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NEW YORK (AP) – Same-sex marriage might seem like a straightforward issue: You’re for it or against it. Yet for the field of Republican presidential hopefuls, it’s proving to be an awkward topic as public attitudes change and more states legalize gay unions, the latest being New York.

Numerous recent polls suggest a slim majority of Americans now back gay marriage. Support is highest among Democrats, but is growing across the political spectrum even while religious conservatives — a key part of the GOP primary electorate — remain largely opposed.

The result, according to political analysts from both major parties, is a dilemma for the leading GOP candidates, most of whom oppose same-sex marriage but tend to avoid raising the topic unless asked.

“They see the polling — more and more Republicans are supporting gay marriage,” said David Welch, a former research director for the Republican National Committee. “It puts them in an awkward position with the younger members of the party and also with independents whose votes you need to win.”

Richard Socarides, a former Clinton White House adviser on gay rights, said the political climate has changed rapidly and dramatically as leading Democrats celebrate the advent of gay marriage in New York and the imminent end of the ban on gays serving openly in the military under President Barack Obama.

“It’s now advantageous for Democrats to support gay rights, and a net negative for Republicans to oppose them,” Socarides said. “It’s become extremely complicated for many of the Republican candidates who are used to using anti-gay rhetoric as a way to gin up their base.”

Obama, though still not ready to endorse gay marriage, says he’s “evolving” on the issue and is supporting a bill that would extend federal recognition to same-sex couples who marry in the six states that allow it.

New Hampshire is among those six states and also home to the first Republican primary next winter. According to conservative activists in the state, none of the major GOP presidential candidates has yet taken a public position on the ongoing effort by some Republican legislators to repeal the 2009 state law legalizing same-sex marriage.

Andy Smith, director of the University of New Hampshire Survey Center, predicted that most of the GOP contenders would continue trying to dodge the issue because of lukewarm public support for repeal.

However, David Bates, one of the lawmakers pushing for the repeal, says he and his colleagues intend to put some heat on the GOP contenders by scheduling debate on the repeal bill in the weeks leading up to the primary.

“We will be seeing to it that each candidate addresses it,” Bates said. “They will not be able to duck it.”

In Iowa, where social conservatives are likely to play a key role in the GOP caucus next winter, two candidates — Rep. Michele Bachmann of Minnesota and former Sen. Rick Santorum of Pennsylvania — both signed a pledge denouncing same-sex marriage rights. Former governors Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty were among those refusing to sign the pledge, but both issued statements stressing that they favored limiting marriage to one-man, one-woman unions.

Among the other major GOP candidates, former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman stands out as supporting civil unions, which would extend marriage-like rights to same-sex couples. Rep. Ron Paul of Texas, a favorite of many libertarians, says he supports the right of states to legalize same-sex marriage but opposes any effort to require recognition of those unions on a national level.

Both Bachmann and Texas Gov. Rick Perry — a possible contender — have said they respect the rights of individual states to legalize same-sex marriage, yet both also say they would support an amendment to the U.S. Constitution that would define marriage nationally as limited to heterosexual couples.

For Perry in particular, that stance involved some scrambling after he won applause at a Republican conference in Colorado on July 22 for his remarks about New York’s same-sex marriage law.

“That’s New York, and that’s their business, and that’s fine with me,” said Perry, who was highlighting his support for states’ rights.

Some leading social conservatives were dismayed by such comments from Perry, who they have strongly supported over the years. Eager to soothe the concerns, Perry did a broadcast interview Thursday with Tony Perkins of the conservative Family Research Council to clarify his Colorado remarks and make clear he still supported the federal marriage amendment.

“I probably needed to add a few words after that `It’s fine with me,”‘ Perry said. “Obviously gay marriage is not fine with me. My stance hasn’t changed. I believe marriage is a union between one man and one woman.”

Bachmann built her political career in Minnesota on staunch advocacy of socially conservative positions, including opposition to abortion and gay marriage. In recent days, however, she has balked at answering questions about various gay-related topics, including reports that her husband’s Christian counseling clinic has tried to convert gay patients away from homosexuality.

Chuck Donovan, a senior research fellow with the conservative Heritage Foundation, predicted that GOP candidates would face mounting pressure from left and right to be specific about the gay marriage issue, and not just fall back on endorsement of a federal constitutional ban that has no chance of passage any time soon, if ever.

On the other hand, Donovan said he understood why GOP candidates might soft-pedal their opposition to same-sex unions.

