By Holly Wagner, WCCO-TV

MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — Four people were shot just after closing time for bars and nightclubs in downtown Minneapolis, Minneapolis Police said.

Officers believe the shootings happened within a few minutes of each other just after 2 a.m. Monday, when bars in the area began to let out.

Police were patrolling the Warehouse District when they heard gunshots and saw people running. Police say the shootings were the result of two separate arguments.

The shootings occurred near First Avenue and Fourth Street. A 21-year-old is in critical condition after being shot in the head and a 19-year-old was shot in the torso. A 23-year-old man was also shot in a nearby parking lot.

Police say the shootings do not appear to be random.

Officers blocked off the streets to conduct an investigation early Monday morning. They are not sure at this point whether the shootings are related.

There are surveillance cameras in the area. Police will look at the video to see just what happened and who may be responsible.

Comments (73)
  1. duh says:

    close it down then

    1. Jrjr Reyes says:

      for sure it’s always been a problem that way duh

  2. wiseone says:

    then the gangsters would just go somewhere else, DUH
    now they know just where the bad guys are…

  3. Darren says:

    I bet it was those Darn Norwegian Bands again. All that music that they play that makes everyone so mad that they have too shoot each other. Its a disgrace. Kick those Norwegians out of Minnesota, they dont’ belong here.

    Feel the sarcasm?

    1. Ruby says:

      So according to your sarcasm we should kick non-white people out of Minnesota because they don’t belong? Your comment is racist.

      1. tami says:

        Okay Debbie Downer (Ruby). He was trying to make a joke and now you are calling him racist…people have no sense of humor anymore.

        1. Jamil says:

          Tami is spot on! Also, based on Ruby’s highly intelligent comment, it would not surprise me if Ruby fails to understand that Norwegians are traditionally classified as “white” people…

      2. WCCO is Racist! says:

        The paper is racist because they don’t disclose the race of the offender.

        1. Tired says:

          And the race is important why….it does not matter…no body deserves to be shot…no matter what the rase is…PLEASE GROW UP…

  4. Unfortunately says:

    Wish they could close it down, unfortunately, Karma hasn’t violated any licensing laws yet. Pretty much the only way to shut them down is if they violate licensing laws.

    1. Jay says:

      For as much violence the Mpls area experiences, it surprises me that taverns cant be shutdown. Various cities in WI do close bars down if the cops are called too many times due to problems with patrons,serving the underage, and numerous fights inside/outside. I would think if particular bars are known to be trouble spots they should be looked at further and decisions made according to the number of incidents.

    2. NNyl says:

      If there is a lot of crime at the location or a lot of public intoxication or too many police calls, the liquor license can be pulled. The place will be considered as a public nuisance.

  5. input fromme says:

    4 are shot. You can assume many more were shooting. What is the matter with this place and the local leaders that have some influence on these patrons. Simple statistics would tell you you have a problem a long time ago and yet they still do nothing about these places and the patrons. Time for reelection.

  6. Sam Adams says:

    Darren – I heard it was the Scandahoovians that got upset over the Norwegian Bands and just couldn’t take it anymore.

  7. shotta says:

    They need to quit looking at video’s and listening to rap if they are easy influence !!! grow up , dont go to the club if you cant act like adult !!! which I suppose you claim you are !! the sad part about it , you fools are killing your own people !! OVER A GIRL , a look , a gang !!!! how about this , go fight over why you havent finished school , why you haven’t killed for that degree !!!! IF you want to make a difference go help your people over north !!!!! go to city hall and fight for equal rights, for fare housing ect. WAKE UP ,Aren’t you tired of going to jail or seeing your people die ? or is death the new 30? ” Wake up please ” !!!!

    1. citizen says:

      I agree with you completely shotta, Unfortunately some people do not realize they bring pain/drama to their own lives. These people feel like their life s just hard and they are always on a down and out but like you said WAKE UP!!!! your doing this to yourself!

    2. Doug T says:

      ” go to city hall and fight for equal rights, for fare housing ect….”

