not include my credentials as to the subject matter… just that I am familiar in each Angle. I say angle because everyone commenting has a different angle of view especially those in attendance. I was not there I do not know what transpired…. I will say that for those comments above that Officials should never put there hands on a player and insinuating that it is assault is very crass. Yes Officials do touch players and yes officials do grab jersey’s of players. No officials are not trained to throw players to the ice after grabbing said jersey. I am sure there is more to the story. And YES Hockey is FUN and a great tool for learning especially about life’s lesson’s away from the rink. Parents, Coaches need to teach this menatality and kids need to be open to hearing the good and the bad. The best Officials are those that go un noticed.

    Have a great season !!

    1. Al says:

      Where did you see the video? If you are talking about the one the news station showed. I don’t believe that it was from this game.

    2. Rocket Scientist says:

      Great comment. It is apparent the parent of this kid, jack, is all wound up. This over reaction is the reason alot of refs leave the ice. USA Hockey will check it out and I would be interested in knowing if the ref is sanctioned. I hope there is some follow up.

      1. jackactionhero says:

        I’m the only one NOT wound up, chief.

        And my kids don’t play hockey in that district.

        This isn’t an overreaction by anybody. Refs cannot throw kids onto the ice. Period. There is no leeway there. Do you disagree?

  18. rocky says:

    Hokie is for bone heads, I play chess, on my girl friend……

  19. Carolyn Rhoden says:

    I was at the game in question (Grandmother of a team member not the injured child)
    FACT the child was thrown down on the ice by the REF no matter what angle it was in seen from. Yes it was in front of the net. At the time of the assault there wasn’t any skater from the other other team involved he had skated away no fight to break up. Does it matter if the kid mouthed off NO the Ref is the ADULT he has no right to physically throw a child down on the ice so hard his helmet comes off. The reason the penalty box exists is to deter bad behavior also if the Ref. finds the behavior over the top the player can be thrown out of the game. There is no excuse for a Ref. to resort to physical violence. IF it had been my child I would have called the police to press charges for an assault. Also the Coach had the boys leave the ice for their safety when the Ref. in question was not removed after assaulting our player.

    1. jackactionhero says:

      Thanks for posting this.

      All the idiots commenting how the kid did something to deserve this can now go pound sand.

      1. paddy says:

        clearly the ref in question and his actions wil be reviewed, hopefully quickly, to resolve the matter. i truly hope the skater that was (presumably) dropped by the ref will recover 100% and continue to skate. i feel for the skater in this instance…the last thing he is contemplating is getting decked by a ref…another disgruntled skater maybe…but, a ref…never! my son was a skater….youth, bantam A, varsity, collegiate etc. and of all the games i attended not once did i witness a ref ever resort to the alleged level of man-handling that this ref. apparently felt necessary to do. look, one ref in particular sticks out in my mind…love or hate him…and that is einer (golf pro in shakopee). the minute he stepped on the ice everyone, including the parents in the stands, knew who was in charge. firm and fair…with everyone.

      2. BRIAN says:

        Hey Jack … why is it that you have become the voive against officials ??? Maybe you have an axe to grind with said official, since you live in a neighboring district. Maybe this guy penalized your kid and you want revenge. You sound off more like a witch hunt then voice of reason. Once again, this “Grandma” was in the stands and has no idea what went on with the situation. She was probably looking through her coke bottle lenses and saw what she wanted to see, as is with most people in the stands. Please, there are two sides to every story and until we get the full story then reserve judgement. I sure YOU would not like people talking about you if they didn’t know your side of a story. You are starting to sound like a bit of a JACK ASS instead of a JACKACTIONHERO … take a pill or something.

  20. PlyrRef says:

    Unfortunate that the player was injured. Officials are not out to hurt anyone intentionally. Likely the kid made a comment or insulted the official or did something that led the official to take that action.
    Regarding making physical contact with players – It is unrealistic to say that officials “shouldn’t touch any kid” – if there is a fight between two kids and needs to be broken up, that has to involve touching those kids and whatever manner is appropriate to separate them. That is the only situation where officials should be making any kind of contact with a player.
    Officiating is a difficult job; those who criticize need to spend two seasons working the job before making any further criticisms.

