ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — Minneapolis leaders offered Monday to have the city pay 22 percent of the cost of a new football stadium for the Minnesota Vikings at the current Metrodome site, putting the longtime home of the team in competition with an offer from neighboring Ramsey County.

The Minneapolis plan throws in a sweetener by setting aside money to renovate the aging Target Center basketball arena, relieving what’s a decades-long burden on property taxpayers in the state’s largest city. Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak called the proposal “two stadiums for the price of one.”

“In the long struggle to find a new home for the Vikings, and in the long battle to end stadium debates, today we have a game changer,” Rybak said at a Capitol press conference.

Ramsey County has been trying to woo the team out of Minneapolis with a suburban site about 10 miles north of St. Paul, one that would offer the opportunity for new retail, entertainment and hotel development. But with significant environmental cleanup and infrastructure improvement costs attached to the former Army ammunition plant in Arden Hills, the Ramsey County site is likely to carry a higher overall price tag.

Team spokesman Lester Bagley said the Minneapolis offer had good points but that the team was not consulted as city officials assembled it. Bagley said the proposed Vikings share in the Minneapolis plan — $400 million, or 45 percent of the total cost — is more than the team wants to pay.

The Minneapolis plan would require the demolition of the Metrodome, and the Vikings would play at the outdoor TCF Bank Stadium at the University of Minnesota for up to three seasons. Bagley said that would cost the team about $40 million in lost revenue, and that team officials are concerned about being fully competitive in the campus stadium.

“We do appreciate the city stepping up and saying here’s our proposal,” Bagley said. “But we are going to continue negotiations with Ramsey County hopefully to put together a deal.”

Either plan requires state legislative approval. There are two weeks left in a state legislative session in which Gov. Mark Dayton and lawmakers are simultaneously trying to erase a projected $5 billion budget shortfall.

“The sooner they choose the better,” Ted Mondale, Dayton’s point man on the stadium push, said of the Vikings. The governor has said he would sign a stadium bill, saying the team is a statewide asset and touting the construction jobs that would come with the stadium construction.

The Minneapolis plan calls for the city to put up $195 million for a $895 million, covered stadium. The city share would be raised by an admission tax on stadium events, a parking surcharge on NFL game days, extending the downtown Minneapolis hotel, restaurant and liquor tax to the entire city and raising the general city sales tax by 15 cents for every $100 purchase.

It would also set aside $95 million for Target Center renovations. Officials with the NBA’s Timberwolves have called fixing up the facility a necessity, and team owner Glen Taylor appeared with Rybak Monday to endorse the city’s plan. The city would turn over ownership of Target Center to a new state stadium authority that would also own the football stadium; Rybak said taking the city off the hook for Target Center upkeep and operations would mean about $50 million in property tax savings to Minneapolis residents and business owners.

The team and the state of Minnesota would pay the rest of the cost for the football stadium. The state would pay $300 million, or about 33 percent of the total costs, which would be raised by through a 10 percent state sales tax on sports memorabilia, a sales tax on luxury seats at the new stadium and on digital video recorders, and proceeds from stadium naming rights and a football-themed state lottery game.

Rybak and City Council President Barb Johnson, who supports the proposal, said they believe they could round up the necessary votes to get it through the city council.

Raising the necessary city sales taxes would require the Minnesota Legislature to vote to override the city’s charter commission, which prohibits sales tax increases without a vote by city residents. Several members of the city’s all-Democratic legislative delegation said that would be a very tough sell with their constituents, particularly given likely deep cuts to state programs in the face of a projected $5 billion state budget deficit.

“We’re constantly hearing that the Vikings are a statewide resource, with statewide benefits,” said Rep. Diane Loeffler. “To ask Minneapolis, which is so over-burdened in so many different ways, to step up with additional revenues seems to me very unfair and not the kinds of priorities I hear about from my constituents.”

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Comments (97)
  1. tom says:

    Has there really ever been any doubt that it would ever be built anyplace other than downtown mpls? The “Powers” control with an iron hand!

    1. Iconoclast says:

      There’s a sale on tin foil at Cub if you are running low on hats.

    2. David Wagner says:

      I would love to see a vikings new home stay were it is currently however thy could have came to the table a some time sooner we need to get what ever site picked out and get started on building not just fighting about how to pay for it this is the last year the viking s can play at the dome and everyone knew that so why did we sit around the site that is Ardin hills is not the best site because of all the roads in the area that would have to be redone and reports say 300 mill could be added to the tab who is going to come up with that i can insure you it will not be the Vikings so please Vikings lets get it done so we can move on besides everything is already set up at the dome

      1. T-Bone says:

        I am all for a stdium as long as those who benift pay, i.e a ticket tax. But why in HF 1441 do the Republuicans tax Ring tones and your cable DVR service. everyone who has a DVR should pay for a Viking stabium?

        Citation: HF 1441
        “a sales tax on direct satellite services” and
        “”Direct satellite service” means programming and programming services, including digital video recording services” (this is your DVR)

    3. RON says:


    4. Betsy says:

      Why should we pay for roads in Ramsey county so the Ziga Wilf group can have a ball park in Anoka and if they want it out there let them pay for the roads.
      Ziga just wants the land so he build more structures.