      Uh… I think everyone already has these rights and housing seems to have been too fair – excessively so shall we say…

      But how about – get a job, go to work everyday (all day) and enjoy the babies you made with all that love…Take responsibility for your actions and join the rest of the successful society..

      But you do have spot on with several of your points. I really like the .. Grow UP! – Amen.

    3. tami says:

      What do you mean by your people? We are all humans that live on earth; we are no different than anyone else.

      1. me says:

        Nope, according to Eric H. Holder, he’s been hard working for, “His people.” So no, I wish it were that way, but when the Attorney General of the United States makes comments like that, you can’t help but wonder.

  8. Vog Vee says:

    Warehouse district is not the place to be hanging around.

  9. shotta says:

    Down and out is a state of mind , We all have hard times !!! Insecurity is a self destructive mind set !!! It makes one do and act foolishly , they need to respect self !!!!!! And then they will be able to respect other’s we hope !!!!! I f not they will continue to destroy each other !!!!! THUGGING NOT EASY , YOU THINK ?????

  10. jeff says:

    people like this absolutely need to be treated as terrorists. they need to be water boarded down in gitmo for a few years. this is just unbelievable. it’s almost like a game to some people until they are caught and realize they just snuffed out the life of a real human being.

    i have a theory and it goes like this: some peoples lives are so unmanageable that (humans crave routine) some people cannot and are totally incapable of running their own lives. so where do these people end up? prison! why? because they will have a routine. they will have three hots and a cot. the insanity is over and it is probably a great relief. then they find jesus or some other god until they are let out…….then it’s back to the insanity and consequently back to prison.

    1. SHOTTA says:

      I agree with your second paragraph . But the first one is totaly insane !!! And im sure your not !!!!

      1. jeff says:

        i am serious about the whole paragraph except for the waterboarding and gitmo. people like this terrorize the city and so should be treated as such. for me that would mean much longer sentences.

        1. Colleen says:

          I agree with you Jeff, they do terrorize our city and should be treated as such. The city council wonders why businesses leave or why businesses don’t want to open up in downtown.

          I personally don’t visit after 8pm because of all the bs that goes around there.

      2. Good Ol Boy says:

        I actually think it’s not too bad of a plan. Maybe violent offenders like those who are spraying gunfire around after bar close should be sent to a REAL prison with REAL terrorists. Water and stale bread. None of their homies to hang with.

    2. citizen says:

      u r right with the humans crave routine. I teach kindergarten and when I was in college the professors always put emphasis on routines in the classroom.

  11. Helena girl says:

    Really makes me want to vacation in this city

    1. Brian says:

      Every city has these problems. Minneapolis has them less than others, so when it does happen, it makes the news.

    2. MPLS_Guy says:

      Minneapolis had fewer murders in an entire year in 2009 (19) than Chicago, New York, or LA have in a bad month. The city is still safe. Drunken idiots with guns who get into fights outside of nightclubs nonwithstanding. The amount of violent crime per capita in Minneapolis is still very low, making our city one of the safest.

      1. Kayla says:

        Minneapolis also doesn’t have the population that Chicago, New York, or LA have either.

        Crime is clearly on the rise in Minneapolis; it would be wise to not use a “us v.s. them” attitude towards crime rates.

        Notice also that Karma has picked up a lot of violent fights and such ever since Gabby’s closed over on the Northside.

        1. crime down says:

          Seems to me crime is reducing. That’s what Minneapolis tells us.

        2. Nothside Rick says:

          Not too long ago we were competing with those bigger cities. Being referred to as “murderapolis” in national news. Minneapolis violent crime rates are falling. And Gabby’s was northeast in a nice peaceful area. The wrong people were gathering in the wrong place.

        3. hoover says:

          Gabby’s is not on the Northside – it’s Northeast, on the other side of the river..

  12. JB says:

    I sure hope we get the DNC for 2012. Maybe the 2013 polka convention, and of course if we get a new stadium, the NFL will be crawling all over themselves to come here in January again to get shot at. This just makes me so proud of what we as a state are becoming. I beem with pride everytime I travel and people ask me where I am from.

