MINNEAPOLIS (WCCO) — Most people enter college as a teenager with the hope of graduating in four to five years, but in that same time span, one University of Minnesota freshman will be getting his driver’s license.

Eleven-year-old Lucas Kramer is nearly finished with high school, but he spends most of his time on the university campus.

A profoundly gifted young man, Kramer could read three-letter words by age 2 and read college-level books at age 5. His academic brilliance has made his life pretty busy.

“No time for cartoons or video games,” Kramer said. “I spend my weekends doing homework most of the time.”

Kramer’s father, Tim Kramer, said that his son’s perpetual curiosity leaves him with few quiet moments. Even at lunch with his chemistry professor, Dr. Amanda Long, Kramer asks questions, usually about his lab work.

“He definitely comes in with some creative questions,” Long said.

One question that Kramer is still seeking an answer to is what he wants to be.

“I’m thinking about maybe being a priest, researcher or a scientist,” Kramer said.

Whatever he chooses, Kramer said God will influence his decision.

“It’s just the one thing that I guess is really important in all I do is just try to do what God would want me to do always,” Kramer said.

For fun, Kramer works with the university’s solar car competition team. He said that Friday night they’ll start work on the motor.

Reg Chapman

Comments (277)
  1. twofiveone says:

    This boy sounds fantastic, hope he finds employment after graduation.

    1. Mike DJ says:

      I hope he creates jobs when he graduates.

      1. Greg says:

        Great response. Don’t forget becoming self-sufficient. They don’t like that either.

      2. teaisstronger says:

        Some Federal will rule that this is discrimination and that the college must also admit an 11 year old Black Boy to balance out the diversity and give esteem to the Black Nation.

        1. glenp says:

          see most posts earlier

      3. jasperddbgghost says:

        2nd guess was Asian. Wrong!

        Fast forward to next semester – Kramer get’s denied access to college because he doesn’t meet the Affirmative Action = have to let in lower scoring minorities or “I’m a man that feels like a woman” types.

      4. Jake says:

        I sure hope this young man’s parents have raised him to be oblivious to the colr of a person in this world. As for you…change can only come from within. You will answer to God someday.

        1. The Dude says:

          Shut up

        2. Jake sucks says:

          Wait till he gets even smarter. Like most brilliant minds, he’ll realize God is irrelevant.

          1. kauboy says:

            “It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.”

            Too late for you.

          2. irishsmile says:

            … and we would have to assume that you are ‘brilliant’ & take your opinion about God’s existence? I don’t think so.

          3. Oliver Klosov says:

            Historically most brilliant minds do reach the point of realizing God is irrelevant. Fortunately, those brilliant minds eventually reach the inevitable, correct conclusion that it is truly man who is irrelevant and God who is the very essence of relevance. It is my hope that you will reach that conclusion someday.

            1. Bill Vernon says:

              Not true:

              “Leading scientists still reject God”

              Nature, Vol. 394, No. 6691, p. 313 (1998)


              1. jkim says:

                Oh, gee, Nature….a completely unbiased scientific journal…sigh…

                1. devilsadvocate says:

                  At least it is peer reviewed unlike the the collection of fables and fairy tales that most religious texts are.

      5. JustAGuy says:

        Wow, all I said earlier today was if he works hard and succeeds, and creats jobs for others, he’ll be another person the Occupy Wall Street folks will hate, and somehow THAT got removed? For what? Daring to tell the truth about the Occupy Wall Street folks?

        1. Sarah says:

          How many jobs has Wall Street created exactly…you have no clue…Occupy Wall Street is NOT going after “job creators”…they are going after the bankers that destroyed our economy and got off scott freee idiot…oh yea, still waiting for Reagan’s trickle down economics to work…

          1. JustAGuy says:

            Education time:

            What is “Wall Street”?

            The term loosly referrs to public corporations. When investors invest either directly or through, through their pensions, mutual funds, or 401k’s into a public corporation, that corp. uses that infusion of cash to operate, and hopefully expand their business. Of course, dividends are paid as well. That’s how union pensions and 401k’s grow.

            What happens when a corp operates? PEOPLE WORK!

            What happens when a corp. expands their business? MORE PEOPLE WORK!


            1. Deus Vult says:

              I was going to reply to that “idiot” but you did a much better job than I would have done….”WELL DONE!”
              2012-SAVE THE REPUBLIC!
              NO MORE “resident” obama, moochelle “antionette” and the cabal of marxist czars!

          2. g55rumpy says:

            try the government`s regulations destroyed the economy

            1. JustAGuy says:

              EXACTLY! Excessive regulations makes it harder for businesses to operate or expand their operations, so the don’t!

          3. Jim says:

            Sarah, just how many people work for you. If you had any idea how the economy grows it is not with government it is inspite of government. With the economic conditions that was the spawn of government regulations and insider deals, to government is the biggest cause of jobs leaving the country. When the government beginning with Jimmy Carter on to Bill Clinton red lining banks if they didn’t loan money to people who were unable to pay it back with home loans. If the private sector did what the government has done most of the politicians including OBama would be in prison.

            1. Chris Jones says:

              Clearly things are not as simple as is put forth in the post thread by either side. Is there a reward system that is slighted to the upper reaches of Wall Street? Yes… Are manipulating economic contributions to government affecting better outcomes for the top social strata and contribute to the false argument that more deregulation is great for the economy? Yes… Is bigger government the answer? No… Is less regulation the answer? No… The more simple and less simple explanation is that our current economic crises is a belated effect of globalization and computerization/mechanization of our workforce (Middle class). The economic decline has been happening for many years and has only been delayed by 1) deregulation and poorly conceived government incentives bolstering a fake bubble in home prices and lending and 2) a Very advantages tech boom in the 90’s. 3) Developing countries bolstering our buying power while keeping there’s artificially low to drive there export and development export based economies (To be fair this is kind of what we did to Britian bakc in the day…hey unfair market regulation) But in a developing country there is not a middle class to demand a competitive wage…so no middle class…they are now able to compete with us without the overhead of the middle class THIS makes us who we are…We cannot compete without losing the very things that make us great. Other skilled jobs are being done with a computerized/mechanized work force that only need a few middle class jobs where hundreds used to exist…The C.E.O’s are getting there huge sales due to making huge profits (At a lower tax rate as well due to bonuses being tide to stocks which only pay capital gains tax not income tax- which is much higher) There bonuses came in part by losing the middle class work force that cost us so much AND the share holders that allow it. Because everyone owns shares now… they aren’t apart of boards to regulate CEO pay and usually have no idea whats going on or the bigger picture…. but Corporations (or job creators? kind of and kind of not). Corporations exist for one purpose… to make money and reduce liability… and that’s OK! But the government also says they should be able to have a say in government (contributions… Hey! Super PAC!)… having both is not OK and has caused unfair regulation that makes it harder on the middle class. Also by having a difficult job market they can demand more of there workers and pay them less so the CEO’s get more pay and further reduce the middle class… OK… so this is still a simplified version of what is going on…. but to summarize… No one is innocent (left or right) and unless we collectively acknowledge the larger institutionalized and global issues we face as a middle we are doomed for failure. BOOM! I said it!! It’s not bigger government… It’s smarter government (is that even possible?? Yikes!) Is not more regulation that’s the answer…It’s smarter regulation- as it affects Flawed tax regulation, global regulation monetary and otherwise and corporate contribution to government… You are all right and wrong by ignoring the obvious. If we don’t address the real issues and look at our problems and look for dynamic and creative solutions… just deregulation won’t fix a thing… Nothing! Less CEO pay will fix NOTHING… Fix our real global issues. It won’t be easy but we’ve done not easy before. Hopefully we can do it again.

          4. James Baker says:

            If they are going after the bankers they are after the wrong people. I suggest that they go after the White House, Fanny and Freddy and Congress. It was the “you support me and I’ll support you” mentality of those folks that destroyed our economy. The White House message is to collect more taxes so that we can support those businesses and unions we pick and they will in-turn fund our re-election. Sarah, check the facts and not the talking points of the politicians.

          5. Smashicus says:

            I bet you’ve caught a lot of trickle down, Sarah.

          6. Facts says:

            Stuff all your tired, passe left-wing cheap shots, Sarah. Those bunch of pollutive, smelly protestors are attacking capitalism and the free market, period…while the whole time supporting Mr. Wall Street Contributions himself, Barack Obama.

            They’re an irrelevant rabble who simply cannot compete with the Tea Party when it comes to actually moving and shaking politics, today.

            They’re yesterday’s news. This country’s conservative, and only grows more so by the day.

    2. Rod Anders says:

      There might still be some jobs available at McDonalds then.