“Most of them sense they’re not going to get the warmest media treatment if they come out and take a stance on the marriage issue,” he said.

Jan van Lohuizen, who has done polling for George W. Bush and other Republicans, said most of the GOP contenders are faced with a common dilemma — if they trumpet their opposition to same-sex marriage to win conservative votes in GOP primaries, do they risk losing moderate votes in a general election?

His advice to GOP candidates on the marriage debate: “I would simply ignore it. The fiscal issues are so much more decisive than the social issues. Why go out on a limb with this one?”

The tea party movement, though its ranks include many social conservatives, has generally not sought to make same-sex marriage a dominant issue at this stage of the 2012 campaign.

“Because all the economic issues are going to explode, nobody except extreme hard-core advocates on each side will be talking it,” said Judson Phillips, founder of the Tea Party Nation.

GOP candidates might be better off under this scenario, according to Phillips, who depicted same-sex marriage as “a hugely awkward issue for them.”

Sal Russo, a strategist for the Tea Party Express, said the movement’s followers are primarily concerned about the size and cost of government and have diverse views about social issues.

“We have libertarians who support same-sex marriage, and Christian activists who adamantly oppose it,” he said.

(© Copyright 2011 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)

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  • Fast Freddie

    Ron Paul is the best candidate the Republicans got. He’s the only one in recent polling that can beat Obama straight-up anyway

  • American made

    This is how the media operates. Try’s to make it out that a lot of republicans are for gay marriage. Who told them that and what polling did they use. Un-believable. “They see the polling — more and more Republicans are supporting gay marriage,” said David Welch, a former research director. Notice Former in his name. So what he say’s is credible.

    • Outdoorsman

      “Say’s” is not a word in the English language and neither is “try’s.”

    • kilgore

      In the absence of credible reasons to oppose gay marriage, come up with conspiracy theories.

  • Keith

    Your bigotry has no place in evolving society, folks. More and more are coming to realize that being gay is not the abomination you try to make it out to be, and they’re just people, like everyone else. Keep your make-believe fairy tales out of legislation!

    • Mike

      AGREE WITH KEITH 100% !!! Just as the gay community doesn’t impose it’s sexual practices onto other heterosexuals, please think twice before trying to impose your religious brainwashing onto other people. Can we please coexist with some basic respects for a more peaceful society? Religious laws to live by are your own personal choices… not everyone else’s. The spooky gays arne’t hurting anyone. They pay taxes and make substational contributions to making a better nation… they just want to the civil and legal rights to care for one another and live a happy and peaceful life.

  • Lucy

    But we don’t care about God when it comes to makes laws… otherwise, well i guess we can go back and stone people, and eating pork is a sin, according to some religions… so COME ON, wake up to 2011… it is not 1930′s anymore… if you have your beliefs, keep them, practice them and be happy… don’t try to force them into me…

    • Tom

      @ Lucy

      Society changes and most of us adapt to those changes very well and you those who refuse to adapt to any change what so ever. So instead of adpating to change they want to hold the rest of us back. I also think that those who oppose gay marriage are VERY INSECURE. But you know what the difference between gay people and social conservatives is that gay people don’t try to control what social conservatives do in their everyday lives but social conservatives believe they have a right to control what gay people do in their everyday lives. Social conservatives seem to think they should dictate who walks down the aisle. Well do gay people try to dictate to social conservatives who they walk down the aisle with? No they don’t. Do you see gay people trying to stop social conservatives from seeing sick loved ones in the hospital? No they dont. Do you see social conservatives trying to stop a gay person from seeing their loved in the hospital? Yes u do. But Lucy you know it is very hard to make a rational argument with a bunch of NUT JOBS!

      • Mike

        Tom … YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD !!! BAM!!! very insightful and totally true. Fantastic post. Fully Agreed.

  • One Vote

    Whether you are for gay marriage or against, one thing I cannot figure out is how we can justify the use of the constitutions of various states to oppress a minority. I don’t see it as any different than the ban of bi-racial marriages in the past…or when women weren’t able to vote. Opinions are what they are, but leave people alone and allow them to do what makes them happy. They are not hurting anyone. I hope that the people of MN realize this at the polls, but I have a feeling that many people who simply don’t care one way or another will not even mark their ballots. And there are probably more dark agers out there who will vote to oppose than there are gay marriage supporters. I hope I’m wrong but I see MN banning gay marriage for now.