  13. Al says:

    Yep let’s put the Vikings Stadium downtown – I mean this is such a safe place. R.T. will never clean it up – just wants to talk about what a great place Mpls is. I won’t go to a Twins game anymore and you should just let the Vikings leave! The only folks it will hurt will be the super big ego’s of the attorneys, corporations and the political hacks. The players could care less about the fans anymore.

    1. @al says:

      Twins don’t need you anyway, the area around Target Field is safe to me, Minneapolis is the states largest city what do you people expect 0 shootings everyyear its 2011, there will always be shootings, this occured at a sleazy club that if you hang out at safety is not your main concern. Build a stadium for the vikes, my finances aren’t so tight that nickels and dimes here and there will crush me, Wow you consider local bars and restaraunts as corporations? Losing the vikings will also hurt them, not that you have any clue about anything

    2. MPLS_Guy says:

      I can tell you have not been in the city for a while and base your ignorant attitude on non-reality. I have lived in Minneapolis since 1995, and it is safer now than it has ever been. I mean ,there were only 19 murders total in all of 2009, and very few are random or accidental. If you are not involved with gangs or drug dealing, your odds of getting murdered in Minneapolis is practically zero. Do some research before you go spouting off. There have not been any murders near the Metrodome or Twins ballpark – you are spouting pure rubbish about them not being safe. Statistically, Minneapolis is one of the safest cities in the country. Get real. Go back to your suburbs and harbor your rascist based stereotypes of “the city”. We know the truth and just think it is amusing to watch all of you people who are taught to be afrais of everything that isn’t just like you. Go watch some more Fox news reports to be find out what to be scared of next.

      1. Tara says:

        Mpls Guy, thank you for your Minneapolis boosterism, its a great city for bicycles, etc. However, you need to look at crime data from the FBI to realize that per capita, Minneapolis has a violent crime problem – that’s the first part of making the city even more liveable and sustainable.

        The violent crime rate in Minneapolis is 0.0105 and that of New York City is 0.0058, nearly twice as violent as New York. New York City has more than 8 million people, so obviously they have more murders total per year, they have 21 times the total population that the Minneapolis Police Department has to contend with. Per capita, Minneapolis is the bigger risk. Secrets keep us sick, and the fact that Minneapolis has lax drug enforcement and no narcotics unit is an invitation to violent narco-terrorists from Mexico or other US cities where they would have more trouble with the law.

        If this was policed like New York (same murder rate) , last year we would have had only 24.8 murders versus 37.

  14. Tiredofignorance says:

    I guess its easier for one to judge, than to do something about it. Easy to sit at home type on the net and judge. Last I checked, people hurt people no matter the race. A guy runs over the wrong person, and this was done to a college student. Wake up, the human race hurts one another no matter what city, state or country one lives in. However, someone is looking down on us all and tired of how there is no love for ones neighbor. Thus creating disaster here, disaster there that’s killing us a lot faster and not discriminating on who it effects. Wake up, we all have to die one way or another. Let’s love each other and stop judging because the measure we use to judge is the same way we will be judged!

    1. Good Ol Boy says:

      “However, someone is looking down on us all and tired of how there is no love for ones neighbor. Thus creating disaster here, disaster there that’s killing us a lot faster and not discriminating on who it effects.”

      Uhhhh, you’re suggesting that a god in the clouds is looking down at the human race and is mad at us, so he’s sending tornadoes and earthquakes? Are you being serious? What?

  15. factdealer says:

    You want me to stop judging a criminal who shoots people? Thanks but these aren’t human beings, so therefore they are not my equal.

    1. seriously says:

      Are you kidding me?!?! There is only one race; the Human race! If they are not your equal that must mean your an alien or something. May if people would have shown them love as they were growing up instead of judging them for whatever reason they wouldn’t be making these poor decisions. Grow up and stop judging people. You are NOT God, that is his job!

      1. Good Ol Boy says:

        I disagree. I will judge murderers, and if I’m on the jury, I’ll make sure they hang. There is no god to judge me. Stop being afraid of the dark.