      1. Greg says:

        Nope, they’re a big corporation too, that makes them the enemy of Liberals everywhere.

      2. BCre8F2 says:

        Ironic that McDonalds IS the Liberals

    3. Henry31 says:

      My bet is that he won’t study art or history. So, his employment prospect are probably pretty good…

      1. Bill Collins says:

        You are absolutely correct!

      2. Mickey Rodentia says:

        Even new science grads are having a hard time finding jobs. Right now BS doesn’t stand for bachelors of science.

        1. Ken Morrison says:

          Unemployment for college grads is 4-4.5%. Don’t believe the BS.

          1. jimmo says:

            A lot of unemployment is due to people being paid by the government to sit around for 99 weeks.

            1. Bill Vernon says:

              Has there actually been any academic research showing the actual percentages for that?

      3. Steve says:

        Eh, I studied art/design, graduated in 2009, and I’m currently making $130,000.

        1. Phil says:

          well done Steve but that sidesteps the point most art majors have a hard time finding work. Clearly you are well above average in your field. That however does not mean that those less gifted than you are also doing fine.

    4. THERealitTsar says:

      If Obama is gone when he graduates he will find a job; otherwise who knows.

      1. Sarah says:

        I know!! He won’t…or he’ll work for $5/hr as the repug’s destroy this great country to help the rich get richer and the rest can GTH…by the way…have any of you twits read the article? He wants to be a Priest…

        1. Trisha Johnson says:

          Reagan was 30 years ago and the economy was doing great back then (after Ronnie cleaned up Carter’s mess – Carter, now 2nd worst prez in history with Obuma taking the #1 spot). You are now seeing the results of the Dems controlling Congress and the purse strings for the last 4 years. Plus mistakes by Bush for trying to be too liberal and spending too much. Plus the banks had issues because Washington forced the banks to make loans to people who could not afford it and backed those loans with Fannie & Freddie. So the banks knew the government would cover any loses. The banks should never had made the loans in the first place, but the socialist liberals wanted everyone to own a home.

          Money doesn’t just trickle down (unless you are in a union), the money is there, but you have to work for it. Those smelly occupy wall street kiddies haven’t worked a day in their life. Union greediness destroyed America and now we are all paying the price. The government and Obuma stealing more of our money to payoff his union buddies has put us in a depression. Looking forward to Nov 2012!!!!

        2. Japes Macfarland says:

          Why are you calling people names?

          What is it with the Left and their seething hatreds? It’s creepy.

          Reagan ended the cold war. Communism murdered 100 million people in the 20th century, and probably more. You just haven’t been taught this because your text books are written by leftists, and leftists don’t like to emphasize the horror of Communism because it is left.
          Yet you guys gave Reagan a hard time for calling the Soviet Union an ‘evil empire’. Yea, right.

        3. Bob G. says:

          “… the rich get richer and the rest can GTH…”
          Actually, when the rich get richer, so does everyone else… just not at the same rate.

          When the rich stay the same (not getting richer, not getting less rich), everyone else loses–no new jobs are created and more people compete for the same number of jobs. The “value of labor” decreases.

          When the rich become less rich, so does everyone else. Except it hits us MUCH harder.

          Bottom line: don’t worry about the rich. What they make or have is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS (unless you’re in the business of promoting class warfare). So mind your own business and worry about yourself. If you do that, you can do quite well.

    5. icc says:

      find employment? He creates employment.

      Have you heard of a small liberal arts college dropout who was unemployable by high tech firms who required at least a bachelor degree? (hint: he grew Apples in factories.)

      1. Richard says:

        I never noticed that he was small.

        1. MissyOgyny says:

          Utterly priceless…would that ALL had noticed the error.

      2. Wapachaa says:

        Have you heard of all the other liberal college dropouts who were unemployable by high-tech firms that required at least a bachelor degree who still live in their parents’ basement?

        The exception proves the rule, my friend.

    6. Josh says:

      He might have an issue if he’s not 18, but I’m sure he could create his own company though.

    7. mike bronkar says:

      Hopefully he is not a LIBERAL and decides to be a “Social Organizer”,

      1. billp says:

        can’t be a liberal. he believes in God.

        1. Bill Vernon says:

          Some of us do give up God and conservatism for a reason and evidence based reality. Hopefully he’ll come out of it someday.

          1. Pamela says:

            Evidence based reality would show you that God is real. All that is seen in the known world could not ‘just happen’. The intelligence that is behind the order of life is far too great to comprehend. God is real, even if you don’t believe. He cares a great deal for you Bill. I think this 11-year old understands enough that we weren’t burped from primordial slime, which makes him seek the only reasonable answer. God.

        2. art says:

          That is not always the case. I’m a conservative but I don’t believe in any god or religion. I know tons of folks that go left politically and adore their religion at the same time. It’s just not a rule.

  2. Mike says:

    It sounds wonderful to be capable of doing academic work years beyond your age groups capabilities, but where do these prodigies go after making it through their academic achievements? I have yet to read a story where they continue to do anything to benefit society at the same dynamic associated to their abilities and perceived personal gain. Trading normal childhood growth seems admirable and desirable, but do the benefits really make it worthy in the equation of life? That to me is something that should be addressed while promoting brilliance beyond the norm.

    1. Julie says:

      In high school I studied advanced Chemistry with a 10-yr-old. I ran into him recently- he’s now a researcher at a very well-known hospital with a beautiful family, working in cancer research. I think the story of “the professional who 20 yrs ago was a prodigy when he was young” is much less interesting/newsworthy than seeing the young prodigy in action. Every ‘prodigy’ I’ve known, although I’m no expert, has come from a well-rounded, talented, dedicated, loving family and they continue along that route. It’s wonderful to see what kids can do when boundaries are not placed on them.

      1. Nah says:

        I doubt you know that many prodigies….

        1. Matt says:

          The woman provides a proof and people come back with subjective cynicism. lol Julie FTW.

      2. no says:

        No boundaries? He’s clearly inundated with a bunch of mind-numbing religious dogma. Few things have more restrictive boundaries than the ignorance enforced by religion.

        1. Ken Morrison says:


        2. Eileen Pressler says:

          Talk about ignorance No, you are clearly mind-numbed and restricted by your own fears and ignorance. Just becausee you don’t believe in something doesn’t mean it doesn’ exist. What are you so afraid of? That God does exist? It’salright, He still loves you and will accept you at any time. More than you will of others I’m willing to bet.

          1. phil says:

            I believe in god just not what “man” has decided god is over thousands of years. One man isn’t trustworthy much less a chain of men telling stories for a millenia. Don’t tell me who god is or what he believes, if he exists I will ask him when I die.

        3. E.M. says:

          LOL! Yes, he really seems to be suffering greatly from ignorance. Believe it or not, some intelligent people have faith.
          What restrictive boundaries do you think his faith is enforcing upon him? No lying? No murdering? No envy? No adultery? hmmm…Must be pure torture for a n 11-year-old prodigy. Apparently they are rough for you to operate within, since you seem to hate it so much.
          Inevitably someone will extract his faith from this story and create conflict when it’s possibly he’s very happy and content within his faith. Assumptions…they make an ‘ass’ out of ‘u’ and ‘me’.

        4. Dee says:

          Study Christian apologetics then see who is ignorant.

    2. Bob says:

      I work in the field of science with some truly brilliant people. Sadly they have very poot social skills and no life after work. Many of them work a 14 hour day because there is no life at home.

      1. SirGareth says:

        Working 14 hours a day is not work when the person loves it. Newton probably wasn’t much on the soiree circuit either.

        Was the Sistine Chapel done on a 40 hour work week? Having a home life is not necessarily what everyone is in search of.

        1. Ellen says:

          I agree completely

        2. Heywood says:

          Well said!

        3. SMH says:

          I work a 16 hour day and hate it… But thats just to make the budget. I also have no social skills beyond pointing out that if the kid gets in to religion, it’ll be a waste of skills. Leave that to the people without imagination, or average curiousity.

          I could have gotten in to any college or trade that I wanted other than what I do, but I looked around at everyone and wondered whats the point. Figured I would join the army and shoot people instead; makes a bigger difference for the betterment of the world

          1. BG says:

            you sir are uneducated and it shows. study your war, study the past, expect the future. you better the profiteers of war, not people and no world.

      2. jkim says:

        That isn’t much of an argument against letting this kid follow his passion. Some people just have poor social skills. Some people are born that way. Some were just never taught by their parents. Their work isn’t what makes them that way. EInstein had very poor social skills. Some people believe that he had Asperger’s syndrome. He would have still had it even if he hadn’t been a scientist. So should Einstein not have been a scientist just because he might have no life after work? “Sorry, Albert, until you can make small talk at a party, we can’t hire you.”