  • Reverend Phelps

    Gays shall not inherit the Kingdom of God, and if you support their lifestyle choice, you shall neither inherit the Treasure of His Gifts.

    • jeff

      is that all you got? can you give me one good arguement outside of the bible why gays shouldn’t be allowed marriage? remember i said “GOOD” arguement.

      • Reverend Phelps

        This country was founded on the bible, and the world has better balance with more Christianity and more good souls following His Holy Word which clearly states a man with a man is an abominable snoman.

        • Lucy

          @ Reverend Phelps….. Again… anything more than religion arguments… It is my life, I own my life, and I do whatever I please with it… so you can have your Beliefs, practice them, and be happy… don’t try to push them into me

        • Me

          So Reverend Phelps, do you not recognize those who had civil ceremonies because they were wed outside of a church?

        • Just sayin

          Phelps, if it is the real phelps, your god is nothing. He or SHE doesn’t even exist.

          My God, loves everyone.

        • Keith

          This country was not founded on the Bible. You and your ilk need to stop trying to revise history. There’s countless proof against your statement, of which the Treaty of Tripoli is just one, wherein it states:

          Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen,—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

          Since this treaty was written and passed with a unanimous vote, and was printed without recourse by the constituency, it renders the continual attempt to rewrite history to fit your religious bigotry MOOT.

        • markH

          Christianity takes otherwise happy and moral people, convinces them they are dirty, sinful, damaged, and in need of salvation (from unseen beings) and then miraculously sells them the cure! If a religion taught that we are all born as happy creatures that have the capacity for goodness without some “divine” guidance, then I wouldn’t have a problem. But religion is incapable of allowing people (and impressionable young children) from being happy without selling them a basket of guilt and self-abjection. I say stand up and think for yourself and stop relying on ancient books and creeds to tell you how to treat your fellow man. Peace.

          • Mike

            @markH

            BRILLIANT!!! clearly you do some critical thinking and aren’t allowing others to brainwash you into myths, legends and fairytales that science has proven many times over to be false. I say we all can form a spiritual connection and compassionate belief system together if we choose. I say drop the dogma and live the simple truths of kindness and respect that living masters once taught for us… Souls having a Human Experience while learning to coexist with our differences, peacefully.

      • Patrick PatPat Lilja

        Jeff: While they’re at it, can they drop the moronic “Adam and Steve” bit? It’s a really lame and boring excuse.

    • jan

      I’m not gay myself but reverend, you are full of #$%^^. Don’t pretend you know more about God than the rest of us. What about loving your neighbor as yourself. You pompous holier than thou freaks are soooo misguided.

  • jeff

    will one of you conservatives please address this: it seems to me that this whole gay marriage thing is about our private parts. man and woman. if that’s true then if i have a sex change i can marry my partner? address this: in half of the united states you can marry your first cousin. what do you think about that? additionally what do you think about hermaphrodites? are they the only people that this law does not apply to? are they the ones who could marry either sex and it would be legal? because if i’m not mistaken in order for a law to be constitutional it must be applied to all citizens equally. all that means to me is that marriage between heterosexuals only is unconstitutional.

    • Mike

      Jeff… you are seriously brilliant! WOW … a logical voice of reason. BRAVO!!!

  • Mike

    Totally agree with Lucy. Plus, if you actually are brainwashed into thinking that is exactly the fairytale of the beginning of our human race, then you will need to also realize that one of the sons murdered the other then all the incest had to begine with the family in order to procreate the race. SICK and WRONG. C’mon people WAKE UP from the myths, legends and fairytales and starting living in reality. It’s OK to drop your religious delusions.

    • Outdoorsman

      I still can’t figure out why anybody who isn’t gay thinks they should get a voice in this debate.

      If you’re not gay, why would gay marriage affect you?

      If you had 2 neighbor guys living together 5 houses down, and in their dresser drawer there was a piece of paper saying they were married – How would you even know?

      • In The Middle

        Some of us have a gay child and a straight child. I want both of my kids to have the same rights, That’s why.

        • Outdoorsman

          I think you misunderstood my comment, and perhaps you should read it one more time to figure out what I was saying.

          I think both your kids should have the same rights. I thought that was clear in my comment, and I apologize if my lack of writing skills betrayed my thoughts.

    • markH

      Great point! Apparently our incestuous origins aren’t a problem for fundamentalists though. Peace.