  16. Tiredofignorance says:

    We all bleed the same…Let the one without sin cast the first stone…. I bet it won’t be a lot of people who would be so quick to cast jugdement on the next!

  17. Tiredofignorance says:

    We all have a judge, hopefully when you see Him it will be later than sooner. As far as porch monkeys I hope you won’t need one to save your life one day. I guess the world is a better place with you here?

    1. Good Ol Boy says:

      I’m without sin, and will not be judged by some d-bag like you claim. Don’t be afraid of the dark, people. No pun intended.

  18. Joe Walsh says:

    Karma, again! I manage the parking lot across street. Once AGAIN on duty when shots fired. What does karma have on the city? No ther bar ANYWHERE in the city would this be allowed to continue. are the afraid of insulting the “community”? I don’t want to DIE! It is a Gang bar, plain and simple. Shut down Gabby’s, they came here. Now gang bangers are mixing in honest people just trying to have fun. Letting this continue will kill the area along with innocent people. Please stop this Now! By the way, where’s Spike and the Reverand? Thought so…

    1. Micky says:

      I don’t understand why the city doesn’t require bars to provide officer support (paid for by the bar) when these instances keep happening.

      Why can’t Karma support the city in hiring 2 officers who must be on-duty at the club from open to close? Oh, because that would be a logical response to these shootings.

  19. Sgthrawn says:

    The police have no legal obligation to protect individuals. As such, if we are to stop these hoodlums, either we take action against their homes, or just a brute force overhaul of the city.

    Education is key, so is employment.

    1. Duh says:

      Yes, violent vigilante type justice always works. Moron.

  20. Karl says:

    If you put the Vike’s in Arden Hills, I will come because I don’t believe I’ll be shot. I just interviewed for a job here, had taxi drivers eyeing me up for a mugging.

    1. DT says:

      haha stay out nancy.

  21. Jack says:

    Don’t forget, now they want to add to the troubles downtown faces by opening a casino there, too. How stupid can they be? They’re so desperate for money that they don’t care about the crime rate or the safety of the city.

    CLOSE these problematic businesses, get tough on crime, stop excessive government spending, regulate government employee salaries and STOP wasteful spending!

  22. Jeff says:

    Here is a better idea.

    Establish a department that ENFORCES welfare regulation adherence. If a person is caught abusing the welfare system, they are AUTOMATICALLY withdrawn from the system and are charged with a felony (just like tax cheaters are).

    Impose random drug testing of welfare recipients. Failed test=No more welfare.

    Impose a policy that when a woman applies for welfare, she CANNOT have anymore children while on the welfare roles; the penalty for not adhering to this policy is automatic withdrawal of benefits. You may not have any control over the economy but you do have control over your legs.

    If we cracked down on welfare in this state by imposing tougher penalties, the immigration from Chicago and Gary Indiana will end (thus lowering crime) and it will save us taxpayer hundreds of thousands of dollar each year. And those who continue to live here and abuse the system, they will be thrown in prison.

    End of problem.

    See how easy that is?????

    1. Nathan says:

      great idea. How many people at that club are getting some type of government aid like EBT/Welfare? I bet over half! They are getting crunk up in the club and shooting the place up while the taxpayers are footing the bill! discusting..

    2. fred says:

      excellent ideas, jeff……problem is……if it makes perfect sense ….it will make no sense at all to a politician.

  23. :P says:

    Close the borders & Deport the illegals…Oops wrong blog ?!?!

  24. trl the alligator says:

    chances are….they wear their pants hanging off their back sides, are black or try to act “black”, have worthless parents, are of low mentality, have no marketable skills, have parents or siblings incarcerated, cant speak a sentence without the word MF’r in it, have not graduated high school, appear by their manner of dress and actions to be idiots, have worn corn rows at one time or another, and come from a mentally challenged gene pool……just sayin.