      3. Indy Var says:

        sure, Bobby, we all know jealous people who can only feel better by belittling others.

    3. jkim says:

      If he enjoys it why shouldn’t he do it? Apparently this is natural for him. David Farragut was a midshipman at age 10 and commanded a prize ship captured in the War of 1812 at age 12. Why should we force young people to continue to be immature if they have the capacity to be adults? Read “Do Hard Things.” Young people need to throw off the cultural shackles of mediocrity.

      1. Mother_of_5_Sons says:

        Unfortunately, with the way this administration and it’s supporters believe, this young man should not get recognition for his achievement! They would not want some other student to feel inadequate due to this young man’s accomplishments.

        1. jkim says:

          Someone who truly loves what they do wouldn’t be worrying about getting “recognition.” Read C.S. Lewis’ “Inner Ring” article. Do what you love and forget about the losers who object to you, that’s my advice to this young man!

        2. Jake says:

          Mom, what does this administration have at all to do with this young man?? By “this administration” I guess you are implying Democrats?? As if Republicans are not for corporations…you know, the ones taking the jobs out of our country. Did you hear Immelt, the Republican CEO of GE, on 60 minutes last week? He says we should be cheering for GE even if they are creating jobs in Brazil and wherever else but here…because GE is an american company…and americans should cheer for them. So take your blinders off and start cheering!!

          1. jkim says:

            What does cheering for GE have to do with this young man? You also are entirely missing the point. If this young man is fortunate, he will learn to live his life and do his work without needing the approval of society, and just be content with the love of God and his family and friends.

          2. Ken Morrison says:

            I would hardly call him a Republican considering that he is Obama’s Chairman of economic advisors.

    4. ghostrider says:

      There was a child prodigy Asian boy that graduated from the University of South Alabama in 1994 that everyone bowed down to and hyped, hooted and hollered about at that time. He even appeared on Jay Leno shortly after he graduated. Here we are almost 18 years llater…where is he? What has he accomplished? He just disappeared like smoke to the sky never to be seen or heard from again!

      1. jkim says:

        How do you know he isn’t just doing his job somewhere without making a fuss? Someone who truly loves what he does isn’t necessarily concerned with popularity. Read C.S. Lewis’ “Inner Ring” article. It is available on the web. I say he should forget about all you losers who object to him., What business is it of yours anyway?

      2. jkim says:

        And if he does lack social skills, so much the better. Some of those people have so little concern about social skills that they truly don’t think about what people think about them. Einstein was one of those. Just leave them alone and let them accomplish what God made them to be. WHy should they care about your opinion? Everything isn’t about YOU, you know. 🙂 Of course, some people are so insecure that it MATTERS to them that people approve of them.

      3. KJ says:

        He won a million dollars on a game show.

    5. Indy Var says:

      mike… you are judging others by the norms supposed/imposed by the average. we are not all alike. it sucks… your attempt to limit others.

    6. jimmo says:

      Don’t try to form your view of the world by watching _Good Will Hunting_ or _Little Man Tate_. Those are vulgar movies, not real life.

    7. KJ says:

      Carl Sagan was a prodigy.

  3. Jack says:

    You’re apparently unaware that some of the worlds greatest scientists were priests.

    1. Ben Doverhereitcomes says:

      The key word in your sentence is “were”. They were priests probably because they felt that they wouldn’t be as likely to be labeled heretics if they showed loyalty to the catholic church. Being labeled a heretic guaranteed you a place in the inquisition. These days, we don’t have to worry about that. Being a priest would be a waste of this kids time.

      1. jkim says:

        That’s pretty arrogant of you. Who are you to decide that? Who do you think you are, God or somebody like Him?

      2. TC says:

        1927, Big Bang Theory
        1501 End of Spanish Inquisition.
        So much for that theory – put forth as analysis, without any backing information…

      3. Mickey Rodentia says:

        Would your tune change if he wanted to be a Mullah?

        Most people in the clergy today be it Catholic, Protestant or Rabbinical are college educated and many have advanced degrees. Bettering yourself academically serves the world.

        Serving God is never a waste of time.

      4. Karen says:

        Ben, I know THREE priests who were in the sciences before they became priests. One worked as a chemical engineer, one as an Electrical Engineer, and one as an oceangrapher. You are totally out to lunch, and have a backward view of the church.

    2. phil says:

      Priests also used to be just about the only educated people around or even knew how to read.

  4. Ruth says:

    Please chose the priesthood…

    1. jimmo says:

      No. We need the kid’s genes. He should make friends with a sperm bank.

  5. Alfonzo says:

    “Kramer said God will influence his decision. ” Kid doesn’t sound that smart to me.

    1. Leah says:

      On the contrary, he’s clearly smart enough to realize where his extraordinary abilities came from. Brilliant child!

      1. no says:

        Yes, nothing says “brilliant” like subscribing to a magical story with as much validity as Santa Clause. Well done, moron.

      2. Phil says:

        I would be willing to bet with his intelligence he knows tha what he has been told about god is probably false but also that science has been wrong throughout history and that neither puts forth a significant argument beyond what has been said and that leaves him as someone who chooses faith knowing full well heaven may be drastically different than what he has been told. And science only provides answers to earthly questions and truly has no clue if there is an all powerful being. Science can only decrease the likelyhood and the need for a god to explain things which does not prove the lack of a god. Arrogant fools=people who think we KNOW anything. Everything is up for debate till the end.

    2. pipedream says:

      Yeah, who would want to follow the direction of God who knows everything…..

      Obviously, the kid is brilliant.

    3. Mitch says:

      He sounds smart to me. Who influences your decisions Alfonzo, or the decisions of other 11 year-olds? The corporate marketing departments that produce TV commercials? This boy is wise beyond his years.

    4. Mike says:

      Oh no? What were you doing when you were 11, atheist, still trying to get out of second grade?

    5. Heywood says:

      Haha! Good one, Alfonzo.

    6. Mickey Rodentia says:


      How much fancy book learnin’ do you have Al? Please enlighten us with your erudition.

    7. joe says:

      There were and are many people whose intelllect far exceeds yours that believe in G-d.

      Einstien, was one of them. The guiding principle that led him to theory of Relatitviy and opposition th Heisenbergs “Uncerainty Principle” was that “G-d doesn’t role dice”.

    8. Bill Vernon says:

      Give him time. If he’s that smart, he’ll probably notice the gross inconsistencies in any religion and give up religion someday.

  6. Joseph says:

    Alfonzo, keepin it classy since 8:38 this morning.

  7. Ned Schnittt says:

    Alfonzo doesn’t sound that smart to me.

  8. Fred says:

    Alf – you think God doesn’t exist? Can you prove it?

    1. nilofc says:

      Ask him to prove if he blieves in love… since he can’t see it i bet he can;t prove it.

      Here is something simple… ask him to prove there is air… we know it exists but he can;t see it.. i bet he believes it doesn’t exist too. Athiests amazes me with their lack of understanding.

      1. seanpatriot says:

        Are you serious? Love is a chemical reaction and Air? Really? You dont know that we have instruments that can read the amount of Hydrogen, Oxygen and Helium in a given atmosphere?

        1. Ilikesanta says:

          Seanpatriot, have you in fact performed these experiments to test their validity, or do you take by faith that the science you have learned is accurate and truth. Love is not proven to be a chemical reaction only theorized. If so, you could go get a test for love to see how in love you are by testing for the presence and concentration of a specific hormone.

          1. no says:

            The fact is that he could conduct the tests for this scientific knowledge, if he wanted to. No religion can apply the scientific method to itself, because there is no way to validate it. Your inability to gasp this fundamental aspect of science is staggeringly sad.

            1. Phil says:

              Wow this is crazy right here. nilofc science has a pretty solid grasp on things of that nature. Please dont even try to argue that you look like an idiot. However I agree atheists are arrogant fools. ON THE OTHER HAND nothing in science has ever disproved the possibility of a god. Has it explained things that were once only explained by “it is god’s work”? Absolutely but how atheists have so much FAITH that those explanations disprove the possiblility of a god is beyond me. How can you be so sure that there isnt a god and that the god isnt an extraterrestrial being who created the universe as a science experiment. Question the validity of religions is fine but to say with certainty that there is no god is foolish at best. Given the massive size and complexity of our universe nobody on earth has the right to claim one way or another for sure. Which is why I am agnostic(neither science nor religion knows for sure) Leave it be.

      2. vinko says:

        he loves his hand.