      Minneapolis already has all the roads and the light rail so let the wilf’s build the roads if they want Anoka as there site of choice.

    5. Winning says:

      I say the Vikings play 4 games each season at the TCF Bank, and 4 games each season at the Metrodome. Forget about a new stadium for Ziggy.

  2. Cindy says:

    It reallly is sad how corrupt the elected officials are isn’t it!

    1. Chris says:

      Cindy… Isn’t “corrupt” a little strong here?

      Using influence and power to persuade an outcome in your favor isn’t necessarily illegal (or corrupt) is it?

      Just seamed like you were implying that there is something inappropriate going on… if so, say it, otherwise, maybe choose your words a bit more carefully.

      1. Realist says:

        No Chris, Cindy is right on with her comment. Influence and power are not they way you should run a Government…but in todays day, power and corruption is the only way it is run…useless humans.

        There is always something inappropriate going on with any sort of deals the Government supports or declines.

        Your first fax pau was in the middle sentence where you support “persuade an outcome in your favor”…let the voters decide and not elceted officials who “persuade an outcome in their favor” to determine something like this.

        Oh that is right, it wouldn’t pass then would it?!?!?! Elected officials….really…nothing about them is “elected”.

        Idiots like Chris are the true problem and not the solution.

        1. IWonderIF says:

          Well said Realist – Cheers

          1. Cindy says:

            Chris, I did say it, corrupt and that is not strong, it is true. How can we possibly find the money? I thought our city was broke as we seem to be cutting programs, wages, parks, you name it, left and right. Suddenly we can get creative when it comes to a stadium? GIve me a damn break. If this team produces so much revenue, where is it now? Someone will get their palms greased and probably a real nice seat while the rest of us pay for it.

            1. scott3344 says:

              Yeah the entire $1.00 that you will probably pay out of pocket is going to kill your bank account.

            2. eastside_evil says:

              “Programs, wages and parks” do not get their funding from the same place money would come to be used for the stadium. So that is a moot point, and a purely emotional argument based on nothing, Cindy.

        2. Chris says:

          Realist, You call yourself a Realist???

          I think that you are just supporting the case I am making…

          The big bucks are behind the scenes, CEO’s of the big Corps downtown.

          Their influence is probably not illegal and it is just a fact of life…

          I do not feel that the elected officials have been strong enough to lead this…

          and that should be a shame on them for wimping out… leaving decisions to the Corp bosses who can walk from their offices to any game they choose.

      2. fred says:

        here in America, we have the right to vote for the corrupt corporate stooge of are choice.

  3. Tom says:

    Corrupt? Another baseless claim from an unknowing idiot…

    1. Karin Dreyer says:

      I don’t care where the stadium is at this point, the team belongs in MINNESOTA and no where else but here, should the VIKINGS be home to!!!

    2. Jim says:

      Assuming there is no corruption to this process with no knowledge that there isn’t is just as idiotic as assuming the opposite.

      1. Tom says:

        I hope you aren’t serious Jim. Assuming everyone invovled is corrupt should not be the default. If so, you live a very troubling life I’m sure with regards to trust.

        1. Jim says:

          I don’t see where I nor anyone else wrote that “everyone” involved is corrupt. I simply stated that assuming there is no corruption is just as silly as assuming they’re all corrupt. Anyone who disagrees with that is very naive.

          1. Realist says:

            Tom, your world frightens and confuses me…

            I only trust my family and friends and will never trust a governemnt entitiy to do what is right for the masses.

            Those who do trust the government are either in on it or to stupid to realize the games being played by elected officials.

            Sure there are a few honest Abe’s int he bunch but are there as tokens and are halted at every post hole dug.

            I agree it is nice to have these amenitites as a community, but when they stopped being part of the community and becoming a tax break and then a liability to the masses…

            I will happlily cheer them on from in front of my t.v beaming in from L.A, or whatever iditotic city council that decided it was a good idea to bring them on board.

          2. Walker says:

            Tom is very black and white in his opinions. Also has the ability to turn a speck of sand into a mountain. Rather than saying corrupt, perhaps a phrase would be more appropriate. The self serving interests of a few with some source of external inducement. Not corrupt, but a description of politics

  4. Ben says:

    The Metrodome has not brought development to the surrounding area during the last 20+ years but I’m sure Metrodome II will be a good investment for the city.

    1. Tony says:


      Maybe the commercial development has been less than ideal directly around the stadium, but nobody can argue that sports stadiums are not an asset to the state.

      1. Doug Turner says:

        “…but nobody can argue that sports stadiums are not an asset to the state.”

        Yes this is true…

        State taxes…State Glory..State Control over the people… All Hail The State!!

        1. Tony says:

          Doug, I think you misunderstood…or at least failed to click on the link (not surprising).

          From an economic perspective, when the tax revenue doubles the state’s financial cost to fund a stadium, it is pretty hard to argue against it when that tax money can be used to provide other valuable services. Whether or not that tax money is used or will be used appropriately, is obviously up for debate.

          I can respect a libertarian’s position, but don’t be an ass.

          1. Doug Turner says:

            Sorry, I am not kicking any free thinking individual out there. But the value of a sports team to a state is questionable. It suggests that such income would not be spent on alternative entertainment in the area if there was not sports team.