  25. liam Gilmorasy says:

    There is a larger more comprehensive argument that is not being touched upon and that is the question of demographics.
    This is not to say that most crimes are represented by all sectors of our society but the matter of demographic statistics is not being touched upon.
    Each community, each collective aspect of our country has it’s own approach to dealing with it’s problems. Not that one approach is better than another. It is a question of cross cultural issues.
    Too often the argument of economics, education standards, population density are used as the only explanation to rising violent (for this is what concerns most of us) crime. There are other components that we are not allowed to discuss and that is factors involving social, ethnic and cultural evolution.
    At first glance this would seen to be a complex argument. But on closer inspection we are merely comparing social problem solving from larger collectives of differing social, ethnic and cultural groups. (i.e. How is the problem with food distribution different in two varying countries such as Japan after it’s earthquake and other parts of the world).
    Again this is an argument that we are not allowed to touch upon.
    Each demographic group has it’s own method for dealing with it’s social issues that have worked for it’s particular group. An example would be that in the hot, barren desert one can see how Islam and the concept of kingdoms makes sense. Not unlike the need of a caption his his ship.
    It is when two very different demographic groups are forced to live within the confines of either one or the other without a tacit agreement to the rule of law.
    I am not saying this is an argument to end all arguments but it should put to rest the idea that the majority of violent crime is committed by those who have less materially.
    Would anyone care to continue this particular argument?

  26. lady says:

    Why Can’t they just close Karma? I was downtown yrs ago @ the ” Ugly Mug with a friend, when gun shots were fired. I don’t know wanna be shot or die neither did my friend or other Patrons downtown. Then was it like 3 weeks ago when there was another story about people shooting again by Karma? I admit I liked Karma once in my life But, Lately it’s been a few yrs now that Karma has turned into the ” Hood” club. Nobody respectable really goes there unless you wan’t to be in the hood. and yes it may sound racist but Being African American I would never go to Karma. When will the city close before an innocent person is caught in the crossfire because “Daunte” and “terrell” want to fight over weed, who’s on who’s turf, you stepping on my jordans, and who Keisha should be with?

  27. IamaGog says:

    Not one working stiff shot, regular folks are just fine as long as they don’t hang around until bar close.

  28. Bella Notte says:

    It’s just common sense. Learn to be sneaky if you want to hang out in dangerous places. Oh! (facepalm) that’s anytime a person goes out into a public place! Hang on a sec, I wanna text my BFF about how tragic all this sensless violence is. Oh, yes, your opinion definitely matters. Neither does mine, at least I can live with that. Let’s quote some statistics so we can feel self-important, or better yet, we think we actually know who is the ROOT OF THE PROBLEM.. Oh let it be for f**k”s sake.

  29. concerned1 says:

    I think most of you children out there need to wake up and grow up!!! The role of the parent is not what it used to .it’s called let me kiss your butt honey child and we can have coffee next week. Parents need to act like parents and get a dam grip and take away cell phones, stop buying sh#@! for their precious Paris Hilton’s and their little Jack juniors. Make em get their ass out there and work. Instill hard work and morals and give them something to do with their time. Stop being loser parents!!!

    As for the topic of shootings….stop the drinking and get a life….your parent’s probably suck at being parents, raised you and hated you and didn’t love you… what!!! Get over it and grow up and act like a dam adult!!

  30. concerned1 says:

    As for the comment about taking a liquor license away for too much public intoxification…good luck on that one!! If they could do that I guarntee everybar would be shut down. I’m not talking just downtown Mpls. I’m talking about bar owner Mike Tupa and all his leazy bars….Babe’s, Oak City, Pickle Park, Wild Bill’s…to name a few. Or how about Poor Richards, Cowboy Jacks, Uptown bars, Downttown bars, St. Paul bars…. the whole metro area bars??? The bartenders could careless that a person goes in to their bar and is drunk off their a@# falling down and being held up by their firends. They don’t care!! I have seen so many young girls dress up looking trashy and falling down. Come on where does the teaching begin to start and where does it end? We all have a part in this, but mainly the bars….they know when to cut a person off and just don’t do it. Oh I forgot they get taxed over and over, but they get to stay open later and keep the city up later. Oh by the way do you think the bar owners are really making more money staying open later? Nooooo…..because people go out an hour later now. I say close the bar at one. Make last call 12:45 and get the kids doing something else instead of drinking. What happened to cruise nights? They are not as bad as the local PD think they are. The politicians are turning these young adults into alcoholics and the cities don’t care or see a damn thing wrong with it. Re-election???? They need a hell of a lot more than re-election. They need to relook at the bills that were passed and take a few back!!!!!