    2. seanpatriot says:

      The Burden of proof lies on the backs of believers of said truth. So Just use the scapegoat of faith and move on.

    3. tia says:

      The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim. Can you prove that unicorns don’t exist? Nope.

      1. Dale says:

        LOL, You’re correct! Those who claim that God DOESN’T exist, need to provide some proof. (theory doesn’t count as proof, BTW)

        1. tia says:

          Ummmm no. You claim god exists. I didn’t say god definitely doesn’t exist so I don’t have to prove anything. god may exist but it cannot be proven. The burden of proof lies with those making the claim of gods existence. If you know for sure, than prove it. If not, you can believe what you like, but don’t say it’s “true”.

          1. Phil says:

            You cant prove he exists and science can only explain what has been touted as gods work, neither proves or disproves anything so mind your own beliefs people.

    4. no says:

      Your comment doesn’t make any sense. You can’t prove a negative. You’re the one asserting the existence of something, therefore the burden for proof is on you. Once you go down the road of “can you prove this thing I just pulled out of my ass doesn’t exist?”, you have to accept that everything that you can’t disprove exists. You can’t prove that dragons and unicorns *don’t* exist, so therefore they exist? I don’t think so.

      A scientist needs to accept this most fundamental logical truth before he can call himself a scientist.

      1. tia says:

        I’m not asserting the existence of anything. What are you talking about? “You can’t prove a negative”. That’s exactly my point. Therefore, the burden of proof lies with the one making the claim.

        1. Fred says:

          It’s atheists that are making the claim that God does not exist. So where is the proof? Atheists are all about evidence and facts, right?

          The fact is you cannot prove that there is no God. An honest scientist accepts that science can only deal with those things that are material and measurable by scientific means, and that’s all. Science has nothing to say about those things that are beyond the means or capacity of its instruments to detect.

          God, by all accepted definitions, is super-natural and beyond the material realm.

          So, because science cannot say anything about things that are beyond the capacity of its instruments to measure, therefore God doesn’t exist? I don’t think so.

          1. Bill Vernon says:

            If God is beyond the capacity of our instruments to measure, then we have no way to observe or experience God. Therefore, there is no reason to believe he exist. Or put another way, you have just as much reason to believe God exists as you have to believe Thor exists.

          2. Phil says:

            Start off by saying I do not believe in god and am agnostic. Well said Fred very well said. I would say tho that believers are making the original claim that god exists, science is just questioning that statement not making an original one. HOWEVER what you said about instruments and everything is on the money. Science has no comprehension of a god therefore cannot honestly make a claim either way. People who claim there is no god are jumping to conclusions. I have personally concluded thanks to science that religion is misguided and most likely wrong. But science has failed to even put a dent in my belief that there may be a god. Even if it is Men in Back style where the universe is simply a marble in some greater beings sack of marbles. The point is we don’t know so back off religion.

      2. Indy Var says:

        au contraire, you foolish “no”. you know not of what you speak. negatives are merely opposites of positives, neither more than a direction, a concept, a charge, whatever. duh, simply change directions…. call your left, right and call your right, left….. call your vision of up as down, or down as up. your studies have so failed you. you are but a fool crying out that the world is flat, as that is what you are presented. it is indeed what you are shown and all that you know, but neither of that is complete.

    5. Bill Vernon says:

      Actually Fred, if you propose the existence of something, it’s on you to demonstrate it’s existence. You must have some evidence for it if you believe it. I see no evidence, therefore I claim the lack of evidence leaves me no reason to believe that god exists.

      1. Fred says:

        I ‘propose the existence’ of nothing. It is atheists making the claim that God does not exist. Therefore, atheists need to demonstrate – using the tools evidence and facts they claim theists must present for the existence of God – to prove that God does not exist.

        By all standard definitions, God is a non-material, non-physical super-natural being. How can one expect there to be physical evidence for such? There cannot be. To use the lack of physical evidence as a rationale for belief that God doesn’t exist is a category error.

        There is no physical experiment which can disprove non-physical existence. Testing in category A cannot determine whether category B exists or does not exist.

        You can believe that God does not exist, just don’t try to claim your position has anything to do with reason or logic. Atheism is a creed, its views taken on faith.

  9. Mitch says:

    Why, what would be wrong with that. If he’s called then I hope he does.

  10. Marlene Hessler says:

    A few ‘sheep’ comments to be sure. Probably teachers’ union types. Today they focus on doing what kids hae done by themselves since the beginning of time. Today they have to spend oodles of time on learning to ‘socialize’. Is that as in being taught to be good socialist sheep?

    I am greatly dismayed by my grandchildren’s school One paper sent home a week ago asked parents to come to a meeting 17 October to discuss a problem. The ‘problem’ is that district taxpayers are paying for the education of children from a nearby MILITARY BASE. That is a UNITED STATES MILITARY BASE that keeps us safe. They do not mention that taxpayers are also paying to educate kids that ARE IN THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY. I am really disappointed and dismayed. The school district is the location of a base that many fought hard to keep open (it has been BRAC’d. They want the money, no mistake. I’m a proud American. Not a proud Tinton Falls, NJ, resident.

    1. Terry says:

      Typically, children that live on base are identified by the school so that the military can pay the school/property taxes.

      1. dam says:

        Correct. Marlene has this backwards. These kids bring federal dollars to the local school district. That’s why school districts are keen to identify kids who are military dependents – to ensure they receive the additional govt. funding.

  11. Charles Ray says:

    > Whatever he chooses, Kramer said God will influence his decision.

    Just lost my respect for the kid.

    1. Steve Kellmeyer says:

      According to the American Sociological Association’s report last month, atheists are predominantly poor and uneducated, congregating mostly among high school dropouts.

      I see that Charles Ray was in the ASA’s data set.

      1. devilsadvocate says:

        Huh? Not according to this report (pg 43). Sorry to inconvenience you with those pesky facts that get in the way of your opinions.


        Oh and that which can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.

        1. Daniel Hasking says:

          “LAS VEGAS — While religious service attendance has decreased for all white Americans since the early 1970s, the rate of decline has been more than twice as high for those without college degrees compared to those who graduated from college, according to new research to be presented at the 106th Annual Meeting of the American Sociological Association.

          “Our study suggests that the less educated are dropping out of the American religious sector, similarly to the way in which they have dropped out of the American labor market,” said lead researcher W. Bradford Wilcox, a professor of sociology at the University of Virginia.”


          1. devilsadvocate says:

            LOL, I see at least two people have woefully misinterpreted that study to make two VERY INCORRECT assumptions about its conclusions.

            (1) The study didn’t use the term atheist once. So both of you made an incorrect leap of “faith”. It talked about people stopping attendance at religious ceremonies, etc. It didn’t make any judgment as to why they discontinued going to services at all.

            (2) Even assuming your incorrect assumption as pointed out above was true, that study you indicate talks about those that have dropped out of religion that qualified for inclusion in the study, not the overall atheist population as a whole which my link addresses.

            Again, sorry to point out those pesky little facts.

            1. Daniel Hasking says:

              devilsadvocate, you are the one making assumptions here, did I ever use the term “atheist”? Please point me to the section where I posted with the term “atheist”? If you cannot, it is you who are making such assumptions, and then accusing others of making such assumptions. I expect you to state that you have made that accusation falsely.

              As you stated, “sorry to point out those pesky little facts”.

              When you point a finger at others, you have three pointing back at you.

              1. jimmo says:

                Steve Kellmeyer made a mess, and you did a something to clean it up. Somebody should tell Steve to clean up his own mess, like he was supposed to learn at an early age.

              2. devilsadvocate says:

                By simply posting the article that Steve was too lazy to provide which Steve mentioned as support that atheists were of lower intelligence without any commentary, you appear to be supporting his contention.

                Do you support Steve’s theory that atheists are less intelligent or do you refute it. If you don’t support it, simply state that and unbunch your panties. If you support Steve’s statement then you are simply throwing a red herring out there.

      2. Bill Vernon says:

        Could you provide a link to that research?

    2. Phil McCrauck says:

      Even if you don’t believe in a God, that doesn’t mean the kid doesn’t deserve respect. What does that have to do with deserving your respect? You are an idiot.

    3. Mikey says:

      How tolerant and enlightened of you, Charles…

  12. TC says:

    Heard of The Big Bang Theory, Priest Monseigneur Georges Lemaître at work…

    Please don’t be an uninformed closed minded bigot.

    1. Steve Kellmeyer says:

      The Jesuits invented the science of seismology (it has been called “the Jesuit science), another priest invented stratigraphy, a Benedictine monk made the first electric motor, another monk discovered the science of genetics.