    1. Getyourfactsstraight says:

      Agree 100%. I am a family member of a high ranking official and I can assure you that NO official would EVER touch/push/seperate a player unless they needed to to protect other players from further harm. There are 2 sides to every story and unfortunately WCCO only chose to hear one side of the story. Shame on you WCCO, Shame on you.

      1. jackactionhero says:

        Well apparently one has or we wouldn’t be having this discussion. They are people too, and they have emotions and fail to control them at times just like anybody else.

        But that doesn’t let him off the hook now does it…

    2. Carolyn Rhoden says:

      I agree being a Ref. is a hard job but with that comes a responsibility of fair behavior sometimes a Ref does need to pull players apart during a fight totally reasonable behavior. In this particular case the Ref. may not have meant to hurt this 14 year old but he did the child has a concussion. The .Ref crossed the line and all of us that saw the game know it.

      1. PlyrRef says:

        unfortunately the child is more injured because he wasn’t wearing his mouth guard and helmet correctly either. When fully strapped on as directed the helmet would not come off like that. it should not have happened in the first place, and kids don’t wear that equipment correctly and it does make a difference.

        1. Dist 10 ref says:

          Well said. I hope the light will also shine on the coaches and parent’s actions after this. I ref with a lot of refs and you know going in which teams, coaches and parents, you will have problems with. I hope this young man is alright. Good point on the equipment.

        2. jackactionhero says:

          Interesting perspective. I hadn’t thought of that, but you’re probably right. If his helmet flew off, how well could the straps have been tightened, and the snaps secured?

          As far as the mouth guard, how do you know that he wasn’t wearing it or wasn’t wearing it correctly? (How does one wear a mouth guard incorrectly anyway?)

          1. Referee says:

            Uh?? You put it in your mouth? Like between your upper and lower teeth!! NOT chewing on side of it, not sticking it in your visor actually PUTTING it in your mouth!!! This is a constant annoyance and even the 10 minute misconduct that comes with not wearing their mouth guards is a deterrence because these kids are above what the officials say…….right? They don’t have to listen to us??

    3. jackactionhero says:

      “Likely the kid made a comment or insulted the official or did something that led the official to take that action.”


      What could the kid have said that would have warranted being thrown down by a ref?

      Please be SPECIFIC.

  21. MNSUX says:

    Another shining example of “Minnesta Nice”. Why don’t you people just admit you’re a bunch of f’ing a-holes and don’t give a rat’s ass about anybody except the person in the mirror?

    1. jackactionhero says:

      Is someone having a bad day?


  22. Paul says:

    And yet YOU felt the need to post a comment here insulting everyone else who posted here, …pot…kettle…black!!

  23. puck says:

    1st, I would like to say sorry To Jacko, I was not there and I am going to assume that he was not ether so him and I should not make it personal and should not judge anyone . I felt he was backing this kid ( I feel bad that he was hurt) and it is my job in hockey to make sure that every body goes home safe. I have seen a lot of injuries in my years and none of them no matter how they happened are easy to take ( the younger the person the worse for me) but make no mistake a lot of people here are being vary quick to pass blame and there are only a few people (on the ice) that know!!

    2nd I am sure that someone some wear has it on video and it will come out.usahockey will take charge of this and will deal with it.

    3rd I like the fact that in Jr Hockey ALL games are video taped so if something like this happens it will be seen by all party’s involved and the guilty get nailed no matter who or what they are.

    I have seen all walks of hockey over step there bonds Players coaches and yes refs but more times then not it falls back on to the players and there is more to this store that will come out… So have fun and see you at the rink.

    1. jackactionhero says:

      No big deal, buddy. I’m a grown up. I can take it. 🙂

      Hockey is an intense sport. The level of physicality and intensity is rarely matched in other sports. It’s difficult for players to turn that aggressiveness on and then shut it off like a light switch. I think it’s especially difficult for adolescents to do so. And even so, the parents are still setting the worst examples for their kids to follow.

      Also, if I can brag for 10 seconds, my son scored 4 goals and notched an assist in a 10-3 win over Rochester last night. 🙂 He now has 17 goals and 6 assists after 13 games. 🙂

      1. Paul says:

        Move him back up to B, sandbagger…just kidding! 🙂

  24. AD says:

    Is there anything worse than hockey parents?