            And most research into the question is that it does not – no matter how much the State propagandists claim that we are sooo special 🙂

            And I am not sold on the unique value that the State brings to any product or service – that we could not farm out to the privet sector and have done better, cheaper and with a bit more customer consideration.

          2. Grover says:

            Sports teams generates revenue. Sid has the data. Then again, if people did not buy tickets and went to the local bar and spent the same money on food and drink, there would be more revenue generated. The money that is spent by the residents of this state on tickets is discretionary spending. It would be spent somewhere and thus generate tax revenue, probably at a less of a hit to the taxpayers than stadiums. When the players and owners do not live in the state, they are not spending the large pool of money they earned in this state, thus decreasing revenue. Damn lies and statistics and Sid made you believe.

  5. stace34 says:

    I want them to stay downtown and am glad to see Minneapolis stepping up with a proposal that would build the new Vikings stadium and renovate Target Center. I don’t like the added cost of builing infastructure to Ramsey County when it already exhists in Minneapolis. Plus I just love our downtown stadiums.

  6. American says:

    Tom you must have been born under a rock. No need for name calling.

    1. Tom says:

      And calling our politicians corrupt without any basis is warranted? I think you are on the wrong side of the fence.

      1. Chris says:

        Tom… we agree as that was a baseless slam if I ever heard one…

        What does she know or what kind of stake does she have in this, with a comment like that?


        1. Realist says:

          Tom andChris-

          Our politicians, the majority are corrupt and in it for gains personally and not for the people. I see it day in and day out, a deal for an opportunity.

          I am within the “system”…unspoken, very non-documented the deals are going on all the time. A bigger fool is one whom disregards that the elected officials aren’t corrupt in some way, shape orform vs they are all in it for the people of Minnesota.

          Many of the tax payer dime has paid for my exploration and advancement career-wise. I just work the system just as it works the people of Minnesota, and for my advantage only.

          It is not a whine or piss and moan scenario, I use as they abuse…fine line maybe but as they say there is fighting government so might as well screw them the way they screw me.

          chris, what color is the sky in your world?

      2. Nigel says:

        @ Tom your statement “you live a very troubling life I’m sure with regards to trust”
        based on one little statement. What fence are you behind? To judge someone’s whole life on one statement about politicians.

  7. Mister Mr says:

    wah wah wah, make the billionaire’s pay for it, blah blah blah. Obviously this isn’t going to go to a public vote, so your voice here doesn’t really matter. Suck it up sally’s!

    If any Fortune 500 in MN threatened to leave and take their millions in tax revenue with, you can darn well bet that the government is going to step in and do whatever it takes to keep them.

    1. Ven says:

      Uh, yeah. Let’s see: Billionaire vs. a state in the red. Most of the people who attend games are prob middle class, who would be the same people paying for the stadium. New stadium, increased tix prices to sit in the stadium we built. New stadium, less affordable seats so corporations – who got the tax cuts – can sponsor boxes and lux suites that have to replace regular seats to generate more rev. Increased concession prices. So, use money we don’t have, to pay for a more expensive stadium (8 games a year) so that we can pay more to go to that stadium, and spend more once we get there…all on the more money you will take from us. Yeah – I like football, but Ziggy is a theif (but hey, if we’re dumb enough to pay for it…)

      1. Sandy says:

        And evidentally a blackmailer also!

  8. jon says:

    All I know is I avoid sbhopping or getting gas in hennepin county due to the twins stadium. This will just reinforce my decision. At least I can avoid any tax increase myself fairly easily.

    1. Charlie says:

      Jon… that is interesting and that is your decision… one little protest in a sea of money and power… kind of cute and innocent. Good luck…

      1. MARK says:

        He’s not alone…

        1. Doug Turner says:

          Amen – we are not all suckers…. If they keep this up the intelligent will simply move across the river to Wisconsin 🙂

          1. IWonderIF says:

            problem is that the “intelligent” are the minority….

      2. Jason says:

        So because you see the futility in his disagreement he should then just agree? Wow, thought process of a mindless zombie. Also, many see this stadium as a big pile.

  9. Ben says:

    Couldn’t keep Ford around Mister Mr, and the Metrodome site is perfect. But put a roof on the damn thing though, so it can be used for more events than just football.

    1. Chuck says:

      Absolutely must have a roof of it… or forget it completely!

      That is the only way it will really be a state/community facility for all of us…

      We shouldn’t hear any more talk about an open field…

      As that was just a temporary ploy on the Wilf’s part… totally bogus.

      We just need to make sure that the Vikes do not end up with any ownership of the stadium, as it should be a public/community endeavor!

      1. Emily says:

        I agree, we need it to have a roof and for the community to own it – why keep it empty when the city could continue to receive income from public events? Plus, if it didn’t have a roof, how awful would it be to be a spectator in the winter! Just look at the new Target Field – I don’t want to go if it is going to be cold and rainy. That would just ruin the event for me.

        1. eastside_evil says:

          “Plus, if it didn’t have a roof, how awful would it be to be a spectator in the winter!”

          Tell me. How awful would it be?

          Do you have any pictures of the mass protests in Green Bay over having an open air stadium in the Winter?