      Without Catholic priests and religious, science wouldn’t have progressed nearly as far as it has.

      1. Jimmy says:

        And alcohol wouldn’t be nearly as developed 🙂 It would be great if the kid became a priest as a testament to the motivation behind his drive. This story is just full of hope and warm fuzzies.

      2. devilsadvocate says:

        And without organized religion suppressing free thought and “heretic” ideas we would have progressed much further.

      3. jimmo says:

        Priestly celibacy removes from the pool the genes of many of the best and brightest. So you can see that maybe science would have progressed much farther without it.

    2. nilofc says:

      The Big Bang theory points to something bigger than science… Creation Ex Nihilo…. out of nothing comes something…. the big bang theory clearly points to this…. maybe you didn’t the words “Let There Be Light”… and then Bang….

      Out of Nothing…comes Something. Yes…there is someone who created.

      You are the one who is uninformed.

      1. seanpatriot says:

        We believe in the design, we just disagree on “who” or “what” caused the design

      2. Bill Vernon says:

        Special Pleading:


        You can’t say the universe needed a creator because it couldn’t have created itself without saying the same thing about supposed creator. The best one can do is to say I don’t know why the universe is here.

  13. Matthew says:

    Who is closed minded, the person who believes in God, or the person who refuses to believe there is a God? Who are the bigots?

    1. no says:

      The person who believes in God, because the person who doesn’t would almost certainly change their mind if given ample evidence to the contrary. The person who believes, however, is just ignorantly and mindlessly subscribing to a belief instilled by the society they grew up in, without applying logic or any methodology to it whatsoever. Your statement alone makes me sad for the future of this entire country.

  14. nilochsaloob says:

    Athiests have a gloomy outlook in life… they think we are just walking bags of chemicals here on earth…and after this life… there is no hope…and that’s it.

    What can be gloomier than that. Sounds stupid to me.

    1. seanpatriot says:

      Sounds easy and simple to me. Religion has made dying too complicated and boring.

    2. tia says:

      I don’t have a gloomy outlook at all. On the contrary, since I know that when I die there won’t be any afterlife in paradise I live my life to the fullest. I show kindness and respect to other and do my best to make my little corner of the world a better place. I don’t do good works cause I want to get into heaven or because I’m afraid of being punished.

    3. no says:

      So, you believe in religion, because you’re too afraid of the alternative. That’s real genius, right there.

      I acknowledge that we only have one shot at life and then we’re a bag of bones in the ground, so better treat people right, do what you can, and not waste time or energy. Yeah, that’s so gloomy!

      People like you, on the other hand, spend their days hating people for their skin color, sexuality, religious differences, ethnicity, political beliefs, attributing successes to some deity and failures to “god’s plan”, and probably nearly masturbating yourself into a froth every time you ponder the end of the world, like most religious nuts.

      1. josh says:

        By “treat people right” do you mean “demean and make fun of”?

    4. Bill Vernon says:

      Even if it does sound stupid to you, gloomy and depressing, if it’s true then it’s true no matter how if feels.

  15. Hank Warren says:

    He will get dumber attending U/M. Useless colleges, yet another violation of our rights. Add it to the list of gov’t violations of our rights:
    They violate the 1st Amendment by banning books like “America Deceived II” and censoring the internet.
    They violate the 4th and 5th Amendment by molesting airline passengers.
    They violate the entire Constitution by starting undeclared wars for foreign countries.
    Impeach Obama, vote for Ron Paul.
    (Last link of Banned Book):

  16. razorback says:

    Its not the kid who is so bright, its the schools that have been dumbed down. My kid was accepted at U of Arkansas at 13 yo and is getting A’s. High school is a joke, might as well be at university getting credits for a degree.

  17. Mark says:

    My son is doing college level math and he’s ten and in the 5th grade at a public school. He also reads above a 12th grade level. He does his normal school work but I tutor him on the advanced stuff. He is capable of going to college but as he said, “Dad, I just want to do normal 10 year old stuff. I’ll go to college. College isn’t everything.”
    He’s in Webelos Scouts, plays the piano & cello. I’ll guide him, but not needlessly push him.

    1. dam says:

      Good on you Mark! There’s no hurry. Let him enjoy growing up. Adulthood will be here soon enough.

    2. Karen says:

      Good for your son, Mark. Every kid is different in what they need/want. Don’t necessarily assume the other boy is being ‘pushed.’

    3. no says:

      Just don’t hold your kid back unless he wants it. Teachers wanted to push me ahead several grades in school, many times. (I was one of those kids who was reading by two or three and scoring at multi-year college levels for reading, writing, and math skills while still in elementary school). Unfortunately, my parents never told me of these opportunities at the time and chose to leave me as I was, with the justification that “socializing with his peer group is more important”.

      The result? I never gave a damn about the paste-eating idiots in my peer-group, never socialized, and couldn’t wait to get the hell out of school, which was holding me down. I eventually dropped out of highschool by the end of ninth grade, became a software developer in the bay area, and made my first million long before the age of thirty.

      The point of the story, here, being that while it all worked out, it was of absolutely no thanks to the school system or being in school. In fact, it was despite it. And – no – some “almighty” isn’t to thank or be praised for my success, either. I’m the one who put in the hard work.

  18. Bob Enyart says:

    If anyone knows Tim Kramer, please feel free to pass along an interview invite for him or his son from Colorado’s most-powerful AM radio station, AM 670 KLTT with contact info for BEL at KGOV.com. We’re so encouraged to hear about Lucas’ desire to honor God with his life!

  19. Odins Acolyte says:

    Amazing child. Stupid idea. Hope the kid can handle the emotional changed he will go through. Puberty and college don’t go together.

  20. Andre says:

    He’s not only a genius but he has the gift of wisdom.

  21. Paul says:

    Don’t burn out.
    Dig deeper and fly higher, but have a destination in mind.

  22. Dan says:

    Kind of impressive but not really….high school is not difficult, and college is laughably easy in this country. If you show up for class, you get a degree.

    1. dam says:

      Dan. Don’t compare this to your U of Phoenix degree. And by the way, how old were you when you earned your laughably easy degree?

      1. Phil says:

        dam, jumped to your own conclusions there maybe dan is also a genius and felt everything was easy. Or maybe he just feels like posting this on here makes him feel smarter. Either way he has only shown his ignorance to the difference in people and their respective intelligence’s.

        1. dam says:

          Phil – it was intentional. Thought he might like a little of what he was dishing out. It drives me crazy when others try to make themselves feel better by demeaning the accomplishments of others – regardless of how easy it may have actually been for them.

  23. Bec says:

    I don’t know why not. Being a Priest is an honorable profession, especially now that those 1.5% of men who never should have been a priest in the first place are gone. Please don’t be critical of the 98.5% of priest who are decent God loving men who have never done anything to a child or anyone else for that matter. The media hype made it sound like all the priest are bad. They’re not.

    1. James says:

      I have nothing against priests, and I’ve known some good ones, but I think it’s likely that when this kid hits puberty he will reconsider any notions he ever had of being a priest. He’s saying that because it seems important and he’s 11. But it’s just the way of the world that most people would rather not commit themselves to a life of celibacy once they realize what that means.

      Unfortunately, this young man is going to have a hard time finding girls to date in college, when all the girls his age are still in middle school.

      1. jkim says:

        If he really wants to be a priest, he can mark “finding girls to date” off his list. 🙂

        Seems like to me people are really grasping at straws to find something negative to say about this young man. Can’t you people just be happy for him and wish him the best?

    2. Erik says:

      Can you post a link to your stats and percentages?

  24. Joe says:

    Hopefully he learns to break his Christian chains. You’d think he would have by now. Props to his parents for a fine indoctrination!

    1. crypticguise says:

      Joe, you’re q;uite pathetic.

      1. Bill Vernon says:

        And that was a pathetic response. How about some substance to it?

    2. McSorley says:

      Ohhh come on Joe I am sure any chance you get to have a kid you will teach him to excel at smoking dope, drinking brews and reading Darwin. As you watch him drive away to college you will look at that little fish with legs on the bumper and a little tear will well up in your eye.

  25. Mchael says:

    This amazing young man has a greater gift than having a university-level mind at age 11… he has the gift of humility which he is using to bring himself and others closer to Our Lord, Jesus Christ. I pray that he always keeps a clean heart so as to know the will of God for him… be it as priest, husband or single person. Sincerely, MIchael

  26. Billy Jr. says:

    Oh God, another achiever in the making! The Libs better tamp it down now, by means of their usual brainwashing and agitprop campaigns. I say this because no rational, free thinking individual could ever support them! Period!