  31. Jay says:

    Sadly, owners/operators of some bars attract this type of customer due to the way they operate the business. IF these bars would clean up their act their customer base will also change. Being too permissive of unruly behaviors starts the problem. Owners and bartenders need to make it known, and enforce certain language and behaviors will not be tolerated, then proceed to kick these offenders out either temporarily, or permanently if the person continues to display behaviors. Locally, we had a tavern that attracted troublemakers, after all too many fights and law enforcements interventions, they hired bartenders and waitresses that followed through with penalties restricting these individuals admission to their businesses. IT WORKED!

  32. tuna-free dolphin says:

    If or when these guys are caught I’d bet none of them have a permit to carry. It’s always people who own and carry them illegally that do this stuff. Then the liberals start squealing about making the law abiding, registered, gun owning citizens give up their guns. This is why (they say) we need more gun control. as though a criminal would turn in his gun if it were illegal. It’d maddening logic.

  33. mpls sux says:

    Maybe we could ask the Taliban to help with Karma…
    just sayin.

  34. BeenThereDoneThat says:

    I remember a few weeks ago when a “mother”/ and I use that term lightly puched her infant down the stairs because of an argument with her boyfriend. Then she told him she was pregnant again. I don’t know if she was on public assistance, but I would guess yes. Fortunately they took her child away (permanently I hope), because it is children like these who end up in gangs..with parentd who see them as only more money on their welfare check. I know there are a few disadvantaged out there who do fight to keep their children on the staight and narrow, but far too many fall into the latter catagory producing future gang members.

  35. shotta says:

    what we as human being , dont get ! when you let a 18yr old kid in a club. and allow them to drink , what happens ? when you dont train your kids what happens ? when you make programs of violance on tv what happens ? when you teach humans to put money before health , money before family ,what happens ? WE who are complaining are just as much of the problem as them !!!! If you believe the club is the problem , get it closed down ! why would I allow anyone to stop me from coming to the area???? why do I pay taxes ?? Lets stop complaining and do something about it !!!! We allow the clubs to serve minors , we allow those to control the neighbor hoods !!!!! words wont help we need action ” !!!!!!

  36. jeff says:

    i was sitting in the park downtown this morning having a coffee and some chick came up to me from chicago and started in about how she hates minneapolis so much cuz she didn’t get her welfare right away when she arrived by greyhound. are you serious? we have such great welfare, open ended, so that you can stay in facilities indefinitely! do you know how much these programs cost per person per month? almost $1,700.00. MULTIPLY THAT BY THOUSANDS. i see able bodied people sit and sit and wait for ssi to get approved for years…….i’m talking about perfectly able bodied people, but file for things like depression and anxiety. these same people believe that theya re entitled to this money and before they get it, they already are calling it “my money”.

    @JEFF: i have to totally agree with you. our system is just disgusting. i have watched some people go out and get a job and as soon as they do the county kicks them out of housing. now they are homeless….”but you got that job” who in their right mind wants to get a job if it means you becoming homeless? the cart is in front of the horses in so many ways. people on welfare who go to school get penalized. the system is set up to make sure that nobody is committing fraud but the people that get hurt are the people that want to do something. the system needs a good revamping. ugg!

    1. Good Ol Boy says:

      I used to have a friend whose sister was on permanent disability because she was overwhelmed by the stress of deciding what she wanted to do with her life.

      Two weeks ago I heard a story on the radio about a guy on the show “Taboo” who was obsessed with wearing a diaper and being treated like a baby. He’s on taxpayer paid permanent disability for years and years now because of his fetish.

      But at least those G*DD*MN F*Gs can’t get married… Good grief.

      1. jeff says:

        good point! even though i am one……..shows you where their priorities lie.

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