          If you won’t go to a baseball game if it’s “cold and rainy” then I don’t think sports are geared towards you as an audience.

  10. Emily says:

    I am very happy Hennepin County is stepping up and fighting to keep the Vikings downtown where they belong. I recently bought a house in Ramsey County but have lived here most of my life. I was horrified at the thought of a Vikings stadium being built on the old ammunitions plant site. “Horrified” might be too strong a term, but that is close to how I feel. While there are many unused and empty buildings there, the rest of the land is full of acres and acres of beautiful trees, ponds/creeks, and is home to an array of wildlife. Where will all the deer, coyotes, wild turkeys and other wild animals go if their habitat is destroyed? They most likely will migrate into people’s backyards and roads where they could be killed and/or kill innocent people. There is also a wonderful regional trail right near where they want to build the stadium. If the stadium is built, the trail’s appeal will be ruined, only to be replaced with views of ugly parking lots and a building that does not fit the the current landscape. I am glad there is a better bid to keep the stadium downtown. What would they have done with the Metrodome if the Vikings moved? I think it is in the best interest of the cities to replace the Metrodome with a new stadium (with a roof like others have stated) and leave the ammunitions site free to the wildlife and as a beautiful place for the residents surrounding the area to view and enjoy.

    1. dan says:

      I dont think Ramsey County was ever a serious option. the only reason it was brought up was to get Mpls to the table. of course Mpls wants the Vikes to stay in the Dome. it doesnt cost them anything and they get to reap all the tax rewards. Once the viable option in Ramsey County came up, it just forced their hands into the negatiations. Excellent work Mr Wilf!

  11. Iconoclast says:

    There’s nothing wrong with the dome for football. The Vikes don’t deserve a cent for a shinny new stadium they will play eight games a year in. They aren’t a very good team and many of the prima donna players are terrible members of the community. They should have teamed up with the U of M on that stadium if they wanted a new house. Let them leave if they don’t like it. There’s far more important issues going on right now than what these spoiled clowns are whining about.

    1. SR says:

      I totally agree with Iconoclast’s statement. The Vikings DON’T deserve a new stadium. And Zygi can pay for it, he just DOESN’T WANT to!

    2. Ben says:

      Let’s see eight home games plus some pre-season, not to mention it may bring the Super Bowl here. Plus possibly some play off games if were lucky. If we have it with a operational roof that means we can use it for other events i.e. concerts, Twins fest, High-school sports and so on. And you can’t drink at the TCF stadium so there goes all that revenue.

      1. Ven says:

        exactly the ’emotion’ train of thought lawmakers want. Dayton and others are doing the ultimate bait and switch, when the highly-crafted alternative tax streams don’t payoff…we’ll it won’t matter if ‘we are winning’! We’ll feel great Monday morning, sporting the purple and yellow, yellin Skol vikes.

    3. Ven says:

      Agreed. It’s not the best ‘experience’ but given all of the other priorties it borders criminal to stupid for ‘finding creative’ ways to pay for a stadium. If the Vikes/Zig were stand-up guys, they would either 1) pay for the majority of costs, like 80% or 2) Say, ‘hey, we want a new stadium but we’re willing to float another 2 years in the dome. This would truly so a community partnership (as opposed to the league mandated united way spots) and the once a year ‘let’s build a house’ routine. This shows that Zigs has no love what-so-ever for this community that he just happens to visit during the season and that he is ‘carjacking’ the city/county/state. Dayton and team got punked…or better yet, those of us who will pay the 67% of the stadium got punked (and for those who say it’s only $1 to your taxes, etc – that’s with 90% of revs coming fro line items that are about 10% likely to deliver – when those line itmes don’t pay, property taxes will go up)

  12. Rob the poor, give to the rich says:

    Corrupt? Maybe, maybe not. But dirty dealing? You bet.

    The rich and powerful always get what they want – at the expense of all the little worker bees.

    We can’t find a solution to the state’s $5 billion debt but we’ll surely find a way to buy a new stadium for the rich folk. Good thing our children are tough, they don’t need three squares a day. And there’s no point in educating them, we don’t want them to get smart enough to know the politicians are screwing them.

  13. Rob the poor so the rich may play says:

    Corrupt? Maybe, maybe not. But dirty dealing? You bet.

    The rich and powerful always get what they want – at the expense of all the little worker bees.

    We can’t find a solution to the state’s $5 billion debt but we’ll surely find a way to buy a new stadium for the rich folk. Good thing our children are tough, they don’t need three squares a day. And there’s no point in educating them, we don’t want them to get smart enough to know the politicians are stealing from them.

    1. Ven says:

      Maybe they’ll play football and get rich.

  14. Realist says:

    Minnesota is not the State of 10,000 lakes but the State of 10,000 scams…for the people my arse!

    How about we start to have a incentive scale for these so-called professional sports teams we suport and build stadiums for….you win we pay, you lose you pay? Isn’t a true job paid on that basis alone, how said person performs in a given year or season = a raise?

    Move, close down, relocate, dissolve, build or whatever it may be, just stop lying and taxing the hell out fo MN!

  15. Tea Asks says:

    I may have missed it? But what will this raise the city sales tax too? 22%? They are going to tax themselves right out of the market!