  27. Realistic Jones says:

    Quite the gifted, booksmart bloke. I wouldn’t say he was smart though if he thinks god is directing him and he maybe wants be a priest. Hopefully he’ll grow out of it and put god in the same basket as the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus where he/she/it/them belongs.

    1. dam says:

      Yeah, if he’s real lucky, some atheistic, liberal progressive will take him under their wing and show him the true path to enlightenment. Even if my kids were this smart, I would never turn them over to a university faculty. He’s sure to emerge as damaged goods.

    2. Bill Vernon says:

      Go easy on him, he’s only 11. He’s smart enough, he’ll probably snap out of it.

  28. Christopher R. Baker says:

    Alfonso, Charles R, I humbly encourage you to reconsider whether or not to believe in God. I wanted to be an inventor, and by working hard with interest and devotion and talents that ARE God given, I have discovered things and have acquired a patent on one of these. I don’t wish this comment to be removed as Spam so I will limit the content. The patent if you search it, [utility patent #7,574,830] doesn’t look like much but I’m preparing a public presentation to be posted online upon completion. This will graphically show a wide variety of valuable uses for this pattern that even ordinary school kids can understand, because I want to see that many (MANY) people will be employed for many years to come building things they want and need. While working on some detail of my invention, I noticed something having to do with Prime numbers. As it turns out, I discovered a seemingly universal visual pattern in the Prime number sequence. I’m hoping this could be useful in making unbreakable data and message encryption. I’m trying to be on the Good side. I have failed badly at times. There is also d evil side. I’m glad that Lucas Kramer is on the side of God in whatever direction his Goodness leads him.

    1. Bill Vernon says:

      If you found a seemingly universal pattern in the prime numbers, you’d better have a formal proof of it if you want to use it in cryptography.

  29. vinko says:

    was wondering when some liberals were going to speak negative of God, at least the boy has something he believes in, unlike you liberals.

    1. Bill Vernon says:

      Why is it considered a virtue to believe in something without evidence? Is it because you were told this all your life and never questioned it? Did you arrive at that conclusion by some meaningful thought process?

  30. Matt says:

    Hopefully, If he is truly as inquisitive and intelligent as we are led to believe, he won’t be letting invisible super-ghosts influence his decision making processes for very much longer.

  31. dam says:

    Atta boy Doogie!

    1. Mikey says:

      I was waiting for a Doogie comment. Well played sir or madam!

  32. Ben Dover says:

    I hope the university teaches this kid that corporations are evil greedy companies whose number one goal is to make those evil profits. They must shatter all ambitions this child may have. Shatter any ill conceived notions about working hard to make evil money so as to provide for himself and his family.

    1. glenp says:

      it’s “EEEEEEVILLLL” corps and EEEEEVILLLLL Profits

      1. phil says:

        agreed but it is kinda gross how obsessed large companies are with getting every dollar possible. I own my own business and make enough for my employees and I but I am wondering when people will try to persuade me to cut costs, salaries, benefits, increase price so forth. You cant really argue that the american corporate model is based on greed and in fact highlights it. It is the incorporated doom.

  33. chris says:

    “It’s just the one thing that I guess is really important in all I do is just try to do what God would want me to do always,”

    How can someone be so smart yet so stupid

    1. TC says:

      So you are smarter than anyone who ever believed in God?
      I’m guessing you aren’t one of the great polymaths that fills our history books and developed the science and technologies that makes our modern life possible – those great people who disagree with you but don’t call you names for it.
      Coming to a different conclusion in is one thing, what you are doing is denigrating people who have clearly displayed a superior intellect to yours. To the rest of the world that is appalling. That irrational behavior is symptomatic of a truly cult-indoctrinated fanatic. Maybe you do have a religion after all, and it’s an ugly one.

    2. Tom Menino says:

      @chris: I’m assuming the sentence “How can someone be so smart yet so stupid” is your signature block, chris. Regardless, please refrain from evangelizing about your atheism. Your beliefs matter zero, and you fall into the smug trap of sounding more irritating than those you ignorantly deride.

      And besides, your Mom just called down to your basement apartment and said you grilled cheese is ready.

    3. Bill Vernon says:

      Come on Chris, the kid is eleven. Eleven. Give him a break. If he’s smart and cares about consistency in his understanding of the world, he’ll probably come out of it.

  34. Cathy S says:

    “It’s just the one thing that I guess is really important in all I do is just try to do what God would want me to do always,” Kramer said.

    His understanding that doing the will of God always is real wisdom. He sure seems to be a happy child as well.

  35. President Paul '12 says:

    Ron Paul just found a vice-president.

  36. George Ralph says:

    Stay out of college, just look at the protestors, all brainwashed.
    Better to start working out of your garage, look at Steve Jobs & Michael Dell

  37. Bill Collins says:

    So many negative people especially the occupiers this young man has a great future ahead of him because he loves what he is doing not simply going to college to party with afterthoughts of paying back student loans and (ugh) finding a job!

  38. dtayls says:

    At least he seems to have placed the right order in life, putting God first. It shows he has a true understanding of his place on earth. It’s also the the most important point in this article.

  39. MainStreet says:

    Just lost my respect for you, Charles. YOU are in the minority. I have gained a lot of respect for Lucas.

  40. 1%Wannabe says:

    If I had that kind of talent I’d be a chartist on Wall St and make a few billion trading options. After banking the few billion I’d retire to a chalet in Switzerland and enjoy watching the lower orders destroy themselves from my mountain retreat.

    1. Christopher R. Baker says:

      “enjoy watching the lower orders destroy themselves from my mountain retreat.”

      You sound like you are as ruthless and evil as the people you imagine you want to emulate.

      Thank God, most wealthy people aren’t as you imagine. And thank God, that you are too dumb to ever become an evil wealthy power broker.

  41. crypticguise says:

    I sincerely hope that this boy has a wonderful and happy life. He is going to make everyone who knows him very proud. He is already a good person; God bless him.

  42. glenp says:

    I notice I never see “SHAQUITA” or “REMARCUS” in these prodigy stories

  43. good luck says:

    College in the U.S.A. will stamp that God notion out of this poor boy’s life before long.

  44. ben says:

    Atheists just can’t stand it when an extremely intelligent person believes in God.

    I guess they don’t have much respect for Isaac Newton or Galileo either, since they were devout Christians.

    Atheist = FAIL

    1. no says:

      You mean, Galileo, the person who was condemned to death by the Christian church for his science? Grow the F up.

  45. Bill Bull says:

    I don’t mean to take anything away from this kid, but it’s not as though this situation came about from just pure brilliance. There is more to the recipe, and many kids who could be like him never will.

    First, he obviously had parents who concentrated on teaching him all they could, as early as they could. I don’t care how smart you are, you don’t start reading at two unless someone spends time teaching you; and, you don’t find yourself reading college level books by five unless you live in a house where these sorts of things are being read and discussed already, so that they are available and you are motivated to be able to understand them. Also, it probably means that the TV wasn’t always tuned to nonsense like SpongeBob or Sesame Street, with the kid planted in front. Possibly it means there either was no TV, or it was usually off.

    The same can be said for his rapid advancement through the school system. Adults had to make it possible for him to be able to do this, by recognizing his ability and clearing the way for him to advance as quickly as his ability would allow. Quite often, this kind of ability is seen as a disruption, or largely ignored, but clearly someone–most likely his parents–acted as a dedicated advocate on his behalf, to allow him to advance more quickly than the system typically allows, or to get him into the proper schools, to teach him at home, etc.

    I am sure that this wonderful young man has put in a great deal of effort, and is every bit as smart as we are being told. As I said, I don’t want to take anything away from him. But it’s important to realize there are others like him who are never getting the chance to show us what they can do. They’re sitting in government schools with teachers who aren’t particularly bright or dedicated, who have nothing to offer them, and they’re getting bored and being suffocated and advancing at the same rate as everyone else. They’re wasting their time and learning habits of sloth and mischief.

    Their genius is being wasted.

    It’s happening all over the country, right now.

    1. jkim says:

      Absolutely right!! Why is it that in the early days of our country, young people like David Farragut often excelled at tasks that people in their 20’s never accomplish now? It is because they were not shackled by the low expectations of our “advanced” society.

      American young people, read DO HARD THINGS by Brett and Alex Harris (who were 18 when they published their book, by the way!) You are being crippled by the low expectations of our culture. You are capable of so much more than you think!

      This young man should be the norm. Instead, the losers in our culture try to make themselves feel better by calling him a freak.

      1. jimmo says:

        “the losers in our culture try to make themselves feel better by calling him a freak.”