  25. max says:

    im on the team
    linesman pushed him with his forearm and he hit his head on the ice completly unprovoked

  26. Chris says:

    let’s get real people! Why does there always have to be somebody to blame? Why on earth would a reasonable person believe that a referee with decades of experience and several USA Hockey National Tournaments take advantage of a 14 yr old kid? If you do not think a child or your child should be touched, either teach him discipline or put your child in dance or swimming. A referee has the duty, just like the police etc to act as necessary. If children are being aggressive, they they are handled. Depending on what they do or how they resist, depends on how they are handled.

    What about the child’s coach or parent who obviously went crying to the media? Why on earth would either, but especially the parent allow his child who is in the process of getting over a concussion play in a gladiator sport?

    I am a parent and praise the referees who come out and take time away from their family’s to help our children. The group of guys who are involved in this non-sense need to stay strong. Once people realize that there is no backbone to this story, it will pass over. Good Luck!

  27. RobynG says:

    Where is the part about the kid being a jerk, cursing, and then when the linesman intervened threatened the official come into the story? Just sayin.

    There is a whole lot more to this story. It’s not one-sided.

    1. jackactionhero says:

      Are you stating that is what happened?

      Are adults to attack children now after children say WORDS to adults?

      Grow up.

  28. puck says:

    Long time ago ( 7 to 8 years) There was a ref that was on his way to pro hockey ( he was a High school ref here in the TC ) the news and the Star Trib. reported that this man was fixing HS hockey games and taking bets on games, his house was ransacked by police many things were confiscated and he had just received conformation the he was chosen to work the state HS hockey tourney, needless to say his career in hockey was most defiantly over. when all was said and done he was cleared of the charges about hockey and I felt bad for him because I knew he had not taken any bets in hockey but thanks to local news and the paper, hockey lost a great official. I know for a fact that Mn Hockey who banned him, News station that ran the story and of course The Star NEVER apologized to this guy for upsetting his whole life and taking a game that he loved away from him, I guess that its ok or is it??? I will wait and see how this plays out and because, If it comes out that this kid was in the middle of the skirmish and was acting like a tough guy or maybe un snapping his helmet like hockey players do to show how tough they are, That this mob mentality fan base, WCCO News apologizes – If the linesmen was out of line He should be dealt with also I will wait and see – VIDEO ANYONE??? Please- much more to this story!!!

  29. IRC says:

    I think this ridiculous on a couple levels. First off, shame on WCCO for airing this story without getting both sides of the story. Everyone knows that there are two sides to every story so wait till you have all the facts. Like someone said previously, this parent probably knew someone at the station and that is how it got on there. The last line of the story, “From everything we learned today the player did nothing to provoke the ref, it looks like he did it on purpose.” I mean seriously come on! How can the news organization say something like that without having all the facts! You just created a bias towards the ref on a slant in your story.

    All these people on here are saying they were at the game and that the ref grabbed the player by the jersey. How come the report in the story is conflicting with the news story. Why should we believe that you were there? We are commenting on something and can write anything. Like this: Hey I was there and it is didn’t go down like that. It is that simple. I wasn’t there but I have a very hard time believing that any ref would blatantly go after any player, especially if these were high ranking officials

    Next thing is, if the report is true about not wearing his helmet properly is true something needs to be said about that. Also, there are helmets out there that help with preventing concussions. They are the Messier Project helmets, get one! Why didn’t he have one of those? Was it too expensive or something? I know that if I was worried about my kid getting hurt I would make sure that they have the best equipment out there.

    I think comments areas are funny on stuff like this. All these people putting in their two cents and not knowing the full story. I hope once a video is produced or WCCO gets the refs side of the story they run it again. Like I said at the beginning of the post, Shame on you WCCO!

  30. Paul M says:

    As an ice hockey official for over 20 years, these stories are our worst nightmare. Either (a) an experienced official lost it on the ice and assaulted a player; or (b) someone has made a hysterical allegation based on flawed observation and misinterpretation. I hope that the local authority convenes quickly to either clear the name of the official involved, or get him off the ice. There does not seem to be a middle ground.

    USA Hockey loses well over one-third of its first-year officials each year. Think about that the next time you yell at some kid over an offside call in a mite house game.