    If that happens….I guess I can’t afford to be a Twin’s fan! Way to kill TWO teams!!! Let the Vike’s move to Arden Hills!!!! And maybe LOWER taxs in MPLS!!!

  16. v says:

    Has anyone seen my keys?

    1. MARK says:

      Dude, I think you’re sitting on them.

  17. yessir says:

    Leave the sticks for the hicks.

    1. I like my sub says:

      @yessir…..I’m betting you live in Arden Hills? I would say the SAME THING! The second you bring a football team into your town..GANG activity SPIKES! MPLS already has it…
      Next thing you know…..some Viking player shoots someone at the Mermaid….or get’s into a fight at the BP gas station!

      THUG GANG members…..that’s all football/basketball is!

      1. Jeremy says:

        That’s funny never saw that in ST. Paul for the Wild. I actually have attended events at Xcel and saw people leave their kids in their seats while the parents go to the concessions. You’re talking Minneapolis vs. St. Paul it’s more area and what you bring.

        1. My Sub with onions says:

          And the sad thing….I wasn’t talking about the fans! I was talking about MOST of the PLAYERS! MOST football fans are GREAT!
          Baseball/Hockey we HAVE to keep in MN! Players/Fans are both the BEST!

    2. Doug Turner says:

      really? FYI – “The Merto” is in the sticks…hundreds of miles from…anywhere…..

  18. M B says:

    “cost now expected to top $900,000,000”

    20 percent by Minneapolis= $180,000,000.
    That leaves over $720,000,000 for us to pick up. (you know darn well the Vike’s owner is going to pay as little as possible. But, let’s be generous and say they’ll pick up half of that. I know, keep the snorts and chortles down… That leaves $360,000,000 that we have to come up with.

    For Eight games a year.

    Do we in any stretch of the terms get $360,000,000 of financial benefit out of this stadium during the 20 years it will be used (you know darn well by then they’ll be whining for a new one). According to the article linked above, from 1961 to present, ALL of the MN teams have generated 471 million dollars in taxes to the state. Okay. Spread that over 50 years, and you get 9.42 million dollars a year for ALL the teams. This is a stadium for just ONE of them mind you.

    The cost to finance this stadium, spread out over 20 years for the state (if we pay half) will be 18 million a year. For ONE team. Even if we spread it out over 30 years it will be 12 million a year.

    Let’s point this out specifically: 9.42 million IN a year for ALL teams, 18 million OUT a year for ONE team. In other words, we lose 9 million a year on the venture, and that’s taking ALL the MN teams revenues into account. We’d lose Boatloads more if we just used the income from the Vikes only. Does anyone see the financial disparity here, or is it just me?

    People want to keep talking about the monetary value of the team… I fail to see it here.

    1. Jeremy says:

      What you fail to show is the trickling affect that this team and the Metrodome in general have contributed overall in the past 30 years it has been in operation and the millions of dollars that this building has generated over the past 50 years this team has been in MInnesota. I’ve worked in retail for over 10 years and the Vikings are the only sports team that I’ve seen made an impact on the state as a whole. The amount of business that a simple grocery store generates during a Vikings game is unreal. If there is a noon game on the grocery store from the morning until almost noon or 12:30 after that time the grocery store is dead literally at a stand still this is only 1 affect that football has got us as a society.

      Here’s more:

      1.) Hotels and living in that area would go down significantly because there will be absolutely no draw on going to that part of town. There will be no 70,000 person draw that a new stadium would generate the surrounding Hotels and Restaurants would be dead and go out of business guaranteed they wouldn’t survive that big of a loss.

      2.) That part of Washington has just increased the amount of loft apartments, restauarant and retail would all sit empty.

      3.) Why would someone pay $40 to go downtown to Target, Best Buy, Menards something that would possilbly have to replace the Metrodome site. They pay that kind of money to go downtown which brings me to my next point, incentive to go downtown. The fact is that there is a lack of incentive in going downtown. The reason for this is it costs alot money to even go down there, there is a cost for parking as well as traffic congestion in the area. The surrounding suburbs offer a far better, safer and more cost effective approach to spending money and Minneapolis doesn’t. This gives the Suburbs a more competitive advantage.

      4.) Without giving Minneapolis a chance to thrive and unfortunately sports teams generate the most revenue as compared to other entities giving millions of dollars in tax revenue and the thing we need as a state is to generate as much money as we can as a society and get people to work. We need to get people down to Minneapolis and get some money flowing down there and the surrounding areas and create jobs.

      5.) During the 2005 season when we did not have hockey in St. Paul, there was an influx of restaurants and shops going out of business because they relied on people coming down to see hockey games or going to their restaurants before, during or after the games. They couldn’t survive and had to go out of business. They only drew 19,000 a game and the Vikings draw 70,000. You do the math on that one.

      6.) We live in a capitalistic nation that is built on creating business and jobs which is the backbone of this country, if we do not invest in this and concentrate on funding welfare, unemployment, ect it becomes socialism. We need to give our state every chance to succeed in business and compete with other states.