        Not just losers, either. Jodie Foster is not exactly a loser, but she put out the poison Little Man Tate. And Matt Damon made Good Will Hunting. Some very capable successful people want other capable people to lose.

    2. jimmo says:

      Thank you for the best of all the comments on this article.

  46. David Moore says:

    This made my day – I am sure GOD has and is blessing this young man.
    Whatever is his destiny – If he follows the Holy spirit he will be in Gods hands

    1. no says:

      Yeah, why give the kid credit when you can attribute the credit to a magic elderly man floating around in the clouds.

      Compared to you, this kid is a rocking scientist.

      Also, why is the author of the article making a big deal of being able to read three letter words by the age of two? I was reading entire books by the age of two and three. It’s not at all uncommon.

  47. Barry B says:


    You have stumbled into a dynamic that ends up affecting many prodigies. Ask yourself this: What happens when a prodigy discovers that he/she is living under a microscope and the hunger for privacy sets in?

    I can add that when a prodigy becomes a privacy wonk it gets done very well indeed. The desire for privacy (or the rebellion vs. the lack of it) becomes more pronounced as we age. With prodigies this happens earleir than with most others. Some change their names and others move to distant countries – usually upon the time when such becomes affordable. Prodigies seeking earnings get it fast and the relationship of the prodigious mind towards monetary considerations can get very distorted.

    It is also a truism to note that prodigies are forced to live a lonely existence despite the microscopic attention from the researchers of the prodigy phenomena. Most people would not like this aspect of the lifestyle.

    You end up finding yourself trapped within a world of secrecy about yourself. In some cases one can end up living within a multiple of lies. Once you get past all of your earliest curiousities two things often happen. One is that an extreme form of boredom sets in. The other is the sense that you know too much.

    Being a prodigy can be seen, with some outcomes in evidence, as an affliction. Others near to you expect, and sometimes demand, more than you want to give. Also very troubling is that a prodigy can easily stumble into becoming an automatic lie detector, and you end up knowing how much of that happens all around you every day. .

    There are many other downsides attached to the prodigy existence. I truly suspect that these negatives can outweigh the positives.

    1. jkim says:

      Don’t pay any attention to Barry, Michael. Don’t pay any attention to the people who praise you or the people who object to you, either. Just do your work heartily, as unto the Lord. If you start worrying about what society thinks about you, you won’t be able to accomplish as much.

      Read C.S. Lewis’ “Inner Ring” article, available on the web. Then forget all about these losers and go for it! You’ll do great!

    2. KJ says:

      The ex-prodigies I know just blend in as adults. Concerning privacy, you should also consider the reverse. In every adult class and venue this kid will be thought of as an escapee from day care and treated as such. The prodigy has alot in common with the disabled adult trying to conform to physical and social structures built for larger fully abled people. They need the same accomodation as the wheelchair bound.

  48. Justathought says:

    Hopefully this kid will be able to get the same amount of social “education” as well. It’s great he is intellectually gifted but he’ll also need lots of face time with kids his own age or else he’ll grow up to have problems.

  49. SEK says:

    Here in Pittsburg Kansas we have a boy who started college at 10 years of age. He is now 12 and a college Junior. He is majoring in Biology and Music (piano). His dad is caucasian and his mom is Thai.

  50. Rick O'Shea says:

    Good for him, make the most of it as fast as you can. One thing for sure, there’s no affirmative action in the sciences, or if there is it doesn’t hold up long. Take Herman Cain, there’s no affirmative action for a mathematician.

    1. Christopher R. Baker says:

      Global Warming, oops I mean, Climate Change is a kind of affirmative action and religion invented by money grubbing politically oriented scientists that needed to find some kind of replacement for God. Because scientists that don’t believe that God orchestrated all the vastly interwoven complexities of nature must find man to be the blame for everything and therefore scientists are obligated to fix it , … with ever more funding.

  51. Jerzey Boy says:

    Just think what an easy job the Indoctrinate To OWN teachers/professors will have with this naive young man.

  52. JT says:

    Way to go! Love God with your all.

    Don’t ever let the Darwinists get you down.

  53. John Lindsay says:

    What ever happened to the genius kid from Oprah 10 years ago? Greg Smith? He went to Randolph Macon…. He wanted to cure cancer, be a biomechanical engineer, become President of the US, then Emperor of the World. This is where you get Dr. Evil.

  54. John Lindsay says:

    There are Episcopal, Anglican, Lutheran? Not only Catholic priests.

  55. alternet09 says:

    The occupiers must be outraged that this brilliant young man keeps all this knowledge to himself. He must share his brilliance with the less fortunate. He should not be able to succeed at the passiveness of others. There is a definite imbalance of knowledge among people that age and it must be equalized. HOMEWORK ON THE WEEKEND??? How dare he!

  56. irtnot2001 says:

    Fortunatety or unfortunately success in life is often not related to success iin school.

  57. higglytown says:

    I have a four year old, and trying to decide what life should be like for him. He is really young to make those decisions.

    The other day in preschool he turned to the teacher and said, “The leaves look nice now on the playground, but if we don’t rake them, they will start decaying and we will have a mess.”

    A few days later he said, “A bunch of pencils came up missing. But a student was apprehended with all of them in his bag on the way to the bus.”

    He came home last night and said, “Mom I am famished what is for dinner.”

    We do not know where he gets this stuff. He just counted to 102 for his teacher before he got bored and quit, and did his alphabet forward, and then backward for her.

    Do I want him at 11 to be headed off to college? Its a hard call as a parent of a four year old. He loves to learn. We now do a word of the day. He passed up his first grade sister in vocabulary and is teaching his 4th grade sister new words now.

    He does not have the manual dexterity above his age. He writes his name, and can do letters by tracing, but cannot freehand words on lines, or color or draw pictures in lines. Pretty normal that way. Just am impressed with the 11 year old and his parents and struggle with it myself.

  58. sout side of Chicago says:

    What wonderful news that he is considering the priesthood!!!

  59. wal man says:

    That boy is ruined. My kid can do college levlel work these days too but I wouldn’t send him. Socially he’d be out of place. Send the kid back to high school so he can have a normal life.

    1. jkim says:

      If the low expectations of American high school are what you call “normal life” then we really are in trouble.

      I prefer the “normal” of the likes of David Farragut, who was born in 1800, was a midshipman when he was 10, and commanded a captured vessel at age 12. Now that’s what I call “normal.”

      Why would you want to punish an outstanding young man by sending him to the American prison system known as “high school?”

      Read DO HARD THINGS by Brett and Alex Harris. You have been brainwashed by our dumbed down culture.

  60. BG says:

    Couple good comments here…most wrong though.

    The issue of social skills, I would be with the parents and adults talking, not kids. I was very capable of going into university as well instead of highschool and sought to, but my parents wouldn’t hear it…Instead i got a job(s) at 14 and funded my electronics and projects.

    Now what about getting some ‘amazing’ job after university? I believe most today are unable to get jobs out of university for several reasons….no experience, lack of maturity, and due to BS (im not talking bachelor of science…) degrees that hold no weight. Kids going to party in university and cruise through with the help of student loans on the bell curve is CHEAP no matter how much you pay for it. During highschool I became a personal trainer which helped me learn people skills (SALES). When I finally went to university I immediately started a completely different business which I ran successfully for 2 years (well into 6 figures profit) while kindof going to school to appease my parents. I figured out I never wanted to work for someone else and never ever ever want to rely on clients or customers or ANYONE BUT MYSELF for my lively hood. I quit BOTH school and dropped my business right there.

    I followed the money, so stock market…Hello leveraged instruments. No stocks, just commodities and futures. I started trading with the big boys; the geniuses and the cowboys – BOTH my type of people. This took 1 year to learn to break even before I could make real money, in now my second year at 21 years old. I am self tought, work from home, for myself, with my own money and learn every day how to be right, how to be wrong, and how to be humble.

    Someone said above in a comment that Lucas should become “a chartist on Wall St and make a few billion trading options”. Well my friends and I are ‘chartists’, which is simply studying and trading price action. I know many of my friends that are anywhere from 30-60 years old and worth in excess of 100million dollars. You dont need to work for someone on wallstreet…Im talking self made, self taught, self employed people with mostly introvert personalities…what some of you would say ‘lack’ social skills and ‘social life’, in your context anyways. You dont hear about these types of people unless you are in the business or are personal friends.

    And you don’t hear about people like Lucas when they grow up, why? Because they more often than not aren’t motivated by money. They focus on their art, whatever that may be, and lead quiet lives and full fill their curiosity. Many become someones workhorse as they do not have the skills to start their own business, or do they want to? I dont…its a pain, but so is working for someone in an office (where 99% of your degrees get you, if youre LUCKY!)