  • Me

    I don’t like gay marriage but that’s my problem. I have to learn to be more open minded. To me, marriage is for the ultimate purpose of pro-creation but that still isn’t an absolute as some couples experience infertility. Does that invalidate their marriage? Of course not. I’m also part of a bi-cultural marriage. I’m of Irish descent and he’s Hispanic. At one time — who am I kidding, even today in 2011, we still have problems with idiots. I can’t tell you the number of times I have to explain Hispanic does not mean foreign born. So, after much thought, I’ve realized allowing people to marry their partner is the just thing to do. I’ve yet to hear a logical argument as to how allowing two consenting adults of the same sex to wed undermines marriage. If anything, more marriges strengthens the institution.

    • Mike

      @Me

      Very healthy outlook. Sounds like you have a grasp on healthy boundaries and also a healthy accpetance of diversity. As long as the two humans, the two souls are peacefuly sharing their lives together in love. Who needs to be concerned with what they do or don’t do with their genitals behind closed doors. It’s just a non-issue for those who are secure in their own faith and sexuality. Love your comment… very insightful.

      • Keith

        @Me and @Mike – you both put it very well, and show what happens when people come together and think of people as people versus putting some people ahead of others as human being. I applaud you both.

        • Mike

          Thanks Keith. Peaceful COEXISTANCE is happening and we can strengthen this way of life by having some healthy boundaries and compassion for one another. More and more people are waking up and raising their consciousness to see the light of truth from those who rant with fear-based rhetoric or those who seek a better, more harmonious society. An evolved leader will be aware of the fact we as a nation are a diverse collection of humans. One group shouldn’t be allowed to use control factors to oppress the other.

  • just sayin

    I don’t even know why people care at all. Woopty do. Someone is gay, let them get married. How does it make anything different for those that oppose?

    Personally I could really care less about the marriage. My partner and I are republicans, and we don’t even plan on marriage. We’ve been together for 9 years. It wouldn’t change anything we aren’t already doing.

  • concerned

    I think peoples sexual preference and who they decide to marry and love is not to be decided by anyone but the two themselves. I wish our government would put more of their energy into taking care of wife beaters,child molestors and parents who beat their kids to death and then get them back. There are tons of sick people in this world lets not worry about who is doing who? Its none of our business. I would rather live next to a gay couple then a chid molestor,or rapist.

    • Mike

      @ concerned

      AMAZING!!! someone who does some basic critical thinking mixed in with a wonderful grasp on healthy priorities. BRAVO

      Excellent statement. Very wise of you.

  • MIke

    The state of NY is now projecting a massive economy boost to the state in the projected revenu of over 300 Million in the next three years by legalizing the same gender civil unions/weddings. When people/politicians see dollar signs, they stop and take notice. Fact is, weddings help the economy and create or sustain jobs. It’s simply not in fashion anymore to be a discriminatory bigot trying to suppress a loving, caring, kind and peaceful group of peaople. An intelligent and evolved person can clearly see this beyond indoctrinated religious belief systems trying to force other people to conform.

  • Pat

    Gay people can pretend to get married right now. No one really cares.

    What they want is government recognition of their domestic fantasy. That way they can get spousal benefits.

    It’s all about money. They want other people’s money.

    • Mike

      WOW … a peaceful group who are also tax payers trying to be have the same civil rights/legal benefits and not be treated like second class citizens. OH THE HUMANITY!!!

      Pat, your lack of intelligence on the issue is shared by many. It’s more than just money. There are over a hundred legal benefits that same gender couples can have and some are so they can make medical life choices to help each other in times of crisis.

    • Outdoorsman

      If you don’t care, then keep your opinion to yourself unless it’s to try and help grant all Americans equal rights.

    • Keith

      If that were all it’s about, and that’s your concern, then you should have no problem legislating to remove all such benefits from heterosexual marriage, correct?

  • curly_racks

    kEEP your government hands off my medicare

  • hillbilly

    yall suk

  • Patrick PatPat Lilja

    Yawn. How about some fresh excuses?

    • Patrick PatPat Lilja

      (Directed at Curt)

  • kilgore

    Really used your brain on that one, eh?

  • kilgore

    In the absence of credible reasons to oppose gay marriage, mindlessly quote a bible passage out of context.

    • Joe

      A credible reason is that gay rights leadership is going after what is taught in schools. Gay marriage is just a stepping stone. Leave my kids alone. Parents have a natural right to raise their children with their own values and sense of right and wrong. Those children, when they become adults can decide for themselves. Stop the PC police. We don’t all think the same things.