    Finally, I have never met an official who wanted to do anything other than get the call right. We have no other agenda. Frankly, after the game is over I can’t remember half of it by the time I get to the car. The rest is gone by the time I get home.

    1. hockeyfan says:

      Well said Puck and Paul.

      Either way this comes out it is very unfortunate that the writer or the media did not take the time to get the facts correct or check out the other side of the story. Oh, that’s right officials are told not to talk to the media because of media like Liz and WCCO who put this story up and the chance of being misquoted or taken out of context.

      It is too bad there is not a flag option for reporting this article; like the option of reporting each comment we leave.

      Liz Collin: I have not seen your other articles, but this is not your best article, you are obviously not a hockey person and didn’t have anyone involved in hockey proof the article. If you are looking for reaction on a message board get hockey facts incorrect as we are very unforgiving, passionate people.
      Bantam? Official/Lines/Ref? Where the action occurred on the ice? So leads me to question what really happened or everything you write. Bummer Liz.

  31. PCP says:

    This is biased reporting. Period. In today’s world, news has become polarized. I remember when news reporting was due diligence on the part of the reporter to gather information from all sides of an issue.

  32. Referee says:

    This report puts a bad name on the reffing community in general. Liz should feel good about herself at night when she knows that she could of wrecked this ref’s career as an official. We, and yes I said we as in I’m an official, are there to make sure that every game is played for these young athletes. Without officials the game would not be sanctioned by USA hockey or any other reffing program in the nation. Do you people not understand the type of training that an official goes through to ref to where the three officials that were working that game go through….? It’s not like we say “hey I want to ref hockey” and they hand us a card and a crest. We take tests, complete on ice seminars, regional camps, national camps, skating tests,etc… Along with a lot of peoplendoing higher leagues after youth (juniors, NCAA, division 1, minor pro, pro). There is more training for those leagues too….

    Some of The comments I have read on here first say I was at the game then They weren’t at the game. You know who you are. It’s sad to me that you are trying to say that this adult targeted this certain player. Come on now really? In all of my years reffing in different parts of the state I have met many different officials and never in my life have I ever heard or seen that. We are out there for the love of the game, because CLEARLY it’s not for the money. 50% of the time we are taking trips through traffic taking lots of time away from friends and families just so the game can be played and passed on through time.

    Just like many officials, my moto is, “the day I stop having funding what I’m doing, it the day I hang up the skates”. We go out there every game, give it our best to make sure everyone is safe and risk injury to ourselves to officiate a game. If you don’t believe me, go to a rink and have someone take a slapshot at you or have multiple players check into the boards. An official last year broke his femur because a check he took. Do we have insurance for this through hockey? Yes, barely because everyone is cutting costs and the first thing to go is the official. Like Paul said, we lose a ton of first year officials. It’s because of parents that want to do this to people. Not one of the twenty peole I started with still ref because of parents and coaches in their first two years. Why do you think the burn out rate for young athletes is growing? Because parents get WAY too involved and push way too hard on their children… Seriously look it up.

    I’m going to end this rant with a few things first of all, learn both sides. Know the facts and know what the consequences are because this is someone’s passion (officiating) that your opinions are shutting down. the second is THIS IS JUST A GAME… Read the posters when you walk in the arena next time. Canada has commercials that they advertise that say this. third and definitely the most important is read the headline “hockey coach, parent ACCUSE referee of hurting player”. Accuse…. They won’t have a follow up on this so don’t get your hopes up because we are told not to talk to that media unless it comes from colorado (head of USA hockey). Incident reports were filed by the officials I’m sure and that will be the end of everything besides a thorough examination by the heads of USA hockey.

    For players that are reading this…. This is why you WEAR your mouth guards, wear your helmet PROPERLY…

  33. someone says:

    I wonder how the coaches’ hearing went? I hope he doesn’t get to coach again for the rest of his life!

  34. puck says:

    I came back to this store to see what was going with that or to see if any more was found out about the linesman and his fate but no bodys talking and WCCO will not report on that – wear do we stand, quick to pull the trigger not so quick to fallow up ??? I hope the kid is doing better and will get back on the ice, with his halmet on properly and mouth gard in, If he had it on and in we would not of had this converstion any way RIGHT ???

  35. Tony says:

    Still waiting for a follow up report. Was there one? Link?