      I understand as I am too a tax payer but there are ways that money can be generated from the team and the stadium as well as bringing in revenue without tapping into a general taxpayers pocket. The general rule of thumb for this or any revenue generating thing that the state needs to invest in we must take that shot otherwise it may cost us in the long run. If they leave I can guarantee you’ll see one half of Minnapolis thriving with Hotels, Restaurants, apartment living and people spending money while the other side sits empty and out of business.

      1. Twins come to St Paul says:

        But Jeremy…..How may football games were there a year downtown? 9? MAYBE 10? (Plus worthless pre-season) where as the Wild had WAY more….PLUS….Minneapolis has Target Field AND Target Center!

        St Paul has the “X”….that’s IT!

        I have an idea…let the Vikes have Target Field, and the Twins can move to St Paul down by the river (Where they SHOULD have gone in the 1st place!!!!) and build a NICE park on the Mississippi!

        1. Jeremy says:

          Yes but even with pre-season, that equals hotel stays, lodging for players whom usually rent downtown, restaurant sales, parking fees, small shops. Not to mention a place such as Dome Plus I guarantee would be out of business in 2 months if there were no sports teams on that side. The fact is there is no incentive/draw downtown to that scale. It would be like vendors losing the state fair. They can make their entire earnings with 2 weeks of the State Fair just from the draw of the people and the money they bring to that area. This is no different if we lose that it comes out of our pockets and the pool of money to the state will shrink.

          1. No TAX says:

            Good point on the St Fair….the only problem……the St Fair is a WINNER EVERY YEAR and if I’m going to spend $45 for a ticket, $35 for parking….$7.50 for a hot dog, and $7 per beer (times 3 so $21) I PROMISE you I will have a better time, eat better food, see more entertainment, and support the economy MORE spending my $100 PLUS at the fair!
            I PROMISE you the St Fair places more money into the economy than the football team does….
            I guess I am ALL for the Vikes staying here, as long as it costs ANY tax payer NOTHING!

            1. Jeremy says:

              That’s the thing what they’re proposing is taxing the people that benefit most from the stadium. The governor has vowed that none of the money will come directly from the General Fund. I understand that you may not pay $100 towards going to a game and that’s fine, but there are 70,000 other people that do and in some case pay thousands on the game. The people that benefit via the surrounding restaurants, parking, people watching them on TV which is one of the only sports to have every game on local, free television the Twins, Wild and Timberwolves cannot say that. The fact is the Metrodome is old and is not making the Vikings money and they are a business and there is competition and that competition is ready to take them. If Minneapolis loses something like that I ask what are they going to bring down there to replace it. They’ve tried with retail and Block E is a failure. We have the Twins and I can guarantee that there is more new business there than in years past and rely on the Twins to keep them going and the Vikings are no different. This is not the 50’s anymore and people do not go down to the cities like they used to. This is because the suburbs offer a better safer and more competitive alternative to going down to Minneapolis to shop and eat. If Minneapolis had that I’d tell the Vikings see-ya but there is nothing that could replace them. We need to keep up with other cities and bring jobs to this area that is why Minneapolis cannot lose the Vikings.

  19. Richard Prince says:

    They can build stadiums for every week of the season. They can build stadiums for every pro, minor league, college, and high school team if they wish. Go ahead. Just don’t ask the taxpayer to pay for these extravagances in this trying times when far more important segments of our society are suffering. Suffering that if we don’t address, will further diminish our vitality and economic future. Let the teams pay for it themselves OR make them raise the money from wealthy individuals and friends, foundations and corporate contributors just like they do in the arts and non-profit sector. These teams are monopolies and they act as if they function under a corporate socialism where government is constantly paying their investment and overhead costs while they reap the profits later.

  20. James says:

    As a taxpayer of Mpls who is already overburdened, NO!!!!! Find some other way to finance this that includes the rest of the state. RT Ryback needs to understand that I’m not made of money. We need to vote him out!

  21. NO to the Vikings, YES to the taxpayers says:

    How difficult is this to understand? If owning a stadium was a profitable venture, ol’ Ziggy would already have built dozens of them – after all, he’s a developer, right?

    So why hasn’t he built a single stadium? Because they are money pits! They eat up the HUGE profits made by owning the team.

    There is no money to be made in owning a stadium – no matter who owns it.

    Certainly it is not a wise investment for the taxpayers of MN. We already owe $5,000,000,000 for things we have purchased and not paid for. We don’t need yet another expenditure that reaps no profits.

    For those who talk about the revenue the Vikings bring the state, and the “trickle down” effect of all the millions and millions of dollars in profits …. you’re just blowing smoke out your duffel bags, you have no verifiable facts and figures to support your claims.

    1. Jeremy says:

      So our quarterback who is probably going to make upward of 50 million on the life of his first contract doesn’t have any tax benefits and that it just 1 player and an over 100 million dollar payroll that the Vikings pay to our state doesn’t benefit us in tax dollar. Hmm I wonder where that money is going to come from?

  22. Harleymanmn says:

    If we build a new stadium for the Vikings on the current dome site that is equal to the quality of the Twins ballfield, it will make it a lot more tolerable to pay taxes for some of the other state mandates that I do not agree with, but under the greater good umbrella I must pay. In most cases we do not get to pick and choose what taxes we pay but sometimes it is not about us as individuals, it is our society or the greater good. The Vikings are a part of our local culture and make this a better place to live. So disagree if you disagree but keep the personal attacks out of it. Let’s get it done and move on.