    So social skills, business skills, education, ‘grades’, ‘God’, protest wallstreet….whooo cares? Do what u want to do, support thoes around you who are chasing what they want for the rest of their life. But DONT BLINDLY support kids (1-30 year old) going to university for some job or some anything. That is the shortcut. and there are no shortcuts in this game.

  61. Daisy says:

    LOve the fact that Lucas Kramer includes the possibility of the Priesthood as a vocation. And that he’s morally mature enough to allow God to guide his choices – whatever they may be.

    Puts a lie to all the self proclaimed geniuses of the atheistic persuasion who love to claim that anyone knows God exists is stupid.

  62. dk says:

    a future scientist for area 51.

  63. Jim says:

    I remember being 11 and was not focused on homework or could care less about college. It wasn’t until age 12-13 I discovered computers and programming and that became my passion. 10 years later I got my computer science degree another 6 years I’m doing just fine. Kids should be encouraged to find something that drives them. He’ll go far some day.

  64. Phil says:

    Best wishes for this youngster!

    To the brilliant commentariat onthis article: If atheists are so smart, why do they have to keep pointing out how smart they are and how stupid people of faith must be? Sounds like an anger issue.

  65. jkim says:

    Don’t you just love it how the losers come out of the woodwork to object to someone like Lucas? You would think that Americans would be supportive but instead they are just jealous. They would all make good little Communists.

    Don’t pay any attention to them, Lucas. You are following in the footsteps of the men who made this country great. Ignore them and keep going!!

  66. Unemployed Joe says:

    The problem with you athiests is that you cannot fathom somebody of brillance believing in God. Interesting. Shallow minds cannot wrap their intellect with something greater than themselves. Choose the priesthood Lucas! 🙂

  67. Sunnyr says:

    Go Kramer!

    Best of luck in college. You will grow up to do great things! Don’t forget to have fun! 🙂

  68. Buhwhee says:

    He might be great at learning. I just hope he’s better at THINKING!

  69. Margaret says:

    He has a great understand of “God’s will” he should be a priest!

  70. Flannigan says:

    If he is truely intelligent, then he will see through all that religion CR@P

  71. Joe k says:

    Where did he attend high school? Just wondering if his learning environment played any part towards his curiosity, like what his parents were like or if he actually was home-schooled.

  72. Snap says:

    Poor kid, the university crowd will turn him into an illiterate dependant before he’s out of his teens

  73. cisconchip says:

    atheists–u are the ones who are against the scientific method because u have closed one avenue of investigation –u have closed your mind—and lucas hopefully you are on tract to realize that solar is the answer may you become a fusion scientist–unlimited power 4 all

  74. Peter says:

    What a great kid. Here’s hoping he never loses his curiosity.

  75. Fourthelvofmusic says:

    I can honestly say I affiliate with no political party, do not attend a church or religious gathering and have always been proud of my ability to analyze and objectively discern the ebb and flow of a debate such as this and see the right and wrong of those intellectually sparring. I am one of those, once gifted as a child. I share this with you. I was never encouraged to seek religion, moral clarity or even self worth. I spent 40 years of my life as an adult “living life to the fullest” as quoted in a previous post. I drank until the age of 19, gave it up when blood was coming up in my vomitus, starting have sex when I was 11 and continued this with an un-remembered number of women, shot people, cut people, and most unfortunate, really caused emotional hurt to many. I have earned several million dollars. (I didnt just float away like a “puff” of smoke) This is the life you can fall into as a gifted child with more intellect than your parents, teachers and professors and more curiosity than your years can manage, if you don’t have proper guidance or someone intelligent enough to care. It took 40 years for me, the “super-brain”, to become smart enough to understand that there is “something” bigger than myself. All my years of atheism gave me nothing. Not until I stood in a desert in the Middle East did I come to understand that there is truly a creator/good entity and the opposite evil entity. To meet a 16 year old girl who had her vagina cauterized because her vail blew from her face in public, to watch the video of women and children being fed into a woodchipper while still alive, I then became wise. Any of you who believe that you will one day just be a bag of bones in the ground are probably already there in your heart and soul. Wisdom is more than grabbing every apple on the tree, it is selecting the fruit and learning to cherish it, both spiritually and psychologically. I find it striking the number of insults coming from those who seem to be the progressive and enlightened in this debate, it seems your fruit has already begun to rot as mine did at an early age. Now these many years later, I look back with regret that I did not have the wisdom of Lucas’ parents to guide my life and I continue to make amends. To call those names who do not believe in your theory of NO divine Being, God, Budha, Allah etc.. truly shows what little wisdom you have. I lived your hollow life to an extent you can only dream of and it became my nightmare. Espouse your belief and though your mind may justify it, your heart, given to you by a creator, will always know your lies. May the “God” that Lucas refers to keep him close and may this same God continue to guide his parents on a path which will allow Lucas “wisdom” some of us have learned the hard way. Bless you my boy!

  76. Walt Mitchell says:

    Wow, this kid could read three letter words at 2 and the VP of the US thought that the word JOBS has three letters. Can we make this kid VP instead of the m0r0n we currently have?

  77. Chris says:

    Now, this certainly is a smart young man, putting GOD FIRST in his life. This young man is already a success ! God bless you young man !

    1. Bill Vernon says:

      Why should one put God first him his or her life? As near as I can tell, if God exists, he hates us.

  78. Russ says:

    Would have liked to hear some objective quantification of his intelligence (i.e., SAT, ACT scores, IQ scores). Also, I would have liked to see a little bit of thought put into whether he is emotionally prepared for such an early academic career. Does he seem mature for his age? Finally, as great as this is, I can’t imagine this boy had much of a childhood. How much of this was Mom and Dad shoving it down his throat (like some poor children in beauty pageants) and how much of it was just an insatiable curiosity? Not the most well thought out journalism.

    1. jkim says:

      Oh, brother, how can you STAND being you? What does it matter to you what all the answers to these questions are? You sound….jealous! You should read “Harrison Bergeron,” a short story by Kurt Vonnegut available on the web. “The year was 2018 and everyone was finally equal.” You people won’t be happy until EVERYONE is as mediocre as you are.

  79. rjm2238 says:

    I submitted a comment 3+ hours ago and it has not appeared nor can I resubmit as it says ” you already said that, duplicate…”.
    Does the delay between comment submission and display normally run over three to four hours or am I being censored?
    Anyone have any experience with this?
    Rich in New Mexico.

    1. rjm2238 says:

      I have just rec’d my answer, this posted immediately, I am being censored and the disturbing thing is that it is occurring without explanation.
      Why the lack of diversity of opinion here, what are you folks afraid of? This is to me, serious business and I would like a response from the censors, you have my e-mail and I anxiously await your reply.
      Rich in New Mexico.

  80. Future Not Always Bright says:

    The youngest ‘prodigy’ U of M ever had was Loeb. Of “Leopold and Loeb” infamy.

  81. Kevin says:

    I have 1 question for this genius child, ” What is GOD’s name? “

    1. JeddMcHead says:

      That’s it? That’s you’re 1 question for the genius child? Did you think that one up on your own or did you have help?

      If you wanted to prove that YOU are no genius then, congratulations, Kevin, you have succeeded.

      What a maroon!

      1. kevin says:

        what a maroon….?
        Your spelling and grammar show you only to be the MORON !
        btw..what is GOD’s name??

  82. JeddMcHead says:

    Yo, kid — do NOT settle on “being a priest” until you’ve entered PUBERTY! I mean, seriously, that could be a game changer. Just sayin’.

  83. Jethro says:

    I, too, have had a hard time deciding what I should be but I’ve narrowed it down to two choices: brain surgeon or streetcar conductor.

  84. David says:

    I thought liberals accepted everyone. This boy is obviously a very smart young man. Probably smarter than any person on this board… He makes one statement about his faith, and many of you write him off–why? Because he doesn’t believe what you believe in? You can’t not believe in something, as some of you claim. You, in fact, believe that you are the result of a cosmic accident: a chemical reaction with no real purpose. This young man believes he has a God-given purpose and wants to use that in a positive way. What is wrong with that? Again, just becuase he doesn’t subscribe to your belief system, you write him off! And you call Christians zealots? Bigots? HA!

  85. cliff says:

    if he is so smart, then why doesn’t he question the existence of God?

  86. ATC says:

    this is what the internet is all about. all day long the only news that gets reported on is bad news. When something truly happy and newsworthy occurs, the heartwarming tail of a brilliant child is turned into a flame war about occupy wall st and religion. Perhaps America and the rest of the world do not deserve to be saved

  87. wow, awesome article post.Really thank you! Great.

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