      • Outdoorsman

        Leave your kids alone? Who is doing anything to your kids? Being gay is not a crime, and it is not “wrong” or immoral that you need to shield them from gays. It sounds like what your kids really need is for YOU to leave them alone.

      • meow

        @ Joe

        There is nothing to fear. There have been and are now in our current society, people who have made amazing and wonderful contributions or helped to pave the way to a better life for many. I honestly doubt that the “juicy details” of their sex life will be taught in schools. I think what will happen is an open awareness that those people were gay as an after-thought. Again, nothing to fear. Your children or other kids won’t be swayed from their born instincts of attraction based on learning a smidge of who gay historical figures were.

        • The Architect

          Well done, meow! :)

      • jeff

        i’m gonna sound like such a communist when i say this but it’s people like you who i don’t want raising children. you teach them fear and hatred. by the time they become adults and able to make their own decision it’s too late because you have made those decisions for them already. if your going to do your child any justice whatsoever then let them start making their own decisions what to believe. why are parents so freakin arrogant and self serving that they would want to make a copy of themselves. let me give you a hint, your not that great. there is a difference between teaching your child to look both ways and teaching them prejudice. so don’t get it twisted. and if you think i’m bringing your ability to parent into question………well …..you’d be right!

  • Jim

    LOL, that is so creative, did you just think of that? I wonder if people will start using that clever line?

  • BeenThereDoneThat

    I don’t see marriage in the “Bill of Rights” I guess because you say it is.. it is a “right” Gay people can love and live with who ever they want. And they should have equal partnership rights along those of heterosexual couples, but let’s not change a 2000 plus tradition because somone feels left out.

    • Outdoorsman

      Slavery has existed for well over 2000 years. Let’s not change a 2000 plus year tradition because the slaves start to whine about it being unfair…

    • Mike

      @ BeenThereDoneThat

      I think we as a culture, a society, as a human race are WELL beyond the dark ages with what we have now compared to primitive man. I speak of pscychology, technology, science and medical advancements that weren’t even dreamed of when people were more so just trying to raise crops and survive to the ripe old age of 40.

      You speak of ‘tradition’ so if that is how you choose to live your life, then so be it. You have that freedom for yourself. Some traditions are meant to be changed or slightly altered to accomodate society’s needs or views. It’s simply new levels of liberty. There is nothing to fear.

    • jeff

      show me your proof that marriage hasn’t changed in 2000 years! i’d like to see proof that women always had the same rights as a husband. i’d also like to see where it says the misegenism laws of the 60′s never existed. i’d like to see where it says that marriages were never about business agreements. are you serious. marriage has changed so tremendously over the centuries that if you looked back at a marriage of 250 years ago it wouldn’t resemble anything of what we hold true about marriages today. there is no such thing as tradition when it comes to marriage. look how congressman quoted the bible and talked about gods views against the mixing of races. either you change with the times or you get left behind just like the amish (or however it’s spelled)

  • Tom L

    OK…great, where does it say a “female.?” And that a women has to be the wife and vice versa?

  • Tom L

    he also created us with free will and a mind of our own…”in his image”…so the story goes…..

  • THEY ARE HYPOCRITES

    The best word to describe the republican opposition to gay marriage is: HYPOCRITICAL. Look it up, never mind i’ll do it for you
    1.a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs. (REMIND YOU OF ANYONE?)
    2.
    a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
    “LET HE WHO IS WITHOUT SIN, CAST THE FIRST STONE”

    http://www.keyway.ca/htm2004/20040811.htm

  • James2

    Actually Kurt, Eve is just Steve with gender reassignment.

    • meow

      LMAO … James love your comment. I might have to use it sometime.

  • markH

    Leave it to the GOP to go looking for non issue rabble instead of focusing on what Americans truly need; jobs, jobs jobs! These shmucks spend their time (and our money) creating new and complex laws that cost us all more of our hard-earned money. What the fed and states have is a SPENDING problem, not revenue problem. Besides, f memory serves me correctly the GOP candidates in the last debate also thought evolutionary theory was an “awkward” issue-so much in fact that only two candidates said the “believed” in it. Not that science cares if you believe or not, it simply is. Peace.

    • Mike

      MarkH… BRAVO!!! Agreed 100%

      I think for the most part, it’s the fundamentalist conservative extremist who’ve given the more sane Republicans a bad name. It’s almost like ‘Republican’ is a dirty word these days. We do need the balance though of both parties, IMO on some issues. Mark, you are very insightful.

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