  23. Harry says:

    I have read most of the comments above and all I am asking is this. If they put the new stadium up where the old one is how lomg is that going to take and where is your Vikings going to play until the new one is done? Has anyone thought about that. If I remember right they said the Gophers stadium is not for them nor was it set up to be a place where NFL games should be held

  24. Wilf has money, MN does not says:

    Rybak’s out of his mind proposing that Minneapolis pay for 22% of a new stadium.

    Minneapolis (translation: taxpayers) is already LOSING money on the convention center and having to subsidize it’s operating deficit. Yeah, people claim that facility is “used 365 days a year” too and brings tens of thousands of people into downtown Minneapolis where they do nothing but spend their cash.

    This is from the Trib’s page this afternoon: Using special taxes now devoted mostly to financing the Minneapolis Convention Center’s building debt and operating deficit will pose opportunity costs. Such a move would make future improvements less likely at the center, and could cut into the transfer of money to the city’s general fund and other uses such as Target Center.

    We have enormous debt in this city, county and state already – we don’t need more debt added to it by paying for a Vikings stadium!

  25. randy says:

    Who can afford to go to a Viking game in the Metrodome? I can’t. Can an average family of four afford to go to a Viking game? I doubt it. If or when the new stadium gets built, It’s going to be interesting to see who can afford to go to a game….Most people cant afford gas prices right now littleown tickets, parking, and eats at a ball game.

    1. Joker says:

      Didn’t hotel, restaurant and bar tax pretty much double to 14.5% to “offset “ the cost of the “new” dome that was being built in downtown Minneapolis back in the 80’s? Hasn’t the “Dome” been solvent since it’s opening? Then riddle me this Batman. Where did all that money go?

      To all Mayors, city council members, county supervisor’s past and present regardless of party affiliation. You have done a rotten job and should be jailed for allowing this to happen. That revenue should have been saved and set aside for this day but you didn’t you squandered it like it wasn’t yours, which it was not.

      To the billionaire owners and millionaire players, PLEASE go. Move to California, take the granola eating, Birkenstock wearing progressive bunch with you.

      Let the voters decide, put it on the ballot.

      1. Jeremy says:

        Riddle me this, If I were running a hotel or bar and I knew that because of that buidling I can keep my business going with the help of that building keeping my business alive why not?

  26. mnsportsfan says:

    I have not read all the post here, but anyone else questioning if the stadium will be put where the dome is, why are they wasting the money to fix the dome roof????

  27. chuckster says:

    can’t wait for 50 more years of greatness

  28. Sandy says:

    Again, if our sports teams are making us so much damn money, why are we cutting things left and right that actually benefit our society as a whole instead? I value the Vikes but don’t feel the stadium should in any way be funded by the taxpayers or adding additional taxes downtown. This whole thing is being held over the heads of the State and we wimp out, these people look silly scrambling trying to keep a team stay, and at the cost of the people. Oh, and lets fix up the Target Center while we are at it. How many venues does one State need within a 15 mile or LESS radius. Unreal!

  29. Would you build a car dealership in an Amish community? says:

    I think Jeremy’s information on how terribly much money the Viking players make each year is a very good argument for the owners and players to belly up to the bar and purchase their own new home. Clearly they have far more money than the rest of us do.

    I’ll ask the same question as a few others on here — if stadiums are such a good deal, why hasn’t Ziggy built a bunch of them himself? Answer: He’s not stupid. But he thinks we are. And it seems we have a lot of people who want to prove Ziggy right.

    1. Jeremy says:

      He knows that we’re not stupid but the Metrodome is not able to sustain this country is competitive and business is not any different. If the Amish had to build a casino to save the farm do you think they would consider it? It may be against pricipal but in our culture you got to do what you gotta do to survive. If you knew you could get a better deal on toilet paper would you not take someone up on that offer. How are the Vikings any different they are a business and they are giving Minnesota a chance to keep them and make money. This is no different from NWA or 3M. It just happened that Atlanta paid the higher bounty and now look our precious hub that we spent millions on is gone and people that worked in Minneapolis now work in Atlanta. This will happen to people who work up and down for the Vikings. These are taxpayers that could leave or have to find new jobs and the outcome Minneapolis will become a ghost-town.

      1. You buy your own ticket, I'll buy mine. says:

        First off, the Amish would never be so stupid or so greedy to get into a position that would jeopardize the farm. Next, they are far too principled to go the casino route, they would find a more honorable and palatable solution, even if they had to work harder for it.

        And why would you argue that Ziggy’s wants are more important than a taxpayer’s needs? Ziggy wants a new stadium, paid for by someone other than himself, to further increase his already vast wealth. The taxpayer simply wants to be able to provide for his family by being able to keep a reasonable amount of what he earns and not have to donate a part of it to the Vikings.

        Finally, you ask how the Vikings are any different than another business. That’s the point, they aren’t. Other business finance their own improvements, the Vikings should indeed do the same. Remember, they’re a business.

        1. Jeremy says:

          While I agree that the Amish may not go to those lengths for survival if faced with losing a farm I must disagree with your case on businesses financing their own improvements which is completely untrue. You can bet your bottom dollar that in some form businesses got help from their host city. How do you explain a Best Buy moving from a perfectly good location in Woodbury mind you this is not that old and Woodbury is a great city to do business across 94 into Oakdale. The answer is simple: They got a better deal.

          Why should Zigi not think any different, he runs a business of course he wants the best deal!!!

          Although loyalty may have been the thing to do in the 19th or 20th century the 21st century has taught us otherwise.

          Minnesota is competing not only nationally but globally for jobs and income the reason for that budget shortfall I”m pretty sure it has a lot to do with Minnesota in general not competing for those jobs and revenue. This is probably why the House and Senate are now Republican as we need to start competing for jobs as other states have done.

          The Vikings are no different plain and simple. History has told us in the case of Houston and Baltimore which did not have a choice in the matter we as Minnesotans do. I’ll bet you cannot name me one restaurant that is happy to be next to the Twins stadium or a restaurant next to the Metrodome that isn’t scared of losing their business if the Vikings leave not to mention the countless amounts of improvements that have been done down in that area because of the amount of people that go down there.

          In closing if the Vikings leave what will that mean for that part of Minneapolis can it survive without the dome? I’m not sure I’m not a psychic. What history tells us in some instances that if the people leave the town then the town dies. Minneapolis may be no different.

          1. M B says:

            Are you seriously trying to feed me that the Vikings are able to draw in a downtown business’s year’s worth of income in 8-10 games? Really?
            I’d like to see some hard data on that.

            I don’t know about you, but I go to Minneapolis for the theaters and the museums and avoid it like the plague when there’s sports going on. So they get my money whether or not the Vikes are there. Please don’t argue that these are publicly funded, because when was the last time you got culture that inspired a great artist or scientist from a football game? It’s not in the same class.

            What I keep hearing is person after person trying to convince me to spend our money to pay for a stadium so a rich guy doesn’t have to, all for a game that is the equivalent of beating the tar out of each other. We call ourselves civilized compared to the barbaric Romans of old, yet I see no difference other than people aren’t dying or having appendages cut off. I love the justification that Zigy is a businessman and that he will try to get the best deal, as if that somehow makes it morally okay. If I was rich and hung a sword over your arm and said I’d cut it off if you didn’t pay me, you’d think I was crazy because I didn’t need the money, yet we let businessmen get away with this mentality all the time and we even blame the victim for not paying up… Seriously. Are we really that messed up?

            Now, if you possibly think we can fund an almost 1 BILLION dollar stadium without soaking the General Fund during a time when we are already 5 BILLION in the hole and we are literally teetering on the abyss, I really want to know what you’re on and if you’re sharing, because that’s some seriously good stuff. What happens if the tax revenues don’t match those generous projections they spout? Well, then we’re obligated to pay the bonds anyways and it comes from the General Fund. Oh, but the stadium’s already built so there’s no going back and we go into debt even farther on the taxpayer’s dime. What was originally touted as a “no taxpayer stadium” turns into the proverbial boat anchor around our necks.

            Basically, as you said, some businesses will go out of business. But, also as you said, that’s the nature of business. We just don’t have the money, and soaking the residents of Hennepin county for more sales and whatever taxes just makes people LESS likely to shop down there. I have friends in Champlin that will go one mile north just on principle so they don’t have to pay the additional tax.

            If the rich people want to go to a game so bad, maybe they should pay for the stadium. A good portion of the rest of us can’t afford it.

  30. Our politicians want a tobacco shop in the hospital lobby.. says:

    Nope, I wouldn’t build a car dealership in an Amish community. But it would appear our politicians are anxious to build a tobacco shop at the cancer clinic. Makes about as much sense as a debt ridden state buying a new stadium for wealthy owners and players.

  31. GARZ says:

    I want the new stadium and am willing to help pay for the states portion, then the state owns that portion of the revenue generated, the city of Minneapolis gets its 22% and Ziggy gets his 25 % of the profits

  32. Jason says:

    I think the citizens of Minneapolis should be the ones to vote on how the tax money is spent, I hate FOOTBALL and think the Vikings are welcome to leave at anytime and they can take their debt with them. If we need spend that kind of money on a stadium then we are all a bunch of wasteful people. How sad!

  33. Paul Beckmann says:

    OK. Just watched 10pm coverage of the story. So, what is “informative” about interviewing Minneapolis residents that want the stadium to stay there? How about interviewing (and airing) a broader spectrum of fans?? Minneapolis had its chance. Tailgating has historically been a huge part of the fall Vikings experience. It will never happen in any downtown MPLS venue.

  34. ddddd says:

    Are you kidding me…. the vikes are crying about paying 45%???? maybe these crying little girls need to pay 100% of the cost or lower ticket prices…Vikings players are over paid criminals….. They steal our money for a job they can’t get done…. Win a superbowl or two then the citizens of minnesota will consider paying a portion for the stadium…REMEMBER it’s NOT the city on minneapolis and NOT the county of ramsey paying… It’s US the citizens of Minnesota paying….. We are losing our jobs, homes can barley feed our children… AND they want US to pay for a stadium they DON’T need???

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